Canuck57 wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..

That's correct: many if not most things are no longer made in the USA,
but if you are going to buy foreign-made goods, and we all do, you can
still try to avoid goods made in countries like the People's Republic of
China.
Over-priced union labor moved most manufacturing offshore.

Don't forget overpriced management.

12M year CEO pays for a lot of workers a producing.



A guy who is the CEO of a company that has 20,000 employees and his
leadership increases profits by 20% what is a fair wage for that type of
performance?

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:09:21 -0500, HK wrote:

I was just packing away my Garmin GPS for the winter and of course I
remember it was not manufactured in the USA. But it was manufactured in
Taiwan, which is acceptable. Now is there anything inside its case that
was made in the PRC? I am sure there is. But I can't control that. Had
the unit carried a Made in China label, I would not have purchased it.

You do realise that Taiwan is China right?


Technically, but not practically. Conditions there are not the same as
they are in the PRC for many important reasons.

Canuck57 wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
...by not buying a damned thing either at a real store or an internet
store. :}


We did all go out to dinner last night, at a restaurant where none of the
food was produced in China.

Did you turn the plates over to see if they were made in China? What about
the cutlery? Might have been Mexico, Japan or Korea.

You might want to give up the anti-China thing.

Doubt the GPS or depth finder you us is really made in the USA. Even if it
says made in the US, open it up - 90% or more of the parts came from Asia.
Fishing line? Knives?

Could get really hard to enjoy life without those Asian made stuff. But
with the US dollar being so soft on the world markets, yep our
banking/congress system sure has made it more expensive.



Why should I give up the anti-PRC thing? I don't have problems with
goods made in Japan or Korea.

On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:13:09 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
...
...by not buying a damned thing either at a real store or an internet
store. :}


We did all go out to dinner last night, at a restaurant where none of the
food was produced in China.





My daughter and her boyfriend went to the mall yesterday and got some good
deals, particularly at the Gap.

Mrs. H and I stayed home........I watch college football most of the day and
never left the house.

Glad you had a nice quiet day. Before long you'll have grandkids to mess up
your whole Thanksgiving. Better change your attitude before that happens!
--
John H

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
Canuck57 wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..

That's correct: many if not most things are no longer made in the USA,
but if you are going to buy foreign-made goods, and we all do, you can
still try to avoid goods made in countries like the People's Republic
of China.
Over-priced union labor moved most manufacturing offshore.

Don't forget overpriced management.

12M year CEO pays for a lot of workers a producing.



A guy who is the CEO of a company that has 20,000 employees and his
leadership increases profits by 20% what is a fair wage for that type of
performance?

I don't hear the CEOs of Ford or GM having their wages garnished because of
the domestic auto tailspin.

On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 23:08:37 GMT, "Canuck57"
wrote:

Fishing line? Knives?

Actually, my fishing line is made in Putnam by Woodstock Line.

As to knives? Made by Russel Harrington in Southbridge, MA. My
Leatherman tools are made in Portland, OR. My fishing knives are all
Buck and made in Idaho.

Ah - life is good. :)

On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:20:56 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:09:21 -0500, HK wrote:

I was just packing away my Garmin GPS for the winter and of course I
remember it was not manufactured in the USA. But it was manufactured in
Taiwan, which is acceptable. Now is there anything inside its case that
was made in the PRC? I am sure there is. But I can't control that. Had
the unit carried a Made in China label, I would not have purchased it.

You do realise that Taiwan is China right?

Technically, but not practically. Conditions there are not the same as
they are in the PRC for many important reasons.

You know, and I mean this in a complimentary way, you have an amazing
ability to rationalize anything.

It's truly remarkable. :)

On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:13:12 -0500, BAR wrote:

Canuck57 wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..

That's correct: many if not most things are no longer made in the USA,
but if you are going to buy foreign-made goods, and we all do, you can
still try to avoid goods made in countries like the People's Republic of
China.
Over-priced union labor moved most manufacturing offshore.

Don't forget overpriced management.

12M year CEO pays for a lot of workers a producing.

A guy who is the CEO of a company that has 20,000 employees and his
leadership increases profits by 20% what is a fair wage for that type of
performance?

That's an interesting subject - just what is "fair" compensation.

Take Dick Grasso for example. A lot of economists, including
Greenspan, give him total credit for saving the economy almost single
handed through sheer force of personality and hard work after 9/11 in
getting the merchantile and stock exchanges to work in concert on
reopening.

He was paid 160 million when he was retired and you'd think he raped
everybody's mother.

Personally, if he had been paid one billion it wouldn't have been
enough for that performance.

On the other hand, how much is what's his face at Exxon worth who
happened to stumble onto a bubble in oil trading and, basically did
nothing for his upty ump million dollar "bonus"?

It's a tricky question.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:20:56 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:09:21 -0500, HK wrote:

I was just packing away my Garmin GPS for the winter and of course I
remember it was not manufactured in the USA. But it was manufactured in
Taiwan, which is acceptable. Now is there anything inside its case that
was made in the PRC? I am sure there is. But I can't control that. Had
the unit carried a Made in China label, I would not have purchased it.
You do realise that Taiwan is China right?
Technically, but not practically. Conditions there are not the same as
they are in the PRC for many important reasons.

You know, and I mean this in a complimentary way, you have an amazing
ability to rationalize anything.

It's truly remarkable. :)


You're comparing life in Taiwan to life in the PRC? Taiwan, as part of
the ROC, is a democracy and its residents choose their leaders in free
elections. The PRC is a dictatorship.

On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 23:47:45 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 23:08:37 GMT, "Canuck57"
wrote:

Fishing line? Knives?

Actually, my fishing line is made in Putnam by Woodstock Line.

As to knives? Made by Russel Harrington in Southbridge, MA. My
Leatherman tools are made in Portland, OR. My fishing knives are all
Buck and made in Idaho.

Ah - life is good. :)

While visiting a friend in the Netherlands, I gave him a Leatherman I'd
ordered from LLBean as a Christmas present. I was proud of the fact it was
a quality tool made in the USA.

When he opened it, he said it was made in Taiwan. I thought he was talking
about the box and told him so. He then showed my on the pliers tool the
stamp, "Made in Taiwan". I was so ****ed at LLBean!

When I got back to Stuttgart, I called LLBean. They immediately sent me
another, telling me not to worry about returning the earlier one. The one
they sent was made in the USA. I've never seen LLBean sell another one made
in Taiwan. I think the Leatherman folks got the word on that fiasco.
--
John H