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[email protected] November 2nd 07 02:58 PM

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My wife has always wanted to learn to sail, and have a sailboat, this
one seems to fit us, and is trailerable. I know bass boats, not
sailboats, so please take a look. I went and looked at it, and for
it's age, it's immaculate. He acts as he'll come down a little. Thanks.


[email protected] November 2nd 07 03:06 PM

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On Nov 2, 10:58 am, wrote:
My wife has always wanted to learn to sail, and have a sailboat, this
one seems to fit us, and is trailerable. I know bass boats, not
sailboats, so please take a look. I went and looked at it, and for
it's age, it's immaculate. He acts as he'll come down a little. Thanks.


I suppose the link would be a good idea, sorry!

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/boa/465785774.html



Don White November 2nd 07 03:27 PM

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wrote in message
ps.com...
On Nov 2, 10:58 am, wrote:
My wife has always wanted to learn to sail, and have a sailboat, this
one seems to fit us, and is trailerable. I know bass boats, not
sailboats, so please take a look. I went and looked at it, and for
it's age, it's immaculate. He acts as he'll come down a little. Thanks.


I suppose the link would be a good idea, sorry!

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/boa/465785774.html



A well known brand name and lots around. (although not so much in my area)
The price is very reasonable.
With a weight of approx 2500 unloaded and a trailer weight of at least 600
lbs, a vehicle capable of towing 3500 could be maxed out.
You may want to join a club with a mooring rather than trailering/rigging
this boat.
Did the guy say the trailer was custom or homemade?
I think I'd pay the $200 or so for a survey before buying.
http://www.sailboatowners.com/review...alina&model=22



Short Wave Sportfishing November 2nd 07 04:04 PM

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On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:06:57 -0000, wrote:

On Nov 2, 10:58 am, wrote:
My wife has always wanted to learn to sail, and have a sailboat, this
one seems to fit us, and is trailerable. I know bass boats, not
sailboats, so please take a look. I went and looked at it, and for
it's age, it's immaculate. He acts as he'll come down a little. Thanks.


I suppose the link would be a good idea, sorry!

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/boa/465785774.html

When I sold my Halman, the buyer was comparing it to a boat similar to
this. From a price standpoint, it's about right if it's in really
good condition. If he'll come down a tad, you might be golden.

I would also echo Don's advice on this - it's not a trailerable as in
tow, rig and throw in the water easily. The Halman was doable, but
after trying it once in the front yard, it's not as easy as you might
think.

I also concur - a couple of hundred to have it surveyed would be an
excellant idea.

Nice choice though.

[email protected] November 2nd 07 04:56 PM

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On Nov 2, 11:27 am, "Don White" wrote:
wrote in message

ps.com...

On Nov 2, 10:58 am, wrote:
My wife has always wanted to learn to sail, and have a sailboat, this
one seems to fit us, and is trailerable. I know bass boats, not
sailboats, so please take a look. I went and looked at it, and for
it's age, it's immaculate. He acts as he'll come down a little. Thanks.


I suppose the link would be a good idea, sorry!


http://atlanta.craigslist.org/boa/465785774.html


A well known brand name and lots around. (although not so much in my area)
The price is very reasonable.
With a weight of approx 2500 unloaded and a trailer weight of at least 600
lbs, a vehicle capable of towing 3500 could be maxed out.
You may want to join a club with a mooring rather than trailering/rigging
this boat.
Did the guy say the trailer was custom or homemade?
I think I'd pay the $200 or so for a survey before buying.http://www.sailboatowners.com/review...0&brand=Catali...


Thanks for the advice.


[email protected] November 2nd 07 04:58 PM

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On Nov 2, 12:04 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:06:57 -0000, wrote:
On Nov 2, 10:58 am, wrote:
My wife has always wanted to learn to sail, and have a sailboat, this
one seems to fit us, and is trailerable. I know bass boats, not
sailboats, so please take a look. I went and looked at it, and for
it's age, it's immaculate. He acts as he'll come down a little. Thanks.


I suppose the link would be a good idea, sorry!


http://atlanta.craigslist.org/boa/465785774.html


When I sold my Halman, the buyer was comparing it to a boat similar to
this. From a price standpoint, it's about right if it's in really
good condition. If he'll come down a tad, you might be golden.

I would also echo Don's advice on this - it's not a trailerable as in
tow, rig and throw in the water easily. The Halman was doable, but
after trying it once in the front yard, it's not as easy as you might
think.

I also concur - a couple of hundred to have it surveyed would be an
excellant idea.

Nice choice though.


I was wondering about that. It certainly doesn't look like it'd be as
easy as launching my bass boat! So that means at the very least I'll
have to spring for seasonal storage at the lake, and tow it to the
house for the winter.


Don White November 2nd 07 05:43 PM

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wrote in message
ups.com...
On Nov 2, 11:27 am, "Don White" wrote:
wrote in message

ps.com...

On Nov 2, 10:58 am, wrote:
My wife has always wanted to learn to sail, and have a sailboat, this
one seems to fit us, and is trailerable. I know bass boats, not
sailboats, so please take a look. I went and looked at it, and for
it's age, it's immaculate. He acts as he'll come down a little.
Thanks.


I suppose the link would be a good idea, sorry!


http://atlanta.craigslist.org/boa/465785774.html


A well known brand name and lots around. (although not so much in my
area)
The price is very reasonable.
With a weight of approx 2500 unloaded and a trailer weight of at least
600
lbs, a vehicle capable of towing 3500 could be maxed out.
You may want to join a club with a mooring rather than trailering/rigging
this boat.
Did the guy say the trailer was custom or homemade?
I think I'd pay the $200 or so for a survey before
buying.http://www.sailboatowners.com/review...0&brand=Catali...


Thanks for the advice.


You know... as I think about this, if your wife is the one anxious to sail,
I'd run out and buy a sailboat before she changes her mind. ;-)

Here is a Canadian boat in the same size range that's popular in central
Canada.
http://sailquest.com/market/models/sirius.htm
I've thought about this boat but I'd have the same three problems....
1/ lousy shallow ramps here with floats usually 100 feet away from ramp
2/ solo rigging & sailing.. (can be done by energenic organized sailor)
3/ large load for standard midsize cars/SUVs




Ernest Scribbler November 2nd 07 07:57 PM

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wrote
It certainly doesn't look like it'd be as
easy as launching my bass boat!


I envy the bass boat guys at the ramp.

Raising and lowering the mast and launching or retrieving a boat with single
digit horsepower and a keel hanging under it isn't all that hard, but it
isn't trivial either. If I had to trailer my sailboat any time I wanted to
use it, I probably wouldn't use it much. The flipside is sailboats are
generally better suited to staying in the water than motorboats. No
expensive machinery below the waterline, cockpits that are designed with
getting wet in mind, that kind of thing.

If you go for that Cat 22, it probably wouldn't be hard to resell it at the
guy's asking price if you decide it isn't for you.



Don White November 2nd 07 08:26 PM

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wrote in message
oups.com...
My wife has always wanted to learn to sail, and have a sailboat, this
one seems to fit us, and is trailerable. I know bass boats, not
sailboats, so please take a look. I went and looked at it, and for
it's age, it's immaculate. He acts as he'll come down a little. Thanks.


Since no one else is gonna step up & say it........
Try to find her sailing lessons... 1st on a dinghy like a 420, and then on a
keel boat. She'll enjoy the classes and might even make some friends who
already have a boat...saving you $4500.
I crewed for 5 years on someone elses boat.. first a Viking 28 and then a
Mirage 33. Helps to find a generous skipper who pays all the freight. ;-)



[email protected] November 2nd 07 08:33 PM

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On Nov 2, 1:43 pm, "Don White" wrote:
wrote in message

ups.com...





On Nov 2, 11:27 am, "Don White" wrote:
wrote in message


oups.com...


On Nov 2, 10:58 am, wrote:
My wife has always wanted to learn to sail, and have a sailboat, this
one seems to fit us, and is trailerable. I know bass boats, not
sailboats, so please take a look. I went and looked at it, and for
it's age, it's immaculate. He acts as he'll come down a little.
Thanks.


I suppose the link would be a good idea, sorry!


http://atlanta.craigslist.org/boa/465785774.html


A well known brand name and lots around. (although not so much in my
area)
The price is very reasonable.
With a weight of approx 2500 unloaded and a trailer weight of at least
600
lbs, a vehicle capable of towing 3500 could be maxed out.
You may want to join a club with a mooring rather than trailering/rigging
this boat.
Did the guy say the trailer was custom or homemade?
I think I'd pay the $200 or so for a survey before
buying.http://www.sailboatowners.com/review...0&brand=Catali...


Thanks for the advice.


You know... as I think about this, if your wife is the one anxious to sail,
I'd run out and buy a sailboat before she changes her mind. ;-)

Here is a Canadian boat in the same size range that's popular in central
Canada.http://sailquest.com/market/models/sirius.htm
I've thought about this boat but I'd have the same three problems....
1/ lousy shallow ramps here with floats usually 100 feet away from ramp
2/ solo rigging & sailing.. (can be done by energenic organized sailor)
3/ large load for standard midsize cars/SUVs



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I might suggest a smaller open or daysailer just to learn. Something
like a 17-20 foot Bluejay or similar would be great to learn on. Go
check out some "class" racing out of some yacht club local one day.
Look at the double handed 17-19 foot class, They are a lot of fun,
pleytiful and as someone told me, the best way to learn to sail is to
follow a bunch of similar boats around a race course... When you can
beat a few of them, you are learning to sail...


Eisboch November 2nd 07 08:44 PM

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wrote in message
ups.com...


I might suggest a smaller open or daysailer just to learn. Something
like a 17-20 foot Bluejay or similar would be great to learn on. Go
check out some "class" racing out of some yacht club local one day.
Look at the double handed 17-19 foot class, They are a lot of fun,
pleytiful and as someone told me, the best way to learn to sail is to
follow a bunch of similar boats around a race course... When you can
beat a few of them, you are learning to sail...



What's so damn hard about sailing, anyway? Pull on a line that raises the
sail, sit back, grab the tiller and wait for the wind to blow.

Power boating, on the other hand, takes some serious expertise. You better
know gas and/or diesel engine mechanics, shaft seal adjustment/repacking,
ethanol impact on your fuel tanks, single or twin engine close quarter
handling and, above all, a credit card with a huge available line for
refueling.

Blowboaters ..... pansies ...

Eisboch



[email protected] November 2nd 07 08:56 PM

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On Nov 2, 4:44 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message

ups.com...



I might suggest a smaller open or daysailer just to learn. Something
like a 17-20 foot Bluejay or similar would be great to learn on. Go
check out some "class" racing out of some yacht club local one day.
Look at the double handed 17-19 foot class, They are a lot of fun,
pleytiful and as someone told me, the best way to learn to sail is to
follow a bunch of similar boats around a race course... When you can
beat a few of them, you are learning to sail...


What's so damn hard about sailing, anyway? Pull on a line that raises the
sail, sit back, grab the tiller and wait for the wind to blow.

Power boating, on the other hand, takes some serious expertise. You better
know gas and/or diesel engine mechanics, shaft seal adjustment/repacking,
ethanol impact on your fuel tanks, single or twin engine close quarter
handling and, above all, a credit card with a huge available line for
refueling.

Blowboaters ..... pansies ...

Eisboch


LOL


Wayne.B November 2nd 07 09:26 PM

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On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:33:39 -0000,
wrote:

I might suggest a smaller open or daysailer just to learn. Something
like a 17-20 foot Bluejay or similar would be great to learn on. Go
check out some "class" racing out of some yacht club local one day.
Look at the double handed 17-19 foot class, They are a lot of fun,
pleytiful and as someone told me, the best way to learn to sail is to
follow a bunch of similar boats around a race course... When you can
beat a few of them, you are learning to sail...


Blujays are about 14 ft and too small for adults in my opinion. There
is a 19 footer called the Flying Scot however that is a decent size
and easy to trailer. They are quite popular in some areas and are fun
boats.

http://www.flyingscot.com/



Wayne.B November 2nd 07 10:07 PM

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On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:44:37 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Blowboaters ..... pansies ...


And you should hear what the sail boaters have to say about us....

:-)

[email protected] November 2nd 07 10:28 PM

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On Nov 2, 5:26 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:33:39 -0000,
wrote:

I might suggest a smaller open or daysailer just to learn. Something
like a 17-20 foot Bluejay or similar would be great to learn on. Go
check out some "class" racing out of some yacht club local one day.
Look at the double handed 17-19 foot class, They are a lot of fun,
pleytiful and as someone told me, the best way to learn to sail is to
follow a bunch of similar boats around a race course... When you can
beat a few of them, you are learning to sail...


Blujays are about 14 ft and too small for adults in my opinion.


Ah ha, now you gotta clean yer own bilge... My bud has a 19 foot
Bluejay... But the baot you link below is about what I was talking
about. Easy launch and retreive, Not a ton of money, etc... Great
class to learn sailing, if you ask me.

There
is a 19 footer called the Flying Scot however that is a decent size
and easy to trailer. They are quite popular in some areas and are fun
boats.

http://www.flyingscot.com/




[email protected] November 2nd 07 10:31 PM

For Those Who Know Sailboats
 
On Nov 2, 6:28 pm, wrote:
On Nov 2, 5:26 pm, Wayne.B wrote:

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:33:39 -0000,
wrote:


I might suggest a smaller open or daysailer just to learn. Something
like a 17-20 foot Bluejay or similar would be great to learn on. Go
check out some "class" racing out of some yacht club local one day.
Look at the double handed 17-19 foot class, They are a lot of fun,
pleytiful and as someone told me, the best way to learn to sail is to
follow a bunch of similar boats around a race course... When you can
beat a few of them, you are learning to sail...


Blujays are about 14 ft and too small for adults in my opinion.


Ah ha, now you gotta clean yer own bilge... My bud has a 19 foot
Bluejay... But the baot you link below is about what I was talking
about. Easy launch and retreive, Not a ton of money, etc... Great
class to learn sailing, if you ask me.



There
is a 19 footer called the Flying Scot however that is a decent size
and easy to trailer. They are quite popular in some areas and are fun
boats.


http://www.flyingscot.com/- Hide quoted text -


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Oh Crap, his was a Lazer.. I will bring my boots :( It was made in
Old Lyme too, same yards, Essex Ship Yard.. But it is a Lazer, not a
Bluejay. Same boat really, just 5 feet longer.. ooops;)


HK November 2nd 07 10:32 PM

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wrote:
On Nov 2, 5:26 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:33:39 -0000,
wrote:

I might suggest a smaller open or daysailer just to learn. Something
like a 17-20 foot Bluejay or similar would be great to learn on. Go
check out some "class" racing out of some yacht club local one day.
Look at the double handed 17-19 foot class, They are a lot of fun,
pleytiful and as someone told me, the best way to learn to sail is to
follow a bunch of similar boats around a race course... When you can
beat a few of them, you are learning to sail...

Blujays are about 14 ft and too small for adults in my opinion.


Ah ha, now you gotta clean yer own bilge... My bud has a 19 foot
Bluejay... But the baot you link below is about what I was talking
about. Easy launch and retreive, Not a ton of money, etc... Great
class to learn sailing, if you ask me.

There
is a 19 footer called the Flying Scot however that is a decent size
and easy to trailer. They are quite popular in some areas and are fun
boats.

http://www.flyingscot.com/




Your bud might have a "Lightning" sailboat, which looks like a Bluejay
but is larger.

[email protected] November 2nd 07 10:33 PM

For Those Who Know Sailboats
 
On Nov 2, 6:32 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 2, 5:26 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:33:39 -0000,
wrote:


I might suggest a smaller open or daysailer just to learn. Something
like a 17-20 foot Bluejay or similar would be great to learn on. Go
check out some "class" racing out of some yacht club local one day.
Look at the double handed 17-19 foot class, They are a lot of fun,
pleytiful and as someone told me, the best way to learn to sail is to
follow a bunch of similar boats around a race course... When you can
beat a few of them, you are learning to sail...
Blujays are about 14 ft and too small for adults in my opinion.


Ah ha, now you gotta clean yer own bilge... My bud has a 19 foot
Bluejay... But the baot you link below is about what I was talking
about. Easy launch and retreive, Not a ton of money, etc... Great
class to learn sailing, if you ask me.


There
is a 19 footer called the Flying Scot however that is a decent size
and easy to trailer. They are quite popular in some areas and are fun
boats.


http://www.flyingscot.com/


Your bud might have a "Lightning" sailboat, which looks like a Bluejay
but is larger.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Yeah, made in Old Lyme too, I screwed up, I will bring my boots and
swabbie hat;)


Prospector via BoatKB.com November 2nd 07 10:38 PM

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I know a guy up here who is begging for someont to tak ea CS 22 off his hands
- swing Keel, very trailerable... (Up here is Toronto area) in any case do
take a look for CS22's they are a dime a dozen an are supposed to be a great
learner boat. I say that on the recommendation of a bout 30 guys at the
sailing club. I went and bought a Catalina 25 and Pee'd them all off.

wrote:
On Nov 2, 12:04 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Nov 2, 10:58 am, wrote:
My wife has always wanted to learn to sail, and have a sailboat, this

[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]

Nice choice though.


I was wondering about that. It certainly doesn't look like it'd be as
easy as launching my bass boat! So that means at the very least I'll
have to spring for seasonal storage at the lake, and tow it to the
house for the winter.


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[email protected] November 2nd 07 10:41 PM

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On Nov 2, 6:33 pm, wrote:
On Nov 2, 6:32 pm, HK wrote:





wrote:
On Nov 2, 5:26 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:33:39 -0000,
wrote:


I might suggest a smaller open or daysailer just to learn. Something
like a 17-20 foot Bluejay or similar would be great to learn on. Go
check out some "class" racing out of some yacht club local one day.
Look at the double handed 17-19 foot class, They are a lot of fun,
pleytiful and as someone told me, the best way to learn to sail is to
follow a bunch of similar boats around a race course... When you can
beat a few of them, you are learning to sail...
Blujays are about 14 ft and too small for adults in my opinion.


Ah ha, now you gotta clean yer own bilge... My bud has a 19 foot
Bluejay... But the baot you link below is about what I was talking
about. Easy launch and retreive, Not a ton of money, etc... Great
class to learn sailing, if you ask me.


There
is a 19 footer called the Flying Scot however that is a decent size
and easy to trailer. They are quite popular in some areas and are fun
boats.


http://www.flyingscot.com/


Your bud might have a "Lightning" sailboat, which looks like a Bluejay
but is larger.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Yeah, made in Old Lyme too, I screwed up, I will bring my boots and
swabbie hat;)- Hide quoted text -

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Yeah, Lightning, that's what I said right;)? Damn that Wayne...;
(


Gene Kearns November 2nd 07 10:56 PM

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Wayne.B November 3rd 07 12:00 AM

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On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 22:28:59 -0000,
wrote:

Blujays are about 14 ft and too small for adults in my opinion.


Ah ha, now you gotta clean yer own bilge... My bud has a 19 foot
Bluejay.


I guess it's possible that there is another sail boat called a Blue
Jay but this is what most people think of:

http://www.sailbluejay.org/specs.html

My kids sailed one for quite a few years and I took that boat apart
and put it back together again more times than I care to remember.

Wayne.B November 3rd 07 12:03 AM

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On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 18:32:03 -0400, HK wrote:

Your bud might have a "Lightning" sailboat, which looks like a Bluejay
but is larger.


Ayyyup, about 5 feet larger. The Blue Jay was designed as a "baby"
Lightning.

http://www.sailbluejay.org/Bluejay%20History.html





Wayne.B November 3rd 07 12:05 AM

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On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 22:41:46 -0000,
wrote:

Yeah, Lightning, that's what I said right;)? Damn that Wayne...;
(


Who does know a few things about sailboats... :-)

HK November 3rd 07 12:17 AM

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wrote:
On Nov 2, 6:33 pm, wrote:
On Nov 2, 6:32 pm, HK wrote:





wrote:
On Nov 2, 5:26 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:33:39 -0000,
wrote:
I might suggest a smaller open or daysailer just to learn. Something
like a 17-20 foot Bluejay or similar would be great to learn on. Go
check out some "class" racing out of some yacht club local one day.
Look at the double handed 17-19 foot class, They are a lot of fun,
pleytiful and as someone told me, the best way to learn to sail is to
follow a bunch of similar boats around a race course... When you can
beat a few of them, you are learning to sail...
Blujays are about 14 ft and too small for adults in my opinion.
Ah ha, now you gotta clean yer own bilge... My bud has a 19 foot
Bluejay... But the baot you link below is about what I was talking
about. Easy launch and retreive, Not a ton of money, etc... Great
class to learn sailing, if you ask me.
There
is a 19 footer called the Flying Scot however that is a decent size
and easy to trailer. They are quite popular in some areas and are fun
boats.
http://www.flyingscot.com/
Your bud might have a "Lightning" sailboat, which looks like a Bluejay
but is larger.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Yeah, made in Old Lyme too, I screwed up, I will bring my boots and
swabbie hat;)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Yeah, Lightning, that's what I said right;)? Damn that Wayne...;
(



I sailed BlueJays and Lightnings. Wood ones.

[email protected] November 3rd 07 01:16 AM

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On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 17:26:02 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
There
is a 19 footer called the Flying Scot however that is a decent size
and easy to trailer. They are quite popular in some areas and are fun
boats.
http://www.flyingscot.com/


I'll second that emotion.
In fact, I have one myself.
Easy to rig, easy to trailer & launch, easy to singlehand, doublehand,
triplehand, and room for a few more peeps too.
One thing though, it's designed as a lake boat. I sail mine all the
time in open water but when the seas kick up it'll wear you out. And
they're not very self righting. Or self bailing. But as a fun all
around family daysailor, I'd recommend it.

Rick

[email protected] November 3rd 07 01:37 AM

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On Nov 2, 8:05 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 22:41:46 -0000,
wrote:

Yeah, Lightning, that's what I said right;)? Damn that Wayne...;
(


Who does know a few things about sailboats... :-)


Well, I got punked this time I guess;) But I still like the 19 foot
open cockpit for a nice learner.


HK November 3rd 07 01:37 AM

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wrote:
On Nov 2, 8:05 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 22:41:46 -0000,
wrote:

Yeah, Lightning, that's what I said right;)? Damn that Wayne...;
(

Who does know a few things about sailboats... :-)


Well, I got punked this time I guess;) But I still like the 19 foot
open cockpit for a nice learner.



They're really nice sailboats. I used to sail one in LI Sound.

HK November 3rd 07 02:01 AM

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wrote:
On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 22:28:59 -0000,
wrote:

On Nov 2, 5:26 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:33:39 -0000,
wrote:

I might suggest a smaller open or daysailer just to learn. Something
like a 17-20 foot Bluejay or similar would be great to learn on. Go
check out some "class" racing out of some yacht club local one day.
Look at the double handed 17-19 foot class, They are a lot of fun,
pleytiful and as someone told me, the best way to learn to sail is to
follow a bunch of similar boats around a race course... When you can
beat a few of them, you are learning to sail...
Blujays are about 14 ft and too small for adults in my opinion.

Ah ha, now you gotta clean yer own bilge... My bud has a 19 foot
Bluejay...


19 foot Bluejay? I imagine you are thinking of the Lightning. These two boats
that look like siblings, went hand in hand in LIS for young racers. They started
in the Bluejays and graduated to the Lightning class. The Lightning could be
used by adults as a daysailer, but... they are very "active" boats and not very
comfortable. Not really meant for relaxing.

The Rhodes 19 would be a lot more comfortable, and these days, you can find them
pretty cheap. Oday made two boats with the same hull and different decks, the
Rhodes 19 and the Mariner. There was even a Rhodes 19 version with a
centerboard, which made it relatively easy to launch and retrieve.





The Rhodes are still being manufactured, or were, as of two years ago. I
am pretty sure I saw a new one at the Annapolis boat show a couple of
years ago.

[email protected] November 3rd 07 02:43 AM

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On Fri, 02 Nov 07, HK wrote:
The Rhodes are still being manufactured, or were, as of two years ago.


Yep. Stuart Marine
http://www.stuartmarine.net/


[email protected] November 3rd 07 04:05 AM

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On Fri, 02 Nov 07, PhantMan wrote:
On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 17:26:02 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
There
is a 19 footer called the Flying Scot however that is a decent size
and easy to trailer. They are quite popular in some areas and are fun
boats.
http://www.flyingscot.com/


I'll second that emotion.
In fact, I have one myself.
Easy to rig, easy to trailer & launch, easy to singlehand, doublehand,
triplehand, and room for a few more peeps too.
One thing though, it's designed as a lake boat. I sail mine all the
time in open water but when the seas kick up it'll wear you out. And
they're not very self righting. Or self bailing. But as a fun all
around family daysailor, I'd recommend it.


And by the way, I also owned a Catalina 22 for a few years (5-6).
It's a fun little boat and I don't agree with the opinions that it's
not easily trailerable. It's not hard to rig either. That's all
relative of course. It ain't a bass boat. I raised/lowered the mast
singlehanded on a regular basis too, although that was a few years
back. I'm not as spry as I used to be. I think I could still do it
though..... maybe.
Anyhow, I would recommend the 22 to someone who knows at least a
little about sailing. To learn though, I'd stick with a smaller
daysailor. A Flying Scot is a good example. Not that there aren't
quite a few advanced sailors sailing Scots, in fact it's the Club Boat
of the Gulf Yachting Association. And there are local racing fleets
all over the place. Some of the top sailors in the world race in those
things. Point being, it's not something you'd want to toss once you're
no longer a novice.

Rick ------ another 2 cents

sandpounder November 3rd 07 03:34 PM

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wrote:
My wife has always wanted to learn to sail, and have a sailboat, this
one seems to fit us, and is trailerable. I know bass boats, not
sailboats, so please take a look. I went and looked at it, and for
it's age, it's immaculate. He acts as he'll come down a little. Thanks.


They are nice boats. I had one in Puget Sound. I would recommend
learning to sail on something smaller first.

S


den November 4th 07 12:12 AM

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I gave away a Catalina 22 on a trailer, just to get some yard space
back in San Diego. It is in Arizona somewhere now, so act like you
don't care if you get it or not.

Ask about the swing keel bolt. It is behind that cooler Very hard to
see. As mentioned before stepping the mast can take some time, and
make you look like a monkey on a football. You can iron this out at
your residence, or storage yard. It looks as if there is a small
kicker hangin' on the transom, even though not mentioned in the text.
If so price isn't too bad. Otherwise a very fun first sailboat.
Autohelm? on a "non offshore boat". wow!
Checkout http://www.practical-sailor.com/samp...at_Review.html
I use http://www.dogpile.com for info, as it combines Google, Yahoo!
Search, Live Search, Ask.com, About, MIVA, LookSmart and more.

The most fun I had sailing was teaching a Hemet, CA. lady about
sailing, then letting her race whoever happened to be out in the bay!
She was super competitive with my Catalina 27, and could squeeze out
some serious knots. I would be discussing business with a guest, and
they would point out what was going on.
anyway
Have fun
Den


L D'Bonnie November 4th 07 05:49 AM

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sandpounder wrote:
wrote:
My wife has always wanted to learn to sail, and have a sailboat, this
one seems to fit us, and is trailerable. I know bass boats, not
sailboats, so please take a look. I went and looked at it, and for
it's age, it's immaculate. He acts as he'll come down a little. Thanks.


They are nice boats. I had one in Puget Sound. I would recommend
learning to sail on something smaller first.

S

I sail with a 21 ft swing keel much like this one. I have no experience
with the Catalina 22 but suspect it would be very similar in most
respects to mine. I taught myself to sail on my own boat then took
lessons on a smaller Lazer. The difference between the two is enough
for me to say that an older person may be turned off sailing by the
smaller boats.

You and your wife should find the 22 an easy boat to learn and sail.
You have to realize there are limitations with a boat like this, it is
not a blue water cruiser by any means.

I have no difficulty trailering, launching and sailing my boat
singlehanded.

Look around a bit, do a little comparing. There are a lot of boats
on the market. If you still like it and it gets a thumbs up from your
surveyor then go for it.

If it gets you in the wife's good books it's a no brainer.

LdB



[email protected] November 4th 07 02:05 PM

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On Nov 2, 12:43 pm, "Don White" wrote:
wrote in message

ups.com...





On Nov 2, 11:27 am, "Don White" wrote:
wrote in message


oups.com...


On Nov 2, 10:58 am, wrote:
My wife has always wanted to learn to sail, and have a sailboat, this
one seems to fit us, and is trailerable. I know bass boats, not
sailboats, so please take a look. I went and looked at it, and for
it's age, it's immaculate. He acts as he'll come down a little.
Thanks.


I suppose the link would be a good idea, sorry!


http://atlanta.craigslist.org/boa/465785774.html


A well known brand name and lots around. (although not so much in my
area)
The price is very reasonable.
With a weight of approx 2500 unloaded and a trailer weight of at least
600
lbs, a vehicle capable of towing 3500 could be maxed out.
You may want to join a club with a mooring rather than trailering/rigging
this boat.
Did the guy say the trailer was custom or homemade?
I think I'd pay the $200 or so for a survey before
buying.http://www.sailboatowners.com/review...0&brand=Catali...


Thanks for the advice.


You know... as I think about this, if your wife is the one anxious to sail,
I'd run out and buy a sailboat before she changes her mind. ;-)


Exactly my thinking!




[email protected] November 4th 07 02:11 PM

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On Nov 2, 11:04 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:06:57 -0000, wrote:
On Nov 2, 10:58 am, wrote:
My wife has always wanted to learn to sail, and have a sailboat, this
one seems to fit us, and is trailerable. I know bass boats, not
sailboats, so please take a look. I went and looked at it, and for
it's age, it's immaculate. He acts as he'll come down a little. Thanks.


I suppose the link would be a good idea, sorry!


http://atlanta.craigslist.org/boa/465785774.html


When I sold my Halman, the buyer was comparing it to a boat similar to
this. From a price standpoint, it's about right if it's in really
good condition. If he'll come down a tad, you might be golden.

I would also echo Don's advice on this - it's not a trailerable as in
tow, rig and throw in the water easily. The Halman was doable, but
after trying it once in the front yard, it's not as easy as you might
think.

I also concur - a couple of hundred to have it surveyed would be an
excellant idea.

Nice choice though.


To all: Thanks for the information, advice, etc. I bought it. $3700.
It's in my back yard as we speak. I towed it home with my pickup, no
problem. I've got a good tow package, but I think I could have pulled
it with the wife's car! I'm arranging storage on the lake for spring.


Don White November 4th 07 02:29 PM

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wrote in message
oups.com...
On Nov 2, 11:04 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:06:57 -0000, wrote:
On Nov 2, 10:58 am, wrote:
My wife has always wanted to learn to sail, and have a sailboat, this
one seems to fit us, and is trailerable. I know bass boats, not
sailboats, so please take a look. I went and looked at it, and for
it's age, it's immaculate. He acts as he'll come down a little.
Thanks.


I suppose the link would be a good idea, sorry!


http://atlanta.craigslist.org/boa/465785774.html


When I sold my Halman, the buyer was comparing it to a boat similar to
this. From a price standpoint, it's about right if it's in really
good condition. If he'll come down a tad, you might be golden.

I would also echo Don's advice on this - it's not a trailerable as in
tow, rig and throw in the water easily. The Halman was doable, but
after trying it once in the front yard, it's not as easy as you might
think.

I also concur - a couple of hundred to have it surveyed would be an
excellant idea.

Nice choice though.


To all: Thanks for the information, advice, etc. I bought it. $3700.
It's in my back yard as we speak. I towed it home with my pickup, no
problem. I've got a good tow package, but I think I could have pulled
it with the wife's car! I'm arranging storage on the lake for spring.


Good for you! There's something about a sailboat that brings out the best
in a boater. ;-)



[email protected] November 4th 07 02:30 PM

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On Sun, 04 Nov 07, LoogyPicker wrote:
I bought it. $3700.
It's in my back yard as we speak. I towed it home with my pickup, no
problem. I've got a good tow package, but I think I could have pulled
it with the wife's car! I'm arranging storage on the lake for spring.


Nice catch :-)
Check into joining the C22 Sailing Association. They put out a
publication that's helpful plus forums, get togethers, etc. I'm no
longer a member but enjoyed it while I was an owner.

http://www.catalina22.org/

There's probably a local group too. Shouldn't be hard to find them.

Rick

[email protected] November 15th 07 08:44 PM

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On Sun, 04 Nov 07, LoogyPicker wrote:
To all: Thanks for the information, advice, etc. I bought it. $3700.
It's in my back yard as we speak.


Now that you've been a sailboat owner for a few days, I was wondering.
Have you had a chance to launch & sail it yet? And if so, how'd it go?
Another thing, I know someone shopping for the same thing. If you'd
like to flip it and make a quick buck or two (but not many more) let
me know. Btw, I'm not a dealer. Just asking around.
Mainly though, I'm wondering what you think so far about the boat and
how your venture into sailing is coming along.

Rick

[email protected] November 15th 07 09:30 PM

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On Nov 15, 3:44 pm, wrote:
On Sun, 04 Nov 07, LoogyPicker wrote:
To all: Thanks for the information, advice, etc. I bought it. $3700.
It's in my back yard as we speak.


Now that you've been a sailboat owner for a few days, I was wondering.
Have you had a chance to launch & sail it yet? And if so, how'd it go?
Another thing, I know someone shopping for the same thing. If you'd
like to flip it and make a quick buck or two (but not many more) let
me know. Btw, I'm not a dealer. Just asking around.
Mainly though, I'm wondering what you think so far about the boat and
how your venture into sailing is coming along.

Rick


Nah, I'd have to go with the boat if I did.... my wife was the one
wanting to learn to sail! I haven't launched it yet, been studying
sailing, and working on it some. It's in really fine shape, I got a
good deal. Installed a new VHF, and a few things, but there's not much
else to do to it, just wait until warm weather, besides I'd have to
look for a ramp at Lanier that's still open because of the drought. Do
you live in the Atlanta area?


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