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"D.Duck" wrote in message
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 03:36:08 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


I've been reading the various comments regarding Vista versus XP (while
mentally filtering some of the personal BS expressed by some) and have
reached the conclusion that I'll stick with XP for as long as I can.

I've stayed out of this, but I will say this.

My brother runs a huge IT operation and knows his stuff when it comes
to this.

His very words: "Don't buy Vista - it's going to be a diaster - stick
with XP because Vista will last only as long as it takes to build
another XP - it's going to become the ME of the MS ops line."

My wife used to have issues with her two computers until we
finally disabled Norton in them (at the advice of a computer guru). No
problems since. I had one spyware infection on my home laptop a while
back
and SpyDoctor cured it.

If I could I would cancel Norton.

The problem is I don't know what to replace it with.

I recommend the free version of AVG. I've been using it for a couple of
years with no problems what so ever. My PC is on 24/7, never a virus.

http://www.download.com/3000-2239_4-10761481.html


Promise to be very quiet? like SSSHHHHHhhhhhhh!

I disabled the embedded Norton on this laptop 3 years ago. I ran it for
over two years with no anti-virus software at all without any problems.
About 6 months ago it picked up a worm or something ... didn't hurt the
computer, but was some sort of spyware that put a new line in the registry
file that, in turn, caused the browser to occasionally be bombarded with
unwanted advertising.

After trying a couple of free anti spyware programs (including one from MS)
that were only temporarily successful, I installed "Spyware Doctor" from PC
Tools. It removed all the spyware junk, including the file in the registry
that keep restarting the problem. No problem since, and I still don't run a
full anti-virus program. Spyware Doctor runs in the background, doesn't
seem to slow the computer down at all, automatically updates, scans and
fixes any suspicious files, malware or cookies that may have been picked up.
I haven't had any issues since installing it.

I am also not an addicted web surfer either, so maybe it just hasn't
happened yet.

I like Firefox. Actually, I really don't see a huge difference using it as
compared to IE.
The only annoying issue with it is setting the text size. You can increase
or decrease it easily from the default, but you have to do it every time the
program starts. It would be nice if it could be set and stay set even after
closing and then restarting Firefox.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 03:36:08 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

I've been reading the various comments regarding Vista versus XP (while
mentally filtering some of the personal BS expressed by some) and have
reached the conclusion that I'll stick with XP for as long as I can.
I've stayed out of this, but I will say this.

My brother runs a huge IT operation and knows his stuff when it comes
to this.

His very words: "Don't buy Vista - it's going to be a diaster - stick
with XP because Vista will last only as long as it takes to build
another XP - it's going to become the ME of the MS ops line."

My wife used to have issues with her two computers until we
finally disabled Norton in them (at the advice of a computer guru). No
problems since. I had one spyware infection on my home laptop a while
back
and SpyDoctor cured it.
If I could I would cancel Norton.

The problem is I don't know what to replace it with.
I recommend the free version of AVG. I've been using it for a couple of
years with no problems what so ever. My PC is on 24/7, never a virus.

http://www.download.com/3000-2239_4-10761481.html


Promise to be very quiet? like SSSHHHHHhhhhhhh!

I disabled the embedded Norton on this laptop 3 years ago. I ran it for
over two years with no anti-virus software at all without any problems.
About 6 months ago it picked up a worm or something ... didn't hurt the
computer, but was some sort of spyware that put a new line in the registry
file that, in turn, caused the browser to occasionally be bombarded with
unwanted advertising.

After trying a couple of free anti spyware programs (including one from MS)
that were only temporarily successful, I installed "Spyware Doctor" from PC
Tools. It removed all the spyware junk, including the file in the registry
that keep restarting the problem. No problem since, and I still don't run a
full anti-virus program. Spyware Doctor runs in the background, doesn't
seem to slow the computer down at all, automatically updates, scans and
fixes any suspicious files, malware or cookies that may have been picked up.
I haven't had any issues since installing it.

I am also not an addicted web surfer either, so maybe it just hasn't
happened yet.

I like Firefox. Actually, I really don't see a huge difference using it as
compared to IE.
The only annoying issue with it is setting the text size. You can increase
or decrease it easily from the default, but you have to do it every time the
program starts. It would be nice if it could be set and stay set even after
closing and then restarting Firefox.

Eisboch



It can be done that way, but through your laptop windoze settings. If
you don't know how to do that, I'll be glad to talk you through it.

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wrote:
On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:03:23 -0500, HK wrote:

JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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John H. wrote:
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:06:00 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
If I could I would cancel Norton.

The problem is I don't know what to replace it with.
AVG Free. Automatic updates. http://free.grisoft.com/

avast! is also good.
http://www.avast.com/eng/download-avast-home.html
JimH,
Can you see how much memory AVG uses. McAfee uses about 25,000K
Less than a quarter of that.
Avast and AVG received the lowest ratings of the 12 anti-virus programs
tested by Consumer Reports. AVG was on the bottom.
Well, that does it for me...a low rating on a computer security program
from Consumers Reports. Yup. That's definitive.
*Norton* was rated #6. ~giggle~


The latest Norton suite is also touted by PC Mag, but I had so many
problems with the 2006 version, I dumped it and I doubt I would try it
again. In addition to the fact it is nearly impossible to remove from
the registry and from "hidden locations," I thought it was incredibly
bloated, and I could tell it was slowing everything down.

Running Symantec Anti-virus on over 3000 desktops and lotsa Netware
and a few Windows servers here without any serious problems. "Norton
Suite" is not primarily an anti-virus, and should not be lumped in
with this discusssion.




The norton internet and security suites include NAV.

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wrote:
On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:31:05 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:03:23 -0500, HK wrote:

JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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John H. wrote:
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:06:00 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
If I could I would cancel Norton.

The problem is I don't know what to replace it with.
AVG Free. Automatic updates. http://free.grisoft.com/

avast! is also good.
http://www.avast.com/eng/download-avast-home.html
JimH,
Can you see how much memory AVG uses. McAfee uses about 25,000K
Less than a quarter of that.
Avast and AVG received the lowest ratings of the 12 anti-virus programs
tested by Consumer Reports. AVG was on the bottom.
Well, that does it for me...a low rating on a computer security program
from Consumers Reports. Yup. That's definitive.
*Norton* was rated #6. ~giggle~


The latest Norton suite is also touted by PC Mag, but I had so many
problems with the 2006 version, I dumped it and I doubt I would try it
again. In addition to the fact it is nearly impossible to remove from
the registry and from "hidden locations," I thought it was incredibly
bloated, and I could tell it was slowing everything down.
Running Symantec Anti-virus on over 3000 desktops and lotsa Netware
and a few Windows servers here without any serious problems. "Norton
Suite" is not primarily an anti-virus, and should not be lumped in
with this discusssion.



The norton internet and security suites include NAV.

Understood. However, comparing a "suite" with a standalone anti-virus
and trying to compare footprints and complexity is absurd, and shows a
general lack of understanding of the subject. You may as well compare
MS Notepad to Adobe Professional and complain that the Adobe product
seems big, slow and bloated.


Oh, please. Go split those hairs with the hairsplitters here who give a
damn. I don't. Screw Symantec and its crapware.

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HK wrote:



The norton internet and security suites include NAV.

Understood. However, comparing a "suite" with a standalone anti-virus
and trying to compare footprints and complexity is absurd, and shows a
general lack of understanding of the subject. You may as well compare
MS Notepad to Adobe Professional and complain that the Adobe product
seems big, slow and bloated.


Oh, please. Go split those hairs with the hairsplitters here who give a
damn. I don't. Screw Symantec and its crapware.

Wow, what is wrong with you today. His point about the foot print of a
stand along AV and a complete suite including a firewall, spyware
blocker and Internet blocker is 100% on track. I don't like Norton, but
it is not splitting hairs to point out that you are comparing apples and
oranges.

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On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 12:44:50 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:


If I could I would cancel Norton.

The problem is I don't know what to replace it with.

I've been using the free versions of AVG and Zone Alarm
for a couple years, and both have done the trick, AVG
detecting virii, and ZA detecting attempted intrusions,
and "successful" intrusions that attempt to connect to the net.
You might be surprised at how many legit applications do net
connections.
Since AVG/ZA work so well I haven't bothered buying the paid versions,
which offer "tweaking" and more control.
I've gone in the direction of simplicity of late, and it's working.
I do Ghost my OS, and used to reinstall an image if I suspected
malware, but haven't had to do that since installing AVG and ZA.
I have never used CR as an authority on anything, but just as an
additional voice. There is far more computer hardware/software
expertise to be found on the net and NGs than in CR.

--Vic

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Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 12:44:50 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:


If I could I would cancel Norton.

The problem is I don't know what to replace it with.

I've been using the free versions of AVG and Zone Alarm
for a couple years, and both have done the trick, AVG
detecting virii, and ZA detecting attempted intrusions,
and "successful" intrusions that attempt to connect to the net.
You might be surprised at how many legit applications do net
connections.
Since AVG/ZA work so well I haven't bothered buying the paid versions,
which offer "tweaking" and more control.
I've gone in the direction of simplicity of late, and it's working.
I do Ghost my OS, and used to reinstall an image if I suspected
malware, but haven't had to do that since installing AVG and ZA.
I have never used CR as an authority on anything, but just as an
additional voice. There is far more computer hardware/software
expertise to be found on the net and NGs than in CR.

--Vic


I'm using a Russian setup I paid for on my VISTA machine, mainly because
it seems to have a lighter footprint AND it has support forums
frequented by folks who really know their stuff and are ready, willing
and able to help immediately with any idiosyncracies and to crap on the
few "Reggie" types who find their way in there.

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On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:18:49 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
If I could I would cancel Norton.

The problem is I don't know what to replace it with.
AVG Free. Automatic updates. http://free.grisoft.com/

avast! is also good. http://www.avast.com/eng/download-avast-home.html
JimH,
Can you see how much memory AVG uses. McAfee uses about 25,000K

Less than a quarter of that.



That would have been my guess. McAfee is a memory hog.

A quick look shows AVG processes use about 30k. I don't see that as
an issue.

--Vic

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HK wrote:



I'm using a Russian setup I paid for on my VISTA machine, mainly because
it seems to have a lighter footprint AND it has support forums
frequented by folks who really know their stuff and are ready, willing
and able to help immediately with any idiosyncracies and to crap on the
few "Reggie" types who find their way in there.

I am really glad you found a good forum to help you with your Russian
setup. What Russian setup are you using?

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Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:18:49 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
If I could I would cancel Norton.

The problem is I don't know what to replace it with.
AVG Free. Automatic updates. http://free.grisoft.com/

avast! is also good. http://www.avast.com/eng/download-avast-home.html
JimH,
Can you see how much memory AVG uses. McAfee uses about 25,000K
Less than a quarter of that.


That would have been my guess. McAfee is a memory hog.

A quick look shows AVG processes use about 30k. I don't see that as
an issue.

--Vic

I guess McAfee is pretty good then. I have 2GB of Ram, so it has not
been a problem with my new computer, the old one with 512mb was very slow.

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"D.Duck" wrote in message
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 03:36:08 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


I've been reading the various comments regarding Vista versus XP (while
mentally filtering some of the personal BS expressed by some) and have
reached the conclusion that I'll stick with XP for as long as I can.

I've stayed out of this, but I will say this.

My brother runs a huge IT operation and knows his stuff when it comes
to this.

His very words: "Don't buy Vista - it's going to be a diaster - stick
with XP because Vista will last only as long as it takes to build
another XP - it's going to become the ME of the MS ops line."

My wife used to have issues with her two computers until we
finally disabled Norton in them (at the advice of a computer guru). No
problems since. I had one spyware infection on my home laptop a while
back
and SpyDoctor cured it.

If I could I would cancel Norton.

The problem is I don't know what to replace it with.

I recommend the free version of AVG. I've been using it for a couple of
years with no problems what so ever. My PC is on 24/7, never a virus.

http://www.download.com/3000-2239_4-10761481.html


Promise to be very quiet? like SSSHHHHHhhhhhhh!

I disabled the embedded Norton on this laptop 3 years ago. I ran it for
over two years with no anti-virus software at all without any problems.
About 6 months ago it picked up a worm or something ... didn't hurt the
computer, but was some sort of spyware that put a new line in the registry
file that, in turn, caused the browser to occasionally be bombarded with
unwanted advertising.

After trying a couple of free anti spyware programs (including one from
MS) that were only temporarily successful, I installed "Spyware Doctor"
from PC Tools. It removed all the spyware junk, including the file in the
registry that keep restarting the problem. No problem since, and I still
don't run a full anti-virus program. Spyware Doctor runs in the
background, doesn't seem to slow the computer down at all, automatically
updates, scans and fixes any suspicious files, malware or cookies that may
have been picked up. I haven't had any issues since installing it.

I am also not an addicted web surfer either, so maybe it just hasn't
happened yet.

I like Firefox. Actually, I really don't see a huge difference using it
as compared to IE.
The only annoying issue with it is setting the text size. You can
increase or decrease it easily from the default, but you have to do it
every time the program starts. It would be nice if it could be set and
stay set even after closing and then restarting Firefox.

Eisboch

Are you aware of CRTL and minus key, CRTL and plus key. They easily change
the text size up or down.

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On Dec 6, 11:42 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
HK wrote:

I'm using a Russian setup I paid for on my VISTA machine, mainly because
it seems to have a lighter footprint AND it has support forums
frequented by folks who really know their stuff and are ready, willing
and able to help immediately with any idiosyncracies and to crap on the
few "Reggie" types who find their way in there.

I am really glad you found a good forum to help you with your Russian
setup. What Russian setup are you using?

I'm guessing Kaspersky.

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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:18:49 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
If I could I would cancel Norton.

The problem is I don't know what to replace it with.
AVG Free. Automatic updates. http://free.grisoft.com/

avast! is also good.
http://www.avast.com/eng/download-avast-home.html
JimH,
Can you see how much memory AVG uses. McAfee uses about 25,000K

Less than a quarter of that.



That would have been my guess. McAfee is a memory hog.

A quick look shows AVG processes use about 30k. I don't see that as
an issue.

--Vic

I think you misread the process information.

There are three AVG process typically running:

avgamsvr.exe
avgcc.exe
avgupsvc.exe

Depending what AVG is doing when you look the total can vary from about 2MB
to about 5MB.

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On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:38:59 -0500, HK wrote:



I'm using a Russian setup I paid for on my VISTA machine, mainly because
it seems to have a lighter footprint AND it has support forums
frequented by folks who really know their stuff and are ready, willing
and able to help immediately with any idiosyncracies and to crap on the
few "Reggie" types who find their way in there.

"Russian setup?"
What are the main issues with Vista?
My son says it is slower in booting, and has "eye appeal."
I know it's needed for DirectX 10, which is already required
for some MS games, Halo II being the big one.
There is a improvement over XP for graphical apps.
Personally, if I were offered a choice on a new PC, I would go with
it, but I'm a gamer.
It certainly doesn't scare me as a "personal user."
The resentment against MS is understandable in some respects, but
overall there has been a vast improvement in PC OS's in terms of ease
of use. Much of this "making it easier" is the reason for the
"bloatware" charge.
But I may prejudiced there as I'm fairly "computer literate."
Business use has additional concerns over personal use, but as a
"personal user" can you give some details about Vista's benefits
over XP? Real or perceived.

--Vic

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Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:38:59 -0500, HK wrote:


I'm using a Russian setup I paid for on my VISTA machine, mainly because
it seems to have a lighter footprint AND it has support forums
frequented by folks who really know their stuff and are ready, willing
and able to help immediately with any idiosyncracies and to crap on the
few "Reggie" types who find their way in there.

"Russian setup?"
What are the main issues with Vista?
My son says it is slower in booting, and has "eye appeal."
I know it's needed for DirectX 10, which is already required
for some MS games, Halo II being the big one.
There is a improvement over XP for graphical apps.
Personally, if I were offered a choice on a new PC, I would go with
it, but I'm a gamer.
It certainly doesn't scare me as a "personal user."
The resentment against MS is understandable in some respects, but
overall there has been a vast improvement in PC OS's in terms of ease
of use. Much of this "making it easier" is the reason for the
"bloatware" charge.
But I may prejudiced there as I'm fairly "computer literate."
Business use has additional concerns over personal use, but as a
"personal user" can you give some details about Vista's benefits
over XP? Real or perceived.

--Vic




I haven't had "issues" with VISTA for a long time. I was an early
adopter, and back then, there were not many anti-vi suites that worked
properly with it. Now, that is not an issue.

Boot speed seems more closely tied to what you are loading up with the
OS in addition to the OS itself. I don't load a lot of autoloading
applications when I boot up the OS.

I don't actually play any computer games, other than an older version of
MS Golf, so I can't really respond to how VISTA is as a gamer's OS.

Other than the fancy windowdressing, the main reason I prefer VISTA is
that the 32-bit version handles more memory than XP Pro.

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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:08:50 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:18:49 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
If I could I would cancel Norton.

The problem is I don't know what to replace it with.
AVG Free. Automatic updates. http://free.grisoft.com/

avast! is also good.
http://www.avast.com/eng/download-avast-home.html
JimH,
Can you see how much memory AVG uses. McAfee uses about 25,000K

Less than a quarter of that.



That would have been my guess. McAfee is a memory hog.

A quick look shows AVG processes use about 30k. I don't see that as
an issue.

--Vic

I think you misread the process information.

There are three AVG process typically running:

avgamsvr.exe
avgcc.exe
avgupsvc.exe

Depending what AVG is doing when you look the total can vary from about 2MB
to about 5MB.

I've also got guard.exe running using 23k, and a quick google showed
that to be an AVG module. Let me know if it's malware.

--Vic

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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:08:50 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:18:49 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in
message
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JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
If I could I would cancel Norton.

The problem is I don't know what to replace it with.
AVG Free. Automatic updates. http://free.grisoft.com/

avast! is also good.
http://www.avast.com/eng/download-avast-home.html
JimH,
Can you see how much memory AVG uses. McAfee uses about 25,000K

Less than a quarter of that.



That would have been my guess. McAfee is a memory hog.

A quick look shows AVG processes use about 30k. I don't see that as
an issue.

--Vic

I think you misread the process information.

There are three AVG process typically running:

avgamsvr.exe
avgcc.exe
avgupsvc.exe

Depending what AVG is doing when you look the total can vary from about
2MB
to about 5MB.

I've also got guard.exe running using 23k, and a quick google showed
that to be an AVG module. Let me know if it's malware.

--Vic

Do you have the pay version of AVG. I'm using the free version and there is
no guide.exe included.

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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:39:27 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:



Do you have the pay version of AVG. I'm using the free version and there is
no guide.exe included.

Free version. It's guard.exe

Oh Oh.

--Vic

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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:41:44 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:



guard.exe runs at 1,732k on my machine.

guard.exe - http://forum.grisoft.cz/freeforum/re...?9,89884,90153

I was reading the VM.

--Vic

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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:39:27 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:



Do you have the pay version of AVG. I'm using the free version and there
is
no guide.exe included.

Free version. It's guard.exe

Oh Oh.

--Vic

I did a little searching. The guard.exe file is used by AVG to make sure
some rogue hasn't put a block on the AVG update server in the Windows Hosts
file.

Why my free AVG doesn't have it, I have no idea. For a long time I've had
the habit of periodically checking the Hosts file for unwanted entries.

Hope this helps.

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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:30:21 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

I did a little searching. The guard.exe file is used by AVG to make sure
some rogue hasn't put a block on the AVG update server in the Windows Hosts
file.

Why my free AVG doesn't have it, I have no idea. For a long time I've had
the habit of periodically checking the Hosts file for unwanted entries.

Hope this helps.

I looked a bit too and as usual got conflicting info, which I don't
care to sort out. If anything fits the description of "if it ain't
broke don't fix it," it's gotta be PC apps.
I used to like doing it, but that got old and I now only do what's
necessary - to me.

--Vic

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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:45:13 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:06:00 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:


"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
om...
JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
If I could I would cancel Norton.

The problem is I don't know what to replace it with.

AVG Free. Automatic updates. http://free.grisoft.com/

avast! is also good.
http://www.avast.com/eng/download-avast-home.html

JimH,
Can you see how much memory AVG uses. McAfee uses about 25,000K

Less than a quarter of that.


Avast and AVG received the lowest ratings of the 12 anti-virus programs
tested by Consumer Reports. AVG was on the bottom.
--
John H

Sept '07.......you are indeed correct. Trend Micro ($40) rated #1, avast!
(free) rated 11 and AVG (free) rated 12. The only negative comment was
regarding features on AVG.

But I have to doubt the ratings when Symantec (Norton) is rated #6. What a
joke.

In the end, use what you are comfortable with John but I would certainly not
rely on the Consumer Reports ratings when making the decision.


I use McAfee, as I stated many hours ago. I was simply adding information.
A couple here seem to take it personally.
--
John H

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I like Firefox. Actually, I really don't see a huge difference using it
as compared to IE.
The only annoying issue with it is setting the text size. You can
increase or decrease it easily from the default, but you have to do it
every time the program starts. It would be nice if it could be set and
stay set even after closing and then restarting Firefox.

Eisboch

Are you aware of CRTL and minus key, CRTL and plus key. They easily
change the text size up or down.


Yes, and that's what I do. It sounds stupid and lazy, but I wish there was
a way to keep it from defaulting back to the "normal" size every time you
open Firefox. No big deal, but it's the only complaint I have with the
program.

Eisboch

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"D.Duck" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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I like Firefox. Actually, I really don't see a huge difference using
it
as compared to IE.
The only annoying issue with it is setting the text size. You can
increase or decrease it easily from the default, but you have to do it
every time the program starts. It would be nice if it could be set and
stay set even after closing and then restarting Firefox.

Eisboch

Are you aware of CRTL and minus key, CRTL and plus key. They easily
change the text size up or down.


Yes, and that's what I do. It sounds stupid and lazy, but I wish there
was
a way to keep it from defaulting back to the "normal" size every time you
open Firefox. No big deal, but it's the only complaint I have with the
program.

Eisboch


In the address window of the browser type:

about:config

and hit your enter key. You'l be presented with a few zillion
preference settings for the browser including default font size.

I don't know which one it is off the top of my head, but most of them
can be figured out. Any settings you change will become BOLD, so they
are easy to find again if you decide you chose the wrong setting and
want to change it.



WOW! Thanks.

I need to go back and study it for a while but I suspect the solution to my
complaint is there.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:17:58 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"D.Duck" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

I like Firefox. Actually, I really don't see a huge difference using
it
as compared to IE.
The only annoying issue with it is setting the text size. You can
increase or decrease it easily from the default, but you have to do it
every time the program starts. It would be nice if it could be set and
stay set even after closing and then restarting Firefox.

Eisboch
Are you aware of CRTL and minus key, CRTL and plus key. They easily
change the text size up or down.

Yes, and that's what I do. It sounds stupid and lazy, but I wish there
was
a way to keep it from defaulting back to the "normal" size every time you
open Firefox. No big deal, but it's the only complaint I have with the
program.

Eisboch

In the address window of the browser type:

about:config

and hit your enter key. You'l be presented with a few zillion
preference settings for the browser including default font size.

I don't know which one it is off the top of my head, but most of them
can be figured out. Any settings you change will become BOLD, so they
are easy to find again if you decide you chose the wrong setting and
want to change it.



WOW! Thanks.

I need to go back and study it for a while but I suspect the solution to my
complaint is there.

Eisboch




Oi!

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JimH wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:06:00 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
If I could I would cancel Norton.

The problem is I don't know what to replace it with.
AVG Free. Automatic updates. http://free.grisoft.com/

avast! is also good.
http://www.avast.com/eng/download-avast-home.html
JimH,
Can you see how much memory AVG uses. McAfee uses about 25,000K
Less than a quarter of that.

Avast and AVG received the lowest ratings of the 12 anti-virus programs
tested by Consumer Reports. AVG was on the bottom.
--
John H

Sept '07.......you are indeed correct. Trend Micro ($40) rated #1, avast!
(free) rated 11 and AVG (free) rated 12. The only negative comment was
regarding features on AVG.

But I have to doubt the ratings when Symantec (Norton) is rated #6. What a
joke.

Why is it a joke?

In the end, use what you are comfortable with John but I would certainly not
rely on the Consumer Reports ratings when making the decision.

What about when buying a refrigerator?

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wrote:
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:41:08 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:17:58 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"D.Duck" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

I like Firefox. Actually, I really don't see a huge difference
using it
as compared to IE.
The only annoying issue with it is setting the text size. You can
increase or decrease it easily from the default, but you have to do
it
every time the program starts. It would be nice if it could be set
and
stay set even after closing and then restarting Firefox.

Eisboch
Are you aware of CRTL and minus key, CRTL and plus key. They easily
change the text size up or down.

Yes, and that's what I do. It sounds stupid and lazy, but I wish
there was
a way to keep it from defaulting back to the "normal" size every time
you
open Firefox. No big deal, but it's the only complaint I have with
the
program.

Eisboch

In the address window of the browser type:

about:config

and hit your enter key. You'l be presented with a few zillion
preference settings for the browser including default font size.

I don't know which one it is off the top of my head, but most of them
can be figured out. Any settings you change will become BOLD, so they
are easy to find again if you decide you chose the wrong setting and
want to change it.


WOW! Thanks.

I need to go back and study it for a while but I suspect the solution to
my complaint is there.

Eisboch

If that doesn't work out, you can always just buy a bigger monitor! LOL




OR you can go into the OS appearance/settings and make a subtle change or
two that will resolve the problem on a permanent basis.

If Vista is the same as earlier MS OSs, 98, etc, that will not affect the
text size in browser windows.

The solution form Salty is what he was looking for.

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D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
wrote:
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:41:08 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:17:58 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"D.Duck" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
I like Firefox. Actually, I really don't see a huge difference
using it
as compared to IE.
The only annoying issue with it is setting the text size. You can
increase or decrease it easily from the default, but you have to do
it
every time the program starts. It would be nice if it could be set
and
stay set even after closing and then restarting Firefox.

Eisboch
Are you aware of CRTL and minus key, CRTL and plus key. They easily
change the text size up or down.

Yes, and that's what I do. It sounds stupid and lazy, but I wish
there was
a way to keep it from defaulting back to the "normal" size every time
you
open Firefox. No big deal, but it's the only complaint I have with
the
program.

Eisboch

In the address window of the browser type:

about:config

and hit your enter key. You'l be presented with a few zillion
preference settings for the browser including default font size.

I don't know which one it is off the top of my head, but most of them
can be figured out. Any settings you change will become BOLD, so they
are easy to find again if you decide you chose the wrong setting and
want to change it.


WOW! Thanks.

I need to go back and study it for a while but I suspect the solution to
my complaint is there.

Eisboch
If that doesn't work out, you can always just buy a bigger monitor! LOL



OR you can go into the OS appearance/settings and make a subtle change or
two that will resolve the problem on a permanent basis.

If Vista is the same as earlier MS OSs, 98, etc, that will not affect the
text size in browser windows.

The solution form Salty is what he was looking for.


Yeah, it does. Also you can change the size of displayed type generally
in the appearance submenus by change a percentage number. I've done it
for years.

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"HK" wrote in message
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D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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wrote:
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:41:08 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:17:58 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"D.Duck" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
I like Firefox. Actually, I really don't see a huge difference
using it
as compared to IE.
The only annoying issue with it is setting the text size. You can
increase or decrease it easily from the default, but you have to
do it
every time the program starts. It would be nice if it could be
set and
stay set even after closing and then restarting Firefox.

Eisboch
Are you aware of CRTL and minus key, CRTL and plus key. They
easily
change the text size up or down.

Yes, and that's what I do. It sounds stupid and lazy, but I wish
there was
a way to keep it from defaulting back to the "normal" size every
time you
open Firefox. No big deal, but it's the only complaint I have with
the
program.

Eisboch

In the address window of the browser type:

about:config

and hit your enter key. You'l be presented with a few zillion
preference settings for the browser including default font size.

I don't know which one it is off the top of my head, but most of them
can be figured out. Any settings you change will become BOLD, so they
are easy to find again if you decide you chose the wrong setting and
want to change it.


WOW! Thanks.

I need to go back and study it for a while but I suspect the solution
to my complaint is there.

Eisboch
If that doesn't work out, you can always just buy a bigger monitor! LOL



OR you can go into the OS appearance/settings and make a subtle change
or two that will resolve the problem on a permanent basis.

If Vista is the same as earlier MS OSs, 98, etc, that will not affect the
text size in browser windows.

The solution form Salty is what he was looking for.
Yeah, it does. Also you can change the size of displayed type generally in
the appearance submenus by change a percentage number. I've done it for
years.

Do I understand you to say that if, for example, you have a Word doc open
with text entered in the doc and you change the desktop Properties
Appearance Font size from Normal to Extra Large, the text in the doc will
increase in size? Not the doc font size but the physical size as it appears
on your monitor.

If yours does that, you must have a special version of XP that I've never
seen before.

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D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
wrote:
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:41:08 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

wrote in message
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:17:58 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"D.Duck" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
I like Firefox. Actually, I really don't see a huge difference
using it
as compared to IE.
The only annoying issue with it is setting the text size. You can
increase or decrease it easily from the default, but you have to
do it
every time the program starts. It would be nice if it could be
set and
stay set even after closing and then restarting Firefox.

Eisboch
Are you aware of CRTL and minus key, CRTL and plus key. They
easily
change the text size up or down.

Yes, and that's what I do. It sounds stupid and lazy, but I wish
there was
a way to keep it from defaulting back to the "normal" size every
time you
open Firefox. No big deal, but it's the only complaint I have with
the
program.

Eisboch

In the address window of the browser type:

about:config

and hit your enter key. You'l be presented with a few zillion
preference settings for the browser including default font size.

I don't know which one it is off the top of my head, but most of them
can be figured out. Any settings you change will become BOLD, so they
are easy to find again if you decide you chose the wrong setting and
want to change it.


WOW! Thanks.

I need to go back and study it for a while but I suspect the solution
to my complaint is there.

Eisboch
If that doesn't work out, you can always just buy a bigger monitor! LOL


OR you can go into the OS appearance/settings and make a subtle change
or two that will resolve the problem on a permanent basis.
If Vista is the same as earlier MS OSs, 98, etc, that will not affect the
text size in browser windows.

The solution form Salty is what he was looking for.
Yeah, it does. Also you can change the size of displayed type generally in
the appearance submenus by change a percentage number. I've done it for
years.

Do I understand you to say that if, for example, you have a Word doc open
with text entered in the doc and you change the desktop Properties
Appearance Font size from Normal to Extra Large, the text in the doc will
increase in size? Not the doc font size but the physical size as it appears
on your monitor.

If yours does that, you must have a special version of XP that I've never
seen before.





Never tried it in WORD, but when I use my XP laptop and either firefox
or t'bird, my settings changes make the type size in those apps larger.
Next time I fire up the laptop, I'll check word.

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D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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wrote:
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:41:08 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

wrote in message
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:17:58 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"D.Duck" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
I like Firefox. Actually, I really don't see a huge difference
using it
as compared to IE.
The only annoying issue with it is setting the text size. You
can
increase or decrease it easily from the default, but you have to
do it
every time the program starts. It would be nice if it could be
set and
stay set even after closing and then restarting Firefox.

Eisboch
Are you aware of CRTL and minus key, CRTL and plus key. They
easily
change the text size up or down.

Yes, and that's what I do. It sounds stupid and lazy, but I wish
there was
a way to keep it from defaulting back to the "normal" size every
time you
open Firefox. No big deal, but it's the only complaint I have
with the
program.

Eisboch

In the address window of the browser type:

about:config

and hit your enter key. You'l be presented with a few zillion
preference settings for the browser including default font size.

I don't know which one it is off the top of my head, but most of
them
can be figured out. Any settings you change will become BOLD, so
they
are easy to find again if you decide you chose the wrong setting
and
want to change it.


WOW! Thanks.

I need to go back and study it for a while but I suspect the
solution to my complaint is there.

Eisboch
If that doesn't work out, you can always just buy a bigger monitor!
LOL


OR you can go into the OS appearance/settings and make a subtle change
or two that will resolve the problem on a permanent basis.
If Vista is the same as earlier MS OSs, 98, etc, that will not affect
the text size in browser windows.

The solution form Salty is what he was looking for.
Yeah, it does. Also you can change the size of displayed type generally
in the appearance submenus by change a percentage number. I've done it
for years.

Do I understand you to say that if, for example, you have a Word doc open
with text entered in the doc and you change the desktop Properties
Appearance Font size from Normal to Extra Large, the text in the doc
will increase in size? Not the doc font size but the physical size as it
appears on your monitor.

If yours does that, you must have a special version of XP that I've never
seen before.





Never tried it in WORD, but when I use my XP laptop and either firefox or
t'bird, my settings changes make the type size in those apps larger.
Next time I fire up the laptop, I'll check word.

I think the places you'll find the text size change will be the desktop
itself Task Bar, Start menu, Title Bar and Tool Bars of open applications.
Places like that. It will not affect the text size within the browser
window if we're discussing browsers, Word document text size, Excel
spreadsheet text size, to name a few.

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D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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wrote:
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:41:08 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:17:58 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"D.Duck" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
I like Firefox. Actually, I really don't see a huge difference
using it
as compared to IE.
The only annoying issue with it is setting the text size. You
can
increase or decrease it easily from the default, but you have to
do it
every time the program starts. It would be nice if it could be
set and
stay set even after closing and then restarting Firefox.

Eisboch
Are you aware of CRTL and minus key, CRTL and plus key. They
easily
change the text size up or down.

Yes, and that's what I do. It sounds stupid and lazy, but I wish
there was
a way to keep it from defaulting back to the "normal" size every
time you
open Firefox. No big deal, but it's the only complaint I have
with the
program.

Eisboch

In the address window of the browser type:

about:config

and hit your enter key. You'l be presented with a few zillion
preference settings for the browser including default font size.

I don't know which one it is off the top of my head, but most of
them
can be figured out. Any settings you change will become BOLD, so
they
are easy to find again if you decide you chose the wrong setting
and
want to change it.


WOW! Thanks.

I need to go back and study it for a while but I suspect the
solution to my complaint is there.

Eisboch
If that doesn't work out, you can always just buy a bigger monitor!
LOL


OR you can go into the OS appearance/settings and make a subtle change
or two that will resolve the problem on a permanent basis.
If Vista is the same as earlier MS OSs, 98, etc, that will not affect
the text size in browser windows.

The solution form Salty is what he was looking for.
Yeah, it does. Also you can change the size of displayed type generally
in the appearance submenus by change a percentage number. I've done it
for years.
Do I understand you to say that if, for example, you have a Word doc open
with text entered in the doc and you change the desktop Properties
Appearance Font size from Normal to Extra Large, the text in the doc
will increase in size? Not the doc font size but the physical size as it
appears on your monitor.

If yours does that, you must have a special version of XP that I've never
seen before.




Never tried it in WORD, but when I use my XP laptop and either firefox or
t'bird, my settings changes make the type size in those apps larger.
Next time I fire up the laptop, I'll check word.

I think the places you'll find the text size change will be the desktop
itself Task Bar, Start menu, Title Bar and Tool Bars of open applications.
Places like that. It will not affect the text size within the browser
window if we're discussing browsers, Word document text size, Excel
spreadsheet text size, to name a few.




Nope. On XP you can go into desktop appearance and change the font and
size of all sorts of things. While the labels in there might read "X" I
found through experimentation they also applied to "Y" in some important
cases.

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HK wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:41:08 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

wrote in message
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:17:58 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"D.Duck" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

I like Firefox. Actually, I really don't see a huge difference
using it
as compared to IE.
The only annoying issue with it is setting the text size. You can
increase or decrease it easily from the default, but you have to
do it
every time the program starts. It would be nice if it could be
set and
stay set even after closing and then restarting Firefox.

Eisboch
Are you aware of CRTL and minus key, CRTL and plus key. They easily
change the text size up or down.

Yes, and that's what I do. It sounds stupid and lazy, but I wish
there was
a way to keep it from defaulting back to the "normal" size every
time you
open Firefox. No big deal, but it's the only complaint I have with
the
program.

Eisboch

In the address window of the browser type:

about:config

and hit your enter key. You'l be presented with a few zillion
preference settings for the browser including default font size.

I don't know which one it is off the top of my head, but most of them
can be figured out. Any settings you change will become BOLD, so they
are easy to find again if you decide you chose the wrong setting and
want to change it.


WOW! Thanks.

I need to go back and study it for a while but I suspect the solution
to my complaint is there.

Eisboch

If that doesn't work out, you can always just buy a bigger monitor! LOL




OR you can go into the OS appearance/settings and make a subtle change
or two that will resolve the problem on a permanent basis.

Harry,
I understand you are the computer expert in the NG, and Vista might be
different, but that does not change your font size of the web page
itself in WinXP.

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D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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wrote:
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:41:08 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

wrote in message
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:17:58 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"D.Duck" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
I like Firefox. Actually, I really don't see a huge
difference using it
as compared to IE.
The only annoying issue with it is setting the text size. You
can
increase or decrease it easily from the default, but you have
to do it
every time the program starts. It would be nice if it could
be set and
stay set even after closing and then restarting Firefox.

Eisboch
Are you aware of CRTL and minus key, CRTL and plus key. They
easily
change the text size up or down.

Yes, and that's what I do. It sounds stupid and lazy, but I
wish there was
a way to keep it from defaulting back to the "normal" size every
time you
open Firefox. No big deal, but it's the only complaint I have
with the
program.

Eisboch

In the address window of the browser type:

about:config

and hit your enter key. You'l be presented with a few zillion
preference settings for the browser including default font size.

I don't know which one it is off the top of my head, but most of
them
can be figured out. Any settings you change will become BOLD, so
they
are easy to find again if you decide you chose the wrong setting
and
want to change it.


WOW! Thanks.

I need to go back and study it for a while but I suspect the
solution to my complaint is there.

Eisboch
If that doesn't work out, you can always just buy a bigger monitor!
LOL


OR you can go into the OS appearance/settings and make a subtle
change or two that will resolve the problem on a permanent basis.
If Vista is the same as earlier MS OSs, 98, etc, that will not affect
the text size in browser windows.

The solution form Salty is what he was looking for.
Yeah, it does. Also you can change the size of displayed type
generally in the appearance submenus by change a percentage number.
I've done it for years.
Do I understand you to say that if, for example, you have a Word doc
open with text entered in the doc and you change the desktop Properties
Appearance Font size from Normal to Extra Large, the text in the
doc will increase in size? Not the doc font size but the physical size
as it appears on your monitor.

If yours does that, you must have a special version of XP that I've
never seen before.




Never tried it in WORD, but when I use my XP laptop and either firefox
or t'bird, my settings changes make the type size in those apps larger.
Next time I fire up the laptop, I'll check word.

I think the places you'll find the text size change will be the desktop
itself Task Bar, Start menu, Title Bar and Tool Bars of open
applications. Places like that. It will not affect the text size within
the browser window if we're discussing browsers, Word document text size,
Excel spreadsheet text size, to name a few.


Nope. On XP you can go into desktop appearance and change the font and
size of all sorts of things. While the labels in there might read "X" I
found through experimentation they also applied to "Y" in some important
cases.

But "Y" doesn't apply to browser window html text or any of my other
examples. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :)

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HK wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
wrote:
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:41:08 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:17:58 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"D.Duck" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
I like Firefox. Actually, I really don't see a huge
difference using it
as compared to IE.
The only annoying issue with it is setting the text size.
You can
increase or decrease it easily from the default, but you
have to do it
every time the program starts. It would be nice if it
could be set and
stay set even after closing and then restarting Firefox.

Eisboch
Are you aware of CRTL and minus key, CRTL and plus key.
They easily
change the text size up or down.

Yes, and that's what I do. It sounds stupid and lazy, but I
wish there was
a way to keep it from defaulting back to the "normal" size
every time you
open Firefox. No big deal, but it's the only complaint I
have with the
program.

Eisboch

In the address window of the browser type:

about:config

and hit your enter key. You'l be presented with a few zillion
preference settings for the browser including default font size.

I don't know which one it is off the top of my head, but most
of them
can be figured out. Any settings you change will become BOLD,
so they
are easy to find again if you decide you chose the wrong
setting and
want to change it.


WOW! Thanks.

I need to go back and study it for a while but I suspect the
solution to my complaint is there.

Eisboch
If that doesn't work out, you can always just buy a bigger
monitor! LOL


OR you can go into the OS appearance/settings and make a subtle
change or two that will resolve the problem on a permanent basis.
If Vista is the same as earlier MS OSs, 98, etc, that will not
affect the text size in browser windows.

The solution form Salty is what he was looking for.
Yeah, it does. Also you can change the size of displayed type
generally in the appearance submenus by change a percentage number.
I've done it for years.
Do I understand you to say that if, for example, you have a Word doc
open with text entered in the doc and you change the desktop
Properties Appearance Font size from Normal to Extra Large, the
text in the doc will increase in size? Not the doc font size but
the physical size as it appears on your monitor.

If yours does that, you must have a special version of XP that I've
never seen before.




Never tried it in WORD, but when I use my XP laptop and either
firefox or t'bird, my settings changes make the type size in those
apps larger.
Next time I fire up the laptop, I'll check word.

I think the places you'll find the text size change will be the
desktop itself Task Bar, Start menu, Title Bar and Tool Bars of open
applications. Places like that. It will not affect the text size
within the browser window if we're discussing browsers, Word document
text size, Excel spreadsheet text size, to name a few.



Nope. On XP you can go into desktop appearance and change the font and
size of all sorts of things. While the labels in there might read "X" I
found through experimentation they also applied to "Y" in some important
cases.

I understand that you are a computer guru, but on WinXP it changes the
font size of the window, icons and menu's, but does not change the font
size of the web page.

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I like Firefox. Actually, I really don't see a huge
difference using it
as compared to IE.
The only annoying issue with it is setting the text size. You
can
increase or decrease it easily from the default, but you have
to do it
every time the program starts. It would be nice if it could
be set and
stay set even after closing and then restarting Firefox.

Eisboch
Are you aware of CRTL and minus key, CRTL and plus key. They
easily
change the text size up or down.

Yes, and that's what I do. It sounds stupid and lazy, but I
wish there was
a way to keep it from defaulting back to the "normal" size every
time you
open Firefox. No big deal, but it's the only complaint I have
with the
program.

Eisboch

In the address window of the browser type:

about:config

and hit your enter key. You'l be presented with a few zillion
preference settings for the browser including default font size.

I don't know which one it is off the top of my head, but most of
them
can be figured out. Any settings you change will become BOLD, so
they
are easy to find again if you decide you chose the wrong setting
and
want to change it.


WOW! Thanks.

I need to go back and study it for a while but I suspect the
solution to my complaint is there.

Eisboch
If that doesn't work out, you can always just buy a bigger monitor!
LOL


OR you can go into the OS appearance/settings and make a subtle
change or two that will resolve the problem on a permanent basis.
If Vista is the same as earlier MS OSs, 98, etc, that will not affect
the text size in browser windows.

The solution form Salty is what he was looking for.
Yeah, it does. Also you can change the size of displayed type
generally in the appearance submenus by change a percentage number.
I've done it for years.
Do I understand you to say that if, for example, you have a Word doc
open with text entered in the doc and you change the desktop Properties
Appearance Font size from Normal to Extra Large, the text in the
doc will increase in size? Not the doc font size but the physical size
as it appears on your monitor.

If yours does that, you must have a special version of XP that I've
never seen before.



Never tried it in WORD, but when I use my XP laptop and either firefox
or t'bird, my settings changes make the type size in those apps larger.
Next time I fire up the laptop, I'll check word.
I think the places you'll find the text size change will be the desktop
itself Task Bar, Start menu, Title Bar and Tool Bars of open
applications. Places like that. It will not affect the text size within
the browser window if we're discussing browsers, Word document text size,
Excel spreadsheet text size, to name a few.

Nope. On XP you can go into desktop appearance and change the font and
size of all sorts of things. While the labels in there might read "X" I
found through experimentation they also applied to "Y" in some important
cases.

But "Y" doesn't apply to browser window html text or any of my other
examples. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :)



It is possible that Harry knows something we don't.

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I agree wholeheartedly with your comments. I was a Vista beta tester, and
when it was over, I was back to XP. They invited me for the SP1 beta, and
I said no thanks.



One other "observation". I stopped using Internet Explorer and use only
Firefox for the web.
I still use Outlook Express for mail and newsgroups because frankly, I've
never experienced a problem with it, nor do I find it difficult or lacking
in features to use. I tried Thunderbird and Agent and just didn't care for
their formats.

Eisboch



Try Seamonkey. It's the best of both worlds integrated into one suite
and it's still from Mozilla.

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/

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I've been reading the various comments regarding Vista versus XP (while
mentally filtering some of the personal BS expressed by some) and have
reached the conclusion that I'll stick with XP for as long as I can.

I've stayed out of this, but I will say this.

My brother runs a huge IT operation and knows his stuff when it comes
to this.

His very words: "Don't buy Vista - it's going to be a diaster - stick
with XP because Vista will last only as long as it takes to build
another XP - it's going to become the ME of the MS ops line."

My wife used to have issues with her two computers until we
finally disabled Norton in them (at the advice of a computer guru). No
problems since. I had one spyware infection on my home laptop a while
back
and SpyDoctor cured it.

If I could I would cancel Norton.

The problem is I don't know what to replace it with.

Norton, I got rid of when it kept locking up the previous desktop computer.
I went to AVG Free and works great. Used it a couple of years now. The
laptop came with McAfee, and just did not like it. Do not remember exactly
why. After a year, I went to AVG Free on the laptop.

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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:41:08 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


I don't know which one it is off the top of my head, but most of them
can be figured out. Any settings you change will become BOLD, so they
are easy to find again if you decide you chose the wrong setting and
want to change it.


WOW! Thanks.

I need to go back and study it for a while but I suspect the solution to
my complaint is there.

Eisboch

If that doesn't work out, you can always just buy a bigger monitor! LOL




OR you can go into the OS appearance/settings and make a subtle change or
two that will resolve the problem on a permanent basis.

I've played with that. The problem is that the OS setting is perfect for
all other programs, including Internet Explorer if I happen to open it. If
I change it to increase the text size of Firefox, it also affects the
display of all other programs, making them too big. The Firefox default
text size setting is smaller than that of IE or other programs, at least
that's the case on both of my laptops. You can increase it but the new
setting is active only for the current session. When you close Firefox and
then re-open, the text size defaults back to the smaller size.

It's more of an annoyance on this HP computer due to the "widescreen"
display.

I haven't found the text size setting option yet in about:config but it
must be there somewhere.

Eisboch