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wrote in message ... Last I heard, Bose was more interested in figuring out electronic automotive suspensions. Selling outrageously overpriced boomboxes and clock radios probably just funds the research for that. One product that apparently is very good is their noise canceling headsets. They advertise the commercial versions but they also supply to the military. Eisboch |
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On Dec 20, 10:16*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:08:03 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... The "plain box" you described came in a wide variety of quality levels.. Some of the variations in sound imaging involved the exact type of components used, how they were placed relative to the box edge, etc. There were and still are "box" speakers that will create a remarkably interesting audio image. The problem with 901s was that they tended to create an image which in no way represented what you'd hear at a live performance, unless the musicians were arranged in a circle around you.. Messy, in other words. First, a disclaimer. *I am not claiming that Bose 901s are audiophile level speakers or even close. My point was that the direct/reflecting concept and the use of multiple, small drivers was a very different approach to sound duplication in an age dominated by big, heavy (often sand filled) cabinets, drivers with rigid cones and surrounds and relatively small or weak voice coil magnets. Remember ... this was 1968. Second point ... a box speaker cannot, by itself, accurately reproduce the sound stage image of a live performance. *All the sound (per channel) is emitted from a single point source. *They depend on proper mixing and manipulation of the recording to create a sound stage image, but still lack backside reflections that would normally occur in a live performance. Bob Carver even developed a "holographic" processor in some of his amps to address this and give the speakers a sound stage with a 3 dimensional image, when properly set up. Carver's idea was meant to sell his electronics to people with less-than-decent speakers. It worked. As far as the sound image, though, I suspect you've never sat very long in front of top of the line Kefs or B&O speakers. Matter of fact, even in1968, the simplest AR acoustic suspension speakers could create a pretty remarkable image, if fed a decent signal. Remember the first & second Blood, Sweat & Tears albums, where somebody actually cared about the production? Piffle. The only speakers worthy of the name are Bozak Concert Grands. Any other speaker is merely a speaker. PS: *Yes Bassy, I own four of these little beasties. *:) PPS: *Analog rules - digital drools!! PPPS: *Yes Bassy, my personal office stereo system is analog. *:) PPPPS: *With tubes. PPPPPS: Which glow in the dark. PPPPPPS: And transformers - real transformers that weigh a ton. PPPPPPPS: Ok, maybe not a ton, but a lot. PPPPPPPPS: *In my opinion, the only true way to test a stereo system is Derek and the Dominos "Layla" played at 11.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "PPS: Analog rules - digital drools!!" Digitial is the only way to store music. No one stores music any other way these days. Unless you're not using cd's you have digital music. Professionals are running digital as far as possible before converting to analog. "PPPPPPS: And transformers - real transformers that weigh a ton" And there's what is wrong with tube amps. Tubes are fundamentally voltage amplifiers while speakers are current devices. To solve this mismatch any tube amp has to have a big honking transformer in between the output circuit and the speaker. Problem is that designing a transformer to work invisibly from 20hz to 20khz is not so easy. In fact getting 20hz through a transformer at all is pretty difficult. Power transistors are current amplifiers. The transistor can be hooked straight to the speaker. An ab amp with transistors is practically identical to the tube version except no output transformer. This opens up the power range. Building a 200 rms watt ab amp is trivial with transistors, impractical with tubes. That means the transistors have more head room as well as placing normal operating range much farther down their power curve. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
... On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:19:38 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: The only speakers worthy of the name are Bozak Concert Grands. Any other speaker is merely a speaker. Fat, loose, sloppy bass. Nobody really listened to those. You have just lost any credibility on this subject after a statement like that. Oh well. :-) |
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On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 05:33:03 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc
wrote: And there's what is wrong with tube amps. Tubes are fundamentally voltage amplifiers while speakers are current devices. To solve this mismatch any tube amp has to have a big honking transformer in between the output circuit and the speaker. Blah, blah, blah. Anybody and everybody with a smidgen of listening ability agrees that transformer/tube nexus is the best quality listening experience - there is nothing in the digital world that can match it. Real men live in the analog world. :) |
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On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:36:57 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:19:38 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: The only speakers worthy of the name are Bozak Concert Grands. Any other speaker is merely a speaker. Fat, loose, sloppy bass. Nobody really listened to those. You have just lost any credibility on this subject after a statement like that. Oh well. :-) Now that we have that settled. :) |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
... On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:36:57 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:19:38 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: The only speakers worthy of the name are Bozak Concert Grands. Any other speaker is merely a speaker. Fat, loose, sloppy bass. Nobody really listened to those. You have just lost any credibility on this subject after a statement like that. Oh well. :-) Now that we have that settled. :) Remember, though: You don't like bass. So, your comments about the quality of bass response are about as valid as any comments I might make about dogs, such as "Do they always take this long to cook?" |
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On Dec 21, 8:41*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 05:33:03 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc wrote: And there's what is wrong with tube amps. *Tubes are fundamentally voltage amplifiers while speakers are current devices. *To solve this mismatch any tube amp has to have a big honking transformer in between the output circuit and the speaker. Blah, blah, blah. Anybody and everybody with a smidgen of listening ability agrees that transformer/tube nexus is the best quality listening experience - there is nothing in the digital world that can match it. Real men live in the analog world. *:) All quality power amps are still analog. And they're still class a or class ab. That's got nothing to do with the tube/transistor debate. No one would argue with the fact that the class d switching amps kids are putting in cars have terrible specs and terrible sound. Digital is how you store your music and if you're still using analog storage then you're just stupid. And some of the tube purests are bi-amping these days and running a transistor amp for the lows. I won't argue that a lot of people prefer the warmer sound produced by tube amps. But tube amps have problems with the lows, it's the physics of the output transformer and that's just unavoidable. If all you ever listen to is elevator music predominately between 1khz and 10khz then tube amps are fine. But you try to push any amount of 20hz through a tube amp and you're going to run into transformer saturation. When the rest of your signal is riding on top of that 20hz then it gets impacted as well. |
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On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:50:35 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:36:57 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:19:38 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: The only speakers worthy of the name are Bozak Concert Grands. Any other speaker is merely a speaker. Fat, loose, sloppy bass. Nobody really listened to those. You have just lost any credibility on this subject after a statement like that. Oh well. :-) Now that we have that settled. :) Remember, though: You don't like bass. So, your comments about the quality of bass response are about as valid as any comments I might make about dogs, such as "Do they always take this long to cook?" Piffle. I rule, you drool - get used to it. :) By the way, I've kind of decided that I'm going to purchase a Yamaha or Korg synthesizer (X50) to mess around with. |
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On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 06:08:42 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc
wrote: On Dec 21, 8:41*am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 05:33:03 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc wrote: And there's what is wrong with tube amps. *Tubes are fundamentally voltage amplifiers while speakers are current devices. *To solve this mismatch any tube amp has to have a big honking transformer in between the output circuit and the speaker. Blah, blah, blah. Anybody and everybody with a smidgen of listening ability agrees that transformer/tube nexus is the best quality listening experience - there is nothing in the digital world that can match it. Real men live in the analog world. *:) All quality power amps are still analog. And they're still class a or class ab. That's got nothing to do with the tube/transistor debate. No one would argue with the fact that the class d switching amps kids are putting in cars have terrible specs and terrible sound. Digital is how you store your music and if you're still using analog storage then you're just stupid. And some of the tube purests are bi-amping these days and running a transistor amp for the lows. I won't argue that a lot of people prefer the warmer sound produced by tube amps. But tube amps have problems with the lows, it's the physics of the output transformer and that's just unavoidable. If all you ever listen to is elevator music predominately between 1khz and 10khz then tube amps are fine. But you try to push any amount of 20hz through a tube amp and you're going to run into transformer saturation. When the rest of your signal is riding on top of that 20hz then it gets impacted as well. I know - Just arguing because I'm bored. :) |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
... On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:50:35 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:36:57 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message m... On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:19:38 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: The only speakers worthy of the name are Bozak Concert Grands. Any other speaker is merely a speaker. Fat, loose, sloppy bass. Nobody really listened to those. You have just lost any credibility on this subject after a statement like that. Oh well. :-) Now that we have that settled. :) Remember, though: You don't like bass. So, your comments about the quality of bass response are about as valid as any comments I might make about dogs, such as "Do they always take this long to cook?" Piffle. I rule, you drool - get used to it. :) By the way, I've kind of decided that I'm going to purchase a Yamaha or Korg synthesizer (X50) to mess around with. That will probably make sounds happen. By the way, I discovered something amazing yesterday. You know how some good labels contain warnings about ingredients some people might be sensitive to? Get this: On the back of a bottle of La Choy soy sauce: CONTAINS SOY I'm going to investigate further. I was shocked. |
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On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:20:22 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: By the way, I discovered something amazing yesterday. You know how some good labels contain warnings about ingredients some people might be sensitive to? Get this: On the back of a bottle of La Choy soy sauce: CONTAINS SOY I'm going to investigate further. I was shocked. Damn - it actually contained soy? Wow... What next - admitting that a jar of Planters Dry Roasted Peanuts contain peanuts? :) |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
... On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:20:22 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: By the way, I discovered something amazing yesterday. You know how some good labels contain warnings about ingredients some people might be sensitive to? Get this: On the back of a bottle of La Choy soy sauce: CONTAINS SOY I'm going to investigate further. I was shocked. Damn - it actually contained soy? Wow... What next - admitting that a jar of Planters Dry Roasted Peanuts contain peanuts? :) Yeah. I'm callin' the guvmint about this. |
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On Dec 21, 9:20*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 06:08:42 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc wrote: On Dec 21, 8:41*am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 05:33:03 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc wrote: And there's what is wrong with tube amps. *Tubes are fundamentally voltage amplifiers while speakers are current devices. *To solve this mismatch any tube amp has to have a big honking transformer in between the output circuit and the speaker. Blah, blah, blah. Anybody and everybody with a smidgen of listening ability agrees that transformer/tube nexus is the best quality listening experience - there is nothing in the digital world that can match it. Real men live in the analog world. *:) All quality power amps are still analog. *And they're still class a or class ab. *That's got nothing to do with the tube/transistor debate. No one would argue with the fact that the class d switching amps kids are putting in cars have terrible specs and terrible sound. *Digital is how you store your music and if you're still using analog storage then you're just stupid. And some of the tube purests are bi-amping these days and running a transistor amp for the lows. *I won't argue that a lot of people prefer the warmer sound produced by tube amps. *But tube amps have problems with the lows, it's the physics of the output transformer and that's just unavoidable. *If all you ever listen to is elevator music predominately between 1khz and 10khz then tube amps are fine. * But you try to push any amount of 20hz through a tube amp and you're going to run into transformer saturation. *When the rest of your signal is riding on top of that 20hz then it gets impacted as well. I know - Just arguing because I'm bored. *:)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'd like to try a tube amp in place of my 535 but they are just so expensive even used. |
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On Dec 21, 9:34*am, jamesgangnc wrote:
On Dec 21, 9:20*am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 06:08:42 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc wrote: On Dec 21, 8:41*am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 05:33:03 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc wrote: And there's what is wrong with tube amps. *Tubes are fundamentally voltage amplifiers while speakers are current devices. *To solve this mismatch any tube amp has to have a big honking transformer in between the output circuit and the speaker. Blah, blah, blah. Anybody and everybody with a smidgen of listening ability agrees that transformer/tube nexus is the best quality listening experience - there is nothing in the digital world that can match it. Real men live in the analog world. *:) All quality power amps are still analog. *And they're still class a or class ab. *That's got nothing to do with the tube/transistor debate. No one would argue with the fact that the class d switching amps kids are putting in cars have terrible specs and terrible sound. *Digital is how you store your music and if you're still using analog storage then you're just stupid. And some of the tube purests are bi-amping these days and running a transistor amp for the lows. *I won't argue that a lot of people prefer the warmer sound produced by tube amps. *But tube amps have problems with the lows, it's the physics of the output transformer and that's just unavoidable. *If all you ever listen to is elevator music predominately between 1khz and 10khz then tube amps are fine. * But you try to push any amount of 20hz through a tube amp and you're going to run into transformer saturation. *When the rest of your signal is riding on top of that 20hz then it gets impacted as well. I know - Just arguing because I'm bored. *:)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'd like to try a tube amp in place of my 535 but they are just so expensive even used.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Oh, and THE definitive system test music: Pink Floyd - Money |
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wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:32:48 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message . .. Last I heard, Bose was more interested in figuring out electronic automotive suspensions. Selling outrageously overpriced boomboxes and clock radios probably just funds the research for that. One product that apparently is very good is their noise canceling headsets. They advertise the commercial versions but they also supply to the military. Eisboch Their clock radio and boombox are nice too. Just not any better than similar offerings from other manufacturers, and not worth anywhere near what they sell them for. Sorta like DeBeers and how they market diamonds. They created a myth and some suckers feel honored to be a part of the cult. I know. I am married to one. Eisboch |
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"jamesgangnc" wrote in message ... All quality power amps are still analog. And they're still class a or class ab. That's got nothing to do with the tube/transistor debate. No one would argue with the fact that the class d switching amps kids are putting in cars have terrible specs and terrible sound. Digital is how you store your music and if you're still using analog storage then you're just stupid. And some of the tube purests are bi-amping these days and running a transistor amp for the lows. I won't argue that a lot of people prefer the warmer sound produced by tube amps. But tube amps have problems with the lows, it's the physics of the output transformer and that's just unavoidable. If all you ever listen to is elevator music predominately between 1khz and 10khz then tube amps are fine. But you try to push any amount of 20hz through a tube amp and you're going to run into transformer saturation. When the rest of your signal is riding on top of that 20hz then it gets impacted as well. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I use a conventional receiver/amp. (Denon) I use it's circuitry to decode the Dolby, DTS or THX signal, power the center channel and surrounds and use the subwoofer line output to feed the bass or LFE to a self powered 15" Velodyne sub. I don't power the mains with the Denon. I take the mains preamp output and currently feed a 150w/channel B&K Components power amp. It drives the Martin-Logan mains. I've been experimenting with disconnecting the conventional woofers built into the Martin-Logan's and driving the electrostatic section only. The trick is to get the crossover setting right in the sub output so there's a nice, seamless transition. I'd love to get a hold of a decent pair (or two channel) vacuum tube power amp in the 75-100 watt range and try it instead of the B&K amp. I don't know how it would sound though because the impedance of electrostatics goes down as the frequency goes up, just the opposite of a conventional speaker. I've forgotten the exact value but at something like 18,000 Hz, the electrostatics are approaching 1 ohm or less. I am also going to steal the SACD player currently hooked up to another system in another room. I have to wait until Mrs.E. isn't paying attention. Eisboch |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:32:48 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message ... Last I heard, Bose was more interested in figuring out electronic automotive suspensions. Selling outrageously overpriced boomboxes and clock radios probably just funds the research for that. One product that apparently is very good is their noise canceling headsets. They advertise the commercial versions but they also supply to the military. Eisboch Their clock radio and boombox are nice too. Just not any better than similar offerings from other manufacturers, and not worth anywhere near what they sell them for. Sorta like DeBeers and how they market diamonds. They created a myth and some suckers feel honored to be a part of the cult. I know. I am married to one. Eisboch Ouch! I thought Mrs. E lurked here on occasion. I'd wait until after Christmas before saying too much! ;-) |
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On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:21:13 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
I'd love to get a hold of a decent pair (or two channel) vacuum tube power amp in the 75-100 watt range and try it instead of the B&K amp. Wanna try a couple of Mac 50s? I have two I that I haven't reinstalled when I moved my stereo system to the office. |
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On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:53:17 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote: On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:49:18 -0500, John H. penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: Hey, John, totally off topic, but since you are using Agent..... your post and the ones threading under it have attached themselves to the middle of a really old thread from 2004 "Wouldn't you rather have a Bush?" Are you seeing similar behavior? No, I'm seeing them attached to the thread: Anyone got a docking thing for an Ipod. I've not seen the 'Bush' thread anywhere. -- John H |
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On Dec 21, 10:21*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"jamesgangnc" wrote in message ... All quality power amps are still analog. *And they're still class a or class ab. *That's got nothing to do with the tube/transistor debate. No one would argue with the fact that the class d switching amps kids are putting in cars have terrible specs and terrible sound. *Digital is how you store your music and if you're still using analog storage then you're just stupid. And some of the tube purests are bi-amping these days and running a transistor amp for the lows. *I won't argue that a lot of people prefer the warmer sound produced by tube amps. *But tube amps have problems with the lows, it's the physics of the output transformer and that's just unavoidable. *If all you ever listen to is elevator music predominately between 1khz and 10khz then tube amps are fine. * But you try to push any amount of 20hz through a tube amp and you're going to run into transformer saturation. *When the rest of your signal is riding on top of that 20hz then it gets impacted as well. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I use a conventional receiver/amp. (Denon) *I use it's *circuitry to decode the Dolby, DTS or THX signal, power the center channel and surrounds and use the subwoofer line output to feed the bass or LFE to a self powered 15" Velodyne sub. *I don't power the mains with the Denon. *I take the mains preamp output and currently feed a 150w/channel B&K Components power amp. It drives the Martin-Logan mains. *I've been experimenting with disconnecting the conventional woofers built into the Martin-Logan's and driving the electrostatic section only. *The trick is to get the crossover setting right in the sub output so there's a nice, seamless transition. I'd love to get a hold of a decent pair (or two channel) vacuum tube power amp in the 75-100 watt range and try it instead of the B&K amp. *I don't know how it would sound though because the impedance of electrostatics goes down as the frequency goes up, just the opposite of a conventional speaker.. I've forgotten the exact value but at something like 18,000 Hz, the electrostatics are approaching 1 ohm or less. I am also going to steal the SACD player currently hooked up to another system in another room. * I have to wait until Mrs.E. isn't paying attention. Eisboch I think you will still need some conventional woofers even if you are using the sub. The elctrostatics are not going to be good below something between 500hz and 1khz and the sub is not going to be good above 100hz or so. I only use my sub for surround sound. For stereo music I run it all through my bi-amp setup. I have home made cabinets with 2 10" woofers per side driven from an adcom 555 that is fed everything below 700hz. The stuff above 700hz I run through another adcom 535 into a pair of MTM setups using 2 conventional 5" midbass and a ribbon tweeter on each side. I'm using a dbx active crossover to do the split. Bi- amping was the biggest improvement I've made. Geting the rest of the signal away from the low end really makes a difference. In a single amp setup you have all the mid and high frequencies basically riding on top of the lows. So when the low swings real far you push the mids and highs closer to the limits of the amp. With an active crossovers you have a variable crossover point so you can tune it for your cabinets as well as different types of music. |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
... "jamesgangnc" wrote in message ... All quality power amps are still analog. And they're still class a or class ab. That's got nothing to do with the tube/transistor debate. No one would argue with the fact that the class d switching amps kids are putting in cars have terrible specs and terrible sound. Digital is how you store your music and if you're still using analog storage then you're just stupid. And some of the tube purests are bi-amping these days and running a transistor amp for the lows. I won't argue that a lot of people prefer the warmer sound produced by tube amps. But tube amps have problems with the lows, it's the physics of the output transformer and that's just unavoidable. If all you ever listen to is elevator music predominately between 1khz and 10khz then tube amps are fine. But you try to push any amount of 20hz through a tube amp and you're going to run into transformer saturation. When the rest of your signal is riding on top of that 20hz then it gets impacted as well. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I use a conventional receiver/amp. (Denon) I use it's circuitry to decode the Dolby, DTS or THX signal, power the center channel and surrounds and use the subwoofer line output to feed the bass or LFE to a self powered 15" Velodyne sub. I don't power the mains with the Denon. I take the mains preamp output and currently feed a 150w/channel B&K Components power amp. It drives the Martin-Logan mains. I've been experimenting with disconnecting the conventional woofers built into the Martin-Logan's and driving the electrostatic section only. The trick is to get the crossover setting right in the sub output so there's a nice, seamless transition. I'd love to get a hold of a decent pair (or two channel) vacuum tube power amp in the 75-100 watt range and try it instead of the B&K amp. I don't know how it would sound though because the impedance of electrostatics goes down as the frequency goes up, just the opposite of a conventional speaker. I've forgotten the exact value but at something like 18,000 Hz, the electrostatics are approaching 1 ohm or less. Give these people a call about your ideas. They REALLY know what they're talking about. I suspect they've spent some time shmoozing with the crew from McIntosh. http://www.audioclassics.com/ |
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wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:41:07 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Real men live in the analog world. :) They keep telling me "analog is dead". (TVs and cell phones anyway) I suppose if you still have vinyl and acetate copies of old artists you can be analog but the studios are digital now so you are still digital, like it or not. In Costco the other day, guy behind me is checking out with a USB turntable. Maybe I can convert all the old vinyl's to the wife's IPOD. One advantage of old age and working with pneumatic computer equipment, the hearing does not notice as many bad recordings. |
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
... wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:41:07 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Real men live in the analog world. :) They keep telling me "analog is dead". (TVs and cell phones anyway) I suppose if you still have vinyl and acetate copies of old artists you can be analog but the studios are digital now so you are still digital, like it or not. In Costco the other day, guy behind me is checking out with a USB turntable. Maybe I can convert all the old vinyl's to the wife's IPOD. One advantage of old age and working with pneumatic computer equipment, the hearing does not notice as many bad recordings. You might want to find out first if the transfer to the iPod will involve any nasty compression that you're not aware of. There might be younger people in your family who could appreciate that music in the future. Better to copy to a hard disk in the most unadulterated form possible. |
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"jamesgangnc" wrote in message ... I think you will still need some conventional woofers even if you are using the sub. The elctrostatics are not going to be good below something between 500hz and 1khz and the sub is not going to be good above 100hz or so. I only use my sub for surround sound. For stereo music I run it all through my bi-amp setup. I have home made cabinets with 2 10" woofers per side driven from an adcom 555 that is fed everything below 700hz. The stuff above 700hz I run through another adcom 535 into a pair of MTM setups using 2 conventional 5" midbass and a ribbon tweeter on each side. I'm using a dbx active crossover to do the split. Bi- amping was the biggest improvement I've made. Geting the rest of the signal away from the low end really makes a difference. In a single amp setup you have all the mid and high frequencies basically riding on top of the lows. So when the low swings real far you push the mids and highs closer to the limits of the amp. With an active crossovers you have a variable crossover point so you can tune it for your cabinets as well as different types of music. ----------------------------------- That's an ideal setup. What is the active crossover you are using? You're right about running the electrostatics only without the 8 inch woofers that they build in. They are there for a reason. It's funny ... when we were in Florida I built a home theater room, intending to use it for music and music videos as well as movies. I decided to buy one of the newer, 18" digital drive Velodyne subwoofers for it. I also had the older, manual setup 15" Velodyne that I am using now. I discovered that the 18" was perfect for LFE when watching a movie, but the 15" is much, much better for music. It has a nice, tight bass reproduction that the 18" did not have. I also have a Polk dual 10" sub that is on Mrs.E's system and two or three of the little Velodyne 10" subs here and there. They are cute, but the 15-incher is the best, musically. Eisboch |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:21:13 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: I'd love to get a hold of a decent pair (or two channel) vacuum tube power amp in the 75-100 watt range and try it instead of the B&K amp. Wanna try a couple of Mac 50s? I have two I that I haven't reinstalled when I moved my stereo system to the office. LOVE to .... but I don't dare. With my luck something would happen to one or both of them. Now, if you aren't going to use them and want to sell them, please keep me on the top of your list. Eisboch |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... Give these people a call about your ideas. They REALLY know what they're talking about. I suspect they've spent some time shmoozing with the crew from McIntosh. http://www.audioclassics.com/ Bookmarked. Thanks. So much to do. So little time. Eisboch |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... Their clock radio and boombox are nice too. Just not any better than similar offerings from other manufacturers, and not worth anywhere near what they sell them for. Sorta like DeBeers and how they market diamonds. They created a myth and some suckers feel honored to be a part of the cult. I know. I am married to one. Eisboch Ouch! I thought Mrs. E lurked here on occasion. I'd wait until after Christmas before saying too much! ;-) Do you know what it really is? It's memories stored in her head, not just the product or the sound. She remembers the days in the Navy and my excitement of getting a set of used Bose speakers (which I really couldn't afford) and the hours I made her sit and listen to them while I played with the setups. One of her favorite pictures is of me, laying on my back on the floor of our apartment in Italy with two Advent bookshelf speakers set up on either side of my head like giant headphones, listening to Santana while she tended our crying first born. Eisboch |
Anyone got a docking thing for an iPod?
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Anyone got a docking thing for an iPod?
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "jamesgangnc" wrote in message ... I think you will still need some conventional woofers even if you are using the sub. The elctrostatics are not going to be good below something between 500hz and 1khz and the sub is not going to be good above 100hz or so. I only use my sub for surround sound. For stereo music I run it all through my bi-amp setup. I have home made cabinets with 2 10" woofers per side driven from an adcom 555 that is fed everything below 700hz. The stuff above 700hz I run through another adcom 535 into a pair of MTM setups using 2 conventional 5" midbass and a ribbon tweeter on each side. I'm using a dbx active crossover to do the split. Bi- amping was the biggest improvement I've made. Geting the rest of the signal away from the low end really makes a difference. In a single amp setup you have all the mid and high frequencies basically riding on top of the lows. So when the low swings real far you push the mids and highs closer to the limits of the amp. With an active crossovers you have a variable crossover point so you can tune it for your cabinets as well as different types of music. ----------------------------------- That's an ideal setup. What is the active crossover you are using? You're right about running the electrostatics only without the 8 inch woofers that they build in. They are there for a reason. It's funny ... when we were in Florida I built a home theater room, intending to use it for music and music videos as well as movies. I decided to buy one of the newer, 18" digital drive Velodyne subwoofers for it. I also had the older, manual setup 15" Velodyne that I am using now. I discovered that the 18" was perfect for LFE when watching a movie, but the 15" is much, much better for music. It has a nice, tight bass reproduction that the 18" did not have. I also have a Polk dual 10" sub that is on Mrs.E's system and two or three of the little Velodyne 10" subs here and there. They are cute, but the 15-incher is the best, musically. Eisboch I'm using a dbx 223. It's an opamp based analog crossover. There is a lot of analog professional equipment hitting the used market these days since most pros are going digital for crossovers, expanders, etc. |
Anyone got a docking thing for an iPod?
"Calif Bill" wrote in message ... In Costco the other day, guy behind me is checking out with a USB turntable. Maybe I can convert all the old vinyl's to the wife's IPOD. One advantage of old age and working with pneumatic computer equipment, the hearing does not notice as many bad recordings. Ha! I was just down at Circuit City a couple of hours ago looking at the turntables. When I saw "USB" turntables that will convert vinals to MP3s, I gave up. I like too much of the old stuff. I have to dig out my old Dual 1219 and see if it still works. Eisboch |
Anyone got a docking thing for an iPod?
"Eisboch" wrote in message
... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... Give these people a call about your ideas. They REALLY know what they're talking about. I suspect they've spent some time shmoozing with the crew from McIntosh. http://www.audioclassics.com/ Bookmarked. Thanks. So much to do. So little time. Eisboch You could always take a road trip to Binghamton and visit the place. Very dangerous store. Leave your wallet in the car. |
Anyone got a docking thing for an iPod?
"JimH" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message ... In Costco the other day, guy behind me is checking out with a USB turntable. Maybe I can convert all the old vinyl's to the wife's IPOD. One advantage of old age and working with pneumatic computer equipment, the hearing does not notice as many bad recordings. Ha! I was just down at Circuit City a couple of hours ago looking at the turntables. When I saw "USB" turntables that will convert vinals to MP3s, I gave up. I like too much of the old stuff. I have to dig out my old Dual 1219 and see if it still works. Eisboch My old direct drive Sony PS 4750 is set up in our basement recreation room. My son likes to listen to my old albums on it. http://www.thevintageknob.org/SONY/s...0/PS4750.html# It is still rock solid and the playing needle/head is still in great condition, although I must have replaced it over the 70's-90's many times. I always cleaned the playing needle head as well as the album(s) prior to playing them. Hopefuly he wasn't down there doing that hippty hop/rap crap scratchy thing |
Anyone got a docking thing for an iPod?
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:24:35 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote: On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:56:10 -0500, John H. penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:53:17 -0500, Gene Kearns wrote: On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:49:18 -0500, John H. penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: Hey, John, totally off topic, but since you are using Agent..... your post and the ones threading under it have attached themselves to the middle of a really old thread from 2004 "Wouldn't you rather have a Bush?" Are you seeing similar behavior? No, I'm seeing them attached to the thread: Anyone got a docking thing for an Ipod. I've not seen the 'Bush' thread anywhere. I'm really beginning to get ****ed at Forte..... I have 6-12 threads crossing over between old posts and new.... g-r-r-r-r-r-r- Gotta be something in group or default properties, I'd guess. Unless it's the ISP. I've got some weird crap from my ISP. For a while I was getting all the messages within two weeks as though they were new. Every time I checked for new messages I'd have to delete a potful. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* |
Anyone got a docking thing for an iPod?
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:58:25 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message ... In Costco the other day, guy behind me is checking out with a USB turntable. Maybe I can convert all the old vinyl's to the wife's IPOD. One advantage of old age and working with pneumatic computer equipment, the hearing does not notice as many bad recordings. Ha! I was just down at Circuit City a couple of hours ago looking at the turntables. When I saw "USB" turntables that will convert vinals to MP3s, I gave up. I like too much of the old stuff. I have to dig out my old Dual 1219 and see if it still works. Eisboch That and a Shure V15 cartridge will handle anything pressed! -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* |
Anyone got a docking thing for an iPod?
"HK" wrote in message ... I listen to real music with a wide dynamic range on my ipod, music created by actual musical instruments, (not "photoshopped music" :} )and virtually everything I have on the ipod is an MP4, at 320 kbps. My hearing is excellent. If I hook up my ipod to my stereo and play my real music through it, it sounds at least as good as playing the same music off a CD. yawn Eisboch :-) |
Anyone got a docking thing for an iPod?
A great deal of old stuff has been re-released on cd's. Basically the same
thing, converted to digital without compression. Since a cd is usally around 10 bucks it's probably cheaper that taking the time to convert and tag the songs off your lps. "Calif Bill" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:41:07 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Real men live in the analog world. :) They keep telling me "analog is dead". (TVs and cell phones anyway) I suppose if you still have vinyl and acetate copies of old artists you can be analog but the studios are digital now so you are still digital, like it or not. In Costco the other day, guy behind me is checking out with a USB turntable. Maybe I can convert all the old vinyl's to the wife's IPOD. One advantage of old age and working with pneumatic computer equipment, the hearing does not notice as many bad recordings. |
Anyone got a docking thing for an iPod?
"John H." wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:58:25 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: That and a Shure V15 cartridge will handle anything pressed! -- John H Yep. It originally had a Pickering. I replaced it with a Shure V15. Are they still supported? Eisboch |
Anyone got a docking thing for an iPod?
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:10:36 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote: On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:53:51 -0500, John H. penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:24:35 -0500, Gene Kearns wrote: On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:56:10 -0500, John H. penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:53:17 -0500, Gene Kearns wrote: On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:49:18 -0500, John H. penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: Hey, John, totally off topic, but since you are using Agent..... your post and the ones threading under it have attached themselves to the middle of a really old thread from 2004 "Wouldn't you rather have a Bush?" Are you seeing similar behavior? No, I'm seeing them attached to the thread: Anyone got a docking thing for an Ipod. I've not seen the 'Bush' thread anywhere. I'm really beginning to get ****ed at Forte..... I have 6-12 threads crossing over between old posts and new.... g-r-r-r-r-r-r- Gotta be something in group or default properties, I'd guess. Unless it's the ISP. I've got some weird crap from my ISP. For a while I was getting all the messages within two weeks as though they were new. Every time I checked for new messages I'd have to delete a potful. Nah.... and that is what ****es me off.... it is a KNOWN programming bug since Version 0.99. If 5.0 doesn't come out with nested folders, filtering, and that bug fixed..... I think I'm going to be moving on to some other newsreader. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* |
Anyone got a docking thing for an iPod?
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:10:36 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote: On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:53:51 -0500, John H. penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:24:35 -0500, Gene Kearns wrote: On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:56:10 -0500, John H. penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:53:17 -0500, Gene Kearns wrote: On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:49:18 -0500, John H. penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: Hey, John, totally off topic, but since you are using Agent..... your post and the ones threading under it have attached themselves to the middle of a really old thread from 2004 "Wouldn't you rather have a Bush?" Are you seeing similar behavior? No, I'm seeing them attached to the thread: Anyone got a docking thing for an Ipod. I've not seen the 'Bush' thread anywhere. I'm really beginning to get ****ed at Forte..... I have 6-12 threads crossing over between old posts and new.... g-r-r-r-r-r-r- Gotta be something in group or default properties, I'd guess. Unless it's the ISP. I've got some weird crap from my ISP. For a while I was getting all the messages within two weeks as though they were new. Every time I checked for new messages I'd have to delete a potful. Nah.... and that is what ****es me off.... it is a KNOWN programming bug since Version 0.99. If 5.0 doesn't come out with nested folders, filtering, and that bug fixed..... I think I'm going to be moving on to some other newsreader. I'm still using 1.91/32. It's done well by me. Let me know if you want it and I'll send it to you. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* |
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