wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:44:56 -0500, JG2U wrote:

I recently heard a story that pointed out that a typical hybrid has a
negative impact on the environment. A fuel efficient "normal" car
actually has an edge after you factor in the manufacturing impact of the
hybrid's components.

But it is the feel-good thing to do.

You recently heard a "story". That about sums it up. I'm guessing the
story you are referring to is "Dust to Dust: The Energy Costs of New
Vehicles From Concept to Disposal". It's findings don't hold up.

http://www.pacinst.org/topics/integr.../case_studies/
hummer_vs_prius.pdf


Unfortunately, we've knee-deep in luddites who don't think it is
important or necessary to do anything to try to save energy or to shift
to alternative sources.

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:54:51 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:44:56 -0500, JG2U wrote:

I recently heard a story that pointed out that a typical hybrid has a
negative impact on the environment. A fuel efficient "normal" car
actually has an edge after you factor in the manufacturing impact of the
hybrid's components.

But it is the feel-good thing to do.

You recently heard a "story". That about sums it up. I'm guessing the
story you are referring to is "Dust to Dust: The Energy Costs of New
Vehicles From Concept to Disposal". It's findings don't hold up.

http://www.pacinst.org/topics/integr.../case_studies/
hummer_vs_prius.pdf

Unfortunately, we've knee-deep in luddites who don't think it is
important or necessary to do anything to try to save energy or to shift
to alternative sources.

I look at it this way - the faster we use up fossil fuels, the faster
something new will come along to replace it.

From a historical perspective, it fits perfectly.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:54:51 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:44:56 -0500, JG2U wrote:

I recently heard a story that pointed out that a typical hybrid has a
negative impact on the environment. A fuel efficient "normal" car
actually has an edge after you factor in the manufacturing impact of the
hybrid's components.

But it is the feel-good thing to do.
You recently heard a "story". That about sums it up. I'm guessing the
story you are referring to is "Dust to Dust: The Energy Costs of New
Vehicles From Concept to Disposal". It's findings don't hold up.

http://www.pacinst.org/topics/integr.../case_studies/
hummer_vs_prius.pdf
Unfortunately, we've knee-deep in luddites who don't think it is
important or necessary to do anything to try to save energy or to shift
to alternative sources.

I look at it this way - the faster we use up fossil fuels, the faster
something new will come along to replace it.

From a historical perspective, it fits perfectly.


Yeah, but you are an old fa^t like me, and it really doesn't matter to
either of us, because we'll both be pushing up daisies before we run out
of oil.

HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:54:51 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:44:56 -0500, JG2U wrote:

I recently heard a story that pointed out that a typical hybrid has a
negative impact on the environment. A fuel efficient "normal" car
actually has an edge after you factor in the manufacturing impact
of the
hybrid's components.

But it is the feel-good thing to do.
You recently heard a "story". That about sums it up. I'm guessing
the story you are referring to is "Dust to Dust: The Energy Costs of
New Vehicles From Concept to Disposal". It's findings don't hold up.

http://www.pacinst.org/topics/integr.../case_studies/
hummer_vs_prius.pdf
Unfortunately, we've knee-deep in luddites who don't think it is
important or necessary to do anything to try to save energy or to
shift to alternative sources.

I look at it this way - the faster we use up fossil fuels, the faster
something new will come along to replace it.

From a historical perspective, it fits perfectly.


Yeah, but you are an old fa^t like me, and it really doesn't matter to
either of us, because we'll both be pushing up daisies before we run out
of oil.

I would think you would be concerned about the environment and future
generations.

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:21:26 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


Unfortunately, we've knee-deep in luddites who don't think it is
important or necessary to do anything to try to save energy or to shift
to alternative sources.

I look at it this way - the faster we use up fossil fuels, the faster
something new will come along to replace it.

From a historical perspective, it fits perfectly.

As a fuel, yes, but what about all the other uses of petroleum,
medicines, fertilizers, plastics, etc. Oil is a gift, and some would
argue it's too important to be squandered as fuel.

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:34:09 -0000, wrote:

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:21:26 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


Unfortunately, we've knee-deep in luddites who don't think it is
important or necessary to do anything to try to save energy or to shift
to alternative sources.

I look at it this way - the faster we use up fossil fuels, the faster
something new will come along to replace it.

From a historical perspective, it fits perfectly.

As a fuel, yes, but what about all the other uses of petroleum,
medicines, fertilizers, plastics, etc. Oil is a gift, and some would
argue it's too important to be squandered as fuel.

Good point.

Although if we don't use up fossil fuels, how do we get to
replicators?

"Tea - Earl Grey - hot".

wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:21:26 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


Unfortunately, we've knee-deep in luddites who don't think it is
important or necessary to do anything to try to save energy or to shift
to alternative sources.
I look at it this way - the faster we use up fossil fuels, the faster
something new will come along to replace it.

From a historical perspective, it fits perfectly.

As a fuel, yes, but what about all the other uses of petroleum,
medicines, fertilizers, plastics, etc. Oil is a gift, and some would
argue it's too important to be squandered as fuel.

Why don't you develop another power source that will replace petroleum
based power.