On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:12:54 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Why, you think they'll go down more? What if the lake level starts
coming back up?!

Lake Schmake - it ain't the lake level - it's gas and mortgage prices.

Despite Chuck's opinon, which I respect, folks ain't gonna be able to
afford gas unless your in a position were it truly can't hurt you if
you spend $200 a tank for a weekend. Chuck's view is skewed by the
fact that he doesn't have to spend money getting his boat to the water
- he's in a whole different strata than those of us who trailer boat
or use gas engines.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:12:54 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Why, you think they'll go down more? What if the lake level starts
coming back up?!

Lake Schmake - it ain't the lake level - it's gas and mortgage prices.

Despite Chuck's opinon, which I respect, folks ain't gonna be able to
afford gas unless your in a position were it truly can't hurt you if
you spend $200 a tank for a weekend. Chuck's view is skewed by the
fact that he doesn't have to spend money getting his boat to the water
- he's in a whole different strata than those of us who trailer boat
or use gas engines.


I just got a "heads up" from the boat broker. He says the buyer of the
Navigator is going to request that he be given free use of my slip for the
rest of the winter.

I am going to negotiate that. I'll say, "Sure, if you will reimburse me for
the 550 gallons of diesel fuel on board".

Eisboch

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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Phooey on gas prices.

People have been predicting that gas prices would put an end to
boating ever since they first rose to 50-cents a gallon.

Anybody who can realistically afford to own a boat should be able to
afford to fuel it. The era of the twin 460 cid gasoline V8's powering
a 25,000 pound boat is probably over, but I think most folks who say
they are getting out of boating due to fuel prices are simply looking
for an excuse. There are a lot of ways to enjoy boating without
burning $250 an hour in fuel, especially when discussing sailboats.

Fuel prices may change how we boat, and may deter people who actually
think fuel is one of the larger budget considerations from taking up
the pastime- but fuel prices are unlikely to drive many enthusiastic
boaters away from the hobby. At least, IMO.

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I have no complaints about fuel prices if we keep the GB for a while.
Unless I take it south, I'll probably spend more on fuel for my JD tractor
over the next couple of years.

Eisboch

On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:58:22 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:12:54 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Why, you think they'll go down more? What if the lake level starts
coming back up?!

Lake Schmake - it ain't the lake level - it's gas and mortgage prices.

Despite Chuck's opinon, which I respect, folks ain't gonna be able to
afford gas unless your in a position were it truly can't hurt you if
you spend $200 a tank for a weekend. Chuck's view is skewed by the
fact that he doesn't have to spend money getting his boat to the water
- he's in a whole different strata than those of us who trailer boat
or use gas engines.

I just got a "heads up" from the boat broker. He says the buyer of the
Navigator is going to request that he be given free use of my slip for the
rest of the winter.

Oh oh - fly in the ointment.

I am going to negotiate that. I'll say, "Sure, if you will reimburse me for
the 550 gallons of diesel fuel on board".

Is your slip worth $2,300 (using the last diesel price I saw at a
marina) for the winter?

On Dec 11, 2:48 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:12:54 -0800 (PST), wrote:
Why, you think they'll go down more? What if the lake level starts
coming back up?!

Lake Schmake - it ain't the lake level - it's gas and mortgage prices.

Despite Chuck's opinon, which I respect, folks ain't gonna be able to
afford gas unless your in a position were it truly can't hurt you if
you spend $200 a tank for a weekend. Chuck's view is skewed by the
fact that he doesn't have to spend money getting his boat to the water
- he's in a whole different strata than those of us who trailer boat
or use gas engines.

That's true. It does take alot to get the boat splashed these days.
And when I moved here, it was a nice, country-ish type of drive to get
to Lanier. Then they built a HUGE freakin mall right in the way. I
remember still driving on the old road, thinking, what to hell are
they building a mall way out here for? Well, I guess someone knew that
if you build it, they will come:

http://www.simon.com/mall/default.aspx?ID=208

It's nice to drive towing a boat through that hell!

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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Is your slip worth $2,300 (using the last diesel price I saw at a
marina) for the winter?

The winter "wet" storage fee for the slip is about $1,400 .

We "own" the slip from April 1st to November 1st, but still have to pay for
it's use during the off-season if we elect wet storage.

If the Nav sells, we will keep the slip and just lease it out. Seasonal
rental for that slip is $9,845.00. If I lease it privately I can negotiate
the price and all proceeds go to us. If I elect to have Kingman lease it,
(which I would do), they take a 15% commission with the balance sent to us.

BTW, $1,400 isn't bad for storage of a 52 foot boat around here.

Eisboch

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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Oh oh - fly in the ointment.



This is the biggest concern I have about trying to sell a larger boat.
Slips are not all that available and it's an issue that many buyers think of
last.

This potential buyer is from the Annapolis area. I don't know what slip
availability is down there. I know that in our neck of the woods, finding a
slip for a 52 foot boat isn't easy.

Eisboch

JimH wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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Oh oh - fly in the ointment.


This is the biggest concern I have about trying to sell a larger boat.
Slips are not all that available and it's an issue that many buyers think
of last.

This potential buyer is from the Annapolis area. I don't know what slip
availability is down there. I know that in our neck of the woods, finding
a slip for a 52 foot boat isn't easy.

Eisboch


If you are going to replace it with a smaller 49 foot GB why are you even
considering selling it?




I figure that if there is a god, she made it snow and she can shovel it off.

" JimH" ask wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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This is the biggest concern I have about trying to sell a larger boat.
Slips are not all that available and it's an issue that many buyers think
of last.

This potential buyer is from the Annapolis area. I don't know what slip
availability is down there. I know that in our neck of the woods,
finding a slip for a 52 foot boat isn't easy.

Eisboch


If you are going to replace it with a smaller 49 foot GB why are you even
considering selling it?


First of all, they are entirely different types of boats.

But first, model numbers don't always reflect the actual LOA. I don't know
what the official LOA is of a 49 GB, but I think it's a little bit bigger.
WayneB would know. I was talking to the boat broker the other day and he
commented that many of the newer boats are listing model numbers that imply
that they are larger than the actual LOA of the boat. It's a penis size
marketing thing, I guess.

When we first became interested in buying a slip rather than leasing one, a
50 foot slip became available. We were all excited until we submitted our
offer only to find out that our "4800 Classic Navigator" was not 48' LOA as
I assumed, but was actually 52'8". To their credit, Kingman Yacht Center
checks this stuff to make sure the boats have enough turning room to leave
and dock at the slips. We were bummed out until 3 weeks later when they
called to inform us that a 55' slip had just gone on the market. Turned out
good, because we really have a very desirable slip at the marina.

So, a new boat must fit within a rectangle, 55 feet long by 20 feet wide.
That's what I have to work with as a starting point.

I'd consider a GB 49 .... but it's not my first choice. If we go the
trawler type boat, I want to stay with a single screw, weird as it may
sound. Right now a Nordic Tug has caught my interest.

Eisboch

" JimH" ask wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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I have no complaints about fuel prices if we keep the GB for a while.
Unless I take it south, I'll probably spend more on fuel for my JD
tractor over the next couple of years.

Eisboch




Speaking of JD tractors.................I winterized and put mine to bed a
couple of weeks ago. Snow removal is done with a Toro CCR 3650.

Mine has never been winterized. I use it year long. I stuck a battery
maintainer in it to make sure it will start when the snow flies.

Eisboch