Michael Moore would be proud...
 

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jan 3, 9:35�am, BAR wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:





Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 3, 10:23 am, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:11:48 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 2, 7:01 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM
Lyle Fisher
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California has
turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed emergency
surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home due
to a
lack of hospital beds.
Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December 17th.
Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the Lower
Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck.
Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the issue
is a
shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are highly
specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to see
those beds filled up.
Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be
transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her
mom is
'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home.
NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's
continued to
plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government cuts to
acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British Columbia
was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and some
of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that number."
Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities issued
reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short right
now.
The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things about
any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things, and
post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with
global warming!
The only good thing about the overtaxed, crappy health system is
that it's
'free'. So what?
--
John H- Hide quoted text -
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So are you saying that the Veteran's Administration's health system is
crappy?
In many areas and aspects the VA health care does suck. �I am for
universal health care, because the system we have today is Universal
health care, but you just have to get very sick and go to the ER
before it is available. �We all are already paying for universal
healthcare, at substantially higher prices than we need to. �It is
cheaper to take care of a minor problem with a RN or in a clinic, than
wait till it is a major problem.
Plus, if we had Universal Health Care, most of the people who are
uninsured today, who we are already paying for their care, would pay
some or all of their healthcare insurance.
You are a "progressive" in disguise and I say that with all due negative
connotation.- Hide quoted text -

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You're a Progressive as well, unless you're willing to sit outside the
door to the Emergency Room door and stop every gurney wheeling
somebody inside. "Hey, wait! That guy bleeding from his artery goes
nowhere until we can be sure he has either the insurance or the money
to pay for his care! How do we know he isn't some illegal alien? Good
lord, worse yet, he might even be a liberal! Stop! Stop I say, until
we can determine whether this victim is financially and politically
qualified to be saved!" :-) (not that you seriously would ever do
that, of course)

I like your plan Chuck. We could set up the HSA and guard the gates to
the hospitals.

In the end, the ER at the local hospital becomes the de-facto public
health clinic. Nobody is turned away, and those of us who can afford
insurance and buy it absorb, (through our premiums) the costs of
caring for people who cannot afford insurance. Like Reggie observed,
we are *already* providing at least emergency level health care to
everybody in this country- but in a very inefficient and ridiculously
expensive manner. It's like feeding the homeless by renting a banquet
room at the most expensive hotel or restaurant in town. (I'm sure the
owners of the 5-star restaurants and premium hotels would appreciate
the extra business). Money spent to treat disease in the early stages
is miuch cheaper than waiting until an ER situation arises.

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

BAR wrote:

You're a Progressive as well, unless you're willing to sit outside the
door to the Emergency Room door and stop every gurney wheeling
somebody inside. "Hey, wait! That guy bleeding from his artery goes
nowhere until we can be sure he has either the insurance or the money
to pay for his care! How do we know he isn't some illegal alien? Good
lord, worse yet, he might even be a liberal! Stop! Stop I say, until
we can determine whether this victim is financially and politically
qualified to be saved!" :-) (not that you seriously would ever do
that, of course)

I like your plan Chuck. We could set up the HSA and guard the gates to
the hospitals.

We could use Hell's Angles, the same as the Rolling Stones did at
Altmount, they are cheaper and might be willing to work for tips.

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM


A friend of mine, here in the good 'ol USA, dislocated his knee a week
and a half ago. Had to wait a week for the MRI and has a meeting with
the surgeon next Monday. He's in intense pain and can't walk at all.

He's a veteran and has a good HMO (Pacific Care).

Is our system really that good?

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

On Jan 3, 4:52*pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
BAR wrote:
You're a Progressive as well, unless you're willing to sit outside the
door to the Emergency Room door and stop every gurney wheeling
somebody inside. "Hey, wait! That guy bleeding from his artery goes
nowhere until we can be sure he has either the insurance or the money
to pay for his care! How do we know he isn't some illegal alien? Good
lord, worse yet, he might even be a liberal! Stop! Stop I say, until
we can determine whether this victim is financially and politically
qualified to be saved!" *:-) *(not that you seriously would ever do
that, of course)

I like your plan Chuck. We could set up the HSA and guard the gates to
the hospitals.

We could use Hell's Angles, the same as the Rolling Stones did at
Altmount, they are cheaper and might be willing to work for tips.

Deep Purple used them once at Colt Park and some guy climbed over the
fence. They beat the living **** out of the guy, teeth all over the
place, left him sitting inside the fence, told him he had paid fair
admission. What a frekin' bloody mess the guy was. Not hearsay, I saw
the whole thing from about 20 yards....;)

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

BAR wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jan 3, 9:35�am, BAR wrote:






You're a Progressive as well, unless you're willing to sit outside the
door to the Emergency Room door and stop every gurney wheeling
somebody inside. "Hey, wait! That guy bleeding from his artery goes
nowhere until we can be sure he has either the insurance or the money
to pay for his care! How do we know he isn't some illegal alien? Good
lord, worse yet, he might even be a liberal! Stop! Stop I say, until
we can determine whether this victim is financially and politically
qualified to be saved!" :-) (not that you seriously would ever do
that, of course)




I like your plan Chuck. We could set up the HSA and guard the gates to
the hospitals.



Any MS 13 boys in your area who make house calls?

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 3, 10:23 am, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:11:48 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 2, 7:01 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM
Lyle Fisher
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California has
turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed emergency
surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home due to
a
lack of hospital beds.
Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December 17th.
Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the Lower
Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck.
Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the issue is
a
shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are highly
specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to see
those beds filled up.
Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be
transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her mom
is
'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home.
NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's continued
to
plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government cuts
to
acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British Columbia
was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and
some
of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that number."
Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities issued
reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short
right
now.
The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things about
any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things, and
post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with
global warming!
The only good thing about the overtaxed, crappy health system is that
it's
'free'. So what?
--
John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So are you saying that the Veteran's Administration's health system is
crappy?

In many areas and aspects the VA health care does suck. I am for
universal health care, because the system we have today is Universal
health care, but you just have to get very sick and go to the ER before
it is available. We all are already paying for universal healthcare, at
substantially higher prices than we need to. It is cheaper to take care
of a minor problem with a RN or in a clinic, than wait till it is a
major problem.


Plus, if we had Universal Health Care, most of the people who are
uninsured today, who we are already paying for their care, would pay some
or all of their healthcare insurance.


You are a "progressive" in disguise and I say that with all due negative
connotation.

You're quite a piece of work Bertie.
What about being your brothers keeper... or does your christianity end
midnight Christmas day?.

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jan 3, 9:35�am, BAR wrote:






You're a Progressive as well, unless you're willing to sit outside the
door to the Emergency Room door and stop every gurney wheeling
somebody inside. "Hey, wait! That guy bleeding from his artery goes
nowhere until we can be sure he has either the insurance or the money
to pay for his care! How do we know he isn't some illegal alien? Good
lord, worse yet, he might even be a liberal! Stop! Stop I say, until
we can determine whether this victim is financially and politically
qualified to be saved!" :-) (not that you seriously would ever do
that, of course)




I like your plan Chuck. We could set up the HSA and guard the gates to
the hospitals.



Any MS 13 boys in your area who make house calls?

Why, Are you going to use your "connections" and have me rubbed out?

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jan 3, 9:35�am, BAR wrote:






You're a Progressive as well, unless you're willing to sit outside the
door to the Emergency Room door and stop every gurney wheeling
somebody inside. "Hey, wait! That guy bleeding from his artery goes
nowhere until we can be sure he has either the insurance or the money
to pay for his care! How do we know he isn't some illegal alien? Good
lord, worse yet, he might even be a liberal! Stop! Stop I say, until
we can determine whether this victim is financially and politically
qualified to be saved!" :-) (not that you seriously would ever do
that, of course)




I like your plan Chuck. We could set up the HSA and guard the gates
to the hospitals.



Any MS 13 boys in your area who make house calls?

Why, Are you going to use your "connections" and have me rubbed out?


You're not worth it. No, I don't know any MS-13 guys.



--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

Don White wrote:


You are a "progressive" in disguise and I say that with all due negative
connotation.

You're quite a piece of work Bertie.
What about being your brothers keeper... or does your christianity end
midnight Christmas day?.



Bertie is one of those modern Republican Christian conservatives. You
know, "I've got mine, so screw you."
A real disciple of Jesus, eh?


--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:11:48 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 2, 7:01*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM

Lyle Fisher
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California has
turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed emergency
surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home due to a
lack of hospital beds.

Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December 17th.
Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the Lower
Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck.

Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the issue is a
shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are highly
specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to see
those beds filled up.

Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be
transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her mom is
'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home.

NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's continued to
plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government cuts to
acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British Columbia
was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and some
of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that number."

Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities issued
reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short right
now.

The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things about
any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things, and
post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with
global warming!

If it were up to them, all air would look like Los Angeles', the water
would resemble Love Canal in the 70s and we'd be ingesting carcinogens
with every bite.

Business and industry should always be left to profit unfettered for
those who believe in the sanctity of life -- that is right up until
you're born. Then you'd bloody well better be prepared to pull
yourself up by your bootstraps and pay for your portion of our
national debt, currently estimated at $40K/person at the time of
birth.

That's debt to pay not for health care, it's to pay for bombs, an
under-valued military and tax breaks for business and the rich.

Hell, the conservatives don't even want to give health care to the
thousands of kids who come home maimed from our oil wars.

Conservatives - there's little about them that is.

jps