Michael Moore would be proud...
 

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jan 3, 9:35�am, BAR wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:





Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 3, 10:23 am, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:11:48 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 2, 7:01 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM
Lyle Fisher
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California has
turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed emergency
surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home due
to a
lack of hospital beds.
Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December 17th.
Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the Lower
Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck.
Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the issue
is a
shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are highly
specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to see
those beds filled up.
Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be
transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her
mom is
'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home.
NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's
continued to
plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government cuts to
acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British Columbia
was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and some
of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that number."
Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities issued
reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short right
now.
The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things about
any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things, and
post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with
global warming!
The only good thing about the overtaxed, crappy health system is
that it's
'free'. So what?
--
John H- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
So are you saying that the Veteran's Administration's health system is
crappy?
In many areas and aspects the VA health care does suck. �I am for
universal health care, because the system we have today is Universal
health care, but you just have to get very sick and go to the ER
before it is available. �We all are already paying for universal
healthcare, at substantially higher prices than we need to. �It is
cheaper to take care of a minor problem with a RN or in a clinic, than
wait till it is a major problem.
Plus, if we had Universal Health Care, most of the people who are
uninsured today, who we are already paying for their care, would pay
some or all of their healthcare insurance.
You are a "progressive" in disguise and I say that with all due negative
connotation.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You're a Progressive as well, unless you're willing to sit outside the
door to the Emergency Room door and stop every gurney wheeling
somebody inside. "Hey, wait! That guy bleeding from his artery goes
nowhere until we can be sure he has either the insurance or the money
to pay for his care! How do we know he isn't some illegal alien? Good
lord, worse yet, he might even be a liberal! Stop! Stop I say, until
we can determine whether this victim is financially and politically
qualified to be saved!" :-) (not that you seriously would ever do
that, of course)

I like your plan Chuck. We could set up the HSA and guard the gates to
the hospitals.

In the end, the ER at the local hospital becomes the de-facto public
health clinic. Nobody is turned away, and those of us who can afford
insurance and buy it absorb, (through our premiums) the costs of
caring for people who cannot afford insurance. Like Reggie observed,
we are *already* providing at least emergency level health care to
everybody in this country- but in a very inefficient and ridiculously
expensive manner. It's like feeding the homeless by renting a banquet
room at the most expensive hotel or restaurant in town. (I'm sure the
owners of the 5-star restaurants and premium hotels would appreciate
the extra business). Money spent to treat disease in the early stages
is miuch cheaper than waiting until an ER situation arises.

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

BAR wrote:

You're a Progressive as well, unless you're willing to sit outside the
door to the Emergency Room door and stop every gurney wheeling
somebody inside. "Hey, wait! That guy bleeding from his artery goes
nowhere until we can be sure he has either the insurance or the money
to pay for his care! How do we know he isn't some illegal alien? Good
lord, worse yet, he might even be a liberal! Stop! Stop I say, until
we can determine whether this victim is financially and politically
qualified to be saved!" :-) (not that you seriously would ever do
that, of course)

I like your plan Chuck. We could set up the HSA and guard the gates to
the hospitals.

We could use Hell's Angles, the same as the Rolling Stones did at
Altmount, they are cheaper and might be willing to work for tips.

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM


A friend of mine, here in the good 'ol USA, dislocated his knee a week
and a half ago. Had to wait a week for the MRI and has a meeting with
the surgeon next Monday. He's in intense pain and can't walk at all.

He's a veteran and has a good HMO (Pacific Care).

Is our system really that good?

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

On Jan 3, 4:52*pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
BAR wrote:
You're a Progressive as well, unless you're willing to sit outside the
door to the Emergency Room door and stop every gurney wheeling
somebody inside. "Hey, wait! That guy bleeding from his artery goes
nowhere until we can be sure he has either the insurance or the money
to pay for his care! How do we know he isn't some illegal alien? Good
lord, worse yet, he might even be a liberal! Stop! Stop I say, until
we can determine whether this victim is financially and politically
qualified to be saved!" *:-) *(not that you seriously would ever do
that, of course)

I like your plan Chuck. We could set up the HSA and guard the gates to
the hospitals.

We could use Hell's Angles, the same as the Rolling Stones did at
Altmount, they are cheaper and might be willing to work for tips.

Deep Purple used them once at Colt Park and some guy climbed over the
fence. They beat the living **** out of the guy, teeth all over the
place, left him sitting inside the fence, told him he had paid fair
admission. What a frekin' bloody mess the guy was. Not hearsay, I saw
the whole thing from about 20 yards....;)

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

BAR wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jan 3, 9:35�am, BAR wrote:






You're a Progressive as well, unless you're willing to sit outside the
door to the Emergency Room door and stop every gurney wheeling
somebody inside. "Hey, wait! That guy bleeding from his artery goes
nowhere until we can be sure he has either the insurance or the money
to pay for his care! How do we know he isn't some illegal alien? Good
lord, worse yet, he might even be a liberal! Stop! Stop I say, until
we can determine whether this victim is financially and politically
qualified to be saved!" :-) (not that you seriously would ever do
that, of course)




I like your plan Chuck. We could set up the HSA and guard the gates to
the hospitals.



Any MS 13 boys in your area who make house calls?

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 3, 10:23 am, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:11:48 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 2, 7:01 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM
Lyle Fisher
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California has
turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed emergency
surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home due to
a
lack of hospital beds.
Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December 17th.
Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the Lower
Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck.
Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the issue is
a
shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are highly
specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to see
those beds filled up.
Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be
transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her mom
is
'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home.
NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's continued
to
plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government cuts
to
acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British Columbia
was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and
some
of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that number."
Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities issued
reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short
right
now.
The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things about
any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things, and
post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with
global warming!
The only good thing about the overtaxed, crappy health system is that
it's
'free'. So what?
--
John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So are you saying that the Veteran's Administration's health system is
crappy?

In many areas and aspects the VA health care does suck. I am for
universal health care, because the system we have today is Universal
health care, but you just have to get very sick and go to the ER before
it is available. We all are already paying for universal healthcare, at
substantially higher prices than we need to. It is cheaper to take care
of a minor problem with a RN or in a clinic, than wait till it is a
major problem.


Plus, if we had Universal Health Care, most of the people who are
uninsured today, who we are already paying for their care, would pay some
or all of their healthcare insurance.


You are a "progressive" in disguise and I say that with all due negative
connotation.

You're quite a piece of work Bertie.
What about being your brothers keeper... or does your christianity end
midnight Christmas day?.

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jan 3, 9:35�am, BAR wrote:






You're a Progressive as well, unless you're willing to sit outside the
door to the Emergency Room door and stop every gurney wheeling
somebody inside. "Hey, wait! That guy bleeding from his artery goes
nowhere until we can be sure he has either the insurance or the money
to pay for his care! How do we know he isn't some illegal alien? Good
lord, worse yet, he might even be a liberal! Stop! Stop I say, until
we can determine whether this victim is financially and politically
qualified to be saved!" :-) (not that you seriously would ever do
that, of course)




I like your plan Chuck. We could set up the HSA and guard the gates to
the hospitals.



Any MS 13 boys in your area who make house calls?

Why, Are you going to use your "connections" and have me rubbed out?

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jan 3, 9:35�am, BAR wrote:






You're a Progressive as well, unless you're willing to sit outside the
door to the Emergency Room door and stop every gurney wheeling
somebody inside. "Hey, wait! That guy bleeding from his artery goes
nowhere until we can be sure he has either the insurance or the money
to pay for his care! How do we know he isn't some illegal alien? Good
lord, worse yet, he might even be a liberal! Stop! Stop I say, until
we can determine whether this victim is financially and politically
qualified to be saved!" :-) (not that you seriously would ever do
that, of course)




I like your plan Chuck. We could set up the HSA and guard the gates
to the hospitals.



Any MS 13 boys in your area who make house calls?

Why, Are you going to use your "connections" and have me rubbed out?


You're not worth it. No, I don't know any MS-13 guys.



--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

Don White wrote:


You are a "progressive" in disguise and I say that with all due negative
connotation.

You're quite a piece of work Bertie.
What about being your brothers keeper... or does your christianity end
midnight Christmas day?.



Bertie is one of those modern Republican Christian conservatives. You
know, "I've got mine, so screw you."
A real disciple of Jesus, eh?


--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:11:48 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 2, 7:01*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM

Lyle Fisher
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California has
turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed emergency
surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home due to a
lack of hospital beds.

Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December 17th.
Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the Lower
Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck.

Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the issue is a
shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are highly
specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to see
those beds filled up.

Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be
transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her mom is
'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home.

NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's continued to
plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government cuts to
acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British Columbia
was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and some
of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that number."

Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities issued
reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short right
now.

The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things about
any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things, and
post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with
global warming!

If it were up to them, all air would look like Los Angeles', the water
would resemble Love Canal in the 70s and we'd be ingesting carcinogens
with every bite.

Business and industry should always be left to profit unfettered for
those who believe in the sanctity of life -- that is right up until
you're born. Then you'd bloody well better be prepared to pull
yourself up by your bootstraps and pay for your portion of our
national debt, currently estimated at $40K/person at the time of
birth.

That's debt to pay not for health care, it's to pay for bombs, an
under-valued military and tax breaks for business and the rich.

Hell, the conservatives don't even want to give health care to the
thousands of kids who come home maimed from our oil wars.

Conservatives - there's little about them that is.

jps

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:54:47 -0500, HK wrote:

Don White wrote:


You are a "progressive" in disguise and I say that with all due negative
connotation.

You're quite a piece of work Bertie.
What about being your brothers keeper... or does your christianity end
midnight Christmas day?.



Bertie is one of those modern Republican Christian conservatives. You
know, "I've got mine, so screw you."
A real disciple of Jesus, eh?

He did ask some pretty relevant questions that you might answer:

Do you really want to start the personal attacks again Krause? Or, are
you happy being the laughing stock of the newsgroup?

I have never lied about my education. Can you say truthfully that you
have never lied about your education?

I have never lied about my employment record. Can you say truthfully
that you never lied about your employment record?

I have never lied about personal accomplishments. Can you say truthfully
that you have never lied about your personal accomplishments?

Maybe one of your two buddies would answer them *for* you!
--
John H

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Jan 3, 10:50 am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 10:42 am, wrote:





On Jan 3, 10:27 am, BAR wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:11:48 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 2, 7:01 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM
Lyle Fisher
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California has
turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed
emergency
surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home due
to a
lack of hospital beds.
Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December 17th.
Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the Lower
Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck.
Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the issue
is a
shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are highly
specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to see
those beds filled up.
Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be
transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her mom
is
'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home.
NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's continued
to
plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government cuts
to
acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British Columbia
was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and
some
of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that number."
Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities issued
reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short
right
now.
The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things about
any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things, and
post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with
global warming!
The only good thing about the overtaxed, crappy health system is that
it's
'free'. So what?
There is nothing good about socialized medicine.
And, it is not free. It costs you money, that you conveniently don't
see, and it costs lives and livelihoods which end up costing the rest
of
us more.
Pay for what you want and need in all things.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Tell all veterans that who use the V.A. system.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
They already paid with their service....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bull****. I wholeheartedly agree that they deserve good care. But
there is no tangible amount they "paid".

Why does there have to be a "tangible" amount, as you so adeptly put it?

If I am not mistaken, the VA healthcare plan in some manner, is included
in their compensation package. The same way most large companies include
a healthcare plan as part of their compensation package. I really don't
know the details of the military plan, but if you retired from the
military, you really do expect them to honor the compensation package
everyone agreed to. The tangible part is the salary you deferred to cover
the cost of your healthcare.




My brother did not retire, but did spend 11 years active duty. He gets VA
medical care because of Agent Orange exposure. He paid a lot for that
"free" care.

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

jps wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:11:48 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 2, 7:01 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM

Lyle Fisher
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California has
turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed emergency
surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home due to a
lack of hospital beds.

Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December 17th.
Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the Lower
Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck.

Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the issue is a
shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are highly
specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to see
those beds filled up.

Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be
transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her mom is
'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home.

NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's continued to
plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government cuts to
acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British Columbia
was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and some
of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that number."

Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities issued
reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short right
now.
The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things about
any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things, and
post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with
global warming!

If it were up to them, all air would look like Los Angeles', the water
would resemble Love Canal in the 70s and we'd be ingesting carcinogens
with every bite.

I guess you are taking your show on the road to modern China next week.
There may still be time to clean up Bejing's environment prior to the
Summer Olympics.

Business and industry should always be left to profit unfettered for
those who believe in the sanctity of life -- that is right up until
you're born. Then you'd bloody well better be prepared to pull
yourself up by your bootstraps and pay for your portion of our
national debt, currently estimated at $40K/person at the time of
birth.

Keep Congress out of session for two years and that will clear up.

That's debt to pay not for health care, it's to pay for bombs, an
under-valued military and tax breaks for business and the rich.

Get rid of all entitlements that are not earned by service or sacrifice
above and beyond bearing a child and chasing away the father.

Hell, the conservatives don't even want to give health care to the
thousands of kids who come home maimed from our oil wars.

We want them to get health care. However, the illegal immigrants who
need health care should be given a shot of penicillin and put on a plane
back to their country of most recent citizenship.


Conservatives - there's little about them that is.

Conservation of capital. Conservation of what I earn. Conservation of my
property. Conservation of the the country.

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

BAR wrote:




Get rid of all entitlements that are not earned by service or sacrifice
above and beyond bearing a child and chasing away the father.



We want them to get health care. However, the illegal immigrants who
need health care should be given a shot of penicillin and put on a plane
back to their country of most recent citizenship.



Conservation of capital. Conservation of what I earn. Conservation of my
property. Conservation of the the country.



There's nothing quite like these Christian conservatives. :}

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

On Jan 3, 8:43*pm, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:

Get rid of all entitlements that are not earned by service or sacrifice
above and beyond bearing a child and chasing away the father.

We want them to get health care. However, the illegal immigrants who
need health care should be given a shot of penicillin and put on a plane
back to their country of most recent citizenship.

Conservation of capital. Conservation of what I earn. Conservation of my
property. Conservation of the the country.

There's nothing quite like these Christian conservatives. *:}

We are a well raised and proud bunch aren't we..

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 3, 8:43 pm, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:

Get rid of all entitlements that are not earned by service or sacrifice
above and beyond bearing a child and chasing away the father.
We want them to get health care. However, the illegal immigrants who
need health care should be given a shot of penicillin and put on a
plane
back to their country of most recent citizenship.
Conservation of capital. Conservation of what I earn. Conservation
of my
property. Conservation of the the country.
There's nothing quite like these Christian conservatives. :}

We are a well raised and proud bunch aren't we..

Of course...too inbred and stupid to know any better.

So those people who consider themselves Christians and Conservative are
inbred and stupid. I didn't realize that.

I really don't label myself either, so I must be well bred and
intelligent.

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 06:22:06 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Jan 3, 8:43 pm, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:

Get rid of all entitlements that are not earned by service or sacrifice
above and beyond bearing a child and chasing away the father.
We want them to get health care. However, the illegal immigrants who
need health care should be given a shot of penicillin and put on a plane
back to their country of most recent citizenship.
Conservation of capital. Conservation of what I earn. Conservation of my
property. Conservation of the the country.
There's nothing quite like these Christian conservatives. :}

We are a well raised and proud bunch aren't we..

Of course...too inbred and stupid to know any better.

That that is exactly why the Democrats will lose the election - that
attitude right there.

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 06:22:06 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Jan 3, 8:43 pm, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:

Get rid of all entitlements that are not earned by service or sacrifice
above and beyond bearing a child and chasing away the father.
We want them to get health care. However, the illegal immigrants who
need health care should be given a shot of penicillin and put on a plane
back to their country of most recent citizenship.
Conservation of capital. Conservation of what I earn. Conservation of my
property. Conservation of the the country.
There's nothing quite like these Christian conservatives. :}
We are a well raised and proud bunch aren't we..
Of course...too inbred and stupid to know any better.

That that is exactly why the Democrats will lose the election - that
attitude right there.


Sorry, not interested in moving backwards with the evangelicals.


--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 06:22:06 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Jan 3, 8:43 pm, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:

Get rid of all entitlements that are not earned by service or
sacrifice
above and beyond bearing a child and chasing away the father.
We want them to get health care. However, the illegal immigrants who
need health care should be given a shot of penicillin and put on a
plane
back to their country of most recent citizenship.
Conservation of capital. Conservation of what I earn. Conservation
of my
property. Conservation of the the country.
There's nothing quite like these Christian conservatives. :}
We are a well raised and proud bunch aren't we..
Of course...too inbred and stupid to know any better.

That that is exactly why the Democrats will lose the election - that
attitude right there.


Sorry, not interested in moving backwards with the evangelicals.



You are so clueless it is unreal. You can not want a conservative
candidate to be elected, you can completely disagree with the religious
right on all of their positions, with calling them inbred and stupid.

You like to pretend you have worked with congressional candidates, but
NO CANDIDATE would ever associate themselves with someone like you. It
would be the kiss of death for their campaign.

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 06:22:06 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Jan 3, 8:43 pm, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:

Get rid of all entitlements that are not earned by service or
sacrifice
above and beyond bearing a child and chasing away the father.
We want them to get health care. However, the illegal immigrants who
need health care should be given a shot of penicillin and put on a
plane
back to their country of most recent citizenship.
Conservation of capital. Conservation of what I earn. Conservation
of my
property. Conservation of the the country.
There's nothing quite like these Christian conservatives. :}
We are a well raised and proud bunch aren't we..
Of course...too inbred and stupid to know any better.

That that is exactly why the Democrats will lose the election - that
attitude right there.


Sorry, not interested in moving backwards with the evangelicals.

We aren't interested in being pulled into a failed socialized,
progressive for you Chuck, system of government. We have seen the
dehumanizing that it does and we don't want any part of it.

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

On Jan 3, 7:23*pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in ...





D.Duck wrote:
wrote in message
....
On Jan 3, 10:50 am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 10:42 am, wrote:

On Jan 3, 10:27 am, BAR wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:11:48 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 2, 7:01 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM
Lyle Fisher
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California has
turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed
emergency
surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home due
to a
lack of hospital beds.
Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December 17th.
Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the Lower
Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck.
Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the issue
is a
shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are highly
specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to see
those beds filled up.
Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be
transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her mom
is
'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home.
NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's continued
to
plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government cuts
to
acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British Columbia
was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and
some
of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that number.."
Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities issued
reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short
right
now.
The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things about
any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things, and
post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with
global warming!
The only good thing about the overtaxed, crappy health system is that
it's
'free'. So what?
There is nothing good about socialized medicine.
And, it is not free. It costs you money, that you conveniently don't
see, and it costs lives and livelihoods which end up costing the rest
of
us more.
Pay for what you want and need in all things.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Tell all veterans that who use the V.A. system.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
They already paid with their service....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bull****. I wholeheartedly agree that they deserve good care. But
there is no tangible amount they "paid".

Why does there have to be a "tangible" amount, as you so adeptly put it?

If I am not mistaken, the VA healthcare plan in some manner, is included
in their compensation package. *The same way most large companies include
a healthcare plan as part of their compensation package. *I really don't
know the details of the military plan, but if you retired from the
military, you really do expect them to honor the compensation package
everyone agreed to. *The tangible part is the salary you deferred to cover
the cost of your healthcare.

My brother did not retire, but did spend 11 years active duty. *He gets VA
medical care because of Agent Orange exposure. *He paid a lot for that
"free" care.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, then, quantify it. How much did he pay?

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

On Jan 4, 7:50*am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 06:22:06 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Jan 3, 8:43 pm, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:

Get rid of all entitlements that are not earned by service or
sacrifice
above and beyond bearing a child and chasing away the father.
We want them to get health care. However, the illegal immigrants who
need health care should be given a shot of penicillin and put on a
plane
back to their country of most recent citizenship.
Conservation of capital. Conservation of what I earn. Conservation
of my
property. Conservation of the the country.
There's nothing quite like these Christian conservatives. *:}
We are a well raised and proud bunch aren't we..
Of course...too inbred and stupid to know any better.

That that is exactly why the Democrats will lose the election - that
attitude right there.

Sorry, not interested in moving backwards with the evangelicals.

You are so clueless it is unreal. *You can not want a conservative
candidate to be elected, you can completely disagree with the religious
right on all of their positions, with calling them inbred and stupid.

You like to pretend you have worked with congressional candidates, but
NO CANDIDATE would ever associate themselves with someone like you. *It
would be the kiss of death for their campaign.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Harry is the most intolerant and bigoted redneck in the group, On the
other hand I think there are plenty of liberals that would love to
have such an easy puppy to train...

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

On Jan 3, 2:07*pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Jan 3, 10:50 am, wrote:





On Jan 3, 10:42 am, wrote:

On Jan 3, 10:27 am, BAR wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:11:48 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 2, 7:01 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM

Lyle Fisher
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California has
turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed
emergency
surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home due
to a
lack of hospital beds.

Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December
17th.
Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the
Lower
Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck.

Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the issue
is a
shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are highly
specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to see
those beds filled up.

Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be
transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her
mom is
'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home.

NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's
continued to
plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government cuts
to
acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British
Columbia
was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and
some
of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that
number."

Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities
issued
reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short
right
now.
The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things
about
any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things, and
post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with
global warming!

The only good thing about the overtaxed, crappy health system is
that it's
'free'. So what?

There is nothing good about socialized medicine.

And, it is not free. It costs you money, that you conveniently don't
see, and it costs lives and livelihoods which end up costing the rest
of
us more.

Pay for what you want and need in all things.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Tell all veterans that who use the V.A. system.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

They already paid with their service....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bull****. I wholeheartedly agree that they deserve good care. But
there is no tangible amount they "paid".

Why does there have to be a "tangible" amount, as you so adeptly put it?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Because he's saying he paid.

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

On Jan 3, 2:39*pm, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:51:30 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 3, 10:50*am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 10:42*am, wrote:

On Jan 3, 10:27*am, BAR wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:11:48 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 2, 7:01 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM

Lyle Fisher
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California has
turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed emergency
surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home due to a
lack of hospital beds.

Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December 17th.
Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the Lower
Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck.

Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the issue is a
shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are highly
specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to see
those beds filled up.

Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be
transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her mom is
'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home.

NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's continued to
plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government cuts to
acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British Columbia
was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and some
of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that number."

Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities issued
reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short right
now.
The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things about
any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things, and
post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with
global warming!

The only good thing about the overtaxed, crappy health system is that it's
'free'. So what?

There is nothing good about socialized medicine.

And, it is not free. It costs you money, that you conveniently don't
see, and it costs lives and livelihoods which end up costing the rest of
us more.

Pay for what you want and need in all things.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Tell all veterans that who use the V.A. system.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

They already paid with their service....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bull****. I wholeheartedly agree that they deserve good care. But
there is no tangible amount they "paid".

How many body parts does it take to be 'tangible'?
--
John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That's exactly what I'm asking.

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

On Jan 3, 4:11*pm, wrote:
On Jan 3, 10:40*am, wrote:





On Jan 3, 9:41*am, wrote:

On Jan 3, 9:11*am, wrote:

On Jan 2, 7:01*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM

Lyle Fisher
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California has
turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed emergency
surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home due to a
lack of hospital beds.

Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December 17th..
Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the Lower
Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck.

Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the issue is a
shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are highly
specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to see
those beds filled up.

Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be
transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her mom is
'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home.

NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's continued to
plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government cuts to
acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British Columbia
was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and some
of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that number."

Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities issued
reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short right
now.

The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things about
any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things, and
post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with
global warming!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The problem we have with global warming. We have evidence on our side
that it is a phony scheme... Notably, the earth not getting warmer...
On your side, all you have is loug rhetoric with no physical facts
(except fudged ones) to back up your tax scheme...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Show me specific, end all evidence with supporting data that clearly
shows global warming to be a "phony scheme".- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Go see Al Gore's movie with a neutral fact checker...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Nice try.

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

On Jan 3, 5:39*pm, Jim wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM

A friend of mine, here in the good 'ol USA, dislocated his knee a week
and a half ago. *Had to wait a week for the MRI and has a meeting with
the surgeon next Monday. *He's in intense pain and can't walk at all.

He's a veteran and has a good HMO (Pacific Care).

Is our system really that good?

Awhile back, I came very close to dying. I have very good insurance. I
waited in the emergency room for six hours, then two hours in triage,
then another day and a half before a surgical suite would be available
for the surgeon to get me in. It was so close at the end that he came
and personally checked on me every half hour.

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

On Jan 4, 8:10*am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 7:23*pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:





"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in ...

D.Duck wrote:
wrote in message
....
On Jan 3, 10:50 am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 10:42 am, wrote:

On Jan 3, 10:27 am, BAR wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:11:48 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 2, 7:01 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM
Lyle Fisher
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California has
turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed
emergency
surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home due
to a
lack of hospital beds.
Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December 17th.
Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the Lower
Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck.
Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the issue
is a
shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are highly
specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to see
those beds filled up.
Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be
transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her mom
is
'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home.
NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's continued
to
plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government cuts
to
acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British Columbia
was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and
some
of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that number."
Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities issued
reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short
right
now.
The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things about
any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things, and
post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with
global warming!
The only good thing about the overtaxed, crappy health system is that
it's
'free'. So what?
There is nothing good about socialized medicine.
And, it is not free. It costs you money, that you conveniently don't
see, and it costs lives and livelihoods which end up costing the rest
of
us more.
Pay for what you want and need in all things.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Tell all veterans that who use the V.A. system.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
They already paid with their service....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bull****. I wholeheartedly agree that they deserve good care. But
there is no tangible amount they "paid".

Why does there have to be a "tangible" amount, as you so adeptly put it?

If I am not mistaken, the VA healthcare plan in some manner, is included
in their compensation package. *The same way most large companies include
a healthcare plan as part of their compensation package. *I really don't
know the details of the military plan, but if you retired from the
military, you really do expect them to honor the compensation package
everyone agreed to. *The tangible part is the salary you deferred to cover
the cost of your healthcare.

My brother did not retire, but did spend 11 years active duty. *He gets VA
medical care because of Agent Orange exposure. *He paid a lot for that
"free" care.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, then, quantify it. How much did he pay?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Generaly 3-6 years of his life IIRC... The problem here is liberals
like you and Harry (and most others) don't understand or respect
selfless sacrifice. Not seeing an immediate advantage, they are just
not interested in helping other folks unless it is directly profitable
for them It is the way of the Clintons, the modern democratic party..
and I do mean parrty...

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 06:22:06 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Jan 3, 8:43 pm, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:

Get rid of all entitlements that are not earned by service or
sacrifice
above and beyond bearing a child and chasing away the father.
We want them to get health care. However, the illegal immigrants who
need health care should be given a shot of penicillin and put on
a plane
back to their country of most recent citizenship.
Conservation of capital. Conservation of what I earn.
Conservation of my
property. Conservation of the the country.
There's nothing quite like these Christian conservatives. :}
We are a well raised and proud bunch aren't we..
Of course...too inbred and stupid to know any better.

That that is exactly why the Democrats will lose the election - that
attitude right there.


Sorry, not interested in moving backwards with the evangelicals.

We aren't interested in being pulled into a failed socialized,
progressive for you Chuck, system of government. We have seen the
dehumanizing that it does and we don't want any part of it.



"...for you Chuck, system..."

Try again in English.

As far as "dehumanizing," you could be the poster boy for that movement.

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

On Jan 4, 8:16*am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 5:39*pm, Jim wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM

A friend of mine, here in the good 'ol USA, dislocated his knee a week
and a half ago. *Had to wait a week for the MRI and has a meeting with
the surgeon next Monday. *He's in intense pain and can't walk at all.

He's a veteran and has a good HMO (Pacific Care).

Is our system really that good?

Awhile back, I came very close to dying. I have very good insurance. I
waited in the emergency room for six hours, then two hours in triage,
then another day and a half before a surgical suite would be available
for the surgeon to get me in. It was so close at the end that he came
and personally checked on me every half hour.

So, please tell me where you would have rather been, Cuba, Britian,
Iran.??? Please, we will pitch in for a ticket if you want to be
treated somewhere else...

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

JG2U wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 07:50:09 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 06:22:06 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Jan 3, 8:43 pm, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:

Get rid of all entitlements that are not earned by service or
sacrifice
above and beyond bearing a child and chasing away the father.
We want them to get health care. However, the illegal immigrants who
need health care should be given a shot of penicillin and put on a
plane
back to their country of most recent citizenship.
Conservation of capital. Conservation of what I earn. Conservation
of my
property. Conservation of the the country.
There's nothing quite like these Christian conservatives. :}
We are a well raised and proud bunch aren't we..
Of course...too inbred and stupid to know any better.
That that is exactly why the Democrats will lose the election - that
attitude right there.

Sorry, not interested in moving backwards with the evangelicals.


You are so clueless it is unreal. You can not want a conservative
candidate to be elected, you can completely disagree with the religious
right on all of their positions, with calling them inbred and stupid.

You like to pretend you have worked with congressional candidates, but
NO CANDIDATE would ever associate themselves with someone like you. It
would be the kiss of death for their campaign.

Harry is a bigot and a racist. He's the worst of the intolerant
liberal trash in this NG.


The essence of "conservative" Christianity:

" However, the illegal immigrants who
need health care should be given a shot of penicillin and put on a
plane
back to their country of most recent citizenship.
Conservation of capital. Conservation of what I earn. Conservation
of my
property. Conservation of the the country."


Translated:

I got mine. Screw you.

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

On Jan 4, 8:46*am, "JimH" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Jan 4, 8:16 am, wrote:





On Jan 3, 5:39 pm, Jim wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM

A friend of mine, here in the good 'ol USA, dislocated his knee a week
and a half ago. Had to wait a week for the MRI and has a meeting with
the surgeon next Monday. He's in intense pain and can't walk at all.

He's a veteran and has a good HMO (Pacific Care).

Is our system really that good?

Awhile back, I came very close to dying. I have very good insurance. I
waited in the emergency room for six hours, then two hours in triage,
then another day and a half before a surgical suite would be available
for the surgeon to get me in. It was so close at the end that he came
and personally checked on me every half hour.

So, please tell me where you would have rather been, Cuba, Britian,
Iran.??? *Please, we will pitch in for a ticket if you want to be
treated somewhere else...
================

Booger has exaggerated his story just a wee bit. * Anyone close to death
does not wait 6 hours in any emergency room for care but is rushed right in
and attended to, including immediate surgery if needed to save the life.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I know.. I walked into an emergency room once with flutters in my
chest.. I was on an EKG in probably 45 seconds.. and I have no
insurance at the time...

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

wrote in message
...
On Jan 3, 2:07 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Jan 3, 10:50 am, wrote:





On Jan 3, 10:42 am, wrote:

On Jan 3, 10:27 am, BAR wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:11:48 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 2, 7:01 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM

Lyle Fisher
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Surrey woman's holiday in California
has
turned into a healthcare nightmare. The 68-year old needed
emergency
surgery after her appendix burst, but now she can't come home
due
to a
lack of hospital beds.

Arlene Meeks has been in a California hospital since December
17th.
Her family has been trying to get her transferred back to the
Lower
Mainland for 2 weeks now but they haven't had any luck.

Stephen Harris with the South Fraser Health Region says the
issue
is a
shortage of ventilated intensive care unit beds, which are
highly
specialized. He says over the holidays, it's not surprising to
see
those beds filled up.

Harris says as soon as a bed becomes available, Meeks will be
transferred to a local hospital. Arlene's daughter Kim says her
mom is
'frustrated as hell', and she just wants to come home.

NDP Health Critic Adrian Dix says the issue is one that's
continued to
plague the Lower Mainland and he's blaming Liberal government
cuts
to
acute care beds. "The number of acute care beds in British
Columbia
was reduced by 1,300 in the first mandate of the government, and
some
of the new facilities being opened won't be adding to that
number."

Dix says the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health authorities
issued
reports last fall indicating they are 650 acute care beds short
right
now.
The trouble is, you right wingers only look for the bad things
about
any system you don't like. Why don't you find the good things,
and
post them as well, if you want to come off as balanced. Same with
global warming!

The only good thing about the overtaxed, crappy health system is
that it's
'free'. So what?

There is nothing good about socialized medicine.

And, it is not free. It costs you money, that you conveniently don't
see, and it costs lives and livelihoods which end up costing the
rest
of
us more.

Pay for what you want and need in all things.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Tell all veterans that who use the V.A. system.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

They already paid with their service....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bull****. I wholeheartedly agree that they deserve good care. But
there is no tangible amount they "paid".

Why does there have to be a "tangible" amount, as you so adeptly put it?-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Because he's saying he paid.

You do realize it's possible to "pay" with other than "tangible" assets,
don't you?

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

JimH wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Jan 4, 8:16 am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 5:39 pm, Jim wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM
A friend of mine, here in the good 'ol USA, dislocated his knee a week
and a half ago. Had to wait a week for the MRI and has a meeting with
the surgeon next Monday. He's in intense pain and can't walk at all.
He's a veteran and has a good HMO (Pacific Care).
Is our system really that good?
Awhile back, I came very close to dying. I have very good insurance. I
waited in the emergency room for six hours, then two hours in triage,
then another day and a half before a surgical suite would be available
for the surgeon to get me in. It was so close at the end that he came
and personally checked on me every half hour.

So, please tell me where you would have rather been, Cuba, Britian,
Iran.??? Please, we will pitch in for a ticket if you want to be
treated somewhere else...
================

Booger has exaggerated his story just a wee bit. Anyone close to death
does not wait 6 hours in any emergency room for care but is rushed right in
and attended to, including immediate surgery if needed to save the life.




That's simply not the case. Oh, and if you are really ill, poor, and in
need of an expensive anti-cancer regimen, what do yo think happens to
you? You die.

--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

On Jan 4, 8:50*am, HK wrote:
JimH wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Jan 4, 8:16 am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 5:39 pm, Jim wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM
A friend of mine, here in the good 'ol USA, dislocated his knee a week
and a half ago. Had to wait a week for the MRI and has a meeting with
the surgeon next Monday. He's in intense pain and can't walk at all.
He's a veteran and has a good HMO (Pacific Care).
Is our system really that good?
Awhile back, I came very close to dying. I have very good insurance. I
waited in the emergency room for six hours, then two hours in triage,
then another day and a half before a surgical suite would be available
for the surgeon to get me in. It was so close at the end that he came
and personally checked on me every half hour.

So, please tell me where you would have rather been, Cuba, Britian,
Iran.??? *Please, we will pitch in for a ticket if you want to be
treated somewhere else...
================

Booger has exaggerated his story just a wee bit. * Anyone close to death
does not wait 6 hours in any emergency room for care but is rushed right in
and attended to, including immediate surgery if needed to save the life.

That's simply not the case. Oh, and if you are really ill, poor, and in
need of an expensive anti-cancer regimen, what do yo think happens to
you? You die.

--
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Yeah, ****head.. as I am doing right now.. you think I would have a
better chance in Canada? I have cancer, I have no insurance, I am
crying to no one for a handout, it's my own ****ing stupid fault....
But I don't want you or anyone else to bail me out for my bad
decisions, and I don't sit around crying about it (ask Tom) I am
however using it as a good example teaching tool for my kids...

You are just such a stupid fucing lying asshole... your life must just
be miserable, I woulnt trade for one extra second of your wasted
life....

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 4, 8:16 am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 5:39 pm, Jim wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM
A friend of mine, here in the good 'ol USA, dislocated his knee a week
and a half ago. Had to wait a week for the MRI and has a meeting with
the surgeon next Monday. He's in intense pain and can't walk at all.
He's a veteran and has a good HMO (Pacific Care).
Is our system really that good?
Awhile back, I came very close to dying. I have very good insurance. I
waited in the emergency room for six hours, then two hours in triage,
then another day and a half before a surgical suite would be available
for the surgeon to get me in. It was so close at the end that he came
and personally checked on me every half hour.

So, please tell me where you would have rather been, Cuba, Britian,
Iran.??? Please, we will pitch in for a ticket if you want to be
treated somewhere else...


Ahh...Christian conservatism at its best.

Nobody is forcing you to stay here in the USA. If you like some other
country's social welfare net then you are free to emigrate to that
country if they will let you in.

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

Michael Moore would be proud...
 

HK wrote:
JimH wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Jan 4, 8:16 am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 5:39 pm, Jim wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Woman waits in California hospital for a bed to open up here
Wednesday, January 02 - 11:30:00 AM
A friend of mine, here in the good 'ol USA, dislocated his knee a week
and a half ago. Had to wait a week for the MRI and has a meeting with
the surgeon next Monday. He's in intense pain and can't walk at all.
He's a veteran and has a good HMO (Pacific Care).
Is our system really that good?
Awhile back, I came very close to dying. I have very good insurance. I
waited in the emergency room for six hours, then two hours in triage,
then another day and a half before a surgical suite would be available
for the surgeon to get me in. It was so close at the end that he came
and personally checked on me every half hour.

So, please tell me where you would have rather been, Cuba, Britian,
Iran.??? Please, we will pitch in for a ticket if you want to be
treated somewhere else...
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Booger has exaggerated his story just a wee bit. Anyone close to
death does not wait 6 hours in any emergency room for care but is
rushed right in and attended to, including immediate surgery if needed
to save the life.



That's simply not the case. Oh, and if you are really ill, poor, and in
need of an expensive anti-cancer regimen, what do yo think happens to
you? You die.


And?