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Maybe a little too religious for some...
On Dec 20, 7:09�pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:15:38 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould wrote: On Dec 20, 3:39?pm, John H. wrote: On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 23:31:28 +0000, Larry wrote: John H. wrote in : but the Battle Hymn of the Republic *was* religious, after all. More Masonic than religious....actually. http://www.masonmusic.org/uslodge.html They play it a lot.... Larry I thought of Christ as a religious, as opposed to Masonic, symbol. -- John H The two are more entwined than you might imagine. Masons often claim to be the philosophical descendants of the Knights Templar. The only connection between the Knights Templar and Freemasonry is with the Order of DeMolay which is a youth organization named after Jacques DeMolay. It is a mentoring organization that the development of civic awareness, leadership skills and personal responsibility. There is a charitable organization outside the structure of Freemasonry that is named The United Religious, Military and Masonic Orders of the Temple and of St John of Jerusalem, Palestine, Rhodes and Malta which is sometimes called the Masonic Knights Templar, but has no direct connection to Freemasonry other than the fact that the members are all Master Masons. There are only three degrees - Entered Apprentice. Fellow Craft and Master Mason. �Other "degrees" are declared, or to put it another way, awarded depending on the Master Mason's involvement in the charitable organization like the various Shrines or the Masonic Knights. None of the Free Mason rituals are based on the rituals or theology of the Knights Templar.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - From Wiki: Despite Freemasonry's general disclaimer that no one Masonic organization claims a direct heritage to the medieval Knights Templar, certain degrees and orders are obviously patterned after the medieval Order. These are best described as "commemorative orders" or degrees. Nevertheless, in spite of the fraternity's official disclaimers, some Masons, non-Masons and even anti-Masons insist that certain Masonic rites or degrees originally had direct Templar influence. American Masonic youth organizations such as the Order of DeMolay for young men are named after the last Grand Master Templar Jacques de Molay who was executed in the final suppression of the Templar order in the early 1300s. The Knight of Rose-Croix Degree in the "Ancient Accepted Scottish Rite", and honorary Orders like the Royal Order of Scotland are interpreted as evidence of a historical Templar-Masonic connection, though there is no factual basis for this belief. Legends in certain degrees pertain to the involvement of Knights Under the command of Sir John De Bermingham, First and Last Earl of Louth aiding the excommunicated 14th Century Scottish King Robert the Bruce at the Battle of Bannockburn; however this remains a point of debate. Lack of documentation on behalf of the medieval Knights themselves, and battle memoirs usually written years if not decades after the actual engagement, have left much room for speculation. This story is the basis for the degrees in the Royal Order of Scotland an invitational Masonic honorary organization. Templar connections have also been suggested through the Earls of Rosslyn (St. Clair, or Sinclair) a family with well documented connections with Scottish Freemasonry, one being a Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Scotland. Many other old and new organizations are called "Knights Templar". However, organizations like the Order of the Solar Temple, Militi Templi Scotia,or the Sovereign Military Order of the Temple of Jerusalem are in no way related to Masonic Knights Templar, and share no relationship in either history, hierarchy, nor ritual. ********* Like much pertaining to various systems of belief and ritual, few things are reducible to absolutes and discussion continues, and continues, and continues........ :-) "Some Masons claim a link to the Knights Templar", but there is no question that those Masons *could be* wrong. |
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