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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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wrote:

On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:41:08 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

I don't know which one it is off the top of my head, but most of them
can be figured out. Any settings you change will become BOLD, so they
are easy to find again if you decide you chose the wrong setting and
want to change it.


WOW! Thanks.

I need to go back and study it for a while but I suspect the solution to
my complaint is there.

Eisboch
If that doesn't work out, you can always just buy a bigger monitor! LOL



OR you can go into the OS appearance/settings and make a subtle change or
two that will resolve the problem on a permanent basis.

I've played with that. The problem is that the OS setting is perfect for
all other programs, including Internet Explorer if I happen to open it. If
I change it to increase the text size of Firefox, it also affects the
display of all other programs, making them too big. The Firefox default
text size setting is smaller than that of IE or other programs, at least
that's the case on both of my laptops. You can increase it but the new
setting is active only for the current session. When you close Firefox and
then re-open, the text size defaults back to the smaller size.

It's more of an annoyance on this HP computer due to the "widescreen"
display.

I haven't found the text size setting option yet in about:config but it
must be there somewhere.

Eisboch



It seems to me I had to play with that and the "percentage" setting.
I'll try to mess around with my laptop and see if I can recall what I
did. I'll have to experiment because I wiped the Win2k settings last
week to install WinXP...but I am sure the ability is still there.

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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

wrote:

On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:41:08 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

I don't know which one it is off the top of my head, but most of them
can be figured out. Any settings you change will become BOLD, so they
are easy to find again if you decide you chose the wrong setting and
want to change it.


WOW! Thanks.

I need to go back and study it for a while but I suspect the solution to
my complaint is there.

Eisboch
If that doesn't work out, you can always just buy a bigger monitor! LOL



OR you can go into the OS appearance/settings and make a subtle change or
two that will resolve the problem on a permanent basis.

I've played with that. The problem is that the OS setting is perfect for
all other programs, including Internet Explorer if I happen to open it. If
I change it to increase the text size of Firefox, it also affects the
display of all other programs, making them too big. The Firefox default
text size setting is smaller than that of IE or other programs, at least
that's the case on both of my laptops. You can increase it but the new
setting is active only for the current session. When you close Firefox and
then re-open, the text size defaults back to the smaller size.

It's more of an annoyance on this HP computer due to the "widescreen"
display.

I haven't found the text size setting option yet in about:config but it
must be there somewhere.

Eisboch




What if you go into firefox options, go to the Content selector and
click on it. When it opens, about halfway down, you should see a select
box for default font and one for size. That seems to allow you to set
and hold font sizes. I just tried it on Firefox 2.0.0.11 and it works.

Have you tried that?

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"D.Duck" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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If yours does that, you must have a special version of XP that I've
never seen before.




Never tried it in WORD, but when I use my XP laptop and either firefox
or t'bird, my settings changes make the type size in those apps larger.
Next time I fire up the laptop, I'll check word.

I think the places you'll find the text size change will be the desktop
itself Task Bar, Start menu, Title Bar and Tool Bars of open
applications. Places like that. It will not affect the text size within
the browser window if we're discussing browsers, Word document text
size, Excel spreadsheet text size, to name a few.


Nope. On XP you can go into desktop appearance and change the font and
size of all sorts of things. While the labels in there might read "X" I
found through experimentation they also applied to "Y" in some important
cases.

But "Y" doesn't apply to browser window html text or any of my other
examples. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :)


I am not sure we are talking about the same thing. If you have Firefox and
click on "View", then "Text Size", then "Increase" (or just use Ctrl +) it
expands the whole Firefox display window. On this HP Laptop, I have to
increase it twice in order to fill the wide screen.

I've messed around with the Firefox settings under Tools -Options-Content,
default font, size, advanced tab, Font sizes, Font types, unchecked the
"Allow pages to chose their own font, etc. None of the changes to these
settings has the same effect as the simple "Ctrl +".

It would probably help if I knew what I was talking about. I do know that
changing the settings in XP screws up the appearance of other programs.

Not a big deal.

Eisboch

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"HK" wrote in message
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What if you go into firefox options, go to the Content selector and click
on it. When it opens, about halfway down, you should see a select box for
default font and one for size. That seems to allow you to set and hold
font sizes. I just tried it on Firefox 2.0.0.11 and it works.

Have you tried that?

Yes, and I also tried it with the "Allow pages to choose their own fonts,
instead of my selections above" box both checked and unchecked. The
settings change the appearance of the text (font and size), but don't widen
the whole page to fill the display.

I just noticed something. I use "Yahoo" as my home page. It may have
something to do with their settings. I may be on to something ....

Eisboch

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His very words: "Don't buy Vista - it's going to be a diaster - stick
with XP because Vista will last only as long as it takes to build
another XP - it's going to become the ME of the MS ops line."

I've said that ever since I was released from my testing NDA. It *is* a
disaster. Sure it will work for many, maybe the majority of folks, BUT...
not as well as XP. The eye candy is what sells everyone on it, and I will
admit, it's pretty cool. However, it's NOT cool enough to make up for it's
faults.

All my home computers (3) are XP, and the 6 computers at my office are as
well. It'll stay that way until they come up with something better. AAMOF,
we have another computer at my office that still runs Win98SE! It has
property management software on it that we can't get to work on anything
newer. We could upgrade the software for a cost of $40,000.00 but we decided
it'd be cheaper to continue to run 98 on that one system... duhhh g

--Mike

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 03:36:08 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


I've been reading the various comments regarding Vista versus XP (while
mentally filtering some of the personal BS expressed by some) and have
reached the conclusion that I'll stick with XP for as long as I can.

I've stayed out of this, but I will say this.

My brother runs a huge IT operation and knows his stuff when it comes
to this.

His very words: "Don't buy Vista - it's going to be a diaster - stick
with XP because Vista will last only as long as it takes to build
another XP - it's going to become the ME of the MS ops line."

My wife used to have issues with her two computers until we
finally disabled Norton in them (at the advice of a computer guru). No
problems since. I had one spyware infection on my home laptop a while
back
and SpyDoctor cured it.

If I could I would cancel Norton.

The problem is I don't know what to replace it with.

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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What if you go into firefox options, go to the Content selector and click
on it. When it opens, about halfway down, you should see a select box for
default font and one for size. That seems to allow you to set and hold
font sizes. I just tried it on Firefox 2.0.0.11 and it works.

Have you tried that?

Yes, and I also tried it with the "Allow pages to choose their own fonts,
instead of my selections above" box both checked and unchecked. The
settings change the appearance of the text (font and size), but don't
widen the whole page to fill the display.

I just noticed something. I use "Yahoo" as my home page. It may have
something to do with their settings. I may be on to something ....

Eisboch

Try this if you haven't already.

In Firefox. Tools Options Content. Play around with the Font Size.
The default is 16. When you click on the down arrow you get a drop down
list of font sizes. If one the sizes on the list doesn't fit your exact
preferences you can manually type in a number that isn't on the list like
21.

I think that will accomplish what you're trying to do. As all html coders
are not created equal you will probably run into some sites that will be too
wide. Then the CRTL-plus/minus will have to be invoked if you don't want to
scroll horizontally.

This change will not affect other programs and will "stick" when you
close/reopen Firefox.

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"D.Duck" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
...

What if you go into firefox options, go to the Content selector and
click on it. When it opens, about halfway down, you should see a select
box for default font and one for size. That seems to allow you to set
and hold font sizes. I just tried it on Firefox 2.0.0.11 and it works.

Have you tried that?

Yes, and I also tried it with the "Allow pages to choose their own fonts,
instead of my selections above" box both checked and unchecked. The
settings change the appearance of the text (font and size), but don't
widen the whole page to fill the display.

I just noticed something. I use "Yahoo" as my home page. It may have
something to do with their settings. I may be on to something ....

Eisboch

Try this if you haven't already.

In Firefox. Tools Options Content. Play around with the Font Size.
The default is 16. When you click on the down arrow you get a drop down
list of font sizes. If one the sizes on the list doesn't fit your exact
preferences you can manually type in a number that isn't on the list like
21.

I think that will accomplish what you're trying to do. As all html coders
are not created equal you will probably run into some sites that will be
too wide. Then the CRTL-plus/minus will have to be invoked if you don't
want to scroll horizontally.

This change will not affect other programs and will "stick" when you
close/reopen Firefox.




Thanks. I think I've discovered that the problem is unique to the Yahoo
homepage and how it is displayed in Firefox. Internet Explorer does not
exhibit the same problem ... the Yahoo page fills the entire screen.

If I do as you suggested, the text gets bigger, but the overall width of the
homepage display does not change, nor do the images. The page simply
elongates in length to accommodate the bigger text but does not expand
width-wise.

It has something to do with how the Yahoo homepage is formatted, because not
all websites have the same problem. I can live with it.

Here's a couple of jpg's of what I've been trying to describe.

Here's how Yahoo's homepage looks in Firefox when I first open it:

http://www.eisboch.com/screennormal.jpg

Here's how it looks after I hit the Ctrl+ twice:

http://www.eisboch.com/screenincreased.jpg

I am trying to get it to stay in the second condition.

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"D.Duck" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
...

What if you go into firefox options, go to the Content selector and
click on it. When it opens, about halfway down, you should see a select
box for default font and one for size. That seems to allow you to set
and hold font sizes. I just tried it on Firefox 2.0.0.11 and it works.

Have you tried that?

Yes, and I also tried it with the "Allow pages to choose their own
fonts, instead of my selections above" box both checked and unchecked.
The settings change the appearance of the text (font and size), but
don't widen the whole page to fill the display.

I just noticed something. I use "Yahoo" as my home page. It may have
something to do with their settings. I may be on to something ....

Eisboch

Try this if you haven't already.

In Firefox. Tools Options Content. Play around with the Font Size.
The default is 16. When you click on the down arrow you get a drop down
list of font sizes. If one the sizes on the list doesn't fit your exact
preferences you can manually type in a number that isn't on the list like
21.

I think that will accomplish what you're trying to do. As all html
coders are not created equal you will probably run into some sites that
will be too wide. Then the CRTL-plus/minus will have to be invoked if
you don't want to scroll horizontally.

This change will not affect other programs and will "stick" when you
close/reopen Firefox.




Thanks. I think I've discovered that the problem is unique to the Yahoo
homepage and how it is displayed in Firefox. Internet Explorer does not
exhibit the same problem ... the Yahoo page fills the entire screen.

If I do as you suggested, the text gets bigger, but the overall width of
the homepage display does not change, nor do the images. The page simply
elongates in length to accommodate the bigger text but does not expand
width-wise.

It has something to do with how the Yahoo homepage is formatted, because
not all websites have the same problem. I can live with it.

Here's a couple of jpg's of what I've been trying to describe.

Here's how Yahoo's homepage looks in Firefox when I first open it:

http://www.eisboch.com/screennormal.jpg

Here's how it looks after I hit the Ctrl+ twice:

http://www.eisboch.com/screenincreased.jpg

I am trying to get it to stay in the second condition.

Eisboch

Interesting. I'm sure no html coder and don't understand the different
affect that changing the font size has on Yahoo and other sites. I thought
CTRL +/- just changed font size. Obviously it does something a little
different. BTW, CTRL +/- will not have affect on images.

One thing I have read is that Firefox is written to exact W3C standards and
Internet Explorer is not. MS takes liberties with the standard in IE were
it suits their interests. Some very small minority of coders make sure
their sites work properly in IE and don't really care if they do in FF.
This may change as FF becomes more popular. For that reason there are a
couple of sites I visit everyday that I have to use IE for them to work
correctly.

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wrote in message
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On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 03:49:22 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"D.Duck" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
...

What if you go into firefox options, go to the Content selector and
click on it. When it opens, about halfway down, you should see a
select
box for default font and one for size. That seems to allow you to set
and hold font sizes. I just tried it on Firefox 2.0.0.11 and it works.

Have you tried that?

Yes, and I also tried it with the "Allow pages to choose their own
fonts,
instead of my selections above" box both checked and unchecked. The
settings change the appearance of the text (font and size), but don't
widen the whole page to fill the display.

I just noticed something. I use "Yahoo" as my home page. It may have
something to do with their settings. I may be on to something ....

Eisboch

Try this if you haven't already.

In Firefox. Tools Options Content. Play around with the Font Size.
The default is 16. When you click on the down arrow you get a drop down
list of font sizes. If one the sizes on the list doesn't fit your exact
preferences you can manually type in a number that isn't on the list
like
21.

I think that will accomplish what you're trying to do. As all html
coders
are not created equal you will probably run into some sites that will be
too wide. Then the CRTL-plus/minus will have to be invoked if you don't
want to scroll horizontally.

This change will not affect other programs and will "stick" when you
close/reopen Firefox.




Thanks. I think I've discovered that the problem is unique to the Yahoo
homepage and how it is displayed in Firefox. Internet Explorer does not
exhibit the same problem ... the Yahoo page fills the entire screen.

If I do as you suggested, the text gets bigger, but the overall width of
the
homepage display does not change, nor do the images. The page simply
elongates in length to accommodate the bigger text but does not expand
width-wise.

It has something to do with how the Yahoo homepage is formatted, because
not
all websites have the same problem. I can live with it.

Here's a couple of jpg's of what I've been trying to describe.

Here's how Yahoo's homepage looks in Firefox when I first open it:

http://www.eisboch.com/screennormal.jpg

Here's how it looks after I hit the Ctrl+ twice:

http://www.eisboch.com/screenincreased.jpg

I am trying to get it to stay in the second condition.

Eisboch


I don't think that's a problem with font size. First thing I would do is
check
to see if there are any updated video display drivers for your computer.


I get the same result as Eisboch.

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wrote in message
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On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:21:48 -0500, HK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

wrote:

On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:41:08 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

I don't know which one it is off the top of my head, but most of
them
can be figured out. Any settings you change will become BOLD, so
they
are easy to find again if you decide you chose the wrong setting and
want to change it.


WOW! Thanks.

I need to go back and study it for a while but I suspect the solution
to
my complaint is there.

Eisboch
If that doesn't work out, you can always just buy a bigger monitor!
LOL



OR you can go into the OS appearance/settings and make a subtle change
or
two that will resolve the problem on a permanent basis.

I've played with that. The problem is that the OS setting is perfect
for
all other programs, including Internet Explorer if I happen to open it.
If
I change it to increase the text size of Firefox, it also affects the
display of all other programs, making them too big. The Firefox
default
text size setting is smaller than that of IE or other programs, at least
that's the case on both of my laptops. You can increase it but the new
setting is active only for the current session. When you close Firefox
and
then re-open, the text size defaults back to the smaller size.

It's more of an annoyance on this HP computer due to the "widescreen"
display.

I haven't found the text size setting option yet in about:config but it
must be there somewhere.

Eisboch




What if you go into firefox options, go to the Content selector and
click on it. When it opens, about halfway down, you should see a select
box for default font and one for size. That seems to allow you to set
and hold font sizes. I just tried it on Firefox 2.0.0.11 and it works.

Have you tried that?

That is to make selections if you want to force Firefox to use your font
selections, rather than the ones on the actual webpages. You can end up
with
some pretty funny looking web pages that way.

Good point. Forgot to mention the possible down side of changing the font
size from that used to design the web page.

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"D.Duck" wrote in message
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Interesting. I'm sure no html coder and don't understand the different
affect that changing the font size has on Yahoo and other sites. I
thought CTRL +/- just changed font size. Obviously it does something a
little different. BTW, CTRL +/- will not have affect on images.

One thing I have read is that Firefox is written to exact W3C standards
and Internet Explorer is not. MS takes liberties with the standard in IE
were it suits their interests. Some very small minority of coders make
sure their sites work properly in IE and don't really care if they do in
FF. This may change as FF becomes more popular. For that reason there are
a couple of sites I visit everyday that I have to use IE for them to work
correctly.


Ahhh... your comments made my rememberer work a bit. I recall that when I
first started using Firefox several years ago (early versions) often there
were websites that did not display properly and I'd shift over to IE to view
them. It had nothing to do with add-ons like Java or anything, it was
simply the way that Firefox displayed the html code. I haven't noticed it
as much (or at all) anymore and had forgotten about the early differences
between Firefox displays and IE displays of the same code. Perhaps the code
writers are paying more attention to Firefox.

I think you have probably hit upon an explanation as to why the two browsers
format Yahoo's homepage differently, and it's also likely the reason there
is nothing in "about:config" that would relate to it. Oh well, it's not a
big deal anyway. I'll just continue hitting Ctrl+.

Eisboch

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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:21:48 -0500, HK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

wrote:
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:41:08 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

I don't know which one it is off the top of my head, but most of
them
can be figured out. Any settings you change will become BOLD, so
they
are easy to find again if you decide you chose the wrong setting
and
want to change it.


WOW! Thanks.

I need to go back and study it for a while but I suspect the
solution to my complaint is there.

Eisboch
If that doesn't work out, you can always just buy a bigger
monitor! LOL


OR you can go into the OS appearance/settings and make a subtle
change or two that will resolve the problem on a permanent basis.
I've played with that. The problem is that the OS setting is
perfect for all other programs, including Internet Explorer if I
happen to open it. If I change it to increase the text size of
Firefox, it also affects the display of all other programs, making
them too big. The Firefox default text size setting is smaller
than that of IE or other programs, at least that's the case on both
of my laptops. You can increase it but the new setting is active
only for the current session. When you close Firefox and then
re-open, the text size defaults back to the smaller size.

It's more of an annoyance on this HP computer due to the
"widescreen" display.

I haven't found the text size setting option yet in about:config
but it must be there somewhere.

Eisboch


What if you go into firefox options, go to the Content selector and
click on it. When it opens, about halfway down, you should see a
select box for default font and one for size. That seems to allow
you to set and hold font sizes. I just tried it on Firefox 2.0.0.11
and it works.

Have you tried that?

That is to make selections if you want to force Firefox to use your font
selections, rather than the ones on the actual webpages. You can end
up with
some pretty funny looking web pages that way.

Eisboch already knows which setting he wants to change. He just wants
to know
how to make his choice the permanent default.



Harry,
It looks like Salt can teach you how to use your OS and browser more
effectively.



Perhaps it does to you, Reggie, since you don't know sh*t from shoepolish.

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Eisboch wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message
...
Interesting. I'm sure no html coder and don't understand the different
affect that changing the font size has on Yahoo and other sites. I
thought CTRL +/- just changed font size. Obviously it does something a
little different. BTW, CTRL +/- will not have affect on images.

One thing I have read is that Firefox is written to exact W3C standards
and Internet Explorer is not. MS takes liberties with the standard in IE
were it suits their interests. Some very small minority of coders make
sure their sites work properly in IE and don't really care if they do in
FF. This may change as FF becomes more popular. For that reason there are
a couple of sites I visit everyday that I have to use IE for them to work
correctly.


Ahhh... your comments made my rememberer work a bit. I recall that when I
first started using Firefox several years ago (early versions) often there
were websites that did not display properly and I'd shift over to IE to view
them. It had nothing to do with add-ons like Java or anything, it was
simply the way that Firefox displayed the html code. I haven't noticed it
as much (or at all) anymore and had forgotten about the early differences
between Firefox displays and IE displays of the same code. Perhaps the code
writers are paying more attention to Firefox.

I think you have probably hit upon an explanation as to why the two browsers
format Yahoo's homepage differently, and it's also likely the reason there
is nothing in "about:config" that would relate to it. Oh well, it's not a
big deal anyway. I'll just continue hitting Ctrl+.

Eisboch




Try the adjustment I most recently mentioned. When I mess with it, I can
change the size of the font without changing the actual font. The best
thing you can do, though, is to dump the Yahoo page. It just slows
everything down with messy code, ads, and suchlike.

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HK wrote:



Perhaps it does to you, Reggie, since you don't know sh*t from shoepolish.

Harry,
Not only do I know shoepolish, but I also know Shinola. I don't know a
lot about ****, so if I have any questions I will ask you.

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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:50:16 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:45:13 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:06:00 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:


"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
If I could I would cancel Norton.

The problem is I don't know what to replace it with.

AVG Free. Automatic updates. http://free.grisoft.com/

avast! is also good.
http://www.avast.com/eng/download-avast-home.html

JimH,
Can you see how much memory AVG uses. McAfee uses about 25,000K

Less than a quarter of that.


Avast and AVG received the lowest ratings of the 12 anti-virus programs
tested by Consumer Reports. AVG was on the bottom.
--
John H

Sept '07.......you are indeed correct. Trend Micro ($40) rated #1,
avast!
(free) rated 11 and AVG (free) rated 12. The only negative comment was
regarding features on AVG.

But I have to doubt the ratings when Symantec (Norton) is rated #6. What
a
joke.

In the end, use what you are comfortable with John but I would certainly
not
rely on the Consumer Reports ratings when making the decision.


I use McAfee, as I stated many hours ago. I was simply adding information.
A couple here seem to take it personally.
--
John H

Get help Jojn. You are one sick dude.


Why the attack, Jim?
--
John H

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On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 06:45:23 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:26:59 -0500, BAR wrote:

JimH wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:06:00 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
If I could I would cancel Norton.

The problem is I don't know what to replace it with.
AVG Free. Automatic updates. http://free.grisoft.com/

avast! is also good.
http://www.avast.com/eng/download-avast-home.html
JimH,
Can you see how much memory AVG uses. McAfee uses about 25,000K
Less than a quarter of that.

Avast and AVG received the lowest ratings of the 12 anti-virus programs
tested by Consumer Reports. AVG was on the bottom.
--
John H

Sept '07.......you are indeed correct. Trend Micro ($40) rated #1, avast!
(free) rated 11 and AVG (free) rated 12. The only negative comment was
regarding features on AVG.

But I have to doubt the ratings when Symantec (Norton) is rated #6. What a
joke.

Why is it a joke?

In the end, use what you are comfortable with John but I would certainly not
rely on the Consumer Reports ratings when making the decision.

What about when buying a refrigerator?

Consumer Reports Magazine is a front for a crooked organization. Do some
research.

Meanwhile, I wouldn't trust them to wind my watch. They once did a review of car
stereos, and the top rated stereo was the factory installed unit in an AMC
Hornet!

Another time, they rated two identical VCR's with different brand names on them:
One was the top rated, and one was rated worst. When I say identical, I mean
they came off the same assembly line and the only differences were some slight
styling changes to the front bezel, and the brand name. Otherwise the exact same
unit.


I can't understand why the major media, who often quote CR reports, haven't
made a huge story over their being a front for a crooked organization. In
fact, this is the first I've heard of it. Perhaps you could enlighten us a
little.

CR often rates items produced in the same factory and given multiple names.
That's one of the pieces of information that's nice to know, and CR often
provides the data, especially with appliances.

My wife's Toyota has a very high-end sound system installed. Does the fact
it's in a Toyota make it bad?

CR is informative, and provides a way to compare items. It's not perfect,
and should not be used as a sole source. But, it provides a good starting
point.


--
John H

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On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 09:03:30 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:50:16 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:


Get help Jojn. You are one sick dude.


Why the attack, Jim?
--
John H

Because I am tired of your constant attacks on me. Got it?

PS: I expect a "Who, me?" reply from you shortly.


Did you consider my post re; consumer reports an attack on you?
--
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On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 07:20:00 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


I have tried viewing the yahoo homepage on several machines here using
Firefox, and none of them exhibit that behavior. I think your wide
aspect display is at the root of the problem. Tha's why I suggested
looking for an updated display driver.



Good thought but I use two other laptops that are *not* wide screen and the
results are the same. Hold on ... I am going to try something.

Ok. I opened both Firefox and Internet Explorer and went to a number of
websites using both. Internet Explorer displays *all* the sites in a full
screen view. Firefox displayed some full screen and some in the narrower,
compact style that it initially displays the Yahoo homepage.

So, it must be a subtle difference in how they each interpret certain
aspects of the html code.

Eisboch

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wrote in message
...
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:20:35 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


wrote in message
. ..

On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 07:20:00 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


I have tried viewing the yahoo homepage on several machines here using
Firefox, and none of them exhibit that behavior. I think your wide
aspect display is at the root of the problem. Tha's why I suggested
looking for an updated display driver.



Good thought but I use two other laptops that are *not* wide screen and
the
results are the same. Hold on ... I am going to try something.

Ok. I opened both Firefox and Internet Explorer and went to a number of
websites using both. Internet Explorer displays *all* the sites in a full
screen view. Firefox displayed some full screen and some in the narrower,
compact style that it initially displays the Yahoo homepage.

So, it must be a subtle difference in how they each interpret certain
aspects of the html code.

Eisboch




Is Netflix.com one of those that displays wrong like Yahoo? Many of
the more "interactive" type websites, such as the above two examples)
use "AJAX", which could be the source of the problem. If you google
"AJAX" you can probably find some info on it. It's sort of javascript
on steroids.

When was the last time you checked for updates to your firefox
installations?



I just tried Netflix.com (had never been there before). It opened fine
(filled screen) using Firefox. IE displayed it exactly the same way.

As for Firefox ... I have it set to automatically update. The last was a
few days ago to version 2.0.0.11.

I appreciate all the help and suggestions but I think we've beaten this
issue into the ground.
Someday the reason will become apparent. In the meanwhile D.Duck's theory
seems to make a lot of sense.

I'll just keep using Ctrl+

Eisboch

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On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 09:13:40 -0500, John H. penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|I can't understand why the major media, who often quote CR reports, haven't
|made a huge story over their being a front for a crooked organization. In
|fact, this is the first I've heard of it. Perhaps you could enlighten us a
|little.

Characteristic of a sexual intellectual, he posts "facts" that
everybody should accept as "de facto facts" and demands that you go do
his homework for him to prove his infallibility.

Now, apparently, he is also a conspiracy nut and has bought into the
"The Secret Consumerist Conspiracy!" For him, the "State Affairs
Company" is the good guys..... and the Consumers Union and Consumers
Reports are the bad guys.

Unlike salty..... I don't mind posting cites.....
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...nterest_groups
http://www.answers.com/topic/covingt...ng?cat=biz-fin
http://www.prwatch.org/prwissues/1996Q3/wolves.html

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Homepage
http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats
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On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:50:13 GMT, penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|Have you figured out that whole "clarinet issue" for yourself yet?
|
|How about the Piano tuning?

I posted the correct answer to both.

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Homepage
http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

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http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats
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On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:41:17 GMT, wrote:

On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 09:13:40 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 06:45:23 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:26:59 -0500, BAR wrote:

JimH wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:06:00 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
If I could I would cancel Norton.

The problem is I don't know what to replace it with.
AVG Free. Automatic updates. http://free.grisoft.com/

avast! is also good.
http://www.avast.com/eng/download-avast-home.html
JimH,
Can you see how much memory AVG uses. McAfee uses about 25,000K
Less than a quarter of that.

Avast and AVG received the lowest ratings of the 12 anti-virus programs
tested by Consumer Reports. AVG was on the bottom.
--
John H

Sept '07.......you are indeed correct. Trend Micro ($40) rated #1, avast!
(free) rated 11 and AVG (free) rated 12. The only negative comment was
regarding features on AVG.

But I have to doubt the ratings when Symantec (Norton) is rated #6. What a
joke.

Why is it a joke?

In the end, use what you are comfortable with John but I would certainly not
rely on the Consumer Reports ratings when making the decision.

What about when buying a refrigerator?

Consumer Reports Magazine is a front for a crooked organization. Do some
research.

Meanwhile, I wouldn't trust them to wind my watch. They once did a review of car
stereos, and the top rated stereo was the factory installed unit in an AMC
Hornet!

Another time, they rated two identical VCR's with different brand names on them:
One was the top rated, and one was rated worst. When I say identical, I mean
they came off the same assembly line and the only differences were some slight
styling changes to the front bezel, and the brand name. Otherwise the exact same
unit.


I can't understand why the major media, who often quote CR reports, haven't
made a huge story over their being a front for a crooked organization. In
fact, this is the first I've heard of it. Perhaps you could enlighten us a
little.


Do your own research if you are curious. Consumers Union is a front
for a lobbying organization. They have their own agenda that doesn't
necessarily have your own well being as a focus.

CR often rates items produced in the same factory and given multiple names.
That's one of the pieces of information that's nice to know, and CR often
provides the data, especially with appliances.


That's not what I said.


My wife's Toyota has a very high-end sound system installed. Does the fact
it's in a Toyota make it bad?


No, but the sound system in the AMC was a very low end Clarion with
single cone 5.25 inch cheapo speakers. Somehow they thought it was
better than all the Kenwoods, Alpines, and other, higher end type
equipment. Somehow I get the feekling that they could find that a
McDonalds Happy Meal was the finest restaurant meal in the world using
the same evaluation techniques.


CR is informative, and provides a way to compare items. It's not perfect,
and should not be used as a sole source. But, it provides a good starting
point.

No, it does not, unless you are easily led.


I'm not curious. You made a statement which you can't back up and I
consider false.

Furthermore, I think your AMC story is also just that, a story.

Opinions are like...oh, never mind.
--
John H

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On Dec 7, 9:22 am, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 09:03:30 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:





"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:50:16 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:

Get help Jojn. You are one sick dude.

Why the attack, Jim?
--
John H

Because I am tired of your constant attacks on me. Got it?

PS: I expect a "Who, me?" reply from you shortly.

Did you consider my post re; consumer reports an attack on you?
--
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- Show quoted text -

Jim doesn't seem to mind attacking other people, though.
Hell, he'll even insult, accuse, belittle other people's children and
spouses.

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On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:34:01 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 06:45:23 -0500, wrote:

Consumer Reports Magazine is a front for a crooked organization. Do some
research.

Meanwhile, I wouldn't trust them to wind my watch. They once did a review of car
stereos, and the top rated stereo was the factory installed unit in an AMC
Hornet!

Another time, they rated two identical VCR's with different brand names on them:
One was the top rated, and one was rated worst. When I say identical, I mean
they came off the same assembly line and the only differences were some slight
styling changes to the front bezel, and the brand name. Otherwise the exact same
unit.


I just addressed this in another NG. I think the CU ratings are more a
measuremernt of the respondents than the product with a huge margin of
error

I've felt the same for years. The surveys are self-selecting, and the
readership reflects a certain demographic, which used to be East Coast
professional class. For years the Volvo was rated as one of the most
reliable cars. CR has pushed for globalization for years, and I think
had editorials on good NAFTA would be for the consumer.
I generally don't agree with their "politics," and have found their
"science" lacking often enough.
Having said that, they have done some decent work in product
evaluation, IMO mostly smaller stuff, from toasters to washing
machines. Their main value has always been the surveys on
reliability, but for major purchases like cars I've never bought
their results except at the margins, since they always keep nearly all
raw data well-hidden.
I do believe that an item to which they award a red circle is "better"
and a black circle "worse," but beyond that all bets are off.
I think they provide value to those who otherwise would make
purchases with a shotgun approach, and if you like the mag, get it.
I was a subscriber until this year, finally deciding I didn't want it
after about 30 years of subscribing.
One thing that's happening for appliance selection is web sites
showing owner reviews, which are often more detailed than anything
CR ever did. I just bought a new washing machine and found the web
site reviews instrumental in my selection.
Newegg is excellent in this respect, and you can get really good info
on computer parts quality from the reviews. And you can detect the BS
from some owners - whose purchase is always the "right" one, something
never directly reflected in CR's colored circles. We all know how
reliable circa 1980's Volvos were, right? No, I don't want to argue
about it.

--Vic

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On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:16:10 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 13:44:39 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:41:17 GMT, wrote:

On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 09:13:40 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 06:45:23 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:26:59 -0500, BAR wrote:

JimH wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:06:00 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
If I could I would cancel Norton.

The problem is I don't know what to replace it with.
AVG Free. Automatic updates. http://free.grisoft.com/

avast! is also good.
http://www.avast.com/eng/download-avast-home.html
JimH,
Can you see how much memory AVG uses. McAfee uses about 25,000K
Less than a quarter of that.

Avast and AVG received the lowest ratings of the 12 anti-virus programs
tested by Consumer Reports. AVG was on the bottom.
--
John H

Sept '07.......you are indeed correct. Trend Micro ($40) rated #1, avast!
(free) rated 11 and AVG (free) rated 12. The only negative comment was
regarding features on AVG.

But I have to doubt the ratings when Symantec (Norton) is rated #6. What a
joke.

Why is it a joke?

In the end, use what you are comfortable with John but I would certainly not
rely on the Consumer Reports ratings when making the decision.

What about when buying a refrigerator?

Consumer Reports Magazine is a front for a crooked organization. Do some
research.

Meanwhile, I wouldn't trust them to wind my watch. They once did a review of car
stereos, and the top rated stereo was the factory installed unit in an AMC
Hornet!

Another time, they rated two identical VCR's with different brand names on them:
One was the top rated, and one was rated worst. When I say identical, I mean
they came off the same assembly line and the only differences were some slight
styling changes to the front bezel, and the brand name. Otherwise the exact same
unit.


I can't understand why the major media, who often quote CR reports, haven't
made a huge story over their being a front for a crooked organization. In
fact, this is the first I've heard of it. Perhaps you could enlighten us a
little.


Do your own research if you are curious. Consumers Union is a front
for a lobbying organization. They have their own agenda that doesn't
necessarily have your own well being as a focus.

CR often rates items produced in the same factory and given multiple names.
That's one of the pieces of information that's nice to know, and CR often
provides the data, especially with appliances.


That's not what I said.


My wife's Toyota has a very high-end sound system installed. Does the fact
it's in a Toyota make it bad?


No, but the sound system in the AMC was a very low end Clarion with
single cone 5.25 inch cheapo speakers. Somehow they thought it was
better than all the Kenwoods, Alpines, and other, higher end type
equipment. Somehow I get the feekling that they could find that a
McDonalds Happy Meal was the finest restaurant meal in the world using
the same evaluation techniques.


CR is informative, and provides a way to compare items. It's not perfect,
and should not be used as a sole source. But, it provides a good starting
point.

No, it does not, unless you are easily led.


I'm not curious. You made a statement which you can't back up and I
consider false.

Furthermore, I think your AMC story is also just that, a story.

Opinions are like...oh, never mind.

Just recently, (October 2007) Consumer Reports issued a press release
saying that they were changing their policies and would no longer
recommend new or redesigned Toyota cars or trucks until they had
actually tested them, rather than recommending them simply because
they had such a good previous record.

So much for reliable and objective reporting!

I wonder who at C.U. didn't get their "gift package"

site?
--
John H

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On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:51:35 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:24:15 -0500, John H. wrote:

On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:16:10 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 13:44:39 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:41:17 GMT, wrote:

On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 09:13:40 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 06:45:23 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:26:59 -0500, BAR wrote:

JimH wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:06:00 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
If I could I would cancel Norton.

The problem is I don't know what to replace it with.
AVG Free. Automatic updates. http://free.grisoft.com/

avast! is also good.
http://www.avast.com/eng/download-avast-home.html
JimH,
Can you see how much memory AVG uses. McAfee uses about 25,000K
Less than a quarter of that.

Avast and AVG received the lowest ratings of the 12 anti-virus programs
tested by Consumer Reports. AVG was on the bottom.
--
John H

Sept '07.......you are indeed correct. Trend Micro ($40) rated #1, avast!
(free) rated 11 and AVG (free) rated 12. The only negative comment was
regarding features on AVG.

But I have to doubt the ratings when Symantec (Norton) is rated #6. What a
joke.

Why is it a joke?

In the end, use what you are comfortable with John but I would certainly not
rely on the Consumer Reports ratings when making the decision.

What about when buying a refrigerator?

Consumer Reports Magazine is a front for a crooked organization. Do some
research.

Meanwhile, I wouldn't trust them to wind my watch. They once did a review of car
stereos, and the top rated stereo was the factory installed unit in an AMC
Hornet!

Another time, they rated two identical VCR's with different brand names on them:
One was the top rated, and one was rated worst. When I say identical, I mean
they came off the same assembly line and the only differences were some slight
styling changes to the front bezel, and the brand name. Otherwise the exact same
unit.


I can't understand why the major media, who often quote CR reports, haven't
made a huge story over their being a front for a crooked organization. In
fact, this is the first I've heard of it. Perhaps you could enlighten us a
little.


Do your own research if you are curious. Consumers Union is a front
for a lobbying organization. They have their own agenda that doesn't
necessarily have your own well being as a focus.

CR often rates items produced in the same factory and given multiple names.
That's one of the pieces of information that's nice to know, and CR often
provides the data, especially with appliances.


That's not what I said.


My wife's Toyota has a very high-end sound system installed. Does the fact
it's in a Toyota make it bad?


No, but the sound system in the AMC was a very low end Clarion with
single cone 5.25 inch cheapo speakers. Somehow they thought it was
better than all the Kenwoods, Alpines, and other, higher end type
equipment. Somehow I get the feekling that they could find that a
McDonalds Happy Meal was the finest restaurant meal in the world using
the same evaluation techniques.


CR is informative, and provides a way to compare items. It's not perfect,
and should not be used as a sole source. But, it provides a good starting
point.

No, it does not, unless you are easily led.


I'm not curious. You made a statement which you can't back up and I
consider false.

Furthermore, I think your AMC story is also just that, a story.

Opinions are like...oh, never mind.

Just recently, (October 2007) Consumer Reports issued a press release
saying that they were changing their policies and would no longer
recommend new or redesigned Toyota cars or trucks until they had
actually tested them, rather than recommending them simply because
they had such a good previous record.

So much for reliable and objective reporting!

I wonder who at C.U. didn't get their "gift package"

site?

Are you really a moron, or is this just a game you play?


*You're* the one making the statements!
--
John H

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I just tried Netflix.com (had never been there before). It opened fine
(filled screen) using Firefox. IE displayed it exactly the same way.

As for Firefox ... I have it set to automatically update. The last was a
few days ago to version 2.0.0.11.

I appreciate all the help and suggestions but I think we've beaten this
issue into the ground.
Someday the reason will become apparent. In the meanwhile D.Duck's theory
seems to make a lot of sense.

I'll just keep using Ctrl+


One more whack at the dead horse, if you please. When I go to yahoo.com
using Firefox on my wide-screen notebook, I get the same experience as you.
However, I also use Yahoo as my home page, but I don't use the generic
yahoo.com page, I use a customized page that is accessed at my.yahoo.com.
Going to my.yahoo.com using Firefox displays my home page using all the real
estate of my wide-screen. Note that there is some sort of beta version for
my.yahoo going on, and I am *not* using the beta version, I'm using the old
version. Not sure if that makes any difference, but I thought I'd give you
a heads up. There are plenty of good reasons to customize your Yahoo home
page. You can configure it to include only the type of content you want to
see, and items such as weather and market data can be customized for your
particular location or portfolio, respectively. Yahoo provides a very easy
configuration tool for customizing your home page that is accessed from the
generic page at yahoo.com. You have to initially register with a login id
and a password, but once you set your my.yahoo page as your home page in
your browser, you never have to log in again, a cookie is saved to the HD.
I think this will not only solve your wide-screen issue, but will offer a
better home page solution in general, as well. Works for me.

RG

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"RG" wrote in message
. ..
I just tried Netflix.com (had never been there before). It opened fine
(filled screen) using Firefox. IE displayed it exactly the same way.

As for Firefox ... I have it set to automatically update. The last was a
few days ago to version 2.0.0.11.

I appreciate all the help and suggestions but I think we've beaten this
issue into the ground.
Someday the reason will become apparent. In the meanwhile D.Duck's
theory seems to make a lot of sense.

I'll just keep using Ctrl+


One more whack at the dead horse, if you please. When I go to yahoo.com
using Firefox on my wide-screen notebook, I get the same experience as
you. However, I also use Yahoo as my home page, but I don't use the
generic yahoo.com page, I use a customized page that is accessed at
my.yahoo.com. Going to my.yahoo.com using Firefox displays my home page
using all the real estate of my wide-screen. Note that there is some sort
of beta version for my.yahoo going on, and I am *not* using the beta
version, I'm using the old version. Not sure if that makes any
difference, but I thought I'd give you a heads up. There are plenty of
good reasons to customize your Yahoo home page. You can configure it to
include only the type of content you want to see, and items such as
weather and market data can be customized for your particular location or
portfolio, respectively. Yahoo provides a very easy configuration tool
for customizing your home page that is accessed from the generic page at
yahoo.com. You have to initially register with a login id and a password,
but once you set your my.yahoo page as your home page in your browser, you
never have to log in again, a cookie is saved to the HD. I think this will
not only solve your wide-screen issue, but will offer a better home page
solution in general, as well. Works for me.

RG


Great suggestion. As a matter of fact, I *do* have a old custom Yahoo page
setup that I had forgotten about. I'll give it a try when I go home and use
the wide screen laptop. (On the boat tonight).

It was interesting trying to figure out why some pages display differently
in different browsers.
Still a bit of a mystery.

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"RG" wrote in message
. ..
I just tried Netflix.com (had never been there before). It opened fine
(filled screen) using Firefox. IE displayed it exactly the same way.

As for Firefox ... I have it set to automatically update. The last was
a few days ago to version 2.0.0.11.

I appreciate all the help and suggestions but I think we've beaten this
issue into the ground.
Someday the reason will become apparent. In the meanwhile D.Duck's
theory seems to make a lot of sense.

I'll just keep using Ctrl+


One more whack at the dead horse, if you please. When I go to yahoo.com
using Firefox on my wide-screen notebook, I get the same experience as
you. However, I also use Yahoo as my home page, but I don't use the
generic yahoo.com page, I use a customized page that is accessed at
my.yahoo.com. Going to my.yahoo.com using Firefox displays my home page
using all the real estate of my wide-screen. Note that there is some
sort of beta version for my.yahoo going on, and I am *not* using the beta
version, I'm using the old version. Not sure if that makes any
difference, but I thought I'd give you a heads up. There are plenty of
good reasons to customize your Yahoo home page. You can configure it to
include only the type of content you want to see, and items such as
weather and market data can be customized for your particular location or
portfolio, respectively. Yahoo provides a very easy configuration tool
for customizing your home page that is accessed from the generic page at
yahoo.com. You have to initially register with a login id and a
password, but once you set your my.yahoo page as your home page in your
browser, you never have to log in again, a cookie is saved to the HD. I
think this will not only solve your wide-screen issue, but will offer a
better home page solution in general, as well. Works for me.

RG


Great suggestion. As a matter of fact, I *do* have a old custom Yahoo
page setup that I had forgotten about. I'll give it a try when I go home
and use the wide screen laptop. (On the boat tonight).

It was interesting trying to figure out why some pages display differently
in different browsers.
Still a bit of a mystery.

Eisboch

It's all in the eyes of the coder.