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D.Duck wrote:
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On Dec 27, 11:56 pm, BAR wrote:
Tim wrote:
Off a vacuum pump.
No pump, vacuum from the intake manifold is the source.
When did ford start pulling a vac, from the intake manifold? AFAIK,
they've always used a pump

Maybe you are thinking of the "air" pump that was installed in all cars
to inject clean air into the exhaust to "improve" emission readings.

Engine vacuum has been used for years for power brakes and on older
car's features like flip-up headlights and even the windshield wipers
(on really old cars).

Eisboch

Didn't you just love it when you stepped on the accelerator and wipers
slowed or stopped?


Only when going uphill, if memory serves.

--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

Up hill was the worst case scenario but even flat land heavy acceleration
was a problem. It did seem to vary somewhat depending on the car brand.

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On Dec 27, 7:06 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
had my brand new F-150 Lariat Special Edition towed back from
Greenville RI to the dealer in Webster, MA because...

The brakes failed - as in F A I L E D - causing me to avoid a massive
collision by jumping a curb and heading into the pucker brush.

Then, to add insult to injury, when I restarted the engine after it
stalled out, a horrendous noise and oil smoke started to pour out from
under the hood. Brand new engine to boot.

In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. This is the sixth
major failure in 20 thousand miles.

No, I'm not buying a Toyota so don't even suggest it.

I am looking at GMC though.

Dude, I have gotten pretty good with our new Tom Tom.. You are aware
that it lags a little right. I mean, when it says "turn right now" you
are not really to the turn yet. You knew that, right?

Glad everyones all right. Talk to you later...


You guys really need these devices to find your way around town?

I felt the same way until I got tired of getting bad directions from
MapQuest. They do indeed come in handy and have many useful features.
I would never do without one again.


Well, I guess that (Mapquest) was the only known alternative to a GPS unit.

D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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D.Duck wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Tim" wrote in message
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On Dec 27, 11:56 pm, BAR wrote:
Tim wrote:
Off a vacuum pump.
No pump, vacuum from the intake manifold is the source.
When did ford start pulling a vac, from the intake manifold? AFAIK,
they've always used a pump

Maybe you are thinking of the "air" pump that was installed in all cars
to inject clean air into the exhaust to "improve" emission readings.

Engine vacuum has been used for years for power brakes and on older
car's features like flip-up headlights and even the windshield wipers
(on really old cars).

Eisboch
Didn't you just love it when you stepped on the accelerator and wipers
slowed or stopped?

Only when going uphill, if memory serves.

--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

Up hill was the worst case scenario but even flat land heavy acceleration
was a problem. It did seem to vary somewhat depending on the car brand.




Most of my cars in those days were either grossly underpowered or Jeeps,
which I believe had electric motors attached to the windshield and which
drove the wipers.

On Dec 27, 7:06*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
had my brand new F-150 Lariat Special Edition towed back from
Greenville RI to the dealer in Webster, MA because...

The brakes failed - as in F A I L E D - causing me to avoid a massive
collision by jumping a curb and heading into the pucker brush.

Then, to add insult to injury, when I restarted the engine after it
stalled out, a horrendous noise and oil smoke started to pour out from
under the hood. *Brand new engine to boot.

In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. *This is the sixth
major failure in 20 thousand miles.

No, I'm not buying a Toyota so don't even suggest it.

I am looking at GMC though.

After changing your underwear, don't hesitate to buy another Ford.
These things happen. It could, and does happen with any manufacturer.
I'd give them a chance to make it right, as in a different truck, not
fixing that one.

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 06:24:28 -0800, justwaitafrekinminute wrote:


Me too till I got old. Now to read an atlas I have to pull over, turn on
extra lights as the interiors in both cars suck, and change to my other
higher powered reading glasses. If I can't remember all the turns, I
have to do it again, and again, and again....

I knew I was in trouble when I bought a Rand McNally with the BIG print.
Of course because of the print it lacked the detail. So, I still got
lost. When I leave "town", I now use a GPS puck with my laptop, just in
case.

On Dec 27, 7:16*pm, "JimH" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in messagenews:09f8n354tm1npk6fgmg1qfn5m41fi43nsm@4ax .com...

had my brand new F-150 Lariat Special Edition towed back from
Greenville RI to the dealer in Webster, MA because...

The brakes failed - as in F A I L E D - causing me to avoid a massive
collision by jumping a curb and heading into the pucker brush.

Then, to add insult to injury, when I restarted the engine after it
stalled out, a horrendous noise and oil smoke started to pour out from
under the hood. *Brand new engine to boot.

In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. *This is the sixth
major failure in 20 thousand miles.

Sounds like operator error to me.

Ever consider a bicycle? *;-)

How in hell does a brake failure sound like operator error?

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 06:50:29 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Hey ... are the exterior rails on the GBs teak or mahogany?

They are teak. Our boats were built in Singpore and teak was actually
less expensive than mahogany.

On Dec 28, 10:17*am, wrote:
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 07:06:04 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Dec 27, 7:16*pm, "JimH" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in messagenews:09f8n354tm1npk6fgmg1qfn5m41fi43nsm@4ax .com...

had my brand new F-150 Lariat Special Edition towed back from
Greenville RI to the dealer in Webster, MA because...

The brakes failed - as in F A I L E D - causing me to avoid a massive
collision by jumping a curb and heading into the pucker brush.

Then, to add insult to injury, when I restarted the engine after it
stalled out, a horrendous noise and oil smoke started to pour out from
under the hood. *Brand new engine to boot.

In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. *This is the sixth
major failure in 20 thousand miles.

Sounds like operator error to me.

Ever consider a bicycle? *;-)

How in hell does a brake failure sound like operator error?

Who BOUGHT the piece of s##t? Sounds like operator error to me!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

How in the hell would anybody know that a certain vehicle will turn
out to be a lemon?

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On Dec 28, 10:17 am, wrote:
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 07:06:04 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Dec 27, 7:16 pm, "JimH" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in
messagenews:09f8n354tm1npk6fgmg1qfn5m41fi43nsm@4ax .com...

had my brand new F-150 Lariat Special Edition towed back from
Greenville RI to the dealer in Webster, MA because...

The brakes failed - as in F A I L E D - causing me to avoid a massive
collision by jumping a curb and heading into the pucker brush.

Then, to add insult to injury, when I restarted the engine after it
stalled out, a horrendous noise and oil smoke started to pour out
from
under the hood. Brand new engine to boot.

In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. This is the sixth
major failure in 20 thousand miles.

Sounds like operator error to me.

Ever consider a bicycle? ;-)

How in hell does a brake failure sound like operator error?

Who BOUGHT the piece of s##t? Sounds like operator error to me!- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

How in the hell would anybody know that a certain vehicle will turn
out to be a lemon?

+++++++++++++++++

Learning about other people's past experiences with a product is one way to
at least weigh the odds of getting a lame product. For instance, my 92
Taurus came with an interesting standard featu A fusible link covered by
what my mechanic called a "salt collector" - a hard plastic shroud which
funneled water and road salt right into the electrical connection, which was
located down near the starter motor. It was such an obviously bad design
that he and I decided it was a prank, not a mistake. It crippled my car one
day, which required towing. The materials to fix (redesign) the thing cost
about 38 cents.

Based on that, it's safe to assume Ford is still doing similar things with
their vehicles.

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:27:28 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Engine vacuum has been used for years for power brakes and on older car's
features like flip-up headlights and even the windshield wipers (on really
old cars).

Just reading through this, I now understand what you mean by vacuum
assist - I thought we were talking about a vacuum system like air
brakes.

My IH L-110 operated a ton of stuff off a vacuum pump - what a PITA.