On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:34:09 -0000, wrote:

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:21:26 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


Unfortunately, we've knee-deep in luddites who don't think it is
important or necessary to do anything to try to save energy or to shift
to alternative sources.

I look at it this way - the faster we use up fossil fuels, the faster
something new will come along to replace it.

From a historical perspective, it fits perfectly.

As a fuel, yes, but what about all the other uses of petroleum,
medicines, fertilizers, plastics, etc. Oil is a gift, and some would
argue it's too important to be squandered as fuel.

Good point.

Although if we don't use up fossil fuels, how do we get to
replicators?

"Tea - Earl Grey - hot".

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:47:56 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

Here's a big question: who the hell is Stephanie Yanez?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbbrwlzJjX4

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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:59:03 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:47:56 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

Here's a big question: who the hell is Stephanie Yanez?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbbrwlzJjX4

Almost makes sense, but I suspect that isn't the one.....

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That's a sight for sore ears.

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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:44:56 -0500, JG2U wrote:

I recently heard a story that pointed out that a typical hybrid has a
negative impact on the environment. A fuel efficient "normal" car
actually has an edge after you factor in the manufacturing impact of the
hybrid's components.

But it is the feel-good thing to do.

You recently heard a "story". That about sums it up. I'm guessing the
story you are referring to is "Dust to Dust: The Energy Costs of New
Vehicles From Concept to Disposal". It's findings don't hold up.

http://www.pacinst.org/topics/integr.../case_studies/
hummer_vs_prius.pdf

Total enviromental cost is very high for hybrids and all electric. The
Batteries are the major item on both electric and hybrids. Total electric is
worse in they mostly moved the smog generating location to another place
from the car. And the range is not great enough to be a single car for a
family. The lead mining and smelting is very enviro negative. But the
milage is great, the tax rebate will allow me to have Harry & loogie help
pay for my car. Because the first grandbaby is due in April and daughter
and SIL live in SoCal I figure we are going to do a lot of 350 mile each way
road trips a year.

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"John H." wrote in message
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On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 23:09:50 -0800, "CalifBill"

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On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:30:56 -0800, "CalifBill"

wrote:

Merry Festus to all. And got a Garmin Nuvi 200W for the wife today.
Was
going to get a tomtom xls one, but West Marine had the Nuvi for $249 +
a
$50
gift certificate to the store. Played with it while waiting at the
Mexican
market for the Christmas Eve Tamales. Pretty cool.


She'll love it, and it will save about $2000 on your next car purchase!
--
John H

Probably no savings on the next car. then I will inherit the GPS for the
truck. Looking at a Saturn Vue Hybrid for her next car.


I did a quick look and couldn't find the GPS as an accessory for the Vue.
Does it come with one? When I bought the wife the Highlander, the
'Navigation System' was in the $2000 range. Her Garmin was in the $300
range, and she's very happy with it.
--
John H


You bought her the Highlander????
I thought she was a teacher...and capable of her own purchases?
Does she have to give you her paycheque....do you dole out an allowance to
her?


It's a guy thing here in the USA. We get to buy the vehicles and the wife
specifies everything else (except the boat).

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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:20:33 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote:


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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:44:56 -0500, JG2U wrote:

I recently heard a story that pointed out that a typical hybrid has a
negative impact on the environment. A fuel efficient "normal" car
actually has an edge after you factor in the manufacturing impact of
the
hybrid's components.

But it is the feel-good thing to do.

You recently heard a "story". That about sums it up. I'm guessing the
story you are referring to is "Dust to Dust: The Energy Costs of New
Vehicles From Concept to Disposal". It's findings don't hold up.

http://www.pacinst.org/topics/integr.../case_studies/
hummer_vs_prius.pdf

Total enviromental cost is very high for hybrids and all electric. The
Batteries are the major item on both electric and hybrids. Total electric
is
worse in they mostly moved the smog generating location to another place
from the car. And the range is not great enough to be a single car for a
family. The lead mining and smelting is very enviro negative. But the
milage is great, the tax rebate will allow me to have Harry & loogie help
pay for my car. Because the first grandbaby is due in April and daughter
and SIL live in SoCal I figure we are going to do a lot of 350 mile each
way
road trips a year.


Hybrids don't really save much if you do a lot of highway driving.



wife also does a lot of round town driving and the Vue gets decent mileage.
The hybrid is actually the Honda motor.

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:52:08 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 23:09:50 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:30:56 -0800, "CalifBill"

wrote:

Merry Festus to all. And got a Garmin Nuvi 200W for the wife today.
Was
going to get a tomtom xls one, but West Marine had the Nuvi for $249 + a
$50
gift certificate to the store. Played with it while waiting at the
Mexican
market for the Christmas Eve Tamales. Pretty cool.


She'll love it, and it will save about $2000 on your next car purchase!
--
John H

Probably no savings on the next car. then I will inherit the GPS for the
truck. Looking at a Saturn Vue Hybrid for her next car.

I did a quick look and couldn't find the GPS as an accessory for the Vue.
Does it come with one? When I bought the wife the Highlander, the
'Navigation System' was in the $2000 range. Her Garmin was in the $300
range, and she's very happy with it.

You bought her the Highlander????
I thought she was a teacher...and capable of her own purchases?
Does she have to give you her paycheque....do you dole out an allowance to
her?

I get an allowance from Mrs. Wave every week.

If she didn't do that, there would be a freakin' fleet of center
consoles sitting in the driveway. :)

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:15:28 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:56:45 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:34:09 -0000, wrote:

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:21:26 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


Unfortunately, we've knee-deep in luddites who don't think it is
important or necessary to do anything to try to save energy or to shift
to alternative sources.

I look at it this way - the faster we use up fossil fuels, the faster
something new will come along to replace it.

From a historical perspective, it fits perfectly.

As a fuel, yes, but what about all the other uses of petroleum,
medicines, fertilizers, plastics, etc. Oil is a gift, and some would
argue it's too important to be squandered as fuel.

Good point.

Although if we don't use up fossil fuels, how do we get to
replicators?

"Tea - Earl Grey - hot".

I'm afraid of replicators.....

Different replicators.

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 14:08:09 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

Perhaps an "energy race" similar to the "space race" would be a good
idea. There were people in the late 50's and early 60's that thought
that was the most ridiculous thing conceivable..... but the benefits
continue to accrue to this day. I'd like to see any sort of technology
that would free us from the shackles of foreign oil and return some
value to the American Dollar.

Diesel Electric.

I'm telling you, that's the only way to go.

John H. wrote:


I did a quick look and couldn't find the GPS as an accessory for the Vue.
Does it come with one? When I bought the wife the Highlander, the
'Navigation System' was in the $2000 range. Her Garmin was in the $300
range, and she's very happy with it.

I have a Garmin c330 I bought prior to buying my newest tow vehicle.
The Garmin GPS is so much easier to use than the one installed in the
$65K!!! SUV. I'll never buy that option again unless (as in this case)
it was part of a package I wanted. I now have two GPS's in one vehicle
but I only use the Garmin. Maybe the Germans will catch up one day but
I still like the portability.

You made the right move.

Dan