Eisboch wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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I happen to know a lot about union apprenticeship programs in the
masonry, electrical and plumbing trades. "sweat shops"
Good grief Harry.

Sometimes I think you know more about deep frying turkeys.

Have you ever considered that your little slice of experience in the world
is exactly that .... a little slice?

Eisboch


I take objection to the implication contained in your generalization, "None
of the programs is aimed at turning out low-end residential workers who
build houses. That's for the unskilled
work force".

Why do you find it necessary to fire low blows to anybody or group that does
not subscribe exactly to your POV. For a liberal, you seem very closed
minded sometimes.

Eisboch




It's not a generalization. The union apprenticeship programs are not
aimed at turning out workers who build subdivision houses, Eisboch.
Virtually all of that work is done non-union, for low wages, and
increasingly by undocumented piece work workers who for the most part
are untrained and marginally skilled.

"HK" wrote in message
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It's not a generalization. The union apprenticeship programs are not aimed
at turning out workers who build subdivision houses, Eisboch. Virtually
all of that work is done non-union, for low wages, and increasingly by
undocumented piece work workers who for the most part are untrained and
marginally skilled.

There you go again, with the "for the most part are untrained and marginally
skilled".

We decided to install a pool. We hired an electrical contractor to do the
wiring. Happened to be non-union, but that really didn't matter in our
decision. We went with them because of good references and reputation.

The contractor pulls a permit to do the work.
He has both licenced and guys doing OJT do the work.
The contractor checks on their work and resolves any issues.
Being interested and nosey, I also observe their work.

The contractor calls the electrical inspector to check and sign off on the
work performed at various stages of construction. The electrical inspector,
who didn't know this particular contractor, is very impressed with the
quality of work.

Fill up the pool, turn it on ..... every works in a complex and safe
electrical system.

Now, according to you, this was all done by untrained and marginally skilled
people.

Final comment ....

I worked in industry for many years. I've have the opportunity to work with
both union and non union electricians in very large companys and at Ma and
Pa shops. I could tell stories about some "Union" electricians ... the most
famous being the "qualified" electrician, me and the head of the Omega Laser
system at the University of Rochester, but but I won't.


Eisboch

On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:05:51 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

I worked in industry for many years. I've have the opportunity to work with
both union and non union electricians in very large companys and at Ma and
Pa shops. I could tell stories about some "Union" electricians ... the most
famous being the "qualified" electrician, me and the head of the Omega Laser
system at the University of Rochester, but but I won't.

Oh come on - I want to hear it.

I swap you my Union electrician story when we were building the new
shop for yours.

I'll bet it's just as funny. :)