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Why Small Outboards Sink - Low Transoms Cited

Eisboch wrote:
"harry krause" wrote in message
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
From Docksider Reports:
I am trying to figure out what possible advantage an LT boat offers. Why
wouldn't they include an engine well, it can't be that expensive.

Only an inexperienced boater would believe that the splash guard on a
small outboard boat is going to keep water off the deck.

Come on Harry. You know as well as the rest of us that there's a big
difference between a splash guard and an engine well.

Eisboch

I've seen engine wells on boats larger than mine that hold about two
quarts of water and would not stop any significant "splash" come over
the transom.

Why Small Outboards Sink - Low Transoms Cited

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
wrote:
On Dec 12, 12:59 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
From Docksider Reports:
http://www.docksidereports.com/small...ety_at_sea.htm
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Generally speaking, small boats such as outboards are far less sea
worthy than larger boats because:
The transoms are either wide open or cut down.
The cockpits are wide open, the freeboards are lower.
They have smaller and fewer bilge pumps, often only one.
They have smaller and fewer batteries.
Cockpit decks are not water tight.
Control cables have holes in liners that allow a lot of water entry.
Outboards have all the engine weight at the stern, making them stern
heavy.
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Further on, same source:
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Were I a lawyer, I could make a hell of a good legal argument that
boats that meet this description are not seaworthy to be out in the
ocean. But hundreds of them are out there every day and only a handful
of them meet with calamity. So why don't more of them founder? Mainly
due to dumb luck. It takes the right circumstances at the right time
to create the disaster. Like that loose bilge pump wire I mentioned
earlier.
One of those circumstances is when the fisherman stops and puts his
stern to the waves. Water is sloshing over the transom and what he is
not realizing is that the bilge is slowly filling up with water
through all those holes and leaks. It doesn't take much water in the
bilge before the hull looses enough buoyancy that one bigger wave
comes over the transom and fills up the cockpit. At this point, the
sheer weight of the water has turned moderate leakage into the hull
into cascades of water. The hull is now even lower in the water and
the next wave is the coup de gras.
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Be careful out there, especially the LTs among us.
I am trying to figure out what possible advantage an LT boat offers.
Why wouldn't they include an engine well, it can't be that
expensive.- Hide quoted text -

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When you are trying to arrange 15-25 square feet in a under twenty
foot boat, a couple of feet makes a huge difference...

My model Parker is available with a "splash board" that would repel
backwash and keep it out of the cockpit. I know of one guy who ordered
it with his boat, on the 21' pilothouse model. He removed it. They're
just not necessary, except, maybe to guys who imagine they boat on
Lake LAnier with imaginary boats.

Harry, Do you even know what an engine well is?

Sure, Reggie... I play with actual boats. You, of course, google them.

Why Small Outboards Sink - Low Transoms Cited

There's no reason to believe Reggie owns any boat whatsoever.

But the evidence is overwhelming that you own a lobster boat, eh?

Why Small Outboards Sink - Low Transoms Cited

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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My model Parker is available with a "splash board" that would repel
backwash and keep it out of the cockpit. I know of one guy who ordered it
with his boat, on the 21' pilothouse model. He removed it. They're just
not necessary, except, maybe to guys who imagine they boat on Lake LAnier
with imaginary boats.

You have got to be kidding. An otherwise reputable boat manufacturer like
Parker offers a "splash board"?
Why don't they just build it right to begin with?

Splash boards are an apology for poor engineering and design.

Eisboch

Why would I want to give up 2' of usable boat at the stern for something
as silly and useless as a "motor well"? The notched transom design is a
desired feature for fishermen who like utilitarian boats and don't like
to give up valuable real estate for something that only gets in the way
of fishing. You don't really think a bitty motor well is going to keep
the ocean out of a small boat. There are dozens of boats manufactured
for fishermen with transom designs similar to the one on my Parker.

I suppose if you are an inexperienced boater you'd think the motor well
design adds something.

Why Small Outboards Sink - Low Transoms Cited

JimH wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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My model Parker is available with a "splash board" that would repel
backwash and keep it out of the cockpit. I know of one guy who ordered it
with his boat, on the 21' pilothouse model. He removed it. They're just
not necessary, except, maybe to guys who imagine they boat on Lake LAnier
with imaginary boats.
You have got to be kidding. An otherwise reputable boat manufacturer like
Parker offers a "splash board"?
Why don't they just build it right to begin with?

Splash boards are an apology for poor engineering and design.

Eisboch

You folks really know how to pile it on.

Time to drop it already.............

It doesn't bother me when the newsgroup "snarks" attempt to pile on.

Why Small Outboards Sink - Low Transoms Cited

HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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My model Parker is available with a "splash board" that would repel
backwash and keep it out of the cockpit. I know of one guy who
ordered it with his boat, on the 21' pilothouse model. He removed it.
They're just not necessary, except, maybe to guys who imagine they
boat on Lake LAnier with imaginary boats.

You have got to be kidding. An otherwise reputable boat manufacturer
like Parker offers a "splash board"?
Why don't they just build it right to begin with?

Splash boards are an apology for poor engineering and design.

Eisboch

Why would I want to give up 2' of usable boat at the stern for something
as silly and useless as a "motor well"? The notched transom design is a
desired feature for fishermen who like utilitarian boats and don't like
to give up valuable real estate for something that only gets in the way
of fishing. You don't really think a bitty motor well is going to keep
the ocean out of a small boat. There are dozens of boats manufactured
for fishermen with transom designs similar to the one on my Parker.

I suppose if you are an inexperienced boater you'd think the motor well
design adds something.

I guess if you consider Eisboch a inexperienced boater, you probably
don't would also consider Grady-White and Boston Whaler inexperienced
boat builders. They both use motor wells for their boats, including
their smaller models.

Why Small Outboards Sink - Low Transoms Cited

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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My model Parker is available with a "splash board" that would repel
backwash and keep it out of the cockpit. I know of one guy who
ordered it with his boat, on the 21' pilothouse model. He removed
it. They're just not necessary, except, maybe to guys who imagine
they boat on Lake LAnier with imaginary boats.

You have got to be kidding. An otherwise reputable boat manufacturer
like Parker offers a "splash board"?
Why don't they just build it right to begin with?

Splash boards are an apology for poor engineering and design.

Eisboch

Why would I want to give up 2' of usable boat at the stern for
something as silly and useless as a "motor well"? The notched transom
design is a desired feature for fishermen who like utilitarian boats
and don't like to give up valuable real estate for something that only
gets in the way of fishing. You don't really think a bitty motor well
is going to keep the ocean out of a small boat. There are dozens of
boats manufactured for fishermen with transom designs similar to the
one on my Parker.

I suppose if you are an inexperienced boater you'd think the motor
well design adds something.

I guess if you consider Eisboch a inexperienced boater, you probably
would also consider Grady-White and Boston Whaler inexperienced
boat builders. They both use motor wells for their boats, including
their smaller models.

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Why Small Outboards Sink - Low Transoms Cited

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:33:28 -0500, HK wrote:

It doesn't bother me when the newsgroup "snarks" attempt to pile on.

What does your Oxford English Dictionary have to say about the
definition of "snark" ?

There is a risk that by over using certain words, they will lose their
impact.

Why Small Outboards Sink - Low Transoms Cited

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

My model Parker is available with a "splash board" that would repel
backwash and keep it out of the cockpit. I know of one guy who
ordered it with his boat, on the 21' pilothouse model. He removed
it. They're just not necessary, except, maybe to guys who imagine
they boat on Lake LAnier with imaginary boats.

You have got to be kidding. An otherwise reputable boat manufacturer
like Parker offers a "splash board"?
Why don't they just build it right to begin with?

Splash boards are an apology for poor engineering and design.

Eisboch

Why would I want to give up 2' of usable boat at the stern for
something as silly and useless as a "motor well"? The notched transom
design is a desired feature for fishermen who like utilitarian boats
and don't like to give up valuable real estate for something that only
gets in the way of fishing. You don't really think a bitty motor well
is going to keep the ocean out of a small boat. There are dozens of
boats manufactured for fishermen with transom designs similar to the
one on my Parker.

I suppose if you are an inexperienced boater you'd think the motor
well design adds something.

I guess if you consider Eisboch a inexperienced boater, you probably
don't would also consider Grady-White and Boston Whaler inexperienced
boat builders. They both use motor wells for their boats, including
their smaller models.

The Grady White 209, which is its boat about the same size as mine, has
a notched transom with a fold down motor well/splashboard,
crap-for-brains. Removable.

Do you actually know *anything* about boats, Reggie? In the years you
have posted here, I have seen no evidence of it.

Ever heard of Steigercraft? Another pilothouse line.

http://tinyurl.com/34wsgq

Take a look and tell us what you see.

How many examples would you like? A half dozen? More?

BTW, what year, make, and model of boat do you claim to own?