"HK" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Steve wrote:
On 21-Dec-2007, "Mike" wrote:

Harry, do you honestly mean that we (the U.S.) would be better off
with no

military?
What's the difference? - we have a great military and no country.

Actually, all we have is a military that can take on and defeat some
third, fourth or fifth-rate countries in the world. We do not have a
military that could take on the Red Chinese or, in a few years, the
Russians.

What we don't have is the ability to defeat *some* third, fourth, or
fifth-rate countries and then rebuild them into something we like, which
was the fantasy of the idiots in the Bush Administration.

We got our butts handed to us in Vietnam by a practically non-country
armed with little more than the determination of its leaders and
followers. We fought to no better than a draw in Korea.

The last serious, bigtime war our military won was WW II, and that only
with the help of many allies around the world.

Our most successful military activity of the last 50 years was George
H.W. Bush's repulsion of Iraq from Kuwait. He, unlike his son, was smart
enough to know what to do, how to do it, who to involve and when to get
out.

Actually the military did not lose Vietnam. Was a Democrat POTUS and a
Democrat Congress that lost Vietnam.


The serious part of the war in Vietnam lasted from 1965 to April 1975.

There was a Democratic president until January 1969, and a Republican
president until the end of the war.

Despite the hundreds of thousands of troops we had in Vietnam, and the
55,000 deaths our nation and their families suffered, we had our butts
handed to us militarily and politically. Perhaps if we hadn't been so
eager to support a corrupt, right-wing dictatorship in South Vietnam, it
might have turned out differently.



We never last a major battle. Was the politicos micro managing the war into
a no win situation. We were not allowed to be the aggressors, only
defenders. And by the time Nixon got in, we had politically lost the war.
And which party was the one setting up the right-wingers? And which party
use to be a party of the working people, the blue collar workers?