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On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 06:22:06 -0500, HK wrote:
wrote: On Jan 3, 8:43 pm, HK wrote: BAR wrote: Get rid of all entitlements that are not earned by service or sacrifice above and beyond bearing a child and chasing away the father. We want them to get health care. However, the illegal immigrants who need health care should be given a shot of penicillin and put on a plane back to their country of most recent citizenship. Conservation of capital. Conservation of what I earn. Conservation of my property. Conservation of the the country. There's nothing quite like these Christian conservatives. :} We are a well raised and proud bunch aren't we.. Of course...too inbred and stupid to know any better. "It's just Harry." Where have I heard that? -- John H |
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BAR wrote:
HK wrote: JimH wrote: wrote in message ... On Jan 4, 8:16 am, wrote: On Jan 3, 5:39 pm, Jim wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM A friend of mine, here in the good 'ol USA, dislocated his knee a week and a half ago. Had to wait a week for the MRI and has a meeting with the surgeon next Monday. He's in intense pain and can't walk at all. He's a veteran and has a good HMO (Pacific Care). Is our system really that good? Awhile back, I came very close to dying. I have very good insurance. I waited in the emergency room for six hours, then two hours in triage, then another day and a half before a surgical suite would be available for the surgeon to get me in. It was so close at the end that he came and personally checked on me every half hour. So, please tell me where you would have rather been, Cuba, Britian, Iran.??? Please, we will pitch in for a ticket if you want to be treated somewhere else... ================ Booger has exaggerated his story just a wee bit. Anyone close to death does not wait 6 hours in any emergency room for care but is rushed right in and attended to, including immediate surgery if needed to save the life. That's simply not the case. Oh, and if you are really ill, poor, and in need of an expensive anti-cancer regimen, what do yo think happens to you? You die. And? Compassionate Conservative Christianity at its best. -- George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever! |
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HK wrote:
wrote: On Jan 4, 8:50 am, HK wrote: JimH wrote: wrote in message ... On Jan 4, 8:16 am, wrote: On Jan 3, 5:39 pm, Jim wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM A friend of mine, here in the good 'ol USA, dislocated his knee a week and a half ago. Had to wait a week for the MRI and has a meeting with the surgeon next Monday. He's in intense pain and can't walk at all. He's a veteran and has a good HMO (Pacific Care). Is our system really that good? Awhile back, I came very close to dying. I have very good insurance. I waited in the emergency room for six hours, then two hours in triage, then another day and a half before a surgical suite would be available for the surgeon to get me in. It was so close at the end that he came and personally checked on me every half hour. So, please tell me where you would have rather been, Cuba, Britian, Iran.??? Please, we will pitch in for a ticket if you want to be treated somewhere else... ================ Booger has exaggerated his story just a wee bit. Anyone close to death does not wait 6 hours in any emergency room for care but is rushed right in and attended to, including immediate surgery if needed to save the life. That's simply not the case. Oh, and if you are really ill, poor, and in need of an expensive anti-cancer regimen, what do yo think happens to you? You die. Yeah, ****head.. as I am doing right now.. you think I would have a better chance in Canada? I have cancer, I have no insurance, I am crying to no one for a handout, it's my own ****ing stupid fault.... But I don't want you or anyone else to bail me out for my bad decisions, and I don't sit around crying about it (ask Tom) I am however using it as a good example teaching tool for my kids... You are just such a stupid fucing lying asshole... your life must just be miserable, I woulnt trade for one extra second of your wasted life.... Are you upset because I advocate access to good health care for all in this country, including people in your circumstances? My advocacy makes me a "a stupid fucing lying asshole...," and my "life must just be miserable" because I don't believe our country does the right thing by its citizens? Isn't it interesting that you, with your claim of being a "conservative Christian," are so lacking in compassion, while I, most definitely *not* a "conservative Christian," am appalled by the lack of access to good medical care for those without the need to pay for it. "...without the ability to pay for it." I think you and your kind pay lip service to the teachings of Jesus. I'm not a Christian, yet I am much more of a "compassionate Christian" than you and your ilk are. I think anyone in this country who is ill should have access to the same kind of health care services I have, even if they cannot pay for it. I'm sorry for your problems. -- George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever! |
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On Jan 4, 9:19*am, HK wrote:
wrote: On Jan 4, 8:50 am, HK wrote: JimH wrote: wrote in message .... On Jan 4, 8:16 am, wrote: On Jan 3, 5:39 pm, Jim wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM A friend of mine, here in the good 'ol USA, dislocated his knee a week and a half ago. Had to wait a week for the MRI and has a meeting with the surgeon next Monday. He's in intense pain and can't walk at all. He's a veteran and has a good HMO (Pacific Care). Is our system really that good? Awhile back, I came very close to dying. I have very good insurance. I waited in the emergency room for six hours, then two hours in triage, then another day and a half before a surgical suite would be available for the surgeon to get me in. It was so close at the end that he came and personally checked on me every half hour. So, please tell me where you would have rather been, Cuba, Britian, Iran.??? *Please, we will pitch in for a ticket if you want to be treated somewhere else... ================ Booger has exaggerated his story just a wee bit. * Anyone close to death does not wait 6 hours in any emergency room for care but is rushed right in and attended to, including immediate surgery if needed to save the life. That's simply not the case. Oh, and if you are really ill, poor, and in need of an expensive anti-cancer regimen, what do yo think happens to you? You die. Yeah, ****head.. as I am doing right now.. you think I would have a better chance in Canada? I have cancer, I have no insurance, I am crying to no one for a handout, it's my own ****ing stupid fault.... But I don't want you or anyone else to bail me out for my bad decisions, and I don't sit around crying about it (ask Tom) I am however using it as a good example teaching tool for my kids... You are just such a stupid fucing lying asshole... your life must just be miserable, I woulnt trade for one extra second of your wasted life.... Are you upset because I advocate access to good health care for all in this country, including people in your circumstances? No, I just don't think you should pay for my bad decisions.. My advocacy makes me a "a stupid fucing lying asshole...," and my "life must just be miserable" because I don't believe our country does the right thing by its citizens? No, everything you say here is enough... Isn't it interesting that you, with your claim of being a "conservative Christian," are so lacking in compassion, while I, most definitely *not* a "conservative Christian," am appalled by the lack of access to good medical care for those without the need to pay for it. I am a bad christian, a liberatarian, and never claimed to be compassionate either. You are bound by nothing more than ideology and a hatred for anyone you perceive as more successful than you, and you don't even know what success is... I think you and your kind pay lip service to the teachings of Jesus. I'm not a Christian, yet I am much more of a "compassionate Christian" than you and your ilk are. I do not preach to anyone, never have, I have a testimony and folks are aware of that, I am proud of it. But I don't push it on anyone, not even my own family, that is up to them. And you are not compassionate, you are contrived... I think anyone in this country who is ill should have access to the same kind of health care services I have, even if they cannot pay for it. In some cases where folks had no choice, but I brought this on myself.. Although, I must admit, I would probably not trade a minute of it;) I'm sorry for your problems. Thank you, me too... -- Billary, the most sold out Whitehouse in history... |
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On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 09:19:53 -0500, HK wrote:
wrote: On Jan 4, 8:50 am, HK wrote: JimH wrote: wrote in message ... On Jan 4, 8:16 am, wrote: On Jan 3, 5:39 pm, Jim wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM A friend of mine, here in the good 'ol USA, dislocated his knee a week and a half ago. Had to wait a week for the MRI and has a meeting with the surgeon next Monday. He's in intense pain and can't walk at all. He's a veteran and has a good HMO (Pacific Care). Is our system really that good? Awhile back, I came very close to dying. I have very good insurance. I waited in the emergency room for six hours, then two hours in triage, then another day and a half before a surgical suite would be available for the surgeon to get me in. It was so close at the end that he came and personally checked on me every half hour. So, please tell me where you would have rather been, Cuba, Britian, Iran.??? Please, we will pitch in for a ticket if you want to be treated somewhere else... ================ Booger has exaggerated his story just a wee bit. Anyone close to death does not wait 6 hours in any emergency room for care but is rushed right in and attended to, including immediate surgery if needed to save the life. That's simply not the case. Oh, and if you are really ill, poor, and in need of an expensive anti-cancer regimen, what do yo think happens to you? You die. Yeah, ****head.. as I am doing right now.. you think I would have a better chance in Canada? I have cancer, I have no insurance, I am crying to no one for a handout, it's my own ****ing stupid fault.... But I don't want you or anyone else to bail me out for my bad decisions, and I don't sit around crying about it (ask Tom) I am however using it as a good example teaching tool for my kids... You are just such a stupid fucing lying asshole... your life must just be miserable, I woulnt trade for one extra second of your wasted life.... Are you upset because I advocate access to good health care for all in this country, including people in your circumstances? My advocacy makes me a "a stupid fucing lying asshole...," and my "life must just be miserable" because I don't believe our country does the right thing by its citizens? Isn't it interesting that you, with your claim of being a "conservative Christian," are so lacking in compassion, while I, most definitely *not* a "conservative Christian," am appalled by the lack of access to good medical care for those without the need to pay for it. I think you and your kind pay lip service to the teachings of Jesus. I'm not a Christian, yet I am much more of a "compassionate Christian" than you and your ilk are. I think anyone in this country who is ill should have access to the same kind of health care services I have, even if they cannot pay for it. I'm sorry for your problems. Harry, you are made what you are by your lies, your better-than-anyone attitude, and your sickening mouth. -- John H |
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Michael Moore would be proud...
HK wrote:
That's simply not the case. Oh, and if you are really ill, poor, and in need of an expensive anti-cancer regimen, what do yo think happens to you? You die. What pure horse****. Better suit up. The **** slinging is ramping up. -- Charlie |
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HK wrote:
I think you and your kind pay lip service to the teachings of Jesus. I'm not a Christian, yet I am much more of a "compassionate Christian" than you and your ilk are. What? A "compasionate Christian" who had sex with a 14 yo girl when he was 13? You're delusional. -- Charlie |
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HK wrote:
My ideology requires me to want to alleviate suffering. Really? In the past you've wished death upon more than one poster in this NG who disagreed with you. You might try to be truthful for once and state that you '"want to alleviate suffering" for those who don't **** you off by disagreeing with you.' -- Charlie |
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On Jan 4, 8:49*am, "D.Duck" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Jan 3, 2:07 pm, "D.Duck" wrote: wrote in message ... On Jan 3, 10:50 am, wrote: On Jan 3, 10:42 am, wrote: On Jan 3, 10:27 am, BAR wrote: John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:11:48 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 2, 7:01 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM Lyle Fisher VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California has turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed emergency surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home due to a lack of hospital beds. Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December 17th. Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the Lower Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck. Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the issue is a shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are highly specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to see those beds filled up. Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her mom is 'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home. NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's continued to plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government cuts to acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British Columbia was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and some of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that number." Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities issued reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short right now. The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things about any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things, and post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with global warming! The only good thing about the overtaxed, crappy health system is that it's 'free'. So what? There is nothing good about socialized medicine. And, it is not free. It costs you money, that you conveniently don't see, and it costs lives and livelihoods which end up costing the rest of us more. Pay for what you want and need in all things.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Tell all veterans that who use the V.A. system.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - They already paid with their service....- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Bull****. I wholeheartedly agree that they deserve good care. But there is no tangible amount they "paid". Why does there have to be a "tangible" amount, as you so adeptly put it?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Because he's saying he paid. How much? You do realize it's possible to "pay" with other than "tangible" assets, don't you?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Cool, whatcha got for sale? I have some imaginary, um.....stuff I'll pay you with. |
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On Jan 4, 9:25*am, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 05:10:52 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 3, 7:23*pm, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in ... My brother did not retire, but did spend 11 years active duty. *He gets VA medical care because of Agent Orange exposure. *He paid a lot for that "free" care.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, then, quantify it. How much did he pay? Here are some of the diseases associated with Agent Orange, Loogy. Chloracne Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma Soft tissue sarcoma Hodgkin's Disease Porphyria Cutanea Tarda (PCT) Multiple Myeloma Respiratory cancers (including cancers of the lung, larynx, trachea and bronchus) Prostate cancer Peripheral neuorapthy (acute or subacute) Type 2 Diabetes (Diabetes mellitus) Me, I'm right on the borderline for several of these, although I'm receiving nothing from VA for any of them...yet. I really think the best thing you could do for your attitude is visit a VA hospital and just walk around for an hour. Have a cup of coffee in the cafeteria. I'll buy. You're starting to sound like Harry with this stuff. You sure as hell don't want to sink to that low. -- John H I've been to several VA hospitals over the years. I've known several people using their services. I totally understand that the people who served our country should be taken care of. The facts remain. If you consider it as "pay" to what end? |
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On Jan 4, 8:54*am, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 08:46:13 -0500, "JimH" wrote: wrote in message ... On Jan 4, 8:16 am, wrote: On Jan 3, 5:39 pm, Jim wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM A friend of mine, here in the good 'ol USA, dislocated his knee a week and a half ago. Had to wait a week for the MRI and has a meeting with the surgeon next Monday. He's in intense pain and can't walk at all. He's a veteran and has a good HMO (Pacific Care). Is our system really that good? Awhile back, I came very close to dying. I have very good insurance. I waited in the emergency room for six hours, then two hours in triage, then another day and a half before a surgical suite would be available for the surgeon to get me in. It was so close at the end that he came and personally checked on me every half hour. So, please tell me where you would have rather been, Cuba, Britian, Iran.??? *Please, we will pitch in for a ticket if you want to be treated somewhere else... ================ Booger has exaggerated his story just a wee bit. * Anyone close to death does not wait 6 hours in any emergency room for care but is rushed right in and attended to, including immediate surgery if needed to save the life. **** you, you pussy little twit. Show me where I exaggerated anything. You a ****ing doctor now, asshole? Let me tell you, I had periotonitis when I went in. I sat there for six hours before seeing ANYONE besides that intake person. Prove me wrong you little ****head. My surgeon even stated that had I got the CT scan earlier that I wouldn't have had emergency surgery because they could have simply inserted a needle and took the node out that way, then when my blood count was back to normal, have elected surgery. But again, you just like being an asshole so **** you. What a big man, you can say that **** hiding behind salt's message but don't have the balls to say a damned thing to me directly. Unless, of course they don't have insurance, in which case they may be transferred to another hospital that is willing to take them, or simply put in a cab and dumped off on a street corner.- Hide quoted text - Sorry Salt, had to reply to that low life scum JimH. He'll probably now start saying nasty untrue things about my wife and kids. That's how he works. Almost makes me wish what I had on him, so he can see what to hell really happened. Hell, we were so frustrated that we've worked on, and got the hospital logs! |
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On Jan 4, 9:35*am, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 05:16:12 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 3, 5:39*pm, Jim wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM A friend of mine, here in the good 'ol USA, dislocated his knee a week and a half ago. *Had to wait a week for the MRI and has a meeting with the surgeon next Monday. *He's in intense pain and can't walk at all. He's a veteran and has a good HMO (Pacific Care). Is our system really that good? Awhile back, I came very close to dying. I have very good insurance. I waited in the emergency room for six hours, then two hours in triage, then another day and a half before a surgical suite would be available for the surgeon to get me in. It was so close at the end that he came and personally checked on me every half hour. I find it hard to believe that Jim's friend didn't receive any pain killers when he went to the emergency room. A week for an MRI and another couple days for an orthopedic surgeon is nothing. A couple months for each would be the story in many places, *if* he was lucky. You were either not close to dying, or you were quickly stabilized in the emergency room. *Or*, which may be possible, you had a potful of illegal immigrants clogging up the whole show. For your information, Dr., I was only a few more hours from dead. My surgeon also told me had I not had to wait that long, I would have avoided emergency surgery and been able to have one elected surgery instead of an emergency surgery then an elected one four months later. I love how you and JimH think you know more about my misfortune than I, or my surgeon does. Now about that quickly stabilized crap. You go into the emergency room, you talk to an intake person, not a doctor, not a nurse, a paper pusher. Then you wait. That intake person can do nothing to you. I was there for better than two hours when someone came to me. It was the financial lady wanting to know about my insurance. I told her I couldn't get up, so she got me a wheelchair. After talking with her, I asked the intake lady to PLEASE hurry, "I think something is seriously wrong". A guy with a swollen foot went before me! Here, AVERAGE wait, almost 4 hours: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15487676/ You guys complain of waits of hours or days. Imagine waits of months and more months, and then flying to another country to get yourself fixed. -- You only use, and show the bad things. |
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wrote in message ... On Jan 3, 7:23 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in ... D.Duck wrote: wrote in message ... On Jan 3, 10:50 am, wrote: On Jan 3, 10:42 am, wrote: On Jan 3, 10:27 am, BAR wrote: John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:11:48 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 2, 7:01 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM Lyle Fisher VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California has turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed emergency surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home due to a lack of hospital beds. Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December 17th. Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the Lower Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck. Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the issue is a shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are highly specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to see those beds filled up. Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her mom is 'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home. NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's continued to plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government cuts to acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British Columbia was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and some of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that number." Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities issued reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short right now. The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things about any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things, and post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with global warming! The only good thing about the overtaxed, crappy health system is that it's 'free'. So what? There is nothing good about socialized medicine. And, it is not free. It costs you money, that you conveniently don't see, and it costs lives and livelihoods which end up costing the rest of us more. Pay for what you want and need in all things.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Tell all veterans that who use the V.A. system.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - They already paid with their service....- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Bull****. I wholeheartedly agree that they deserve good care. But there is no tangible amount they "paid". Why does there have to be a "tangible" amount, as you so adeptly put it? If I am not mistaken, the VA healthcare plan in some manner, is included in their compensation package. The same way most large companies include a healthcare plan as part of their compensation package. I really don't know the details of the military plan, but if you retired from the military, you really do expect them to honor the compensation package everyone agreed to. The tangible part is the salary you deferred to cover the cost of your healthcare. My brother did not retire, but did spend 11 years active duty. He gets VA medical care because of Agent Orange exposure. He paid a lot for that "free" care.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, then, quantify it. How much did he pay? A lot of his health. How much do you pay for your health care? Some greenbacks? How about Prostrate problems, shaky hands, major possibility of cancer. Memories of rocket attacks killing and maiming your coworkers. A hell of a lot more than you loogie. You and HK seem to fit together. No real care for the rest of the people. |
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wrote in message ... On Jan 4, 8:49 am, "D.Duck" wrote: wrote in message ... On Jan 3, 2:07 pm, "D.Duck" wrote: wrote in message ... On Jan 3, 10:50 am, wrote: On Jan 3, 10:42 am, wrote: On Jan 3, 10:27 am, BAR wrote: John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:11:48 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 2, 7:01 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM Lyle Fisher VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California has turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed emergency surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home due to a lack of hospital beds. Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December 17th. Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the Lower Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck. Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the issue is a shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are highly specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to see those beds filled up. Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her mom is 'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home. NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's continued to plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government cuts to acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British Columbia was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and some of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that number." Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities issued reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short right now. The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things about any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things, and post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with global warming! The only good thing about the overtaxed, crappy health system is that it's 'free'. So what? There is nothing good about socialized medicine. And, it is not free. It costs you money, that you conveniently don't see, and it costs lives and livelihoods which end up costing the rest of us more. Pay for what you want and need in all things.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Tell all veterans that who use the V.A. system.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - They already paid with their service....- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Bull****. I wholeheartedly agree that they deserve good care. But there is no tangible amount they "paid". Why does there have to be a "tangible" amount, as you so adeptly put it?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Because he's saying he paid. How much? You do realize it's possible to "pay" with other than "tangible" assets, don't you?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Cool, whatcha got for sale? I have some imaginary, um.....stuff I'll pay you with. How about a service person who pays with the the loss of his/her limb? |
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wrote in message ... On Jan 4, 8:49 am, "D.Duck" wrote: wrote in message ... On Jan 3, 2:07 pm, "D.Duck" wrote: wrote in message ... On Jan 3, 10:50 am, wrote: On Jan 3, 10:42 am, wrote: On Jan 3, 10:27 am, BAR wrote: John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:11:48 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 2, 7:01 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM Lyle Fisher VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California has turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed emergency surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home due to a lack of hospital beds. Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December 17th. Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the Lower Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck. Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the issue is a shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are highly specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to see those beds filled up. Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her mom is 'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home. NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's continued to plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government cuts to acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British Columbia was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and some of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that number." Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities issued reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short right now. The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things about any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things, and post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with global warming! The only good thing about the overtaxed, crappy health system is that it's 'free'. So what? There is nothing good about socialized medicine. And, it is not free. It costs you money, that you conveniently don't see, and it costs lives and livelihoods which end up costing the rest of us more. Pay for what you want and need in all things.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Tell all veterans that who use the V.A. system.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - They already paid with their service....- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Bull****. I wholeheartedly agree that they deserve good care. But there is no tangible amount they "paid". Why does there have to be a "tangible" amount, as you so adeptly put it?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Because he's saying he paid. How much? You do realize it's possible to "pay" with other than "tangible" assets, don't you?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Cool, whatcha got for sale? I have some imaginary, um.....stuff I'll pay you with. You could pay with your brain, but that is lacking any worth. |
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Calif Bill wrote:
wrote in message ... On Jan 3, 7:23 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in ... D.Duck wrote: wrote in message ... On Jan 3, 10:50 am, wrote: On Jan 3, 10:42 am, wrote: On Jan 3, 10:27 am, BAR wrote: John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:11:48 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 2, 7:01 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM Lyle Fisher VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California has turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed emergency surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home due to a lack of hospital beds. Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December 17th. Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the Lower Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck. Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the issue is a shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are highly specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to see those beds filled up. Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her mom is 'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home. NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's continued to plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government cuts to acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British Columbia was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and some of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that number." Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities issued reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short right now. The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things about any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things, and post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with global warming! The only good thing about the overtaxed, crappy health system is that it's 'free'. So what? There is nothing good about socialized medicine. And, it is not free. It costs you money, that you conveniently don't see, and it costs lives and livelihoods which end up costing the rest of us more. Pay for what you want and need in all things.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Tell all veterans that who use the V.A. system.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - They already paid with their service....- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Bull****. I wholeheartedly agree that they deserve good care. But there is no tangible amount they "paid". Why does there have to be a "tangible" amount, as you so adeptly put it? If I am not mistaken, the VA healthcare plan in some manner, is included in their compensation package. The same way most large companies include a healthcare plan as part of their compensation package. I really don't know the details of the military plan, but if you retired from the military, you really do expect them to honor the compensation package everyone agreed to. The tangible part is the salary you deferred to cover the cost of your healthcare. My brother did not retire, but did spend 11 years active duty. He gets VA medical care because of Agent Orange exposure. He paid a lot for that "free" care.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, then, quantify it. How much did he pay? A lot of his health. How much do you pay for your health care? Some greenbacks? How about Prostrate problems, shaky hands, major possibility of cancer. Memories of rocket attacks killing and maiming your coworkers. A hell of a lot more than you loogie. You and HK seem to fit together. No real care for the rest of the people. I'm in favor of universal health insurance coverage and that in your mind makes you believe I am opposed to "real care" for the "rest of the people? I've also stated several times my belief that vets are being shortchanged on their medical care. I'd call you retarded, but there is no need to insult those among us who are mentally disabled or disadvantaged. So I guess you are just plain stupid. -- George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever! |
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wrote in message ... On Jan 4, 8:54 am, wrote: On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 08:46:13 -0500, "JimH" wrote: wrote in message ... On Jan 4, 8:16 am, wrote: On Jan 3, 5:39 pm, Jim wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM A friend of mine, here in the good 'ol USA, dislocated his knee a week and a half ago. Had to wait a week for the MRI and has a meeting with the surgeon next Monday. He's in intense pain and can't walk at all. He's a veteran and has a good HMO (Pacific Care). Is our system really that good? Awhile back, I came very close to dying. I have very good insurance. I waited in the emergency room for six hours, then two hours in triage, then another day and a half before a surgical suite would be available for the surgeon to get me in. It was so close at the end that he came and personally checked on me every half hour. So, please tell me where you would have rather been, Cuba, Britian, Iran.??? Please, we will pitch in for a ticket if you want to be treated somewhere else... ================ Booger has exaggerated his story just a wee bit. Anyone close to death does not wait 6 hours in any emergency room for care but is rushed right in and attended to, including immediate surgery if needed to save the life. **** you, you pussy little twit. Show me where I exaggerated anything. You a ****ing doctor now, asshole? Let me tell you, I had periotonitis when I went in. I sat there for six hours before seeing ANYONE besides that intake person. Prove me wrong you little ****head. My surgeon even stated that had I got the CT scan earlier that I wouldn't have had emergency surgery because they could have simply inserted a needle and took the node out that way, then when my blood count was back to normal, have elected surgery. But again, you just like being an asshole so **** you. What a big man, you can say that **** hiding behind salt's message but don't have the balls to say a damned thing to me directly. Unless, of course they don't have insurance, in which case they may be transferred to another hospital that is willing to take them, or simply put in a cab and dumped off on a street corner.- Hide quoted text - Sorry Salt, had to reply to that low life scum JimH. He'll probably now start saying nasty untrue things about my wife and kids. That's how he works. Almost makes me wish what I had on him, so he can see what to hell really happened. Hell, we were so frustrated that we've worked on, and got the hospital logs! Was the required union supplied clerk that screwed you. |
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On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 09:48:07 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 4, 9:35*am, John H. wrote: On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 05:16:12 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 3, 5:39*pm, Jim wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM A friend of mine, here in the good 'ol USA, dislocated his knee a week and a half ago. *Had to wait a week for the MRI and has a meeting with the surgeon next Monday. *He's in intense pain and can't walk at all. He's a veteran and has a good HMO (Pacific Care). Is our system really that good? Awhile back, I came very close to dying. I have very good insurance. I waited in the emergency room for six hours, then two hours in triage, then another day and a half before a surgical suite would be available for the surgeon to get me in. It was so close at the end that he came and personally checked on me every half hour. I find it hard to believe that Jim's friend didn't receive any pain killers when he went to the emergency room. A week for an MRI and another couple days for an orthopedic surgeon is nothing. A couple months for each would be the story in many places, *if* he was lucky. You were either not close to dying, or you were quickly stabilized in the emergency room. *Or*, which may be possible, you had a potful of illegal immigrants clogging up the whole show. For your information, Dr., I was only a few more hours from dead. My surgeon also told me had I not had to wait that long, I would have avoided emergency surgery and been able to have one elected surgery instead of an emergency surgery then an elected one four months later. I love how you and JimH think you know more about my misfortune than I, or my surgeon does. Now about that quickly stabilized crap. You go into the emergency room, you talk to an intake person, not a doctor, not a nurse, a paper pusher. Then you wait. That intake person can do nothing to you. I was there for better than two hours when someone came to me. It was the financial lady wanting to know about my insurance. I told her I couldn't get up, so she got me a wheelchair. After talking with her, I asked the intake lady to PLEASE hurry, "I think something is seriously wrong". A guy with a swollen foot went before me! Here, AVERAGE wait, almost 4 hours: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15487676/ You guys complain of waits of hours or days. Imagine waits of months and more months, and then flying to another country to get yourself fixed. -- You only use, and show the bad things. The bad things are what makes it suck! -- John H |
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JimH wrote:
... ================ Booger has exaggerated his story just a wee bit. Anyone close to death does not wait 6 hours in any emergency room for care but is rushed right in and attended to, including immediate surgery if needed to save the life. You must be living in a dream world. I have no idea what happened when Loogie went to the ER, but it is not unusual for triage to make some major misdiagnoses resulting in death or near death experience. His claim that a triage mistake almost resulted in a death is completely possible. |
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On Jan 4, 8:28*pm, Dan wrote:
wrote: On Jan 4, 8:49 am, "D.Duck" wrote: wrote in message .... On Jan 3, 2:07 pm, "D.Duck" wrote: wrote in message .... On Jan 3, 10:50 am, wrote: On Jan 3, 10:42 am, wrote: On Jan 3, 10:27 am, BAR wrote: John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:11:48 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 2, 7:01 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM Lyle Fisher VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California has turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed emergency surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home due to a lack of hospital beds. Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December 17th. Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the Lower Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck. Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the issue is a shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are highly specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to see those beds filled up. Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her mom is 'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home. NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's continued to plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government cuts to acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British Columbia was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and some of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that number." Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities issued reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short right now. The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things about any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things, and post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with global warming! The only good thing about the overtaxed, crappy health system is that it's 'free'. So what? There is nothing good about socialized medicine. And, it is not free. It costs you money, that you conveniently don't see, and it costs lives and livelihoods which end up costing the rest of us more. Pay for what you want and need in all things.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Tell all veterans that who use the V.A. system.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - They already paid with their service....- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Bull****. I wholeheartedly agree that they deserve good care. But there is no tangible amount they "paid". Why does there have to be a "tangible" amount, as you so adeptly put it?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Because he's saying he paid. How much? You do realize it's possible to "pay" with other than "tangible" assets, don't you?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Cool, whatcha got for sale? I have some imaginary, um.....stuff I'll pay you with. Is that what your calling it now, Sally? *I thought it was for a friend - for medicinal purposes.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Took me a second.. ;O |
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On Jan 4, 8:28*pm, Dan wrote:
wrote: On Jan 4, 8:49 am, "D.Duck" wrote: wrote in message .... On Jan 3, 2:07 pm, "D.Duck" wrote: wrote in message .... On Jan 3, 10:50 am, wrote: On Jan 3, 10:42 am, wrote: On Jan 3, 10:27 am, BAR wrote: John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:11:48 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 2, 7:01 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM Lyle Fisher VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California has turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed emergency surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home due to a lack of hospital beds. Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December 17th. Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the Lower Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck. Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the issue is a shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are highly specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to see those beds filled up. Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her mom is 'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home. NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's continued to plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government cuts to acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British Columbia was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and some of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that number." Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities issued reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short right now. The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things about any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things, and post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with global warming! The only good thing about the overtaxed, crappy health system is that it's 'free'. So what? There is nothing good about socialized medicine. And, it is not free. It costs you money, that you conveniently don't see, and it costs lives and livelihoods which end up costing the rest of us more. Pay for what you want and need in all things.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Tell all veterans that who use the V.A. system.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - They already paid with their service....- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Bull****. I wholeheartedly agree that they deserve good care. But there is no tangible amount they "paid". Why does there have to be a "tangible" amount, as you so adeptly put it?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Because he's saying he paid. How much? You do realize it's possible to "pay" with other than "tangible" assets, don't you?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Cool, whatcha got for sale? I have some imaginary, um.....stuff I'll pay you with. Is that what your calling it now, Sally? *I thought it was for a friend - for medicinal purposes.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hello Rec.Boats **** Boy! |
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On Jan 4, 8:21*pm, Dan wrote:
wrote: On Jan 3, 5:39 pm, Jim wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM A friend of mine, here in the good 'ol USA, dislocated his knee a week and a half ago. *Had to wait a week for the MRI and has a meeting with the surgeon next Monday. *He's in intense pain and can't walk at all. He's a veteran and has a good HMO (Pacific Care). Is our system really that good? Awhile back, I came very close to dying. I have very good insurance. I waited in the emergency room for six hours, then two hours in triage, then another day and a half before a surgical suite would be available for the surgeon to get me in. It was so close at the end that he came and personally checked on me every half hour. That's either a huge lie or Atlanta is different than the rest of the US.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Okay, **** Boy, show me where I'm wrong.......... |
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On Jan 5, 11:04*am, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 07:55:10 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 4, 8:28*pm, Dan wrote: wrote: On Jan 4, 8:49 am, "D.Duck" wrote: wrote in message ... On Jan 3, 2:07 pm, "D.Duck" wrote: wrote in message ... On Jan 3, 10:50 am, wrote: On Jan 3, 10:42 am, wrote: On Jan 3, 10:27 am, BAR wrote: John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:11:48 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 2, 7:01 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM Lyle Fisher VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California has turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed emergency surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home due to a lack of hospital beds. Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December 17th. Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the Lower Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck. Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the issue is a shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are highly specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to see those beds filled up. Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her mom is 'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home. NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's continued to plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government cuts to acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British Columbia was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and some of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that number." Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities issued reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short right now. The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things about any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things, and post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with global warming! The only good thing about the overtaxed, crappy health system is that it's 'free'. So what? There is nothing good about socialized medicine. And, it is not free. It costs you money, that you conveniently don't see, and it costs lives and livelihoods which end up costing the rest of us more. Pay for what you want and need in all things.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Tell all veterans that who use the V.A. system.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - They already paid with their service....- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Bull****. I wholeheartedly agree that they deserve good care. But there is no tangible amount they "paid". Why does there have to be a "tangible" amount, as you so adeptly put it?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Because he's saying he paid. How much? You do realize it's possible to "pay" with other than "tangible" assets, don't you?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Cool, whatcha got for sale? I have some imaginary, um.....stuff I'll pay you with. Is that what your calling it now, Sally? *I thought it was for a friend - for medicinal purposes.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hello Rec.Boats **** Boy! That's nice loog. You'll fit right in with Hary and Doug. -- John H- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - He is what he is. |
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Michael Moore would be proud...
On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 08:20:20 -0500, HK wrote:
JG2U wrote: On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 07:50:09 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 06:22:06 -0500, HK wrote: wrote: On Jan 3, 8:43 pm, HK wrote: BAR wrote: Get rid of all entitlements that are not earned by service or sacrifice above and beyond bearing a child and chasing away the father. We want them to get health care. However, the illegal immigrants who need health care should be given a shot of penicillin and put on a plane back to their country of most recent citizenship. Conservation of capital. Conservation of what I earn. Conservation of my property. Conservation of the the country. There's nothing quite like these Christian conservatives. :} We are a well raised and proud bunch aren't we.. Of course...too inbred and stupid to know any better. That that is exactly why the Democrats will lose the election - that attitude right there. Sorry, not interested in moving backwards with the evangelicals. You are so clueless it is unreal. You can not want a conservative candidate to be elected, you can completely disagree with the religious right on all of their positions, with calling them inbred and stupid. You like to pretend you have worked with congressional candidates, but NO CANDIDATE would ever associate themselves with someone like you. It would be the kiss of death for their campaign. Harry is a bigot and a racist. He's the worst of the intolerant liberal trash in this NG. The essence of "conservative" Christianity: " However, the illegal immigrants who need health care should be given a shot of penicillin and put on a plane back to their country of most recent citizenship. Conservation of capital. Conservation of what I earn. Conservation of my property. Conservation of the the country." Translated: I got mine. Screw you. I'm really enjoying Huckabee getting so much attention. It's ripping the Republicans apart. Unfortunately, Mike is a real Christian who believes we should do something to eleviate the poor's suffering. Ouch. That doesn't match up with the "Christians" TM who wonder who are certain Jesus would approve of using taxpayer revenues to kill radical Muslims and a few hundred thousand bystanders while the poor in our county receive substandard education and a good kick in the teeth, the damage from which they can pay for themselves. Christians TM, pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffft. |
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On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 01:22:42 -0800, jps wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 19:24:15 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 3, 8:43*pm, HK wrote: BAR wrote: Get rid of all entitlements that are not earned by service or sacrifice above and beyond bearing a child and chasing away the father. We want them to get health care. However, the illegal immigrants who need health care should be given a shot of penicillin and put on a plane back to their country of most recent citizenship. Conservation of capital. Conservation of what I earn. Conservation of my property. Conservation of the the country. There's nothing quite like these Christian conservatives. *:} We are a well raised and proud bunch aren't we.. And dumb as freakin' stumps it appears. It's so wonderful to have you back. Harry, Doug, and Loogy missed you tremendously. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
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