On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 00:15:39 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:05:30 -0700, Jeff Burke
wrote:

On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:42:10 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:21:18 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Dec 3, 1:17 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message

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Noticed this item...
http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/200...ay-hijack.html

Here, you would just sue Ebay.

Bull****.

I'd say he's got one hell of a case. eBay is responsible for their
servers - they they were hacked, they are responsible.

Usually these things happen when a user gives their password to a phishing
expedition, not an eBay problem, an idiot problem.

Well, based on my experience with Pay Pal, I certainly have some
questions about their "security".

Up to that point I had never had a Pay Pal account. I wanted to bid
on something I was interested in, so I set one up.

Within two hours, I had four fake Pay Pal emails and that day, had
about ten - all the same, but different addresses.

Then I stared getting eBay messages about paying for items I never bid
on.

I canceled the Pay Pal account, deleted the email account I set up for
it and havne't heard word one since.

I don't think they have any "security".

Tom, my hotmail account gets that many or more, and I've never used Ebay or
PayPal.
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On Dec 3, 5:59 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:


I get those emails and I don't have an eBay account.


After I made my 5th transaction on ebay, i started getting emails
congratulating me on being a "power seller" and sent me a link to fill
out for application to be in the Power Seller "Gold Club" All they
requested was my handle and password.

uh-huh


uh-huh

He wired the money...very very dumb. Many people don't know it, but if
you are in good, long term standing with your CC co. , you can get them
to agree to raise your limit temporarily by, say, 20k, by depositing
that much into the account. Then to finance the Ebay purchase with it
through PayPal. No calling Bull**** either, I've done it. For that
amount. You then have all the protections a CC purchase and PayPal gives
you.
JR

Don White wrote:
Noticed this item...
http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/200...ay-hijack.html




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"DB" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Don White" wrote in message
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Noticed this item...
http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/200...ay-hijack.html


Here, you would just sue Ebay.


And ebay's lawyers would promptly bury you in paperwork for the next 10
years.


Just have to get a jury date. Good lawyer, and jury that has heard about
crap of the RICH Ebay.

"DB" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:05:30 -0700, Jeff Burke
wrote:

On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:42:10 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing

wrote:
On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:21:18 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Dec 3, 1:17 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message

...

Noticed this item...
http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/200...ay-hijack.html

Here, you would just sue Ebay.

Bull****.

I'd say he's got one hell of a case. eBay is responsible for their
servers - they they were hacked, they are responsible.

Usually these things happen when a user gives their password to a
phishing
expedition, not an eBay problem, an idiot problem.

Well, based on my experience with Pay Pal, I certainly have some
questions about their "security".

Up to that point I had never had a Pay Pal account. I wanted to bid
on something I was interested in, so I set one up.

Within two hours, I had four fake Pay Pal emails and that day, had
about ten - all the same, but different addresses.

Then I stared getting eBay messages about paying for items I never bid
on.

I canceled the Pay Pal account, deleted the email account I set up for
it and havne't heard word one since.

I don't think they have any "security".

And if the scammed guy brings up all this in a jury case, the jury may
just award a large amount of punitive damages in addition to the actual
damages. Ebay claims they are just the marketplace, but marketplaces are
also responsible for what happens in thier marketplace.

Have you ever actually filed a lawsuit against a company with a big legal
dept in another state or in this case in another country? I had a simple
money owed lawsuit in the same state which was legally speaking a slam
dunk. The defendant was an individual with a lawyer who was not even
especially bright. The defendant signed contracts agreeing to pay for
services performed. The defendant's own expert witness testified in court
that the services had indeed been performed satisfactorily. The "simple"
suit created 1000 pages+ of documents took 28 months to get to court, 4
more months for the judges decision to come down and 4 more months after
that to collect what I was owed from the start according to signed legally
binding contracts. I was lucky to collect anything. As often as not
defendants turn out to be judgement proof.



You need better lawyers.

On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 23:35:49 -0500, "DB"
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Maybe the phisher changed the email contact information in the ebay account
after he accessed it. He may have also locked the real seller out

God point - didn't think of that.

I got one of these. Works for both paypal and ebay. Best $5 I ever spent.

https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/we...ityKey-outside

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 23:35:49 -0500, "DB"
wrote:

Maybe the phisher changed the email contact information in the ebay
account
after he accessed it. He may have also locked the real seller out

God point - didn't think of that.

On Dec 3, 4:48 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Dec 3, 3:49 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 12:01:44 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Dec 3, 2:42 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:21:18 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Dec 3, 1:17 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message

. ..

Noticed this item...
http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/200...ay-hijack.html

Here, you would just sue Ebay.

Bull****.

I'd say he's got one hell of a case. eBay is responsible for their
servers - they they were hacked, they are responsible.

Nope, not necessarily.

Ok, just for the sake of discussion, what's the caveat?- Hide quoted
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Well, for one thing, they hijacked an individual's page. Then if you
read Ebay's disclaimers you'll see that they ask you to you OnGuard
Online to protect yourself. Then, it's been proven in courts from
other's trying to sue them that they are nothing more than a
"marketplace that links buyers and sellers". The fact is that the
buyer is responsible for their actions. They can choose not to deal
with a seller or not.

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It's a joint effort by resellers, such as Ebay, and the gov't. to try
and halt phishing and hijacking.
http://onguardonline.gov/index.html

In article ,
Don White wrote:
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:"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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: "Bob" wrote in message
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: I had my eBay account hijacked not too long ago. I started getting
: eMail confirmations regarding items I had supposely put up for
: sale...someone in the Far East was using it to try and sell athletic
: shoes and all kinds of what appeared to be gray market goods. I have
: no idea how they got my password as I am very aware of phishing schemes
: and the like. When I found out about it, I immediately changed my eBay
: password, cancelled the items for sale, and also contacted eBay and
: have not had any problems since. But it was a very odd experience.
:
:
: I get those emails and I don't have an eBay account.
:
:
:Same here. I always used to get e-mails telling me that there was a problem
:with my PayPal account and I should confirm data.
:I never have had , nor will I ever have a 'PayPal' account... or purchase
:anything off e-Bay.

In my case, the items were definitely put up for sale under my eBay
account. And for a little while until I changed my password, as soon
as I would remove them, they would go back up.

On Dec 4, 7:24 am, "jamesgangnc" wrote:
I got one of these. Works for both paypal and ebay. Best $5 I ever spent.

https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/we...curitycenter/g...

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On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 23:35:49 -0500, "DB"
wrote:

Maybe the phisher changed the email contact information in the ebay
account
after he accessed it. He may have also locked the real seller out

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Isn't that rich..Paypal leaves all kinds of openings in their
security, then charges you to close them. Sounds like a protection
racket to me