On Dec 26, 9:18Â*am, Chuck Gould wrote:
On Dec 25, 1:14�pm, Roger Pearse wrote:

On 21 Dec, 22:07, Gene Kearns
wrote:

I think Larry is trying to get you to look at the source of the Bible.
Have you ever considered the testaments that *weren't* included in the
Bible?

The Catholics decided, in the 4th century, what you should believe
and.... by a show of hands .....decided what should be considered holy
and what should be considered anathema. If one was politically correct
one's motion(dogma) carried, if not it didn't. The true word was
created!

So it says in the "Da Vinci code". �Must be true, I suppose?

Of course it's complete nonsense.

I first graduated from a college affiliated with a particular
Christian denomination. We were required to study religion and I found
studying both sides of a central point in time established by the
Councils ofNiceato be an amazing trip. This led me to the conclusion
that anybody that feels that they are Christian should do at least two
things:

1) Read the Bible.... ALL OF IT..... and

2) Study the history of the creation of Christianity....

Agree or disagree with what you like..... but you owe it to yourself
to be an informed consumer....

So why didn't you learn about the subject before you posted such
arrant tripe?

While the council didn't specifically canonize the modern Bible,
Constantine did order at essentially Â*that same time 50 copies of the
"approved" religious texts for use in the churches of Constantinople.

It would be a curious leap to assert that when you or I buy a bible we
determine its contents!

Constantine did order 50 copies of the bible from the famous
scriptorium at Caesarea (and doubtless from other scriptoria also) in
order to supply them to his new city in Constantinople.

Modern scholars disagree whether those approved scriptures included
nearly all of the current "New Testament" or merely Matthew, Mark,
Luke, and John-

References are required for this curious assertion, you know. Since
fourth century codices could contain the complete NT, we may
reasonably suppose that they did. The term 'New Testament' was
already two centuries old by then.

but there is no thought that any books not included in
a modern Bible were made available to the churches in Constantinople.

Well, perhaps; but not necessarily. In the manuscript era books can
contain all sorts of things written on spare pages, or considered
useful. It is a mistake to imagine that a manuscript of the bible
necessarily contains only canonical materials. Every manuscript is
unique. Some of the 4th century codices contain material from the
apostolic fathers.

The council atNiceadid order the burning of books representing
minority viewpoints regarding whether God was of a triune nature, etc.

Actually it did not. It had no power to do anything of the kind, not
being a state body.

Constantine issued an order that the books of Arius be burned -- Arius
being Trinitarian, of course, although Arian -- but there is no
evidence that they were, and Arius himself returned from exile soon
after.

At least one major priest was kicked out of the church for "wrong
thinking".

This is vague. Who?

This seems to insinuate that for an organisation based on ideological
principle to require its leaders to subscribe to those principles is
immoral. Are you really enthusiastic for insincerity? If we must
have priests, let the buggers be honest.

Nevertheless, as Gene said by the end of the 4th Century the Church
had convened a series of committe meetings to discuss and debate which
books should be included in the official Bible, and things decided
then are still in effect today.

This is misleading, tho. The process of closing the canon was in no
way so arbitrary, and there is no record of such "committee
meetings". Please produce ancient evidence for your assertion, if you
propose to disagree.

In addition toNicea,there were councils convened at Laodicea and
Carthage that addressed canonization.

No, these councils were convened for other purposes, but lists of
books are issued among the canons of the councils. This practise was
mainly to ensure that fake texts were not read in church. (The
composition of such fakes has been a hobby of heretics up to our own
day).

A number of false assumptions prevailed at these councils, including the common
belief that books we now know did not exist prior to 150-180 AD were "apostolic" writings,
(authored by men who had traveled with Jesus).

Which books might these be, that did not exist at that absurdly late
date, and what evidence can be produced for this daft idea?

All the best,

Roger Pearse

On Dec 25, 9:30*pm, HK wrote:
Roger Pearse wrote:
On 21 Dec, 22:07, Gene Kearns
wrote:
I think Larry is trying to get you to look at the source of the Bible.
Have you ever considered the testaments that *weren't* included in the
Bible?

The Catholics decided, in the 4th century, what you should believe
and.... by a show of hands .....decided what should be considered holy
and what should be considered anathema. If one was politically correct
one's motion(dogma) carried, if not it didn't. The true word was
created!

So it says in the "Da Vinci code". *Must be true, I suppose?

Of course it's complete nonsense.

Ah, yes, the Council of Nicaea never took place in 325 CE. Right.

contempt

(Paste of irrelevant stuff about Nicaea snipped)

Ergo, Gene was correct. So sorry.

deep contempt

Roger Pearse

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 14:54:38 -0800 (PST), Roger Pearse
wrote:

On Dec 26, 9:18*am, Chuck Gould wrote:
On Dec 25, 1:14?pm, Roger Pearse wrote:

On 21 Dec, 22:07, Gene Kearns
wrote:

I think Larry is trying to get you to look at the source of the Bible.
Have you ever considered the testaments that *weren't* included in the
Bible?

The Catholics decided, in the 4th century, what you should believe
and.... by a show of hands .....decided what should be considered holy
and what should be considered anathema. If one was politically correct
one's motion(dogma) carried, if not it didn't. The true word was
created!

So it says in the "Da Vinci code". ?Must be true, I suppose?

Of course it's complete nonsense.

I first graduated from a college affiliated with a particular
Christian denomination. We were required to study religion and I found
studying both sides of a central point in time established by the
Councils ofNiceato be an amazing trip. This led me to the conclusion
that anybody that feels that they are Christian should do at least two
things:

1) Read the Bible.... ALL OF IT..... and

2) Study the history of the creation of Christianity....

Agree or disagree with what you like..... but you owe it to yourself
to be an informed consumer....

So why didn't you learn about the subject before you posted such
arrant tripe?

While the council didn't specifically canonize the modern Bible,
Constantine did order at essentially *that same time 50 copies of the
"approved" religious texts for use in the churches of Constantinople.

It would be a curious leap to assert that when you or I buy a bible we
determine its contents!

Constantine did order 50 copies of the bible from the famous
scriptorium at Caesarea (and doubtless from other scriptoria also) in
order to supply them to his new city in Constantinople.

Modern scholars disagree whether those approved scriptures included
nearly all of the current "New Testament" or merely Matthew, Mark,
Luke, and John-

References are required for this curious assertion, you know. Since
fourth century codices could contain the complete NT, we may
reasonably suppose that they did. The term 'New Testament' was
already two centuries old by then.

but there is no thought that any books not included in
a modern Bible were made available to the churches in Constantinople.

Well, perhaps; but not necessarily. In the manuscript era books can
contain all sorts of things written on spare pages, or considered
useful. It is a mistake to imagine that a manuscript of the bible
necessarily contains only canonical materials. Every manuscript is
unique. Some of the 4th century codices contain material from the
apostolic fathers.

The council atNiceadid order the burning of books representing
minority viewpoints regarding whether God was of a triune nature, etc.

Actually it did not. It had no power to do anything of the kind, not
being a state body.

Constantine issued an order that the books of Arius be burned -- Arius
being Trinitarian, of course, although Arian -- but there is no
evidence that they were, and Arius himself returned from exile soon
after.

At least one major priest was kicked out of the church for "wrong
thinking".

This is vague. Who?

This seems to insinuate that for an organisation based on ideological
principle to require its leaders to subscribe to those principles is
immoral. Are you really enthusiastic for insincerity? If we must
have priests, let the buggers be honest.

Nevertheless, as Gene said by the end of the 4th Century the Church
had convened a series of committe meetings to discuss and debate which
books should be included in the official Bible, and things decided
then are still in effect today.

This is misleading, tho. The process of closing the canon was in no
way so arbitrary, and there is no record of such "committee
meetings". Please produce ancient evidence for your assertion, if you
propose to disagree.

In addition toNicea,there were councils convened at Laodicea and
Carthage that addressed canonization.

No, these councils were convened for other purposes, but lists of
books are issued among the canons of the councils. This practise was
mainly to ensure that fake texts were not read in church. (The
composition of such fakes has been a hobby of heretics up to our own
day).

A number of false assumptions prevailed at these councils, including the common
belief that books we now know did not exist prior to 150-180 AD were "apostolic" writings,
(authored by men who had traveled with Jesus).

Which books might these be, that did not exist at that absurdly late
date, and what evidence can be produced for this daft idea?

~~ snerk ~~

http://tinyurl.com/erm2z

On Dec 26, 6:49*pm, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 13:14:45 -0800 (PST), Roger Pearse penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:





On 21 Dec, 22:07, Gene Kearns
wrote:
I think Larry is trying to get you to look at the source of the Bible.
Have you ever considered the testaments that *weren't* included in the
Bible?

The Catholics decided, in the 4th century, what you should believe
and.... by a show of hands .....decided what should be considered holy
and what should be considered anathema. If one was politically correct
one's motion(dogma) carried, if not it didn't. The true word was
created!

So it says in the "Da Vinci code". *Must be true, I suppose?

Of course it's complete nonsense.

I first graduated from a college affiliated with a particular
Christian denomination. We were required to study religion and I found
studying both sides of a central point in time established by the
Councils ofNiceato be an amazing trip. This led me to the conclusion
that anybody that feels that they are Christian should do at least two
things:

1) Read the Bible.... ALL OF IT..... and

2) Study the history of the creation of Christianity....

Agree or disagree with what you like..... but you owe it to yourself
to be an informed consumer....

So why didn't you learn about the subject before you posted such
arrant tripe?

All the best,

Roger Pearse

It is apparent that you have never posted anything about a boat
(except the ark), yet, here you are, posting in a boating newsgroup!
So, clearly you are trolling, again, with more foolish, way-out-there,
religious nonsense.

As you have recommended this appurtenance to others, it seems fitting
that you should avail yourself of the same.... since you are clearly
in desperate need of it....http://tinyurl.com/yv53f6

All the best.....

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepagehttp://pamandgene.idleplay.net/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguidehttp://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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Please don't get so ruffled, Gene.

So, clearly you are trolling, again, with more foolish, way-out-there,
religious nonsense.


In all you're experience I'm sure you've seen many things that you
would consider "more foolish, way-out-there, religious nonsense"

I thought Roger's reply was quite calm myself. But intrestingly enough
that you would call on Roger by saying " It is apparent that you
have never posted anything about a boat (except the ark), yet, here
you are, posting in a boating newsgroup! "

Yet, Gene, I've seen you silent concerning many spammers and this
*em*eye* five* lunatic.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, I'm not trying to be defensive, nor
offensive, but this is just a course of my own observation.

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 19:49:46 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 13:14:45 -0800 (PST), Roger Pearse penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On 21 Dec, 22:07, Gene Kearns
wrote:
I think Larry is trying to get you to look at the source of the Bible.
Have you ever considered the testaments that *weren't* included in the
Bible?

The Catholics decided, in the 4th century, what you should believe
and.... by a show of hands .....decided what should be considered holy
and what should be considered anathema. If one was politically correct
one's motion(dogma) carried, if not it didn't. The true word was
created!

So it says in the "Da Vinci code". Must be true, I suppose?

Of course it's complete nonsense.

I first graduated from a college affiliated with a particular
Christian denomination. We were required to study religion and I found
studying both sides of a central point in time established by the
Councils ofNiceato be an amazing trip. This led me to the conclusion
that anybody that feels that they are Christian should do at least two
things:

1) Read the Bible.... ALL OF IT..... and

2) Study the history of the creation of Christianity....

Agree or disagree with what you like..... but you owe it to yourself
to be an informed consumer....

So why didn't you learn about the subject before you posted such
arrant tripe?

All the best,

Roger Pearse

It is apparent that you have never posted anything about a boat
(except the ark), yet, here you are, posting in a boating newsgroup!
So, clearly you are trolling, again, with more foolish, way-out-there,
religious nonsense.

As you have recommended this appurtenance to others, it seems fitting
that you should avail yourself of the same.... since you are clearly
in desperate need of it....
http://tinyurl.com/yv53f6

All the best.....

It's strange, Gene, that you've never said anything to Chuck, that I
recall, about his diatribes belittling the beliefs that many Christians may
have.

Tim wrote:
On Dec 26, 6:49 pm, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 13:14:45 -0800 (PST), Roger Pearse penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:





On 21 Dec, 22:07, Gene Kearns
wrote:
I think Larry is trying to get you to look at the source of the Bible.
Have you ever considered the testaments that *weren't* included in the
Bible?
The Catholics decided, in the 4th century, what you should believe
and.... by a show of hands .....decided what should be considered holy
and what should be considered anathema. If one was politically correct
one's motion(dogma) carried, if not it didn't. The true word was
created!
So it says in the "Da Vinci code". Must be true, I suppose?
Of course it's complete nonsense.
I first graduated from a college affiliated with a particular
Christian denomination. We were required to study religion and I found
studying both sides of a central point in time established by the
Councils ofNiceato be an amazing trip. This led me to the conclusion
that anybody that feels that they are Christian should do at least two
things:
1) Read the Bible.... ALL OF IT..... and
2) Study the history of the creation of Christianity....
Agree or disagree with what you like..... but you owe it to yourself
to be an informed consumer....
So why didn't you learn about the subject before you posted such
arrant tripe?
All the best,
Roger Pearse
It is apparent that you have never posted anything about a boat
(except the ark), yet, here you are, posting in a boating newsgroup!
So, clearly you are trolling, again, with more foolish, way-out-there,
religious nonsense.

As you have recommended this appurtenance to others, it seems fitting
that you should avail yourself of the same.... since you are clearly
in desperate need of it....http://tinyurl.com/yv53f6

All the best.....

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepagehttp://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguidehttp://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats

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Please don't get so ruffled, Gene.

So, clearly you are trolling, again, with more foolish, way-out-there,
religious nonsense.


In all you're experience I'm sure you've seen many things that you
would consider "more foolish, way-out-there, religious nonsense"

I thought Roger's reply was quite calm myself. But intrestingly enough
that you would call on Roger by saying " It is apparent that you
have never posted anything about a boat (except the ark), yet, here
you are, posting in a boating newsgroup! "

Yet, Gene, I've seen you silent concerning many spammers and this
*em*eye* five* lunatic.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, I'm not trying to be defensive, nor
offensive, but this is just a course of my own observation.


Seen many "boating related" posts from Roger Pearse? I haven't. I think
Roger Dodger takes his "religious nonsense" a bit too seriously.

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 06:48:37 -0500, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:
On Dec 26, 6:49 pm, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 13:14:45 -0800 (PST), Roger Pearse penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:





On 21 Dec, 22:07, Gene Kearns
wrote:
I think Larry is trying to get you to look at the source of the Bible.
Have you ever considered the testaments that *weren't* included in the
Bible?
The Catholics decided, in the 4th century, what you should believe
and.... by a show of hands .....decided what should be considered holy
and what should be considered anathema. If one was politically correct
one's motion(dogma) carried, if not it didn't. The true word was
created!
So it says in the "Da Vinci code". Must be true, I suppose?
Of course it's complete nonsense.
I first graduated from a college affiliated with a particular
Christian denomination. We were required to study religion and I found
studying both sides of a central point in time established by the
Councils ofNiceato be an amazing trip. This led me to the conclusion
that anybody that feels that they are Christian should do at least two
things:
1) Read the Bible.... ALL OF IT..... and
2) Study the history of the creation of Christianity....
Agree or disagree with what you like..... but you owe it to yourself
to be an informed consumer....
So why didn't you learn about the subject before you posted such
arrant tripe?
All the best,
Roger Pearse
It is apparent that you have never posted anything about a boat
(except the ark), yet, here you are, posting in a boating newsgroup!
So, clearly you are trolling, again, with more foolish, way-out-there,
religious nonsense.

As you have recommended this appurtenance to others, it seems fitting
that you should avail yourself of the same.... since you are clearly
in desperate need of it....http://tinyurl.com/yv53f6

All the best.....

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepagehttp://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguidehttp://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats

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Please don't get so ruffled, Gene.

So, clearly you are trolling, again, with more foolish, way-out-there,
religious nonsense.


In all you're experience I'm sure you've seen many things that you
would consider "more foolish, way-out-there, religious nonsense"

I thought Roger's reply was quite calm myself. But intrestingly enough
that you would call on Roger by saying " It is apparent that you
have never posted anything about a boat (except the ark), yet, here
you are, posting in a boating newsgroup! "

Yet, Gene, I've seen you silent concerning many spammers and this
*em*eye* five* lunatic.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, I'm not trying to be defensive, nor
offensive, but this is just a course of my own observation.


Seen many "boating related" posts from Roger Pearse? I haven't. I think
Roger Dodger takes his "religious nonsense" a bit too seriously.

We see few "boating related" posts from you, Harry. Most of yours are weak
attempts to denigrate a person, place, or thing.

On Dec 27, 12:49*am, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 13:14:45 -0800 (PST), Roger Pearse penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On 21 Dec, 22:07, Gene Kearns
wrote:
I think Larry is trying to get you to look at the source of the Bible.
Have you ever considered the testaments that *weren't* included in the
Bible?

The Catholics decided, in the 4th century, what you should believe
and.... by a show of hands .....decided what should be considered holy
and what should be considered anathema. If one was politically correct
one's motion(dogma) carried, if not it didn't. The true word was
created!

So it says in the "Da Vinci code". *Must be true, I suppose?

Of course it's complete nonsense.

I first graduated from a college affiliated with a particular
Christian denomination. We were required to study religion and I found
studying both sides of a central point in time established by the
Councils ofNiceato be an amazing trip. This led me to the conclusion
that anybody that feels that they are Christian should do at least two
things:

1) Read the Bible.... ALL OF IT..... and

2) Study the history of the creation of Christianity....

Agree or disagree with what you like..... but you owe it to yourself
to be an informed consumer....

So why didn't you learn about the subject before you posted such
arrant tripe?

It is apparent that you have never posted anything about a boat... (etc)

smile If you post a load of religious lies, expect to get slapped
down. But when you do, don't then come back cringing and whining about
it like this.

All the best,

Roger Pearse

Roger Pearse wrote:
On Dec 27, 12:49 am, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 13:14:45 -0800 (PST), Roger Pearse penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On 21 Dec, 22:07, Gene Kearns
wrote:
I think Larry is trying to get you to look at the source of the Bible.
Have you ever considered the testaments that *weren't* included in the
Bible?
The Catholics decided, in the 4th century, what you should believe
and.... by a show of hands .....decided what should be considered holy
and what should be considered anathema. If one was politically correct
one's motion(dogma) carried, if not it didn't. The true word was
created!
So it says in the "Da Vinci code". Must be true, I suppose?
Of course it's complete nonsense.
I first graduated from a college affiliated with a particular
Christian denomination. We were required to study religion and I found
studying both sides of a central point in time established by the
Councils ofNiceato be an amazing trip. This led me to the conclusion
that anybody that feels that they are Christian should do at least two
things:
1) Read the Bible.... ALL OF IT..... and
2) Study the history of the creation of Christianity....
Agree or disagree with what you like..... but you owe it to yourself
to be an informed consumer....
So why didn't you learn about the subject before you posted such
arrant tripe?
It is apparent that you have never posted anything about a boat... (etc)

smile If you post a load of religious lies, expect to get slapped
down. But when you do, don't then come back cringing and whining about
it like this.

All the best,

Roger Pearse


Religious lies?

:}

What's a religious lie, Roger? Christianity was created out of whole
cloth between the third and fifth centuries, CE. Is that lie?