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John H. wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 14:48:33 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: HK wrote: wrote: And quite frankly, his post about building dinghys and such in his dad's shops does not square with the impressions he has given in the past. I tend to doubt he has ever built a boat.... But that is just my opinion based on things he has said that would somewhat exclude him for a group of folks who I think understand construction and implementation of the tool... beyond what he has read. I also suspect he was typical dock rat, hanging around his dad's marina hoping to pick up some of the leftovers from the boarders...;) Anyone remember those little assh**es? We built dinghies that looked very much like yours, and rowboats that were somewhat more stout. Sold them for a couple of hundred dollars to boaters who wanted something cheap to use to row from the marina dock out to their mooring. We had a very small assembly line out in a metal storage shed. The frames were cut out, and then the hullsides, bottoms, et cetera, were cut using patterns out of sheets of marine ply. It wasn't rocket science then, and it certainly isn't now. Those who wanted a tow-behind dink usually ended up buying one of Dyer's offerings, not a plywood tippydoodle. If the buyer wanted a more robust rowboat, Dad had factory-made dories and rowboats that were suitable. There isn't a boat you built on your website I would have taken out of a small cove on Long Island Sound, unless, of course, I had a death wish. My father didn't allow liveaboarders at his marina. Couple of nights, a long weekend, fine. No longer. In those days, everyone seemed to appreciate that. There weren't many rules at the marina, but the ones there were were posted and enforced. As I said, he did it bigger and better. Yeah, but he does have a loyal following here, you know Just because someone does not confront someone, does not mean they agree or believe what they say. Some people prefer to ignore negative behavior. |
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On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 16:16:34 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is
Here wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 14:48:33 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: HK wrote: wrote: And quite frankly, his post about building dinghys and such in his dad's shops does not square with the impressions he has given in the past. I tend to doubt he has ever built a boat.... But that is just my opinion based on things he has said that would somewhat exclude him for a group of folks who I think understand construction and implementation of the tool... beyond what he has read. I also suspect he was typical dock rat, hanging around his dad's marina hoping to pick up some of the leftovers from the boarders...;) Anyone remember those little assh**es? We built dinghies that looked very much like yours, and rowboats that were somewhat more stout. Sold them for a couple of hundred dollars to boaters who wanted something cheap to use to row from the marina dock out to their mooring. We had a very small assembly line out in a metal storage shed. The frames were cut out, and then the hullsides, bottoms, et cetera, were cut using patterns out of sheets of marine ply. It wasn't rocket science then, and it certainly isn't now. Those who wanted a tow-behind dink usually ended up buying one of Dyer's offerings, not a plywood tippydoodle. If the buyer wanted a more robust rowboat, Dad had factory-made dories and rowboats that were suitable. There isn't a boat you built on your website I would have taken out of a small cove on Long Island Sound, unless, of course, I had a death wish. My father didn't allow liveaboarders at his marina. Couple of nights, a long weekend, fine. No longer. In those days, everyone seemed to appreciate that. There weren't many rules at the marina, but the ones there were were posted and enforced. As I said, he did it bigger and better. Yeah, but he does have a loyal following here, you know Just because someone does not confront someone, does not mean they agree or believe what they say. Some people prefer to ignore negative behavior. I said 'following'. But you're correct, some people prefer to ignore negative behavior. From what I hear, it happens a lot on the New York subways. But every now and then someone will take a stand. -- John H |
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On Jan 5, 12:05 pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 11:50:24 -0500, HK wrote: We built dinghies that looked very much like yours, and rowboats that were somewhat more stout. How many did you actually build by yourself ? I'm guessing zero. In a word Harry, you know just about zip with regards to boat building, and you have incredible gall denigrating the skills of others. Get a life. Well, probably a little off. In the 50's you could get a locally built boat like a Brockway, say 16 to 20 feet for a few hundred dollars, Dynamite Payson sold prams up in Maine for probably 50-75 dollars... Of course, I was only born in 58 so I am taking it from the old salts that I have run into over the years.. He's not even right about okoume. It is a relatively weak wood, and subject to rot. It's use in kit boats came about because the world supply of real mahogany, a stronger, more rot-resistant wood, got tight and the resulting marine mahogany ply, became much too expensive and scarce for boatbuilders. What's really sad is that many purveyors of okoume claim the product they are selling is mahogany ply, but it ain't. I'm pretty sure my dad spec'd 3/8" thick *mahogany* marine ply on the small boats the shop turned out. He used cedar, too. No "sewn together" boats, either. The boats the shop fiberglassed were built with different "skins." Here's a reference you might like...the Stur-Dee dory site. My father did business with the founder and owner, Ernie Gavin, for at least 25 years. If you look on the "history" page, you'll see a reference to 16-foot dories Stur-Dee built and sold in the mid 1950s for $195: http://www.stur-deeboat.com/history.htm "The atmosphere at Stur-Dee speaks of the 1950s. In the once, there is no computer, fax machine or push-button phone. Ernie Gavin believes a rotary phone and the postal service are sufficient means of communicating. Shelves are filled with dusty books on such subjects as history and evolution – Gavin is a voracious reader. Logbooks with transactions dating back to 1954 also can be found on the shelves. "Gavin grabbed the 1964 edition, blew a thick layer of dust off it and turned to a page filled with scribbled notes that only he could decipher. One transaction, the sale of a 16-foot dory was for $195." And, because it bears repeating, once again, the misinformation from WhineB: "No one in the 50s or 60s could afford to build a wooden boat bigger than 7 ft for $200, even using the cheapest materials. Nowadays a sheet of good Okume sells for $200, and fyi, Okume is about as good as it gets for marine plywood. It is light, strong and highly rot resistant. Many racing hydroplanes have been built from it, and other lightweight high performance boats." Have a nice day. -- George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever! |
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Whatever you say Harry....
--Mike "HK" wrote in message ... wrote: On Jan 5, 12:05 pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 11:50:24 -0500, HK wrote: We built dinghies that looked very much like yours, and rowboats that were somewhat more stout. How many did you actually build by yourself ? I'm guessing zero. In a word Harry, you know just about zip with regards to boat building, and you have incredible gall denigrating the skills of others. Get a life. Well, probably a little off. In the 50's you could get a locally built boat like a Brockway, say 16 to 20 feet for a few hundred dollars, Dynamite Payson sold prams up in Maine for probably 50-75 dollars... Of course, I was only born in 58 so I am taking it from the old salts that I have run into over the years.. He's not even right about okoume. It is a relatively weak wood, and subject to rot. It's use in kit boats came about because the world supply of real mahogany, a stronger, more rot-resistant wood, got tight and the resulting marine mahogany ply, became much too expensive and scarce for boatbuilders. What's really sad is that many purveyors of okoume claim the product they are selling is mahogany ply, but it ain't. I'm pretty sure my dad spec'd 3/8" thick *mahogany* marine ply on the small boats the shop turned out. He used cedar, too. No "sewn together" boats, either. The boats the shop fiberglassed were built with different "skins." Here's a reference you might like...the Stur-Dee dory site. My father did business with the founder and owner, Ernie Gavin, for at least 25 years. If you look on the "history" page, you'll see a reference to 16-foot dories Stur-Dee built and sold in the mid 1950s for $195: http://www.stur-deeboat.com/history.htm "The atmosphere at Stur-Dee speaks of the 1950s. In the once, there is no computer, fax machine or push-button phone. Ernie Gavin believes a rotary phone and the postal service are sufficient means of communicating. Shelves are filled with dusty books on such subjects as history and evolution – Gavin is a voracious reader. Logbooks with transactions dating back to 1954 also can be found on the shelves. "Gavin grabbed the 1964 edition, blew a thick layer of dust off it and turned to a page filled with scribbled notes that only he could decipher. One transaction, the sale of a 16-foot dory was for $195." And, because it bears repeating, once again, the misinformation from WhineB: "No one in the 50s or 60s could afford to build a wooden boat bigger than 7 ft for $200, even using the cheapest materials. Nowadays a sheet of good Okume sells for $200, and fyi, Okume is about as good as it gets for marine plywood. It is light, strong and highly rot resistant. Many racing hydroplanes have been built from it, and other lightweight high performance boats." Have a nice day. -- George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever! |
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"HK" wrote in message ... wrote: On Jan 5, 12:05 pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 11:50:24 -0500, HK wrote: We built dinghies that looked very much like yours, and rowboats that were somewhat more stout. How many did you actually build by yourself ? I'm guessing zero. In a word Harry, you know just about zip with regards to boat building, and you have incredible gall denigrating the skills of others. Get a life. Well, probably a little off. In the 50's you could get a locally built boat like a Brockway, say 16 to 20 feet for a few hundred dollars, Dynamite Payson sold prams up in Maine for probably 50-75 dollars... Of course, I was only born in 58 so I am taking it from the old salts that I have run into over the years.. He's not even right about okoume. It is a relatively weak wood, and subject to rot. It's use in kit boats came about because the world supply of real mahogany, a stronger, more rot-resistant wood, got tight and the resulting marine mahogany ply, became much too expensive and scarce for boatbuilders. What's really sad is that many purveyors of okoume claim the product they are selling is mahogany ply, but it ain't. I'm pretty sure my dad spec'd 3/8" thick *mahogany* marine ply on the small boats the shop turned out. He used cedar, too. No "sewn together" boats, either. The boats the shop fiberglassed were built with different "skins." Here's a reference you might like...the Stur-Dee dory site. My father did business with the founder and owner, Ernie Gavin, for at least 25 years. If you look on the "history" page, you'll see a reference to 16-foot dories Stur-Dee built and sold in the mid 1950s for $195: http://www.stur-deeboat.com/history.htm "The atmosphere at Stur-Dee speaks of the 1950s. In the once, there is no computer, fax machine or push-button phone. Ernie Gavin believes a rotary phone and the postal service are sufficient means of communicating. Shelves are filled with dusty books on such subjects as history and evolution – Gavin is a voracious reader. Logbooks with transactions dating back to 1954 also can be found on the shelves. "Gavin grabbed the 1964 edition, blew a thick layer of dust off it and turned to a page filled with scribbled notes that only he could decipher. One transaction, the sale of a 16-foot dory was for $195." And, because it bears repeating, once again, the misinformation from WhineB: "No one in the 50s or 60s could afford to build a wooden boat bigger than 7 ft for $200, even using the cheapest materials. Nowadays a sheet of good Okume sells for $200, and fyi, Okume is about as good as it gets for marine plywood. It is light, strong and highly rot resistant. Many racing hydroplanes have been built from it, and other lightweight high performance boats." Have a nice day. Up to 7 or 8 years ago a local guy out on the Bedford Highway advertised 8' plywood prams for $245.00. |
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Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... wrote: On Jan 5, 12:05 pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 11:50:24 -0500, HK wrote: We built dinghies that looked very much like yours, and rowboats that were somewhat more stout. How many did you actually build by yourself ? I'm guessing zero. In a word Harry, you know just about zip with regards to boat building, and you have incredible gall denigrating the skills of others. Get a life. Well, probably a little off. In the 50's you could get a locally built boat like a Brockway, say 16 to 20 feet for a few hundred dollars, Dynamite Payson sold prams up in Maine for probably 50-75 dollars... Of course, I was only born in 58 so I am taking it from the old salts that I have run into over the years.. He's not even right about okoume. It is a relatively weak wood, and subject to rot. It's use in kit boats came about because the world supply of real mahogany, a stronger, more rot-resistant wood, got tight and the resulting marine mahogany ply, became much too expensive and scarce for boatbuilders. What's really sad is that many purveyors of okoume claim the product they are selling is mahogany ply, but it ain't. I'm pretty sure my dad spec'd 3/8" thick *mahogany* marine ply on the small boats the shop turned out. He used cedar, too. No "sewn together" boats, either. The boats the shop fiberglassed were built with different "skins." Here's a reference you might like...the Stur-Dee dory site. My father did business with the founder and owner, Ernie Gavin, for at least 25 years. If you look on the "history" page, you'll see a reference to 16-foot dories Stur-Dee built and sold in the mid 1950s for $195: http://www.stur-deeboat.com/history.htm "The atmosphere at Stur-Dee speaks of the 1950s. In the once, there is no computer, fax machine or push-button phone. Ernie Gavin believes a rotary phone and the postal service are sufficient means of communicating. Shelves are filled with dusty books on such subjects as history and evolution – Gavin is a voracious reader. Logbooks with transactions dating back to 1954 also can be found on the shelves. "Gavin grabbed the 1964 edition, blew a thick layer of dust off it and turned to a page filled with scribbled notes that only he could decipher. One transaction, the sale of a 16-foot dory was for $195." And, because it bears repeating, once again, the misinformation from WhineB: "No one in the 50s or 60s could afford to build a wooden boat bigger than 7 ft for $200, even using the cheapest materials. Nowadays a sheet of good Okume sells for $200, and fyi, Okume is about as good as it gets for marine plywood. It is light, strong and highly rot resistant. Many racing hydroplanes have been built from it, and other lightweight high performance boats." Have a nice day. Up to 7 or 8 years ago a local guy out on the Bedford Highway advertised 8' plywood prams for $245.00. Yeah. Don't tell Wayne. He won't believe it, because it doesn't fit into his mindset. |
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"HK" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... wrote: On Jan 5, 12:05 pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 11:50:24 -0500, HK wrote: We built dinghies that looked very much like yours, and rowboats that were somewhat more stout. How many did you actually build by yourself ? I'm guessing zero. In a word Harry, you know just about zip with regards to boat building, and you have incredible gall denigrating the skills of others. Get a life. Well, probably a little off. In the 50's you could get a locally built boat like a Brockway, say 16 to 20 feet for a few hundred dollars, Dynamite Payson sold prams up in Maine for probably 50-75 dollars... Of course, I was only born in 58 so I am taking it from the old salts that I have run into over the years.. He's not even right about okoume. It is a relatively weak wood, and subject to rot. It's use in kit boats came about because the world supply of real mahogany, a stronger, more rot-resistant wood, got tight and the resulting marine mahogany ply, became much too expensive and scarce for boatbuilders. What's really sad is that many purveyors of okoume claim the product they are selling is mahogany ply, but it ain't. I'm pretty sure my dad spec'd 3/8" thick *mahogany* marine ply on the small boats the shop turned out. He used cedar, too. No "sewn together" boats, either. The boats the shop fiberglassed were built with different "skins." Here's a reference you might like...the Stur-Dee dory site. My father did business with the founder and owner, Ernie Gavin, for at least 25 years. If you look on the "history" page, you'll see a reference to 16-foot dories Stur-Dee built and sold in the mid 1950s for $195: http://www.stur-deeboat.com/history.htm "The atmosphere at Stur-Dee speaks of the 1950s. In the once, there is no computer, fax machine or push-button phone. Ernie Gavin believes a rotary phone and the postal service are sufficient means of communicating. Shelves are filled with dusty books on such subjects as history and evolution – Gavin is a voracious reader. Logbooks with transactions dating back to 1954 also can be found on the shelves. "Gavin grabbed the 1964 edition, blew a thick layer of dust off it and turned to a page filled with scribbled notes that only he could decipher. One transaction, the sale of a 16-foot dory was for $195." And, because it bears repeating, once again, the misinformation from WhineB: "No one in the 50s or 60s could afford to build a wooden boat bigger than 7 ft for $200, even using the cheapest materials. Nowadays a sheet of good Okume sells for $200, and fyi, Okume is about as good as it gets for marine plywood. It is light, strong and highly rot resistant. Many racing hydroplanes have been built from it, and other lightweight high performance boats." Have a nice day. Up to 7 or 8 years ago a local guy out on the Bedford Highway advertised 8' plywood prams for $245.00. Yeah. Don't tell Wayne. He won't believe it, because it doesn't fit into his mindset. Can't be much of a boat. OR he is not charging for labor. A couple of good sheets of plywood is going to get most of a $100 bill, and that may not even be Marine grade. |
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Calif Bill wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... wrote: On Jan 5, 12:05 pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 11:50:24 -0500, HK wrote: We built dinghies that looked very much like yours, and rowboats that were somewhat more stout. How many did you actually build by yourself ? I'm guessing zero. In a word Harry, you know just about zip with regards to boat building, and you have incredible gall denigrating the skills of others. Get a life. Well, probably a little off. In the 50's you could get a locally built boat like a Brockway, say 16 to 20 feet for a few hundred dollars, Dynamite Payson sold prams up in Maine for probably 50-75 dollars... Of course, I was only born in 58 so I am taking it from the old salts that I have run into over the years.. He's not even right about okoume. It is a relatively weak wood, and subject to rot. It's use in kit boats came about because the world supply of real mahogany, a stronger, more rot-resistant wood, got tight and the resulting marine mahogany ply, became much too expensive and scarce for boatbuilders. What's really sad is that many purveyors of okoume claim the product they are selling is mahogany ply, but it ain't. I'm pretty sure my dad spec'd 3/8" thick *mahogany* marine ply on the small boats the shop turned out. He used cedar, too. No "sewn together" boats, either. The boats the shop fiberglassed were built with different "skins." Here's a reference you might like...the Stur-Dee dory site. My father did business with the founder and owner, Ernie Gavin, for at least 25 years. If you look on the "history" page, you'll see a reference to 16-foot dories Stur-Dee built and sold in the mid 1950s for $195: http://www.stur-deeboat.com/history.htm "The atmosphere at Stur-Dee speaks of the 1950s. In the once, there is no computer, fax machine or push-button phone. Ernie Gavin believes a rotary phone and the postal service are sufficient means of communicating. Shelves are filled with dusty books on such subjects as history and evolution – Gavin is a voracious reader. Logbooks with transactions dating back to 1954 also can be found on the shelves. "Gavin grabbed the 1964 edition, blew a thick layer of dust off it and turned to a page filled with scribbled notes that only he could decipher. One transaction, the sale of a 16-foot dory was for $195." And, because it bears repeating, once again, the misinformation from WhineB: "No one in the 50s or 60s could afford to build a wooden boat bigger than 7 ft for $200, even using the cheapest materials. Nowadays a sheet of good Okume sells for $200, and fyi, Okume is about as good as it gets for marine plywood. It is light, strong and highly rot resistant. Many racing hydroplanes have been built from it, and other lightweight high performance boats." Have a nice day. Up to 7 or 8 years ago a local guy out on the Bedford Highway advertised 8' plywood prams for $245.00. Yeah. Don't tell Wayne. He won't believe it, because it doesn't fit into his mindset. Can't be much of a boat. OR he is not charging for labor. A couple of good sheets of plywood is going to get most of a $100 bill, and that may not even be Marine grade. You did notice Don said "7 or 8 years ago," right? |
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John H. wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 11:50:24 -0500, HK wrote: wrote: And quite frankly, his post about building dinghys and such in his dad's shops does not square with the impressions he has given in the past. I tend to doubt he has ever built a boat.... But that is just my opinion based on things he has said that would somewhat exclude him for a group of folks who I think understand construction and implementation of the tool... beyond what he has read. I also suspect he was typical dock rat, hanging around his dad's marina hoping to pick up some of the leftovers from the boarders...;) Anyone remember those little assh**es? We built dinghies that looked very much like yours, and rowboats that were somewhat more stout. Sold them for a couple of hundred dollars to boaters who wanted something cheap to use to row from the marina dock out to their mooring. We had a very small assembly line out in a metal storage shed. The frames were cut out, and then the hullsides, bottoms, et cetera, were cut using patterns out of sheets of marine ply. It wasn't rocket science then, and it certainly isn't now. Those who wanted a tow-behind dink usually ended up buying one of Dyer's offerings, not a plywood tippydoodle. If the buyer wanted a more robust rowboat, Dad had factory-made dories and rowboats that were suitable. There isn't a boat you built on your website I would have taken out of a small cove on Long Island Sound, unless, of course, I had a death wish. My father didn't allow liveaboarders at his marina. Couple of nights, a long weekend, fine. No longer. In those days, everyone seemed to appreciate that. There weren't many rules at the marina, but the ones there were were posted and enforced. You know, Harry. I believe you have a wife. I believe you have a boat. I believe you feed wild animals. Much beyond that and your credibility just goes out the window. You've just lied yourself into the corner too many times. He'll never admit that. His affliction prevents that. You should know that by now, John! |
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Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... wrote: On Jan 5, 12:05 pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 11:50:24 -0500, HK wrote: We built dinghies that looked very much like yours, and rowboats that were somewhat more stout. How many did you actually build by yourself ? I'm guessing zero. In a word Harry, you know just about zip with regards to boat building, and you have incredible gall denigrating the skills of others. Get a life. Well, probably a little off. In the 50's you could get a locally built boat like a Brockway, say 16 to 20 feet for a few hundred dollars, Dynamite Payson sold prams up in Maine for probably 50-75 dollars... Of course, I was only born in 58 so I am taking it from the old salts that I have run into over the years.. He's not even right about okoume. It is a relatively weak wood, and subject to rot. It's use in kit boats came about because the world supply of real mahogany, a stronger, more rot-resistant wood, got tight and the resulting marine mahogany ply, became much too expensive and scarce for boatbuilders. What's really sad is that many purveyors of okoume claim the product they are selling is mahogany ply, but it ain't. I'm pretty sure my dad spec'd 3/8" thick *mahogany* marine ply on the small boats the shop turned out. He used cedar, too. No "sewn together" boats, either. The boats the shop fiberglassed were built with different "skins." Here's a reference you might like...the Stur-Dee dory site. My father did business with the founder and owner, Ernie Gavin, for at least 25 years. If you look on the "history" page, you'll see a reference to 16-foot dories Stur-Dee built and sold in the mid 1950s for $195: http://www.stur-deeboat.com/history.htm "The atmosphere at Stur-Dee speaks of the 1950s. In the once, there is no computer, fax machine or push-button phone. Ernie Gavin believes a rotary phone and the postal service are sufficient means of communicating. Shelves are filled with dusty books on such subjects as history and evolution – Gavin is a voracious reader. Logbooks with transactions dating back to 1954 also can be found on the shelves. "Gavin grabbed the 1964 edition, blew a thick layer of dust off it and turned to a page filled with scribbled notes that only he could decipher. One transaction, the sale of a 16-foot dory was for $195." And, because it bears repeating, once again, the misinformation from WhineB: "No one in the 50s or 60s could afford to build a wooden boat bigger than 7 ft for $200, even using the cheapest materials. Nowadays a sheet of good Okume sells for $200, and fyi, Okume is about as good as it gets for marine plywood. It is light, strong and highly rot resistant. Many racing hydroplanes have been built from it, and other lightweight high performance boats." Have a nice day. Up to 7 or 8 years ago a local guy out on the Bedford Highway advertised 8' plywood prams for $245.00. Wow! That's exciting! Go wipe your son's ass now, Donnie. |
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"HK" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... wrote: On Jan 5, 12:05 pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 11:50:24 -0500, HK wrote: We built dinghies that looked very much like yours, and rowboats that were somewhat more stout. How many did you actually build by yourself ? I'm guessing zero. In a word Harry, you know just about zip with regards to boat building, and you have incredible gall denigrating the skills of others. Get a life. Well, probably a little off. In the 50's you could get a locally built boat like a Brockway, say 16 to 20 feet for a few hundred dollars, Dynamite Payson sold prams up in Maine for probably 50-75 dollars... Of course, I was only born in 58 so I am taking it from the old salts that I have run into over the years.. He's not even right about okoume. It is a relatively weak wood, and subject to rot. It's use in kit boats came about because the world supply of real mahogany, a stronger, more rot-resistant wood, got tight and the resulting marine mahogany ply, became much too expensive and scarce for boatbuilders. What's really sad is that many purveyors of okoume claim the product they are selling is mahogany ply, but it ain't. I'm pretty sure my dad spec'd 3/8" thick *mahogany* marine ply on the small boats the shop turned out. He used cedar, too. No "sewn together" boats, either. The boats the shop fiberglassed were built with different "skins." Here's a reference you might like...the Stur-Dee dory site. My father did business with the founder and owner, Ernie Gavin, for at least 25 years. If you look on the "history" page, you'll see a reference to 16-foot dories Stur-Dee built and sold in the mid 1950s for $195: http://www.stur-deeboat.com/history.htm "The atmosphere at Stur-Dee speaks of the 1950s. In the once, there is no computer, fax machine or push-button phone. Ernie Gavin believes a rotary phone and the postal service are sufficient means of communicating. Shelves are filled with dusty books on such subjects as history and evolution – Gavin is a voracious reader. Logbooks with transactions dating back to 1954 also can be found on the shelves. "Gavin grabbed the 1964 edition, blew a thick layer of dust off it and turned to a page filled with scribbled notes that only he could decipher. One transaction, the sale of a 16-foot dory was for $195." And, because it bears repeating, once again, the misinformation from WhineB: "No one in the 50s or 60s could afford to build a wooden boat bigger than 7 ft for $200, even using the cheapest materials. Nowadays a sheet of good Okume sells for $200, and fyi, Okume is about as good as it gets for marine plywood. It is light, strong and highly rot resistant. Many racing hydroplanes have been built from it, and other lightweight high performance boats." Have a nice day. Up to 7 or 8 years ago a local guy out on the Bedford Highway advertised 8' plywood prams for $245.00. Yeah. Don't tell Wayne. He won't believe it, because it doesn't fit into his mindset. Can't be much of a boat. OR he is not charging for labor. A couple of good sheets of plywood is going to get most of a $100 bill, and that may not even be Marine grade. You did notice Don said "7 or 8 years ago," right? Did not notice. But plywood then cost 3 sheets for a boat buck. 5-6 years ago, when I bought my Kayak, was 10 boat bucks. And less labor involved. |
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message ... "HK" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... wrote: On Jan 5, 12:05 pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 11:50:24 -0500, HK wrote: We built dinghies that looked very much like yours, and rowboats that were somewhat more stout. How many did you actually build by yourself ? I'm guessing zero. In a word Harry, you know just about zip with regards to boat building, and you have incredible gall denigrating the skills of others. Get a life. Well, probably a little off. In the 50's you could get a locally built boat like a Brockway, say 16 to 20 feet for a few hundred dollars, Dynamite Payson sold prams up in Maine for probably 50-75 dollars... Of course, I was only born in 58 so I am taking it from the old salts that I have run into over the years.. He's not even right about okoume. It is a relatively weak wood, and subject to rot. It's use in kit boats came about because the world supply of real mahogany, a stronger, more rot-resistant wood, got tight and the resulting marine mahogany ply, became much too expensive and scarce for boatbuilders. What's really sad is that many purveyors of okoume claim the product they are selling is mahogany ply, but it ain't. I'm pretty sure my dad spec'd 3/8" thick *mahogany* marine ply on the small boats the shop turned out. He used cedar, too. No "sewn together" boats, either. The boats the shop fiberglassed were built with different "skins." Here's a reference you might like...the Stur-Dee dory site. My father did business with the founder and owner, Ernie Gavin, for at least 25 years. If you look on the "history" page, you'll see a reference to 16-foot dories Stur-Dee built and sold in the mid 1950s for $195: http://www.stur-deeboat.com/history.htm "The atmosphere at Stur-Dee speaks of the 1950s. In the once, there is no computer, fax machine or push-button phone. Ernie Gavin believes a rotary phone and the postal service are sufficient means of communicating. Shelves are filled with dusty books on such subjects as history and evolution - Gavin is a voracious reader. Logbooks with transactions dating back to 1954 also can be found on the shelves. "Gavin grabbed the 1964 edition, blew a thick layer of dust off it and turned to a page filled with scribbled notes that only he could decipher. One transaction, the sale of a 16-foot dory was for $195." And, because it bears repeating, once again, the misinformation from WhineB: "No one in the 50s or 60s could afford to build a wooden boat bigger than 7 ft for $200, even using the cheapest materials. Nowadays a sheet of good Okume sells for $200, and fyi, Okume is about as good as it gets for marine plywood. It is light, strong and highly rot resistant. Many racing hydroplanes have been built from it, and other lightweight high performance boats." Have a nice day. Up to 7 or 8 years ago a local guy out on the Bedford Highway advertised 8' plywood prams for $245.00. Yeah. Don't tell Wayne. He won't believe it, because it doesn't fit into his mindset. Can't be much of a boat. OR he is not charging for labor. A couple of good sheets of plywood is going to get most of a $100 bill, and that may not even be Marine grade. I'd guess 3/8" spruce exterior good one side. At that time less than $20.00 per 4' x 8' sheet up here. |
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"Dan" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... wrote: On Jan 5, 12:05 pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 11:50:24 -0500, HK wrote: We built dinghies that looked very much like yours, and rowboats that were somewhat more stout. How many did you actually build by yourself ? I'm guessing zero. In a word Harry, you know just about zip with regards to boat building, and you have incredible gall denigrating the skills of others. Get a life. Well, probably a little off. In the 50's you could get a locally built boat like a Brockway, say 16 to 20 feet for a few hundred dollars, Dynamite Payson sold prams up in Maine for probably 50-75 dollars... Of course, I was only born in 58 so I am taking it from the old salts that I have run into over the years.. He's not even right about okoume. It is a relatively weak wood, and subject to rot. It's use in kit boats came about because the world supply of real mahogany, a stronger, more rot-resistant wood, got tight and the resulting marine mahogany ply, became much too expensive and scarce for boatbuilders. What's really sad is that many purveyors of okoume claim the product they are selling is mahogany ply, but it ain't. I'm pretty sure my dad spec'd 3/8" thick *mahogany* marine ply on the small boats the shop turned out. He used cedar, too. No "sewn together" boats, either. The boats the shop fiberglassed were built with different "skins." Here's a reference you might like...the Stur-Dee dory site. My father did business with the founder and owner, Ernie Gavin, for at least 25 years. If you look on the "history" page, you'll see a reference to 16-foot dories Stur-Dee built and sold in the mid 1950s for $195: http://www.stur-deeboat.com/history.htm "The atmosphere at Stur-Dee speaks of the 1950s. In the once, there is no computer, fax machine or push-button phone. Ernie Gavin believes a rotary phone and the postal service are sufficient means of communicating. Shelves are filled with dusty books on such subjects as history and evolution – Gavin is a voracious reader. Logbooks with transactions dating back to 1954 also can be found on the shelves. "Gavin grabbed the 1964 edition, blew a thick layer of dust off it and turned to a page filled with scribbled notes that only he could decipher. One transaction, the sale of a 16-foot dory was for $195." And, because it bears repeating, once again, the misinformation from WhineB: "No one in the 50s or 60s could afford to build a wooden boat bigger than 7 ft for $200, even using the cheapest materials. Nowadays a sheet of good Okume sells for $200, and fyi, Okume is about as good as it gets for marine plywood. It is light, strong and highly rot resistant. Many racing hydroplanes have been built from it, and other lightweight high performance boats." Have a nice day. Up to 7 or 8 years ago a local guy out on the Bedford Highway advertised 8' plywood prams for $245.00. Wow! That's exciting! Go wipe your son's ass now, Donnie. Not another one infatuated with male buttocks! You guys keep crawling up from the baseboards. Where's that Orkin man when you need him? |
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Don White wrote:
"Dan" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... wrote: On Jan 5, 12:05 pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 11:50:24 -0500, HK wrote: We built dinghies that looked very much like yours, and rowboats that were somewhat more stout. How many did you actually build by yourself ? I'm guessing zero. In a word Harry, you know just about zip with regards to boat building, and you have incredible gall denigrating the skills of others. Get a life. Well, probably a little off. In the 50's you could get a locally built boat like a Brockway, say 16 to 20 feet for a few hundred dollars, Dynamite Payson sold prams up in Maine for probably 50-75 dollars... Of course, I was only born in 58 so I am taking it from the old salts that I have run into over the years.. He's not even right about okoume. It is a relatively weak wood, and subject to rot. It's use in kit boats came about because the world supply of real mahogany, a stronger, more rot-resistant wood, got tight and the resulting marine mahogany ply, became much too expensive and scarce for boatbuilders. What's really sad is that many purveyors of okoume claim the product they are selling is mahogany ply, but it ain't. I'm pretty sure my dad spec'd 3/8" thick *mahogany* marine ply on the small boats the shop turned out. He used cedar, too. No "sewn together" boats, either. The boats the shop fiberglassed were built with different "skins." Here's a reference you might like...the Stur-Dee dory site. My father did business with the founder and owner, Ernie Gavin, for at least 25 years. If you look on the "history" page, you'll see a reference to 16-foot dories Stur-Dee built and sold in the mid 1950s for $195: http://www.stur-deeboat.com/history.htm "The atmosphere at Stur-Dee speaks of the 1950s. In the once, there is no computer, fax machine or push-button phone. Ernie Gavin believes a rotary phone and the postal service are sufficient means of communicating. Shelves are filled with dusty books on such subjects as history and evolution – Gavin is a voracious reader. Logbooks with transactions dating back to 1954 also can be found on the shelves. "Gavin grabbed the 1964 edition, blew a thick layer of dust off it and turned to a page filled with scribbled notes that only he could decipher. One transaction, the sale of a 16-foot dory was for $195." And, because it bears repeating, once again, the misinformation from WhineB: "No one in the 50s or 60s could afford to build a wooden boat bigger than 7 ft for $200, even using the cheapest materials. Nowadays a sheet of good Okume sells for $200, and fyi, Okume is about as good as it gets for marine plywood. It is light, strong and highly rot resistant. Many racing hydroplanes have been built from it, and other lightweight high performance boats." Have a nice day. Up to 7 or 8 years ago a local guy out on the Bedford Highway advertised 8' plywood prams for $245.00. Wow! That's exciting! Go wipe your son's ass now, Donnie. Not another one infatuated with male buttocks! You guys keep crawling up from the baseboards. Where's that Orkin man when you need him? He's busy at work on your wife's pant drawer. See, Donnie, I can be as childish as you! |
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"Dan" wrote in message ... He's busy at work on your wife's pant drawer. See, Donnie, I can be as childish as you! What a piece of **** you are. Now you've brought 2 of my family members into this. Didn't you get your knuckles rapped a while back for this same behaviour by some of the more moderate members ? |
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Don White wrote:
"Dan" wrote in message ... He's busy at work on your wife's pant drawer. See, Donnie, I can be as childish as you! What a piece of **** you are. Now you've brought 2 of my family members into this. Didn't you get your knuckles rapped a while back for this same behaviour by some of the more moderate members ? Dan plays the same ID game as Reggieturdo: om m As does Herringturdo: And "Jim": A$$hats, all of them, but not smart enough to bust through real filters. :} -- George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever! |
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HK wrote:
Don White wrote: "Dan" wrote in message ... He's busy at work on your wife's pant drawer. See, Donnie, I can be as childish as you! What a piece of **** you are. Now you've brought 2 of my family members into this. Didn't you get your knuckles rapped a while back for this same behaviour by some of the more moderate members ? Dan plays the same ID game as Reggieturdo: om m As does Herringturdo: And "Jim": A$$hats, all of them, but not smart enough to bust through real filters. :} Harry, what is so hard about filtering my ID - Reginald P. Smithers III, you seem to make this way to hard on yourself. |
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On Jan 7, 8:12*am, "Don White" wrote:
"Dan" wrote in message ... He's busy at work on your wife's pant drawer. See, Donnie, I can be as childish as you! What a piece of **** you are. *Now you've brought 2 of my family members into this. Didn't you get your knuckles rapped a while back for this same behaviour by some of the more moderate members ? He's the lowest of the low lifes here. He's trying to beat JimH's record for saying nasty, untrue things about people's loved ones. That's why he's rec.boat's **** boy. His knuckes can take a good rapping, after all, they've always been dragging on the ground! |
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On Jan 5, 2:47*pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote: wrote: On Jan 5, 12:01 am, "Mike" wrote: Harry, you're so full of ****, your parker is stained brown. Scott makes boats with his own two hands... that is awesome. I'm a carpenter. I can build a house, right down to the cabinets... I cannot build a boat. I know 1st hand the skill it takes to do what he does, and I can assure you he's waaay out of your league. You can say what you want about what he builds, but it does not detract from the fact, that he can do it, and you cannot. Anyone with a few $$ can go buy a boat... few can build one. No one here is buying your line of crap, so why don't you just go away. --Mike P.S. Do you have friends in your real life? You sure don't seem to have many here... "HK" wrote in message m... wrote: On Jan 4, 8:32 am, HK wrote: wrote: On Jan 4, 8:28 am, wrote: On Jan 3, 5:55 pm, "JimH" wrote: wrote in message ... On Jan 3, 3:17 pm, wrote: I'm going to ride up and take a look at this, the guy seemed like he'd deal, and it's been on the list for quite awhile. Anybody ever owned one of these motors, or know about them? How about the boat itself? I'd take that hot foot off, I don't like them, and I think the empty cigarette packs are throw in for free! http://atlanta.craigslist.org/boa/526435056.html Looks like a girls boat... ======================== Black with pretty little white speckles........probably glittery too. The engine cover has started to morph to the same. Damn you're stupid.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And yet, your the one looking at the Viagra sled.... Have you actually ever built a boat large enough to take a couple of big guys out fishing on a body of water on which there might be waves? -- George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yaimkool.com Have you ever wet a hull of your own hand.. Of did daddy just give it to you along with whatever else he gave you to make you so mad and insecure.?? My father was in the boat business. I had boats. If he were a shoemaker, I would have had lots of shoes. Just think...if your daddy was a brain surgeon, you would have had...a brain. Yeah, I built dinghies that looked like some of yours. I worked at the boat store, boatyard and marina many Saturdays and Sundays from age nine on, and many summers, too. I was the "designated detailer" for a few years, and then I moved on up to simple carpentry repairs on wood boats, and refinishing of mahogany decks, seats and gunnels. During the winter, I also helped out in the boatshop, building dinghies and skiffs. I've seen boats like the ones on your web page being built as part of classes at the two local marine museums here, over the course of a weekend, by father-son/father-daughter teams. If you are really a beginner with hand tools, you can take one of these classes. Makes a good day date: Build a Boat in a Day Class fee: $300.00 ($275.00 FOM) per team. Each adult and child team uses the stitch-and-glue technique to assemble a prepared kit for a small flat-bottomed plywood boat suitable for rowing or paddling. The boat is 7' 10" long, 32" wide, and weighs about 40 pounds. By the end of the class each boat will be completed to a watertight condition and clear-coated with epoxy. Detail finishing and painting is the responsibility of team members and may not be undertaken in the Watercraft Center. Teams are limited to a maximum of 4 persons, at least one of whom must be an adult. The minimum age limit for this class only is 8 years. (6 hours). *Or for those who can tell a saw from a pliers: One-Week Boatbuilding Class Class fee: $1,400.00 ($1,350.00 FOM) Each student builds a traditional flat-bottomed skiff or a small round-bottomed boat over a one-week period. Class participants will build their own flat-bottomed skiff or small round-bottomed boat, either carvel or lapstrake planked, up to 15 feet in length, with an expert's guidance. Students must discuss the boat they wish to build with the instructor before the class begins and receive his approval. They take home their boats, which will be ready for primer, at the end of the class. The class price includes the cost of all materials. Tools are supplied, but participants are encouraged to bring their own battery-operated drills (including charger) and palm or orbital sanders. (64 hours) -- Republicans: Vote for Huck, Paul or Fred & Guarantee a Democratic Victory in 2008- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And quite frankly, his post about building dinghys and such in his dad's shops does not square with the impressions he has given in the past. I tend to doubt he has ever built a boat.... But that is just my opinion based on things he has said that would somewhat exclude him for a group of folks who I think understand construction and implementation of the tool... *beyond what he has read. I also suspect he was typical dock rat, hanging around his dad's marina hoping to pick up some of the leftovers from the boarders...;) Anyone remember those little assh**es? I hate to tell you this, but Harry has done everything. *Not only that but he has done it bigger and better than anyone. *Did he ever tell you about the time he single handed around "the horn".- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Was that in his fishing boat? After all, he's stated here many, many times lately that he only boats to get to fish. |
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On Jan 5, 11:59*am, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 11:50:24 -0500, HK wrote: wrote: And quite frankly, his post about building dinghys and such in his dad's shops does not square with the impressions he has given in the past. I tend to doubt he has ever built a boat.... But that is just my opinion based on things he has said that would somewhat exclude him for a group of folks who I think understand construction and implementation of the tool... *beyond what he has read. I also suspect he was typical dock rat, hanging around his dad's marina hoping to pick up some of the leftovers from the boarders...;) Anyone remember those little assh**es? We built dinghies that looked very much like yours, and rowboats that were somewhat more stout. Sold them for a couple of hundred dollars to boaters who wanted something cheap to use to row from the marina dock out to their mooring. We had a very small assembly line out in a metal storage shed. The frames were cut out, and then the hullsides, bottoms, et cetera, were cut using patterns out of sheets of marine ply. It wasn't rocket science then, and it certainly isn't now. Those who wanted a tow-behind dink usually ended up buying one of Dyer's offerings, not a plywood tippydoodle. If the buyer wanted a more robust rowboat, Dad had factory-made dories and rowboats that were suitable. There isn't a boat you built on your website I would have taken out of a small cove on Long Island Sound, unless, of course, I had a death wish. My father didn't allow liveaboarders at his marina. Couple of nights, a long weekend, fine. No longer. In those days, everyone seemed to appreciate that. There weren't many rules at the marina, but the ones there were were posted and enforced. You know, Harry. I believe you have a wife. I believe you have a boat. I believe you feed wild animals. Much beyond that and your credibility just goes out the window. You've just lied yourself into the corner too many times. -- John H- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I want to see that lobster boat! What I find really amusing is the fact that now that he down sized, he claims to only boat to get to the fish. Was that what his lobster boat is for? How about when he owned a Hatt? I wonder what he was fishing for when he single handed around the Horn? |
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On Jan 5, 11:50*am, HK wrote:
wrote: And quite frankly, his post about building dinghys and such in his dad's shops does not square with the impressions he has given in the past. I tend to doubt he has ever built a boat.... But that is just my opinion based on things he has said that would somewhat exclude him for a group of folks who I think understand construction and implementation of the tool... *beyond what he has read. I also suspect he was typical dock rat, hanging around his dad's marina hoping to pick up some of the leftovers from the boarders...;) Anyone remember those little assh**es? We built dinghies that looked very much like yours, and rowboats that were somewhat more stout. Sold them for a couple of hundred dollars to boaters who wanted something cheap to use to row from the marina dock out to their mooring. We had a very small assembly line out in a metal storage shed. The frames were cut out, and then the hullsides, bottoms, et cetera, were cut using patterns out of sheets of marine ply. It wasn't rocket science then, and it certainly isn't now. Those who wanted a tow-behind dink usually ended up buying one of Dyer's offerings, not a plywood tippydoodle. If the buyer wanted a more robust rowboat, Dad had factory-made dories and rowboats that were suitable. There isn't a boat you built on your website I would have taken out of a small cove on Long Island Sound, unless, of course, I had a death wish. My father didn't allow liveaboarders at his marina. Couple of nights, a long weekend, fine. No longer. In those days, everyone seemed to appreciate that. There weren't many rules at the marina, but the ones there were were posted and enforced. Harry, show us some pictures of you and your dad at your marina. |
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On Jan 4, 10:16*pm, Tim wrote:
On Jan 4, 8:27*am, wrote: Besides, I've always liked speed. I've raced snowmobiles, motocross, dirt sprint cars, etc. all of my life.- Hide quoted text - When I was a kid I did some "hot shoeing" around a half mile dirt track on a *modified Bultaco 250 Pursang, But this is my favorite 'racing" that is, if you want to call it that. I mean *how slow can you go? I never ever was very good at it, But I know some guys that were amazing! http://youtube.com/watch?v=MY_bITpYNwA&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PS575jtaIBs&NR=1 http://youtube.com/watch?v=XYKWSRFWebo Back in my day, they had trials events but nothing like that! Back then it was just in the woods, over downfall trees, etc. |
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On Jan 7, 9:21*am, wrote:
On Jan 4, 10:16*pm, Tim wrote: On Jan 4, 8:27*am, wrote: Besides, I've always liked speed. I've raced snowmobiles, motocross, dirt sprint cars, etc. all of my life.- Hide quoted text - When I was a kid I did some "hot shoeing" around a half mile dirt track on a *modified Bultaco 250 Pursang, But this is my favorite 'racing" that is, if you want to call it that. I mean *how slow can you go? I never ever was very good at it, But I know some guys that were amazing! http://youtube.com/watch?v=MY_bITpYNwA&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PS575jtaIBs&NR=1 http://youtube.com/watch?v=XYKWSRFWebo Back in my day, they had trials events but nothing like that! Back then it was just in the woods, over downfall trees, etc.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I know. This is remarkable, isn't it? yes, I remember the day with the logs, and creek beds. If you could balance on a bike more than 20 seconds you were a king dog. Malcolm Smith was one of the greatest trials riders of the 60's and he would stand in awe of these guys. |
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Don White wrote:
"Dan" wrote in message ... He's busy at work on your wife's pant drawer. See, Donnie, I can be as childish as you! What a piece of **** you are. Now you've brought 2 of my family members into this. Didn't you get your knuckles rapped a while back for this same behaviour by some of the more moderate members ? Gee, Donnie, I don't remember. Can you Google it for me? |
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HK wrote:
Don White wrote: "Dan" wrote in message ... He's busy at work on your wife's pant drawer. See, Donnie, I can be as childish as you! What a piece of **** you are. Now you've brought 2 of my family members into this. Didn't you get your knuckles rapped a while back for this same behaviour by some of the more moderate members ? Dan plays the same ID game as Reggieturdo: om m As does Herringturdo: And "Jim": A$$hats, all of them, but not smart enough to bust through real filters. :} There are reasons for that, and you obviously know them. Your list of alias is at least more than the three people you mention here - combined. So...your point is?? |
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"Dan" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "Dan" wrote in message ... He's busy at work on your wife's pant drawer. See, Donnie, I can be as childish as you! What a piece of **** you are. Now you've brought 2 of my family members into this. Didn't you get your knuckles rapped a while back for this same behaviour by some of the more moderate members ? Gee, Donnie, I don't remember. Can you Google it for me? Google this..... Dingy Boy! |
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Dan wrote:
HK wrote: Don White wrote: "Dan" wrote in message ... He's busy at work on your wife's pant drawer. See, Donnie, I can be as childish as you! What a piece of **** you are. Now you've brought 2 of my family members into this. Didn't you get your knuckles rapped a while back for this same behaviour by some of the more moderate members ? Dan plays the same ID game as Reggieturdo: om m As does Herringturdo: And "Jim": A$$hats, all of them, but not smart enough to bust through real filters. :} There are reasons for that, and you obviously know them. Your list of alias is at least more than the three people you mention here - combined. So...your point is?? Why in the world would anybody care who has had what e-mail addresses in their posts made to a boating newsgroup? |
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On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 07:36:41 -0500, BAR wrote:
Dan wrote: HK wrote: Don White wrote: "Dan" wrote in message ... He's busy at work on your wife's pant drawer. See, Donnie, I can be as childish as you! What a piece of **** you are. Now you've brought 2 of my family members into this. Didn't you get your knuckles rapped a while back for this same behaviour by some of the more moderate members ? Dan plays the same ID game as Reggieturdo: om m As does Herringturdo: And "Jim": A$$hats, all of them, but not smart enough to bust through real filters. :} There are reasons for that, and you obviously know them. Your list of alias is at least more than the three people you mention here - combined. So...your point is?? Why in the world would anybody care who has had what e-mail addresses in their posts made to a boating newsgroup? It's funny. If I want to filter someone, I right click on the header, select filter, a window pops up with the 'author' as the default filter expression, and I hit 'OK'. That works until the 'author' changes his name. Neither I nor Reggie have changed names in quite a while, yet Harry has these problems. I can only guess that Harry's problems with his filters stem from using Vista, or the LTP. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
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On Jan 7, 9:28*pm, Dan wrote:
wrote: On Jan 7, 8:12 am, "Don White" wrote: "Dan" wrote in message ... He's busy at work on your wife's pant drawer. See, Donnie, I can be as childish as you! What a piece of **** you are. *Now you've brought 2 of my family members into this. Didn't you get your knuckles rapped a while back for this same behaviour by some of the more moderate members ? He's the lowest of the low lifes here. He's trying to beat JimH's record for saying nasty, untrue things about people's loved ones. That's why he's rec.boat's **** boy. His knuckes can take a good rapping, after all, they've always been dragging on the ground! Is that your attempt at humor, Sally? *Try again.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No, **** boy, it's the truth. |
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On Jan 7, 7:58*pm, Tim wrote:
On Jan 7, 9:21*am, wrote: On Jan 4, 10:16*pm, Tim wrote: On Jan 4, 8:27*am, wrote: Besides, I've always liked speed. I've raced snowmobiles, motocross, dirt sprint cars, etc. all of my life.- Hide quoted text - When I was a kid I did some "hot shoeing" around a half mile dirt track on a *modified Bultaco 250 Pursang, But this is my favorite 'racing" that is, if you want to call it that. I mean *how slow can you go? I never ever was very good at it, But I know some guys that were amazing! http://youtube.com/watch?v=MY_bITpYNwA&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PS575jtaIBs&NR=1 http://youtube.com/watch?v=XYKWSRFWebo Back in my day, they had trials events but nothing like that! Back then it was just in the woods, over downfall trees, etc.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I know. This is remarkable, isn't it? yes, I remember the day with the logs, and creek beds. If you could balance on a bike more than 20 seconds you were a king dog. *Malcolm Smith was one of the greatest trials riders of the 60's and he would stand in awe of these guys.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yep, it's been taken to a new level, that's for sure! As with most things! When I raced snowmobiles, it was all oval racing, except for when we fooled around as a group in the woods. Now they motocross the things! Of course the snowmobiles of the early to mid 70's wouldn't have standed up to that abuse! |
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Dan wrote: HK wrote: Don White wrote: "Dan" wrote in message ... He's busy at work on your wife's pant drawer. See, Donnie, I can be as childish as you! What a piece of **** you are. Now you've brought 2 of my family members into this. Didn't you get your knuckles rapped a while back for this same behaviour by some of the more moderate members ? Dan plays the same ID game as Reggieturdo: om m As does Herringturdo: And "Jim": A$$hats, all of them, but not smart enough to bust through real filters. :} There are reasons for that, and you obviously know them. Your list of alias is at least more than the three people you mention here - combined. So...your point is?? Why in the world would anybody care who has had what e-mail addresses in their posts made to a boating newsgroup? Exactly. |
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Don White wrote:
"Dan" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "Dan" wrote in message ... He's busy at work on your wife's pant drawer. See, Donnie, I can be as childish as you! What a piece of **** you are. Now you've brought 2 of my family members into this. Didn't you get your knuckles rapped a while back for this same behaviour by some of the more moderate members ? Gee, Donnie, I don't remember. Can you Google it for me? Google this..... Dingy Boy! What's "this", Diaper Donnie? Go clip your boy's toenails. |
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On Jan 8, 8:32*pm, Dan wrote:
wrote: On Jan 7, 9:28 pm, Dan wrote: wrote: On Jan 7, 8:12 am, "Don White" wrote: "Dan" wrote in message ... He's busy at work on your wife's pant drawer. See, Donnie, I can be as childish as you! What a piece of **** you are. *Now you've brought 2 of my family members into this. Didn't you get your knuckles rapped a while back for this same behaviour by some of the more moderate members ? He's the lowest of the low lifes here. He's trying to beat JimH's record for saying nasty, untrue things about people's loved ones. That's why he's rec.boat's **** boy. His knuckes can take a good rapping, after all, they've always been dragging on the ground! Is that your attempt at humor, Sally? *Try again.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No, **** boy, it's the truth. You should print this post and hang it on your wall so your husband/wife and child/children can see Daddy's handiwork! *If they are proud, they are dumber than you, Sally.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hey, speaking of, **** boy. Why did you act like a bad ass here when I offered to meet up with you, only to pussy out? Everyone here knows you don't live anywhere near Miami. |
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wrote: On Jan 3, 7:11?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 13:20:08 -0800 (PST), wrote: That's exactly the $ range I was thinking, Tom. And I know that the electronics aren't up to snuff, especially the paper chart! I'll be using my stuff if I buy it. I'll look at the problem areas you suggested, like the rear deck, and like you, I'm a little (more than a little!) leery of the motor, that's the main reason I was asking. I'd heard of those vintage unEvinrudes blowing up. I like my very old Evinrude, but in that year range, I'd really rather have a Merc. Thanks for the input. The base engine is fine - it's the VRO that is flaky. I replaced one of mine on the 393V I owned, but never had another problem. Other guys who ran them went through two or three of them. ?It just depended. Oh, with respect to the hot foot - give it a chance - you can always remove it if you decide you don't like it. ?Personally, I'm ambivilent about them. I had one once and it didn't really annoy me as much as I thought it would. Good luck with it. Went up and looked at it last night. Besides the hotfoot, the hillbilly did quite a lot of..... let's say.... customizing that I didn't care for. Then he told me that he had replaced the VRO system, but when it failed it didn't do any harm "as far as he could tell". The battery/electrical wiring looked like my 8 year old did it. Now all of this wouldn't have been bad, I love having a project, but he wouldn't come down to anywhere near 3 grand so I passed! The more I looked at it, the more disgusted I was: http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i3...l/CIMG0341.jpg Yes, you would certianly thinkt hat if a person was wanting to get a NADA like value out of it, they would at least have the energy to clean the thing up and make it presentable. and I see from that red wire what you're talking about. it does look "patch 'n go" . Yeah, like I said, if it's good enough for him, then it's good enough for anybody. Yeah, the validity of the engine would be a huge concern. especially after reading the comment: "Then he told me that he had replaced the VRO system, but when it failed it didn't do any harm "as far as he could tell". i believe you were wise to balk 'n walk. |
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On Jan 9, 6:33*pm, "JimH" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message ... wrote: On Jan 3, 7:11?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 13:20:08 -0800 (PST), wrote: That's exactly the $ range I was thinking, Tom. And I know that the electronics aren't up to snuff, especially the paper chart! I'll be using my stuff if I buy it. I'll look at the problem areas you suggested, like the rear deck, and like you, I'm a little (more than a little!) leery of the motor, that's the main reason I was asking. I'd heard of those vintage unEvinrudes blowing up. I like my very old Evinrude, but in that year range, I'd really rather have a Merc. Thanks for the input. The base engine is fine - it's the VRO that is flaky. I replaced one of mine on the 393V I owned, but never had another problem. Other guys who ran them went through two or three of them. ?It just depended. Oh, with respect to the hot foot - give it a chance - you can always remove it if you decide you don't like it. ?Personally, I'm ambivilent about them. I had one once and it didn't really annoy me as much as I thought it would. Good luck with it. Went up and looked at it last night. Besides the hotfoot, the hillbilly did quite a lot of..... let's say.... customizing that I didn't care for. Then he told me that he had replaced the VRO system, but when it failed it didn't do any harm "as far as he could tell". The battery/electrical wiring looked like my 8 year old did it. Now all of this wouldn't have been bad, I love having a project, but he wouldn't come down to anywhere near 3 grand so I passed! The more I looked at it, the more disgusted I was: http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i3...l/CIMG0341.jpg Yes, you would certianly thinkt hat if a person was wanting to get a NADA like value out of it, they would at least have the energy *to clean the thing up and make it presentable. and I see from that red wire what you're talking about. *it does look "patch 'n go" *. Yeah, like I said, if it's good enough for him, then it's good enough for anybody. *Yeah, the validity of the engine would be a huge concern. especially after reading the comment: "Then he told me that he had replaced the VRO system, but when it failed it didn't do any harm "as far as he could tell". i believe you were wise to balk 'n walk. The bottom line is that the fact that Booger was interested in it shows his taste in and knowledge of boats. * *I would think the boat would look nice next to his double wide though.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And theres JimH again. So, Jim, tell us all, what evidence do you have that I live in a double wide? Any? I expect not. Now are you going to start saying ****ty untrue, bitter lies about me, my wife and my children? That's what you usually do. |
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