Federal Administration Becomes Even More Obtrusive, "Boater ID"
 

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:01:53 -0700, Tim wrote:

sounds to me like the old "chip-under-the-skin" deal.

1984?

Yes, it's pretty easy to imagine something like that now that
technology has evolved the way it has. Imagine that you now have the
ID chip that everyone thought would be a good idea to reduce crime of
all kinds, and also imagine that you are enrolled in the nationally
funded health plan that everyone thought was such a good idea. The
health plan knows *everything* about you of course.

Suppose you are now sitting down to eat in a nice restaurant at an "on
topic" marina, about to order their world class prime ribs. They've
already scanned your chip at the door of course so that they know you
won't be a criminal threat, and so you don't have to worry about
carrying your credit cards. As you place your order, an alert comes
up from the health plan telling you not to order the prime ribs
because they are bad for your high cholesterol ( a function my wife
presently performs). You press the over ride button because you're
willing to take a calculated risk once in a while. Another message
comes back and says: "Fine, if that's what you really want to do, but
be advised that you will no longer be covered for medical benefits".

The possible variations on this scenario go on and on, the technology
is readily available, and the temptation to create the linkages would
be too compelling to ignore.

Do you still think ID chips are a good idea?

Federal Administration Becomes Even More Obtrusive, "Boater ID"
 

Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:01:53 -0700, Tim wrote:

sounds to me like the old "chip-under-the-skin" deal.

1984?

Yes, it's pretty easy to imagine something like that now that
technology has evolved the way it has. Imagine that you now have the
ID chip that everyone thought would be a good idea to reduce crime of
all kinds, and also imagine that you are enrolled in the nationally
funded health plan that everyone thought was such a good idea. The
health plan knows *everything* about you of course.

Suppose you are now sitting down to eat in a nice restaurant at an "on
topic" marina, about to order their world class prime ribs. They've
already scanned your chip at the door of course so that they know you
won't be a criminal threat, and so you don't have to worry about
carrying your credit cards. As you place your order, an alert comes
up from the health plan telling you not to order the prime ribs
because they are bad for your high cholesterol ( a function my wife
presently performs). You press the over ride button because you're
willing to take a calculated risk once in a while. Another message
comes back and says: "Fine, if that's what you really want to do, but
be advised that you will no longer be covered for medical benefits".

The possible variations on this scenario go on and on, the technology
is readily available, and the temptation to create the linkages would
be too compelling to ignore.

Do you still think ID chips are a good idea?

I think they are good for other people, after all if you have nothing to
hide, why worry about it. I have nothing to fear if they put them in
other people.

I don't want them in me because they have been linked to cancer in
animals, but it doesn't bother me for them to be installed in other
people, as long as it isn't my tax dollars or my insurance dollars
paying for your cancer.

Wait, on 2nd thought, they probably are going to charge me for the
increase in medical costs. I changed my mind and don't think they are a
good idea. ;)

Federal Administration Becomes Even More Obtrusive, "Boater ID"
 

On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 11:33:55 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

I think they are good for other people, after all if you have nothing to
hide, why worry about it. I have nothing to fear if they put them in
other people.

I'm sure that is intended humoursly but think about the implications.
Once the vast majority of the population has chips "because they had
nothing to hide", anyone without a chip would become immediately
suspect, sort of like someone without a drivers license is today.

Federal Administration Becomes Even More Obtrusive, "Boater ID"
 

On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 11:29:23 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:


Do you still think ID chips are a good idea?

Chips are old technology. Nano radios are the next thing. Everything a ID chip has to offer,
and you get to listen in. Hell, I think a national ID card is a dangerous idea, let alone a chip,
but I think this nano technology is pretty incredible.

http://www.physorg.com/news6515.html

Federal Administration Becomes Even More Obtrusive, "Boater ID"
 

On Nov 1, 2:52?pm, wrote:
On 1 Nov 2007 12:43:23 -0700, Chuck Gould wrote:





On Nov 1, 9:21?am, wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 09:00:24 -0700, Chuck Gould

wrote:
On Nov 1, 7:35?am, wrote:
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:07:39 -0700, Chuck Gould

wrote:
On Oct 31, 3:59?pm, wrote:
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:04:54 -0400, Gene Kearns

wrote:
|Cite?
|
|You don't need one, Gene.

No, you need one....

No, I really don't. Anyone with a functional mind and internet access can find
this out for themselves if it disturbs them in some way.

Gould lives on a diet of unsubstatiated PR releases. His post is nothing but FUD

FACT: the USCG is AGAINST the idea of a federal boater ID document.

EOD

Fact is, you stated there was a written proposal and characterized
certain statements in the proposal as emphatic.

Insulting me doesn't change the fact that you climbed too far out on
the limb and proceeded to saw it off at the trunk. The name calling
and personal attacks are usually the first refuge of a guy who knows
he has lost.

Gene and I have pointed out where the USCG commandant, as recently as
10 months ago, was calling for a national boating license.
The cite I provided quotes the head of BOAT/US concerned that the USCG
is providing "conflicting information".

If you have anything except pure speculation or hearsay to back up
your position, please post it.

Trust me, "trust me" just doesn't cut it these days. :-)

Here ya go, asswipe.

http://www.boatus.com/news/buoy11_07.htm

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Wouldn't it have been just as easy to post the link to this
information a ways up the thread? Of course that would wasted some
great opportunities for making derogatory personal comments and for
posting
profanity to the NG. People do gather in a newsgroup for a wide
variety of reasons, don't they?

Interesting item. BoatUS is reporting what they have been *told* the
final recommendation will include. Still, I don't see the final
WRITTEN proposal referred to up the line.

You keep adding the word final. I'm not responsible for your mental
weaknesses. I NEVER said final. You ranted on and on about something
from 10 months ago, and refused to believe that things might have
changed in all of that time. I guess that makes you something of a
retard. You truly are a mindless slave to PR releases.

And you were dead WRONG. Too small a man to admit it, aren't you?

I believe I also told you to shut the **** up. Please do.- Hide quoted text -

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Repeating the same lie over and over again won't make it true.

On October 31 you posted, in this thread, exactly:

****
The USCG WRITTEN proposal specifically and emphaticaly rejects the
idea of a new, separate ID. They want to require that you carry a
drivers license or other similar ID.

****

It appeared on my service just before noon.
All of the comments about never claiming there was a WRITTEN proposal
are just so much BS, aren't they?

Keep expanding your vocabulary. You'll be amazed at how many
intersting words you will find to use that have more than four
letters. :-)

???

You are truly demented, Gouldy locks.

Everything you have posted is the result of reading written proposals and
comments. You just decided to capriciously attach the word FINAL to what I
wrote. I read written proposals, which is how I knew you were full of your usual
unmitigated ****.

So, you now know you were clearly full of ****, but you still can't take
responsibility for that. You are a wimp who lacks any sort of personal
integrity. Keep trying to deflect. You aren't fooling anyone. If you are fooling
yourself, then you are even less intelligent than I have speculated.

You were toatlly worng on this issue, and I proved it. When do you grow a spine
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Nothing you posted or linked to referred to a written proposal by the
USCG. You linked to some comments from BOATUS stating that they had
been assured by the USCG that there would be no ID requirement.
That's hardly the WRITTEN proposal by the USCG, is it?

Federal Administration Becomes Even More Obtrusive, "Boater ID"
 

Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 11:33:55 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

I think they are good for other people, after all if you have nothing to
hide, why worry about it. I have nothing to fear if they put them in
other people.

I'm sure that is intended humoursly but think about the implications.
Once the vast majority of the population has chips "because they had
nothing to hide", anyone without a chip would become immediately
suspect, sort of like someone without a drivers license is today.

I didn't think it was to be intended humorously, I thought it was
blatant tongue in check sarcasm. My bad. ;)

Federal Administration Becomes Even More Obtrusive, "Boater ID"
 

On Nov 5, 8:29?am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:01:53 -0700, Tim wrote:
sounds to me like the old "chip-under-the-skin" deal.

1984?

Yes, it's pretty easy to imagine something like that now that
technology has evolved the way it has. Imagine that you now have the
ID chip that everyone thought would be a good idea to reduce crime of
all kinds, and also imagine that you are enrolled in the nationally
funded health plan that everyone thought was such a good idea. The
health plan knows *everything* about you of course.

Suppose you are now sitting down to eat in a nice restaurant at an "on
topic" marina, about to order their world class prime ribs. They've
already scanned your chip at the door of course so that they know you
won't be a criminal threat, and so you don't have to worry about
carrying your credit cards. As you place your order, an alert comes
up from the health plan telling you not to order the prime ribs
because they are bad for your high cholesterol ( a function my wife
presently performs). You press the over ride button because you're
willing to take a calculated risk once in a while. Another message
comes back and says: "Fine, if that's what you really want to do, but
be advised that you will no longer be covered for medical benefits".

The possible variations on this scenario go on and on, the technology
is readily available, and the temptation to create the linkages would
be too compelling to ignore.

Do you still think ID chips are a good idea?

That's not as far out as you think. Now that our purchases are
routinely tracked in grocery stores, it's only a matter of time before
some insurance company declares "Sorry, Mr. Policyholder. We're not
going to pay for your angioplasty because we have evidence you have
been buying a case of Twinkies every month for the last five years.
Your health problems are the result of your own bad decisions, so you
pay."

Federal Administration Becomes Even More Obtrusive, "Boater ID"
 

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Nov 5, 8:29?am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:01:53 -0700, Tim wrote:
sounds to me like the old "chip-under-the-skin" deal.
1984?
Yes, it's pretty easy to imagine something like that now that
technology has evolved the way it has. Imagine that you now have the
ID chip that everyone thought would be a good idea to reduce crime of
all kinds, and also imagine that you are enrolled in the nationally
funded health plan that everyone thought was such a good idea. The
health plan knows *everything* about you of course.

Suppose you are now sitting down to eat in a nice restaurant at an "on
topic" marina, about to order their world class prime ribs. They've
already scanned your chip at the door of course so that they know you
won't be a criminal threat, and so you don't have to worry about
carrying your credit cards. As you place your order, an alert comes
up from the health plan telling you not to order the prime ribs
because they are bad for your high cholesterol ( a function my wife
presently performs). You press the over ride button because you're
willing to take a calculated risk once in a while. Another message
comes back and says: "Fine, if that's what you really want to do, but
be advised that you will no longer be covered for medical benefits".

The possible variations on this scenario go on and on, the technology
is readily available, and the temptation to create the linkages would
be too compelling to ignore.

Do you still think ID chips are a good idea?

That's not as far out as you think. Now that our purchases are
routinely tracked in grocery stores, it's only a matter of time before
some insurance company declares "Sorry, Mr. Policyholder. We're not
going to pay for your angioplasty because we have evidence you have
been buying a case of Twinkies every month for the last five years.
Your health problems are the result of your own bad decisions, so you
pay."


If they wanted to restrict their claims, it would be much easier to just
to say "anyone who exceeds their ideal weight or cholesterol levels by
more than X% will not longer be covered by their health insurance, since
your health problems are the result of your own bad decisions, you now pay.

Federal Administration Becomes Even More Obtrusive, "Boater ID"
 

On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 13:47:36 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

Yes, this whole movement scares me and should anybody that has ever
read the book 1984.
http://www.epic.org/privacy/rfid/

Absolutely. The book was mildly amusing when I read it as a kid back
in the 50s or early 60s when we were still using vacuum tubes to
perform most electronic functions, and the idea of a world wide
communications network with universal connectivity would have been
regarded as science fiction material.

The social and political landscape has changed a great deal also, to
the point where some of the concepts from "1984" are beginning to
sound like a good idea to some folks.

Federal Administration Becomes Even More Obtrusive, "Boater ID"
 

On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 11:29:23 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

Do you still think ID chips are a good idea?

Ummm - yes?

Tell you what - it saves a lot of time registering at the hospital.

Scanner hits you at the door, wham, bam, thank you 'mam, do your thing
and your out.

Had a special blood test today which normally takes 30 minutes from
the time I get there to the time I'm back out the door. Total elapsed
time - 8 minutes and the only person I saw was the vampire.

This afternoon, had to see the blood doc - in the door, see the doc,
out the door in 30 minutes - some people where still registering.

Can't beat it.