Federal Administration Becomes Even More Obtrusive, "Boater ID"
 

On Nov 1, 7:35?am, wrote:
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:07:39 -0700, Chuck Gould





wrote:
On Oct 31, 3:59?pm, wrote:
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:04:54 -0400, Gene Kearns

wrote:
|Cite?
|
|You don't need one, Gene.

No, you need one....

No, I really don't. Anyone with a functional mind and internet access can find
this out for themselves if it disturbs them in some way.

Gould lives on a diet of unsubstatiated PR releases. His post is nothing but FUD

FACT: the USCG is AGAINST the idea of a federal boater ID document.

EOD

Fact is, you stated there was a written proposal and characterized
certain statements in the proposal as emphatic.

Insulting me doesn't change the fact that you climbed too far out on
the limb and proceeded to saw it off at the trunk. The name calling
and personal attacks are usually the first refuge of a guy who knows
he has lost.

Gene and I have pointed out where the USCG commandant, as recently as
10 months ago, was calling for a national boating license.
The cite I provided quotes the head of BOAT/US concerned that the USCG
is providing "conflicting information".

If you have anything except pure speculation or hearsay to back up
your position, please post it.

Trust me, "trust me" just doesn't cut it these days. :-)

Here ya go, asswipe.

http://www.boatus.com/news/buoy11_07.htm

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Wouldn't it have been just as easy to post the link to this
information a ways up the thread? Of course that would wasted some
great opportunities for making derogatory personal comments and for
posting
profanity to the NG. People do gather in a newsgroup for a wide
variety of reasons, don't they?

Interesting item. BoatUS is reporting what they have been *told* the
final recommendation will include. Still, I don't see the final
WRITTEN proposal referred to up the line.

Federal Administration Becomes Even More Obtrusive, "Boater ID"
 

On Nov 1, 9:21?am, wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 09:00:24 -0700, Chuck Gould





wrote:
On Nov 1, 7:35?am, wrote:
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:07:39 -0700, Chuck Gould

wrote:
On Oct 31, 3:59?pm, wrote:
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:04:54 -0400, Gene Kearns

wrote:
|Cite?
|
|You don't need one, Gene.

No, you need one....

No, I really don't. Anyone with a functional mind and internet access can find
this out for themselves if it disturbs them in some way.

Gould lives on a diet of unsubstatiated PR releases. His post is nothing but FUD

FACT: the USCG is AGAINST the idea of a federal boater ID document.

EOD

Fact is, you stated there was a written proposal and characterized
certain statements in the proposal as emphatic.

Insulting me doesn't change the fact that you climbed too far out on
the limb and proceeded to saw it off at the trunk. The name calling
and personal attacks are usually the first refuge of a guy who knows
he has lost.

Gene and I have pointed out where the USCG commandant, as recently as
10 months ago, was calling for a national boating license.
The cite I provided quotes the head of BOAT/US concerned that the USCG
is providing "conflicting information".

If you have anything except pure speculation or hearsay to back up
your position, please post it.

Trust me, "trust me" just doesn't cut it these days. :-)

Here ya go, asswipe.

http://www.boatus.com/news/buoy11_07.htm

Now shut the **** up- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Wouldn't it have been just as easy to post the link to this
information a ways up the thread? Of course that would wasted some
great opportunities for making derogatory personal comments and for
posting
profanity to the NG. People do gather in a newsgroup for a wide
variety of reasons, don't they?

Interesting item. BoatUS is reporting what they have been *told* the
final recommendation will include. Still, I don't see the final
WRITTEN proposal referred to up the line.

You keep adding the word final. I'm not responsible for your mental
weaknesses. I NEVER said final. You ranted on and on about something
from 10 months ago, and refused to believe that things might have
changed in all of that time. I guess that makes you something of a
retard. You truly are a mindless slave to PR releases.

And you were dead WRONG. Too small a man to admit it, aren't you?

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Repeating the same lie over and over again won't make it true.

On October 31 you posted, in this thread, exactly:

****
The USCG WRITTEN proposal specifically and emphaticaly rejects the
idea of a new, separate ID. They want to require that you carry a
drivers license or other similar ID.

****

It appeared on my service just before noon.
All of the comments about never claiming there was a WRITTEN proposal
are just so much BS, aren't they?

Keep expanding your vocabulary. You'll be amazed at how many
intersting words you will find to use that have more than four
letters. :-)

Federal Administration Becomes Even More Obtrusive, "Boater ID"
 

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:32:34 -0500, wrote:

The various flavors of local marine police routinely ask for ID. Don't
know what happens if you don't have any.


Where was that?

NY, Long Island Sound in my hot rod inflatable days... :-)

Federal Administration Becomes Even More Obtrusive, "Boater ID"
 

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:32:34 -0500, wrote:

They searched my boat but didn't do much at all to me but telling me I
couldn't have come from where I said I did and promptly "stuck"
themselves in their RIB trying to follow me out.

Chuckle. Did you help them get unstuck? They should know better.

Federal Administration Becomes Even More Obtrusive, "Boater ID"
 

On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:02:48 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:32:34 -0500, wrote:

The various flavors of local marine police routinely ask for ID. Don't
know what happens if you don't have any.

Where was that?

NY, Long Island Sound in my hot rod inflatable days... :-)

LIS is getting ridiculous in and around the Race area. Last year, I
was stopped twice by DEM (RI), DEP (CT) and DEC (NY) checking on
striper length and fish totals. I've heard that this year was the
same - on some days you could be stopped twice by the same fisheries
enforcement types.

Freakin' ridiculous.

Federal Administration Becomes Even More Obtrusive, "Boater ID"
 

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 01:07:47 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

The various flavors of local marine police routinely ask for ID. Don't
know what happens if you don't have any.

Where was that?

NY, Long Island Sound in my hot rod inflatable days... :-)

LIS is getting ridiculous in and around the Race area. Last year, I
was stopped twice by DEM (RI), DEP (CT) and DEC (NY) checking on
striper length and fish totals. I've heard that this year was the
same - on some days you could be stopped twice by the same fisheries
enforcement types.

Freakin' ridiculous.

Absolutely, and it is happening all over. The marine police in
Stamford, CT have at least 3 or 4 boats, the latest being a 30
something high powered catamarran, just what they need for zooming up
and down the harbor. Where do they get the money for this stuff, and
who is justifying the expense? The marine police in Suffolk County,
LI are running at least a couple of Bertram 33s with 454s, talk about
fuel expense.

We need to find a way of attacking at the budget level. That is the
oxygen flow for excessive policing.

Federal Administration Becomes Even More Obtrusive, "Boater ID"
 

On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 23:13:54 -0500, wrote:

It was in that mangrove just northeast of Big Carlos. If you can run
skinny you can take the slot between the 2 islands and come out up by
mound key (east of the channel)
That is the flat behind the big Osprey nest pole where the spoonbills
hang out at low tide.
They evidently needed about a foot and a half more than me ;-)

We did go back but they waived us off.

I wonder how they explained that one in the morning report. :-)

Are you running a pontoon, or is it a flats boat?

Federal Administration Becomes Even More Obtrusive, "Boater ID"
 

On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:48:40 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 01:07:47 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

The various flavors of local marine police routinely ask for ID. Don't
know what happens if you don't have any.

Where was that?

NY, Long Island Sound in my hot rod inflatable days... :-)

LIS is getting ridiculous in and around the Race area. Last year, I
was stopped twice by DEM (RI), DEP (CT) and DEC (NY) checking on
striper length and fish totals. I've heard that this year was the
same - on some days you could be stopped twice by the same fisheries
enforcement types.

Freakin' ridiculous.

Absolutely, and it is happening all over. The marine police in
Stamford, CT have at least 3 or 4 boats, the latest being a 30
something high powered catamarran, just what they need for zooming up
and down the harbor. Where do they get the money for this stuff, and
who is justifying the expense? The marine police in Suffolk County,
LI are running at least a couple of Bertram 33s with 454s, talk about
fuel expense.

We need to find a way of attacking at the budget level. That is the
oxygen flow for excessive policing.

When the money comes from DEA and DHS with no restrictions to the
public safety types, they spend it on anything they want.

For instance, the local dive team just bought a new RIB with 75 horse
outboard and trailer with tow vehicle ( F-450 Crew Cab) and a 18
bottle cascade air system with super duper compressor. The last SAR
we did was over ten years ago and the last mutual aid call was five
years ago and that was just to standby while the SP took the search
over.

At least the cascade system can be used by the fire departments.

Which brings up another sore point. We have three fire departments in
town. With all these DHS grants to upgrade, we now have more rolling
fire equipment than New York City.

Federal Administration Becomes Even More Obtrusive, "Boater ID"
 

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:16:16 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:


We need to find a way of attacking at the budget level. That is the
oxygen flow for excessive policing.

When the money comes from DEA and DHS with no restrictions to the
public safety types, they spend it on anything they want.

For instance, the local dive team just bought a new RIB with 75 horse
outboard and trailer with tow vehicle ( F-450 Crew Cab) and a 18
bottle cascade air system with super duper compressor. The last SAR
we did was over ten years ago and the last mutual aid call was five
years ago and that was just to standby while the SP took the search
over.

At least the cascade system can be used by the fire departments.

Which brings up another sore point. We have three fire departments in
town. With all these DHS grants to upgrade, we now have more rolling
fire equipment than New York City.

What a waste. Meanwhile other important services like ICW and inlet
dredging go under funded.

Federal Administration Becomes Even More Obtrusive, "Boater ID"
 

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 12:20:53 -0500, wrote:

Are you running a pontoon, or is it a flats boat?

I have a 20' Harris pontoon with the engine 4" above the stock
location.

Back in Estero Bay you should be able to out run anything in SWFL,

and that's without the afterburners...