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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:11:49 -0000, penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:02:14 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:


Does that depend on how you define HTML email? For instance, I get email
from Barnes & Noble, with pictures, and various parts of the pictures
contain links to different web pages. Is that HTML mail? If so, there
are plenty of non-spam uses for it.

Some would argue Barnes & Noble is spam. Hey, I like the book store, but
I don't like their web bugs.

http://w2.eff.org/Privacy/Marketing/web_bug.html

Best defense against this is not to use a broken or disabled email
client, but to have a configurable firewall that blocks unwanted
intrusion. For instance, I block everything that is *doubleclick*,
*preferences.com*, and even entire Internet registries. I don't know
anybody in the APNIC registry, for example, and I got damn tired of
trying to surgically block every Chinese IT student that had nothing
better to do than port sniff and hack. Blacklists, Tarpitting and
SpamAssasin are also very useful tools......



Maybe this is why we have different approaches to the problem: I get pretty
much no junk email at my 3 "real" addresses. I still run a non-MS firewall
which monitors traffic in & out, and run through a router. The yahoo address
that's visible here is not used for anything else. I never check it.

As far as being tracked by LL Bean and Barnes & Noble, etc, I don't care.
I've chosen to be their customer. For all I know, I might've gotten MORE
coupons from B&N because of clicking on the earlier ones, but not using
them.

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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:05:47 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

Many of the posts that I see, here, would be grounds for dismissal, if
they are going through a corporate server or firewall.

Any IT professional, seeing any of these childish personal attacks and
bad language, would be compelled to adopt a "not on my watch" attitude
and take appropriate action.....

It's a theft of company time anyway. In all the years of sitting in
front of a keyboard that gave me full internet access at work, I never
used it unless it was work-related. Can't tell you how many times I
walked up on somebody - including managers- clumsily doing the alt-tab
dance at my arrival.
I suspect part of it is generational, part work ethics.

--Vic

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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 13:58:04 -0500, Gene Kearns wrote:


Best defense against this is not to use a broken or disabled email
client, but to have a configurable firewall that blocks unwanted
intrusion. For instance, I block everything that is *doubleclick*,
*preferences.com*, and even entire Internet registries. I don't know
anybody in the APNIC registry, for example, and I got damn tired of
trying to surgically block every Chinese IT student that had nothing
better to do than port sniff and hack. Blacklists, Tarpitting and
SpamAssasin are also very useful tools......

I do all my browsing through a Privoxy proxy. It removes web bugs and
most advertising in web pages. It will even send bogus cookies if I set
it up to. And, I'm behind a dedicated firewall, IPCop.


http://www.privoxy.org/

http://ipcop.org/

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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:06:04 -0500, HK wrote:


Now, there are other roadkill recipes around, but these were for meals
you could prepare while you travel. On your car engine.

Cooked some chicken that way once, and it was ok. When I was a heat
treater a work mate always had his lunch going on a furnace.
Place always smelled like chicken or pork chops.

--Vic

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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:08:58 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:


Yeah anyway...back to the subject. Why is Outlook Express awful?

I found it useful in the work environment, and gearheads loved it.
It's a corporate communications/scheduling solution, and works well.
It's complex, has a steep learning curve, and capabilities most never
use. I've heard it can be exploited by hackers, but in the corporate
environment I was in that seldom happened, due to full-time employees
being there to stop that type of thing.
I've used Agent since before Outlook was around, and though there's
some learning curve to pull it's capabilities, it's simpler than
Outlook and easier to use - I think.
It's all personal preference once you get past security/data
integrity. My preference is always simplicity combined with
native ease of data backup. I just don't like *ever* losing
anything unless it's my decision.
I don't do scheduling anymore, or group e-mailing anymore, so I don't
miss Outlook at all. Some hate it just because it's MS.
I'm still using a shareware VB address book app I bought 10 years
ago (called Lifetime) for my address book, but frankly, Notepad
would do, and just a little attention to formatting and doing a find
makes it work well. And plain text has it's benefits. Space is
cheap.

--Vic

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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:46:19 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:


Basic security based on what? The known threats on the day the software
was shipped? That would be as useless as a rubber crutch.

Huh? Basic security based on standard security practices. Why does MS
open up holes with HTML email? ActiveX browsing? There's a disaster.
Every piece of software runs risks, but Microsoft tends to go out of it's
way to open up holes.

What about software that does NOT connect to the internet? It can still
be a vector for infection if the files it's opening are infected.

Yeah, but these days, most infections come from the internet.

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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:52:52 GMT, wrote:

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:36:55 -0000, wrote:

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 13:28:08 -0500, HK wrote:


Please let me know when there is a "linux" that as it installs itself,
finds *all* my computer hardware, printers, and other devices, and
automatically configures itself to communicate with them, no matter how
they are hooked up.

Let me know when Windows does that. Every time I buy a peripheral there
is always a CD with drivers. What's that for?


I hang them on fishing line around my garden to keep the birds away

Those drivers on the CD drivers are often already outdated, so that's
a good use.

--Vic

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:25:46 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:17:10 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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That's like saying a vacuum cleaner does a lousy job of toasting
bagels, so you're going to shop for a better vacuum cleaner.

I don't know about you, but I toast my bagels on the muffler of my
lawn tractor.

Or at this time of year, my big snow blower.

Yeah, but that makes perfect sense. Not a vacuum cleaner, though.

Why not? There is heat generated by the motor - seems to me to be a
pretty simple adaptation.

I figured you had one of those gas powered vacuum's. Like you see in
shopping center parking lots.

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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:00:17 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:25:46 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:17:10 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

That's like saying a vacuum cleaner does a lousy job of toasting
bagels, so you're going to shop for a better vacuum cleaner.
I don't know about you, but I toast my bagels on the muffler of my
lawn tractor.

Or at this time of year, my big snow blower.
Yeah, but that makes perfect sense. Not a vacuum cleaner, though.
Why not? There is heat generated by the motor - seems to me to be a
pretty simple adaptation.
There was a paperback published some years ago that certainly would
interest Tom if not others. It was a book of roadkill recipes. These
were recipes you could use to heat up on the radiator of your car
while you are driving.

Now, there are other roadkill recipes around, but these were for meals
you could prepare while you travel. On your car engine.
Yeah anyway...back to the subject. Why is Outlook Express awful?
Just type "outlook express problems" into your web browser and have fun.
I haven't had a single problem with OE since I began using it several
years ago for email & news. I want to know what YOU have PERSONALLY
WITNESSED.
Outlook vi-rii and Outlook troublefiles that little twerps around the
world create just for fun.
The virii got into the computer because the user didn't properly maintain
and configure his/her antivirus software.

You can always tell when someone is really an expert. "Virii" is not
only not an English word, it's not a Latin word either.

The plural of virus in English is viruses.

As far as I know, virii is Martian for "potato salad".

I have been unable to find any other references from reputable
sources, or should I say, "sourcii"?
D'oh.

Gee.

Whiz.

No.

Fun.

Allowed.

Virii is a fun word, dumbo.
A "fun word"?

Cite please!


http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/virii.html


Hmm... your cite agress with me!

http://membres.lycos.fr/asle/virii.2.html


This is just some uneducated dope's personal page where they don't
know that the correct plural of virus is viruses. Probably wears his
baseball hat backwards, too.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=virii



They also agree with me, as does EVERY legitimate dictionary ever
published.


Next time, check your chops before you challenge mine.



I think you just chopped yourself off at the knees (kneeii?)




I said it was a "fun" word. It isn't my problem if you don't get it.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:17:10 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

That's like saying a vacuum cleaner does a lousy job of toasting
bagels, so you're going to shop for a better vacuum cleaner.

I don't know about you, but I toast my bagels on the muffler of my
lawn tractor.

Or at this time of year, my big snow blower.

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=72669