On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 21:12:15 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 17:37:34 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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Whoa, back up. Did you read the description of the charger? It's part of
the same line of chargers Salty was showing pictures of.

It certainly sounds like a smart charger. The picture sure doesn't look
like one though.

Are you saying that it looks stupid?

No, but it does look like something that got off the short bus.

Get it - short bus?

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On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 17:37:34 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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Whoa, back up. Did you read the description of the charger? It's part of
the same line of chargers Salty was showing pictures of.


It certainly sounds like a smart charger. The picture sure doesn't look
like one though.

Eisboch


Are you saying that it looks stupid?



No. The picture of the charger in the link that John provided looked like
the packaging style of a typical transformer type charger. It didn't look
like any of the switch mode models being produced that I've seen.
Obviously, I haven't seen them all and might be wrong.

Eisboch

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 20:32:53 GMT, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 15:27:27 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 15:05:25 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 18:19:13 GMT, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 13:00:51 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Are my eyes deceiving me, or is this the same charger?

http://tinyurl.com/2xcqba

I might not have it today, but for $35, it's not a bad deal. Shipping's
free too.

That one is only 10 amps, but would probably be fine. The one I got at
Walmart looks almost identical except that the charge rates are 2
amps, 10 amps and 15 amps.


Thanks. That order is cancelled. Whew.

I'm going with this one. http://tinyurl.com/2fro5k

I like having the engine start capability. This thing, according to
Schumacher, seems to do it all.

You are making a mistake, but do what you have to do.
A smart charger will be based on a switching power supply design.
I am pretty sure the one you are going with is a conventional, transformer
type charger.

Eisboch


Whoa, back up. Did you read the description of the charger? It's part of
the same line of chargers Salty was showing pictures of.

Product Description
Amazon.com Product Description
The Schumacher SC-6500A SpeedCharge Automatic Battery Charger is part of
the "SpeedCharge" line of chargers, the state of the art in battery
charging technology. An internal computer controls the charge rate while
monitoring the battery condition to insure the battery is not overcharged.
With SC-6500A electronic technology, you can hook up the battery, set the
controls, and walk away. Your battery will be fully charged in a fraction
of the time required by conventional chargers. When the computer control
determines that the battery is fully charged, the charger is shut off
completely. The SC-6500A SpeedCharge is an automatic battery charger for
12V, deep cycle, gel cell, and AGM batteries.



The SC-6500A monitors itself to prevent overcharging your battery.
Versatile
The SC-6500A will charge batteries for a wide variety of vehicles,
including cars, trucks, RVs, deep cycles, farm equipment, motorcycles, and
lawn tractors. With this charger, you can charge virtually every type of
automotive or light marine battery.

Features
Among its many features, the SC-6500A has a 65 Amp Engine Start for
emergency starting and a 10/20 Amp Fast Charge mode, which is a
self-adjusting, variable charge rate for everyday charging needs and
maintaining your battery in peak condition. While the unit charges, it
automatically desulfates and restores the battery. There is also a 2 Amp
Slow Charge setting for charging and maintaining small batteries such as
motorcycle, ATV, snowmobile, and lawn tractor batteries.

Safe and Convenient
This unit has 125 amp, sure-grip clamps for top and side-mounted battery
posts, an electronic touchpad control, easy-to-select switches for the
digital display, battery type or charge/start functions. Choose from 12
volt regular automotive, 12 volt deep-cycle, 12 volt AGM, or gel cell
batteries. Meanwhile, a built-in digital voltmeter/tester helps diagnose
problems.

The SC-6500A has a black and gray polypropylene case with a retractable
handle, as well as push button controls to select and display charge rates
(65 Amp engine start, 20/10 Amp, 2 Amp) and battery type. There is also a
retractable handle for easy portability and a cord wrap on back.


Okay, now that I've read the detailed description, I'm convinced this
will properly charge a deep cycle battery. My charger actually has the
word SMART on the front panel. I don't see that on the photos of this
one, but the description spells it out.


OK!

Now, if Eisboch will agree, the order will be placed. Then it will be a
unanimous three out of three.

"John H." wrote in message
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OK!

Now, if Eisboch will agree, the order will be placed. Then it will be a
unanimous three out of three.


No. I think we need to kick this around a few more times. :-)

Go order your charger. And may the Force be with you.

Eisboch

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Okay, now that I've read the detailed description, I'm convinced this
will properly charge a deep cycle battery. My charger actually has the
word SMART on the front panel. I don't see that on the photos of this
one, but the description spells it out.



Man! I musta missed something REAL important!

Running my stepvan electronics shop is two 6V, deep cycle, 660AH golf
cart monsters in series into a 750W Black and Decker inverter from Wally
World.

Power comes from the nice 40A 115/240VAC completely unregulated,
uncomputerized, MANUAL battery charger from my buddy's Amel Sharki 41, a
seriously heavy duty, full duty cycle, charger. The only "settings" on
it are LOW - Medium - HIGH in both the 115 and 240V taps on the
transformer primary. At 115VAC, open circuit voltage is about 14.4VDC,
so the charge tapers off quite nicely ending up around 2A set on low,
which you wouldn't want to perk the batteries with if you didn't use
them.

There's never been another charger applied to these batteries that are 4
years old, next month I think. Gravity in all cells is around 1.260 if
you compensate with the appropriate thermometer and chart the way you are
supposed to....

If you computer experts see my truck in the marina parking lot...PLEASE,
don't let my batteries hear anything about "smart chargers" and "Three
stage charging" and all this other nonsense Waste Marine wants $600 for,
ok? Please?! They're living quite happily with me flippin' the switch
on and off by hand and puttin a l'il of my homemade distilled water in
'em when they're needin' it.

When the ON-OFF switch is ON, the golf cart beasts are paralleled with
the two parallel red AGM diesel starting batteries and it all charges up
quite nicely paralleled like that, too! Keep this talk away from the
radiator so the AGMs don't hear it, too!

Thanks......SHHH! Keep it down!!

Larry
--
I think I'll boost 'em tomorrow, just to show 'em I still love 'em....(c;

"Larry" wrote in message
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Man! I musta missed something REAL important!


If you computer experts see my truck in the marina parking lot...PLEASE,
don't let my batteries hear anything about "smart chargers" and "Three
stage charging" and all this other nonsense Waste Marine wants $600 for,
ok? Please?! They're living quite happily with me flippin' the switch
on and off by hand and puttin a l'il of my homemade distilled water in
'em when they're needin' it.


Thanks......SHHH! Keep it down!!

Larry



Rather than wasting time convincing idiots like us, why don't you contact
manufacturers and other experts on battery charging and share your advanced
knowledge on the subject. I am sure they would be appreciative to learn why
they have it all screwed up.

You could start with these guys but there are many, many more that
apparently don't understand the physics as well as you claim to.

http://www.batteryuniversity.com/partone-13.htm

Eisboch

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 01:39:19 +0000, Larry wrote:

wrote in :

Okay, now that I've read the detailed description, I'm convinced this
will properly charge a deep cycle battery. My charger actually has the
word SMART on the front panel. I don't see that on the photos of this
one, but the description spells it out.



Man! I musta missed something REAL important!

Running my stepvan electronics shop is two 6V, deep cycle, 660AH golf
cart monsters in series into a 750W Black and Decker inverter from Wally
World.

Power comes from the nice 40A 115/240VAC completely unregulated,
uncomputerized, MANUAL battery charger from my buddy's Amel Sharki 41, a
seriously heavy duty, full duty cycle, charger. The only "settings" on
it are LOW - Medium - HIGH in both the 115 and 240V taps on the
transformer primary. At 115VAC, open circuit voltage is about 14.4VDC,
so the charge tapers off quite nicely ending up around 2A set on low,
which you wouldn't want to perk the batteries with if you didn't use
them.

There's never been another charger applied to these batteries that are 4
years old, next month I think. Gravity in all cells is around 1.260 if
you compensate with the appropriate thermometer and chart the way you are
supposed to....

If you computer experts see my truck in the marina parking lot...PLEASE,
don't let my batteries hear anything about "smart chargers" and "Three
stage charging" and all this other nonsense Waste Marine wants $600 for,
ok? Please?! They're living quite happily with me flippin' the switch
on and off by hand and puttin a l'il of my homemade distilled water in
'em when they're needin' it.

When the ON-OFF switch is ON, the golf cart beasts are paralleled with
the two parallel red AGM diesel starting batteries and it all charges up
quite nicely paralleled like that, too! Keep this talk away from the
radiator so the AGMs don't hear it, too!

Thanks......SHHH! Keep it down!!

Larry

I think that's more than I need. But, thanks.

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 20:24:02 GMT, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 15:05:25 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 18:19:13 GMT, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 13:00:51 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Are my eyes deceiving me, or is this the same charger?

http://tinyurl.com/2xcqba

I might not have it today, but for $35, it's not a bad deal. Shipping's
free too.

That one is only 10 amps, but would probably be fine. The one I got at
Walmart looks almost identical except that the charge rates are 2
amps, 10 amps and 15 amps.


Thanks. That order is cancelled. Whew.

I'm going with this one. http://tinyurl.com/2fro5k

I like having the engine start capability. This thing, according to
Schumacher, seems to do it all.

You are making a mistake, but do what you have to do.
A smart charger will be based on a switching power supply design.
I am pretty sure the one you are going with is a conventional, transformer
type charger.

Eisboch


I think you are correct. The model I was pointing out is a true
microprocessor controlled, switch mode power supply, smart charger. I
believe mine is a model SSC-2500A. I just looked it up, and it's
maximum charge rate is 25 amps.

http://www.batteryweb.com/schumacher...Model=SC-2500A

I bought mine at Walmart for well under $100.

The sc 6500 that John is looking at doesn't mention "smart" anywhere
that I can find, and that is a critical difference. John already has
an old charger with the "jump start" function, so he really doesn't
need that function in his new charger.


That ssc1000a doesn't mention smart anywhere that I can see. I can't find
the word 'smart' anywhere on the 2500a site either. Are you sure you don't
mean 'speed charger'?

"John H." wrote in message
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That ssc1000a doesn't mention smart anywhere that I can see. I can't find
the word 'smart' anywhere on the 2500a site either. Are you sure you don't
mean 'speed charger'?


I am sure.

Check the weight. A conventional charger with similar ratings will be much
heavier than the smart, microprocessor controlled, switch mode charger.

Either that or wait a few more years. Eventually they won't even make small
transformer based chargers.

Eisboch

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 20:37:29 GMT, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 15:32:49 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 20:24:02 GMT, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 15:05:25 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
m...
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 18:19:13 GMT, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 13:00:51 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Are my eyes deceiving me, or is this the same charger?

http://tinyurl.com/2xcqba

I might not have it today, but for $35, it's not a bad deal. Shipping's
free too.

That one is only 10 amps, but would probably be fine. The one I got at
Walmart looks almost identical except that the charge rates are 2
amps, 10 amps and 15 amps.


Thanks. That order is cancelled. Whew.

I'm going with this one. http://tinyurl.com/2fro5k

I like having the engine start capability. This thing, according to
Schumacher, seems to do it all.

You are making a mistake, but do what you have to do.
A smart charger will be based on a switching power supply design.
I am pretty sure the one you are going with is a conventional, transformer
type charger.

Eisboch


I think you are correct. The model I was pointing out is a true
microprocessor controlled, switch mode power supply, smart charger. I
believe mine is a model SSC-2500A. I just looked it up, and it's
maximum charge rate is 25 amps.

http://www.batteryweb.com/schumacher...Model=SC-2500A

I bought mine at Walmart for well under $100.

The sc 6500 that John is looking at doesn't mention "smart" anywhere
that I can find, and that is a critical difference. John already has
an old charger with the "jump start" function, so he really doesn't
need that function in his new charger.


That ssc1000a doesn't mention smart anywhere that I can see. I can't find
the word 'smart' anywhere on the 2500a site either. Are you sure you don't
mean 'speed charger'?

Nope, the 2500 says SMART on the front panel, over to the right. There
is a red bar that says "computer" and under that it says SMART.

Meanwhile I have responded to another post in this thread after
reading the description of the one you want, and based on that I think
it is just as smart as any smart charger, and will properly charge
your battery.

Got it and thanks.