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All of this talk about WinXP and Vista reminds me of the old Mac vs. PC
days. In the past, I would never consider a Mac, with the kids they wanted too many programs that were not available with a Mac. Mac was a dinosaur that was slowly gasping it last breath. Programmers were not developing new software to run on a Mac. Today, that has all changed. Mac is coming back strong. All I need is an browser, newsreader, an Office Suite that can be read on Win or Mac, Quicken and Photoshop / Lightroom and a few other programs all which are available for either OS. Since the kids will have moved out of the house or be away at college by the time I buy another one, I will seriously consider Mac when it is time to replace my current computer. It seems when you compare apples to apples (pun intended) the Mac is looking better every day. Has anyone else thought about jumping ship and going to the dark side? |
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Has anyone else thought about jumping ship and going to the dark side?
Using a mac is not the "dark side" it's just different. If you're not used to it; stick with a pc -- especially if you travel -- you'll be bound to find more spots that support a pc over mac, and parts are always cheaper. I would suggest a cheap laptop with xp and OpenOffice. |
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Josh Assing wrote:
Has anyone else thought about jumping ship and going to the dark side? Using a mac is not the "dark side" it's just different. If you're not used to it; stick with a pc -- especially if you travel -- you'll be bound to find more spots that support a pc over mac, and parts are always cheaper. I would suggest a cheap laptop with xp and OpenOffice. I don't think the learning curve of a Win XP user will be very different between Vista and Mac. I have never had trouble negotiating a Mac even though it is a little different. |
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Josh Assing wrote:
Has anyone else thought about jumping ship and going to the dark side? Using a mac is not the "dark side" it's just different. If you're not used to it; stick with a pc -- especially if you travel -- you'll be bound to find more spots that support a pc over mac, and parts are always cheaper. I would suggest a cheap laptop with xp and OpenOffice. ps - after downloading a evaluating Office 2007, OpenOffice is looking very good. I gave my old computer to some kids down the street, and transfered my Office 2003 to my new machine, I installed OpenOffice on the computer before giving it to them. I thought it looked good they have no problems using the software and submitting files to their teachers. |
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:01:08 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: Has anyone else thought about jumping ship and going to the dark side? Yes - me. I have a lot of friends who are in photography/grapics arts/industrial film and they all use high end Macs. A lot of the better blogs I read are done on Macs. I know in my own experience, PCs just don't seem to produce the same results as work I've done on Macs with the same picture. I have a high end PC with all the bells and whistles for graphics work and it never comes out the same as it does on a Mac. This machine I'm using now has the fancy pants screen calibrator for color and it almost never looks right when I'm finished processing an image in CS3. I'm seriouslyhinking of converting everything over to Mac. The only thing that's stopping me from doing it is that I've been with PCs for a long time, I'm used to using Windoze and frankly, the engineering mindset and user interface with Macs is just plain bizzare - Mac users have a whole different way of looking at the world and I'm not sure I can learn a new language. :) |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
All of this talk about WinXP and Vista reminds me of the old Mac vs. PC days. In the past, I would never consider a Mac, with the kids they wanted too many programs that were not available with a Mac. Mac was a dinosaur that was slowly gasping it last breath. Programmers were not developing new software to run on a Mac. Today, that has all changed. Mac is coming back strong. All I need is an browser, newsreader, an Office Suite that can be read on Win or Mac, Quicken and Photoshop / Lightroom and a few other programs all which are available for either OS. Since the kids will have moved out of the house or be away at college by the time I buy another one, I will seriously consider Mac when it is time to replace my current computer. It seems when you compare apples to apples (pun intended) the Mac is looking better every day. Has anyone else thought about jumping ship and going to the dark side? The only reason the Mac is flourishing is because of Steven Jobs. Once he goes to prison for securities fraud the bean counters will take over again and run the company into the ground, again. |
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On Oct 30, 6:01 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: All of this talk about WinXP and Vista reminds me of the old Mac vs. PC days. In the past, I would never consider a Mac, with the kids they wanted too many programs that were not available with a Mac. Mac was a dinosaur that was slowly gasping it last breath. Programmers were not developing new software to run on a Mac. Today, that has all changed. Mac is coming back strong. All I need is an browser, newsreader, an Office Suite that can be read on Win or Mac, Quicken and Photoshop / Lightroom and a few other programs all which are available for either OS. Since the kids will have moved out of the house or be away at college by the time I buy another one, I will seriously consider Mac when it is time to replace my current computer. It seems when you compare apples to apples (pun intended) the Mac is looking better every day. Has anyone else thought about jumping ship and going to the dark side? Pfffffftttt!!! |
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"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. Josh Assing wrote: Has anyone else thought about jumping ship and going to the dark side? Using a mac is not the "dark side" it's just different. If you're not used to it; stick with a pc -- especially if you travel -- you'll be bound to find more spots that support a pc over mac, and parts are always cheaper. I would suggest a cheap laptop with xp and OpenOffice. I don't think the learning curve of a Win XP user will be very different between Vista and Mac. I have never had trouble negotiating a Mac even though it is a little different. That is insightful. In fact, the Mac is easier to transition to than Vista in my opinion. Cancel Allow --- Reload. |
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In article ,
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Has anyone else thought about jumping ship and going to the dark side? I have used both Windows and Macs for many years. If I have to buy a computer from my money, it is going to be a Mac. Nowadays you can even run Windows on them, if you must: Bootcamp, Parallels and others make it possible. The laptops outperform typical PC's anyway, even when running Windows (natively). http://www.apple.com/getamac/windows.html Of those I have seen switching to a Mac, it took them usually some two weeks to learn the new habits, but none of them ever looked back. Marc -- remove bye and from mercial to get valid e-mail http://www.heusser.com |
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On Oct 30, 2:09 pm, Marc Heusser
d wrote: In article , "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Has anyone else thought about jumping ship and going to the dark side? I have used both Windows and Macs for many years. If I have to buy a computer from my money, it is going to be a Mac. Nowadays you can even run Windows on them, if you must: Bootcamp, Parallels and others make it possible. The laptops outperform typical PC's anyway, even when running Windows (natively).http://www.apple.com/getamac/windows.html Of those I have seen switching to a Mac, it took them usually some two weeks to learn the new habits, but none of them ever looked back. Marc -- remove bye and from mercial to get valid e-mail http://www.heusser.com I still think that at least for now, PC is still the machine of commerce. I don't know of anyone who runs internet business applications and/or networking on MAC. A couple of our clients use them on their end but they are mostly single users/very small business/ single location. And as for running Bootcamp to run your home apps and such, I guess it's like eating Bluefish. It' good "IF"...!!! If you have to say "if" or "can" well, you get it I think:) Just easier to use the PC in my opinion. My point of view is from the perspective of a small IHP... Unix, Linux, Apache. Home systems are XP and I run Vista just to stay informed for customer support reasons. Our backups are also Linux boxes. Oh yeah, we run mods that allow us to handle ASP in case anybody is foolish.. oh, oh... I better stop now;) |
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wrote:
On Oct 30, 2:09 pm, Marc Heusser d wrote: In article , "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Has anyone else thought about jumping ship and going to the dark side? I have used both Windows and Macs for many years. If I have to buy a computer from my money, it is going to be a Mac. Nowadays you can even run Windows on them, if you must: Bootcamp, Parallels and others make it possible. The laptops outperform typical PC's anyway, even when running Windows (natively).http://www.apple.com/getamac/windows.html Of those I have seen switching to a Mac, it took them usually some two weeks to learn the new habits, but none of them ever looked back. Marc -- remove bye and from mercial to get valid e-mail http://www.heusser.com I still think that at least for now, PC is still the machine of commerce. I don't know of anyone who runs internet business applications and/or networking on MAC. A couple of our clients use them on their end but they are mostly single users/very small business/ single location. And as for running Bootcamp to run your home apps and such, I guess it's like eating Bluefish. It' good "IF"...!!! If you have to say "if" or "can" well, you get it I think:) Just easier to use the PC in my opinion. My point of view is from the perspective of a small IHP... Unix, Linux, Apache. Home systems are XP and I run Vista just to stay informed for customer support reasons. Our backups are also Linux boxes. Oh yeah, we run mods that allow us to handle ASP in case anybody is foolish.. oh, oh... I better stop now;) If you are running PC apps under an Apple Microsoft OS emulator, you are taking a performance hit, period. |
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In article ,
" JimH" ask wrote: Apple computers consistently rank at the top of Consumer Report rating for both performance and reliability. They are far from cheap though. This myth should get a rest. If you compare apples with apples, ie a Dell with everything that the Macs have, very often you will find that Apple is very competitive, beating Dell even on price, sometimes by a large margin. What Apple typically does not serve is the lowest price segment with corresponding specifications. See eg http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquir...e-thrashes-del l-on-mac-pro-pricing http://kurafire.net/log/archive/2006...ice-myth-apple -vs-dell etc Plus: a Mac typically has a longer useful life. Just my experience. HTH Marc -- remove bye and from mercial to get valid e-mail http://www.heusser.com |
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On Oct 30, 8:04 pm, Marc Heusser
d wrote: In article , " JimH" ask wrote: Apple computers consistently rank at the top of Consumer Report rating for both performance and reliability. They are far from cheap though. This myth should get a rest. If you compare apples with apples, ie a Dell with everything that the Macs have, very often you will find that Apple is very competitive, beating Dell even on price, sometimes by a large margin. What Apple typically does not serve is the lowest price segment with corresponding specifications. See eghttp://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/2006/08/10/apple-thrashes... l-on-mac-pro-pricinghttp://kurafire.net/log/archive/2006/04/25/debunking-the-price-myth-a... -vs-dell etc Plus: a Mac typically has a longer useful life. Just my experience. HTH Marc -- remove bye and from mercial to get valid e-mail http://www.heusser.com Yes, and this is all relevant to someone who is really playing around, but who wants to use a 4 year old computer in anything more than a very, very, small commercial situation. Even if you ask someone doing commercial Graphic Design on a mac, or someone running advance cad operations on either, which one of them do you think wants to compete with 4 yo equipment;) Trust me, I have 9 hammers in my shop so I do understand the need for several seemingly similar tools, but all of the tools we are discussing here are really suited for very different operations, reguardless of how they are marketed.. |
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"John H." wrote in message ... On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:37:00 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote: "Marc Heusser" d wrote in message ... In article , "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Has anyone else thought about jumping ship and going to the dark side? I have used both Windows and Macs for many years. If I have to buy a computer from my money, it is going to be a Mac. Nowadays you can even run Windows on them, if you must: Bootcamp, Parallels and others make it possible. The laptops outperform typical PC's anyway, even when running Windows (natively). http://www.apple.com/getamac/windows.html Of those I have seen switching to a Mac, it took them usually some two weeks to learn the new habits, but none of them ever looked back. Marc -- remove bye and from mercial to get valid e-mail http://www.heusser.com Apple computers consistently rank at the top of Consumer Report rating for both performance and reliability. They are far from cheap though. The Dell Inspiron laptop I purchased for my son ranked 2nd in performance and their latest tests of laptops and Dell ranked either 2nd or 3rd for reliability. Sounds like your son is getting a super gift! ;-) Is a nice gift. But kids always cost us money. My 2 cost me a little over $100k for university degrees. |
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:49:27 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:37:00 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote: "Marc Heusser" d wrote in message ... In article , "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Has anyone else thought about jumping ship and going to the dark side? I have used both Windows and Macs for many years. If I have to buy a computer from my money, it is going to be a Mac. Nowadays you can even run Windows on them, if you must: Bootcamp, Parallels and others make it possible. The laptops outperform typical PC's anyway, even when running Windows (natively). http://www.apple.com/getamac/windows.html Of those I have seen switching to a Mac, it took them usually some two weeks to learn the new habits, but none of them ever looked back. Marc -- remove bye and from mercial to get valid e-mail http://www.heusser.com Apple computers consistently rank at the top of Consumer Report rating for both performance and reliability. They are far from cheap though. The Dell Inspiron laptop I purchased for my son ranked 2nd in performance and their latest tests of laptops and Dell ranked either 2nd or 3rd for reliability. Sounds like your son is getting a super gift! ;-) Is a nice gift. But kids always cost us money. My 2 cost me a little over $100k for university degrees. One of mine is still costing me money. And they never truly leave home. :) |
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Calif Bill wrote:
"John H." wrote in message ... On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:37:00 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote: "Marc Heusser" d wrote in message ... In article , "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Has anyone else thought about jumping ship and going to the dark side? I have used both Windows and Macs for many years. If I have to buy a computer from my money, it is going to be a Mac. Nowadays you can even run Windows on them, if you must: Bootcamp, Parallels and others make it possible. The laptops outperform typical PC's anyway, even when running Windows (natively). http://www.apple.com/getamac/windows.html Of those I have seen switching to a Mac, it took them usually some two weeks to learn the new habits, but none of them ever looked back. Marc -- remove bye and from mercial to get valid e-mail http://www.heusser.com Apple computers consistently rank at the top of Consumer Report rating for both performance and reliability. They are far from cheap though. The Dell Inspiron laptop I purchased for my son ranked 2nd in performance and their latest tests of laptops and Dell ranked either 2nd or 3rd for reliability. Sounds like your son is getting a super gift! ;-) Is a nice gift. But kids always cost us money. My 2 cost me a little over $100k for university degrees. You got off cheaply. ;) |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:49:27 -0800, "Calif Bill" wrote: "John H." wrote in message . .. On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:37:00 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote: "Marc Heusser" d wrote in message ... In article , "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Has anyone else thought about jumping ship and going to the dark side? I have used both Windows and Macs for many years. If I have to buy a computer from my money, it is going to be a Mac. Nowadays you can even run Windows on them, if you must: Bootcamp, Parallels and others make it possible. The laptops outperform typical PC's anyway, even when running Windows (natively). http://www.apple.com/getamac/windows.html Of those I have seen switching to a Mac, it took them usually some two weeks to learn the new habits, but none of them ever looked back. Marc -- remove bye and from mercial to get valid e-mail http://www.heusser.com Apple computers consistently rank at the top of Consumer Report rating for both performance and reliability. They are far from cheap though. The Dell Inspiron laptop I purchased for my son ranked 2nd in performance and their latest tests of laptops and Dell ranked either 2nd or 3rd for reliability. Sounds like your son is getting a super gift! ;-) Is a nice gift. But kids always cost us money. My 2 cost me a little over $100k for university degrees. One of mine is still costing me money. And they never truly leave home. :) And they never stop costing you money. First grandbaby is due end of April. That'll cost me. |
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"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:37:00 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote: "Marc Heusser" d wrote in message ... In article , "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Has anyone else thought about jumping ship and going to the dark side? I have used both Windows and Macs for many years. If I have to buy a computer from my money, it is going to be a Mac. Nowadays you can even run Windows on them, if you must: Bootcamp, Parallels and others make it possible. The laptops outperform typical PC's anyway, even when running Windows (natively). http://www.apple.com/getamac/windows.html Of those I have seen switching to a Mac, it took them usually some two weeks to learn the new habits, but none of them ever looked back. Marc -- remove bye and from mercial to get valid e-mail http://www.heusser.com Apple computers consistently rank at the top of Consumer Report rating for both performance and reliability. They are far from cheap though. The Dell Inspiron laptop I purchased for my son ranked 2nd in performance and their latest tests of laptops and Dell ranked either 2nd or 3rd for reliability. Sounds like your son is getting a super gift! ;-) Is a nice gift. But kids always cost us money. My 2 cost me a little over $100k for university degrees. You got off cheaply. ;) Both are excellent students. #2 was on a 1/2 ride scholarship, and #1 was on a little less scholarship, and went to a state school. #2 went to a private university. |
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Calif Bill wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:37:00 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote: "Marc Heusser" d wrote in message ... In article , "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Has anyone else thought about jumping ship and going to the dark side? I have used both Windows and Macs for many years. If I have to buy a computer from my money, it is going to be a Mac. Nowadays you can even run Windows on them, if you must: Bootcamp, Parallels and others make it possible. The laptops outperform typical PC's anyway, even when running Windows (natively). http://www.apple.com/getamac/windows.html Of those I have seen switching to a Mac, it took them usually some two weeks to learn the new habits, but none of them ever looked back. Marc -- remove bye and from mercial to get valid e-mail http://www.heusser.com Apple computers consistently rank at the top of Consumer Report rating for both performance and reliability. They are far from cheap though. The Dell Inspiron laptop I purchased for my son ranked 2nd in performance and their latest tests of laptops and Dell ranked either 2nd or 3rd for reliability. Sounds like your son is getting a super gift! ;-) Is a nice gift. But kids always cost us money. My 2 cost me a little over $100k for university degrees. You got off cheaply. ;) Both are excellent students. #2 was on a 1/2 ride scholarship, and #1 was on a little less scholarship, and went to a state school. #2 went to a private university. My oldest was offered a full scholarship with $5000 annual expenses to ASU, 1/2 scholarship to NYU and U of S. California. He went to his first choice school which offered him a work study program. Damn kid. He wants to be a college professor and felt the school he went to would carry more weight in academia. |
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"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. Calif Bill wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:37:00 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote: "Marc Heusser" d wrote in message ... In article , "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Has anyone else thought about jumping ship and going to the dark side? I have used both Windows and Macs for many years. If I have to buy a computer from my money, it is going to be a Mac. Nowadays you can even run Windows on them, if you must: Bootcamp, Parallels and others make it possible. The laptops outperform typical PC's anyway, even when running Windows (natively). http://www.apple.com/getamac/windows.html Of those I have seen switching to a Mac, it took them usually some two weeks to learn the new habits, but none of them ever looked back. Marc -- remove bye and from mercial to get valid e-mail http://www.heusser.com Apple computers consistently rank at the top of Consumer Report rating for both performance and reliability. They are far from cheap though. The Dell Inspiron laptop I purchased for my son ranked 2nd in performance and their latest tests of laptops and Dell ranked either 2nd or 3rd for reliability. Sounds like your son is getting a super gift! ;-) Is a nice gift. But kids always cost us money. My 2 cost me a little over $100k for university degrees. You got off cheaply. ;) Both are excellent students. #2 was on a 1/2 ride scholarship, and #1 was on a little less scholarship, and went to a state school. #2 went to a private university. My oldest was offered a full scholarship with $5000 annual expenses to ASU, 1/2 scholarship to NYU and U of S. California. He went to his first choice school which offered him a work study program. Damn kid. He wants to be a college professor and felt the school he went to would carry more weight in academia. University of the Pacific offered bigger grant, but she preferred a better location. Better school and location. |
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Calif Bill wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. Calif Bill wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:37:00 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote: "Marc Heusser" d wrote in message ... In article , "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Has anyone else thought about jumping ship and going to the dark side? I have used both Windows and Macs for many years. If I have to buy a computer from my money, it is going to be a Mac. Nowadays you can even run Windows on them, if you must: Bootcamp, Parallels and others make it possible. The laptops outperform typical PC's anyway, even when running Windows (natively). http://www.apple.com/getamac/windows.html Of those I have seen switching to a Mac, it took them usually some two weeks to learn the new habits, but none of them ever looked back. Marc -- remove bye and from mercial to get valid e-mail http://www.heusser.com Apple computers consistently rank at the top of Consumer Report rating for both performance and reliability. They are far from cheap though. The Dell Inspiron laptop I purchased for my son ranked 2nd in performance and their latest tests of laptops and Dell ranked either 2nd or 3rd for reliability. Sounds like your son is getting a super gift! ;-) Is a nice gift. But kids always cost us money. My 2 cost me a little over $100k for university degrees. You got off cheaply. ;) Both are excellent students. #2 was on a 1/2 ride scholarship, and #1 was on a little less scholarship, and went to a state school. #2 went to a private university. My oldest was offered a full scholarship with $5000 annual expenses to ASU, 1/2 scholarship to NYU and U of S. California. He went to his first choice school which offered him a work study program. Damn kid. He wants to be a college professor and felt the school he went to would carry more weight in academia. University of the Pacific offered bigger grant, but she preferred a better location. Better school and location. Damn Kids. While my son did not take advantage of ASU's offer, they have been extremely successful with their full scholarship and stipend offer. They actually enrolled more National Honor Scholars than Yale, Princeton or Stanford. They send out their offer to all Scholars (most who have not applied to ASU) and time their offer to arrive at about the same time as other schools are finalizing their financial package for the students. When you are looking at the the expense the parents and/or students will incur, it makes ASU look extremely attractive. |
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:49:27 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote: Is a nice gift. But kids always cost us money. My 2 cost me a little over $100k for university degrees. Each or for both? That's a good deal if it's both. Private schools in the east are running $120 to $160K for a 4 year degree. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:49:27 -0800, "Calif Bill" wrote: Is a nice gift. But kids always cost us money. My 2 cost me a little over $100k for university degrees. Each or for both? That's a good deal if it's both. Private schools in the east are running $120 to $160K for a 4 year degree. That was for both. The younger has been out almost 10 years and her school ran $28k / year. Had a scholarship so saved about $13.5k year. The older went to a California state run university and cost me about $12.5k a year total. 5 years for her. As could not get all the classes she needed. One advantage of a private univ. And she has been out about 13 years. |
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Wayne.B wrote: I still think that at least for now, PC is still the machine of commerce. I don't know of anyone who runs internet business applications and/or networking on MAC. Probably more than half of the high traffic websites run their Apache as their webserver. And use ipfw as their firewall. You get both on every single Mac OS X installation, for free. Mac Servers are cheaper than Dell's. Mac Servers are most likely the easiest to administer Unix servers. No wonder, Apple has increased its market share. Just because everyone does it, does not necessarily mean it is a better solution. Do the comparison, have a look at the software and use it. If after that you come to the conclusion that a PC under Windows is the better solution, then by all means go that route. If not, you may find a better way to do things with Mac OS X. You might be pleasently surprised. HTH Marc -- remove bye and from mercial to get valid e-mail http://www.heusser.com |
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Marc Heusser wrote:
In article , Wayne.B wrote: I still think that at least for now, PC is still the machine of commerce. I don't know of anyone who runs internet business applications and/or networking on MAC. Probably more than half of the high traffic websites run their Apache as their webserver. And use ipfw as their firewall. You get both on every single Mac OS X installation, for free. Mac Servers are cheaper than Dell's. Mac Servers are most likely the easiest to administer Unix servers. No wonder, Apple has increased its market share. Just because everyone does it, does not necessarily mean it is a better solution. Do the comparison, have a look at the software and use it. If after that you come to the conclusion that a PC under Windows is the better solution, then by all means go that route. If not, you may find a better way to do things with Mac OS X. You might be pleasently surprised. HTH Marc I keep trying Macs at the Apple stores. Just about everything I try to do on a Mac seems to take more clicks than it does on a PC, plus there seems to be much more in the way of "overlay" on Macs to keep users out of the system. I do like the way Macs look, though. But their bits and pieces are way overpriced on the desktop machines. |
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On Oct 31, 10:55 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:24:43 -0000, wrote: I still think that at least for now, PC is still the machine of commerce. I don't know of anyone who runs internet business applications and/or networking on MAC. Not in the graphic arts business. My brother-in-law runs a small ad agency and he says they have to run Macs just to be compatible with everyone they do business with. I agree totally, that's what MAC shines at for sure. My kid was into graphic design and used MAC for business and school. Still does, with a PC OS installed too.. But again, that and some music mixers, and a few others, not a lot in the contect of "commerce" though. Like I said, each of these tools can be used for many things, but each has it's area where it shines. Here is a quick breakdown, my opinion only of each. MAC- Professional and commercial Graphic arts, education, music, virtual creativity. PC Windows.- General personal and small business use. Finance, web, Office type apps, general MP? and photo work, for the non- professional. Light office networking and IP netwoking (web based networking). Windows 2000_Professional commerce, financial applications, dedicated business network, security, bank communications, credit card gateways, shopping cart and order processing, schedualing, live network communications and dynamic web based databases, lists... etc... Unix, Linux, (Apache).. Everything W2K does, only better;) IP netoworking, and because it ain't MS, no one bothers writing viruses for it. Unix machines have the ability with modules to run any MS type language such as ASP (Active Server Pages). Also supporting many other commercial lanuages and engines such as PHP, Miva, MySql, etc... Again, these are very general observations, exceptions may even be the rule, but I'm just sayin' ;) |
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On Nov 1, 1:24 pm, Marc Heusser
d wrote: In article , Wayne.B wrote: I still think that at least for now, PC is still the machine of commerce. I don't know of anyone who runs internet business applications and/or networking on MAC. Probably more than half of the high traffic websites run their Apache as their webserver. And use ipfw as their firewall. You get both on every single Mac OS X installation, for free. Mac Servers are cheaper than Dell's. Mac Servers are most likely the easiest to administer Unix servers. No wonder, Apple has increased its market share. Just because everyone does it, does not necessarily mean it is a better solution. Do the comparison, have a look at the software and use it. If after that you come to the conclusion that a PC under Windows is the better solution, then by all means go that route. If not, you may find a better way to do things with Mac OS X. You might be pleasently surprised. HTH Marc -- remove bye and from mercial to get valid e-mail http://www.heusser.com I agree to some extent. I can't remember which thread(s) I noted it in, but we do run Apache... on a blade system. |
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On Nov 1, 3:32 pm, wrote:
On Nov 1, 1:24 pm, Marc Heusser d wrote: In article , Wayne.B wrote: I still think that at least for now, PC is still the machine of commerce. I don't know of anyone who runs internet business applications and/or networking on MAC. Probably more than half of the high traffic websites run their Apache as their webserver. And use ipfw as their firewall. You get both on every single Mac OS X installation, for free. Mac Servers are cheaper than Dell's. Mac Servers are most likely the easiest to administer Unix servers. No wonder, Apple has increased its market share. Just because everyone does it, does not necessarily mean it is a better solution. Do the comparison, have a look at the software and use it. If after that you come to the conclusion that a PC under Windows is the better solution, then by all means go that route. If not, you may find a better way to do things with Mac OS X. You might be pleasently surprised. HTH Marc -- remove bye and from mercial to get valid e-mail http://www.heusser.com I agree to some extent. I can't remember which thread(s) I noted it in, but we do run Apache... on a blade system.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Off site backups, linux on a PC... |
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wrote: Unix, Linux, (Apache).. Everything W2K does, only better;) IP netoworking, and because it ain't MS, no one bothers writing viruses for it. Unix machines have the ability with modules to run any MS type language such as ASP (Active Server Pages). Also supporting many other commercial lanuages and engines such as PHP, Miva, MySql, etc... You do know that Mac OS X is a Unix system? Even a certified one, BTW. http://arstechnica.com/journals/appl...-x-leopard-rec eives-unix-03-certification If you cannot avoid it, you can even run them under Windows (see http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/bootcamp.html). Or run any Windows or linux as a process under Mac OS X (see eg www.parallels.com) As for PHP, MySQL etc see http://www.mamp.info/en/index.php Add the following: Java, Maven, Ruby, Ruby on Rails, Python, Perl, SQLite, ... http://www.apple.com/macosx/techspecs/ (see Key Technologies and Development) For the server version: http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/specs.html So according to your opinion: Everything W2K does, only better ;-) Plus arguably the best user interface of Unix systems. Plus the most widely deployed Unix system. And way better on security than Windows, certainly out of the box. I can assure you that if operating systems would be judged like boats, Windows would not do all that well. Serious work: How about this - The fastest Windows Vista notebook tested this year is a Mac (http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,13...s/article.html ) One could go on and on - the only thing I would seriously recommend is do a fair comparison, look at what you get, try the tools (live on a Mac for eg 4 weeks) and only then make up your mind. You might be surprised at what you get for your money when buying a Mac. HTH Marc -- remove bye and from mercial to get valid e-mail http://www.heusser.com |
Mac vs PC
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HK wrote: I keep trying Macs at the Apple stores. Just about everything I try to do on a Mac seems to take more clicks than it does on a PC, plus there seems to be much more in the way of "overlay" on Macs to keep users out of the system. I have seen that happen to me and others: If you are a user of one system and try the other one, you end up doing things the old way, which often is not the best one on the new system. Usually it takes people some 2-3 weeks until they feel comfortable. I have not yet seen anyone look back after 2-3 weeks. http://www.apple.com/support/switch101/ can help. I do like the way Macs look, though. But their bits and pieces are way overpriced on the desktop machines. When you do the comparison for equally equipped machines, this does not hold true anymore. Also eg: changing one of the 4 internal disks of a Mac Pro requires exactly one lever, and 4 screws (provided!) for each of the disks, they slide in and need no cables. Just solid engineering :-) I would say that to a boater a Mac should look just right - it looks nice and works well under all circumstances, like a dependeable boat. HTH Marc -- remove bye and from mercial to get valid e-mail http://www.heusser.com |
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On Nov 1, 5:45 pm, HK wrote:
Marc Heusser wrote: Do the comparison, have a look at the software and use it. If after that you come to the conclusion that a PC under Windows is the better solution, then by all means go that route. If not, you may find a better way to do things with Mac OS X. You might be pleasently surprised. I keep trying Macs at the Apple stores. Just about everything I try to do on a Mac seems to take more clicks than it does on a PC, Could that possibly an issue of familiarity? I'd presume you know all the tricks and shortcuts on Windows, whereas with Mac OS, you don't? It is my anecdotal observation that those ingrained within the Windows way, often try to force a Mac to work just like Windows, and inevitably walk away frustrated and disappointed. That proves nothing other than Windows is better at being Windows than a Mac is. plus there seems to be much more in the way of "overlay" on Macs to keep users out of the system. As opposed to the Windows way which just invites you to f*ck it up? ;) I do like the way Macs look, though. But their bits and pieces are way overpriced on the desktop machines. Only if you assume bullet pointed spec sheets are the sole measure of value. Spec for spec, quality for quality, bundle for bundle, Macs can often compare quite favourably in my experience. Things usually cost what they cost for a reason, even if it's not immediately obvious why. -- This message was brought to you by Wayne Stuart - Have a nice day! |
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On Oct 30, 11:30 pm, HK wrote:
wrote: I still think that at least for now, PC is still the machine of commerce. I don't know of anyone who runs internet business applications and/or networking on MAC. A couple of our clients use them on their end but they are mostly single users/very small business/ single location. And as for running Bootcamp to run your home apps and such, I guess it's like eating Bluefish. It' good "IF"...!!! If you have to say "if" or "can" well, you get it I think:) Just easier to use the PC in my opinion. My point of view is from the perspective of a small IHP... Unix, Linux, Apache. Home systems are XP and I run Vista just to stay informed for customer support reasons. Our backups are also Linux boxes. Oh yeah, we run mods that allow us to handle ASP in case anybody is foolish.. oh, oh... I better stop now;) If you are running PC apps under an Apple Microsoft OS emulator, you are taking a performance hit, period. If by "Apple Microsoft OS emulator" you mean Bootcamp, that's not what it is. Bootcamp is basically an idiot proofed hard disk partitioner. Installing and running Windows on this second partition is not emulating it. It's running it natively, just as it would on any PC. There is no performance hit. Only when running Windows in a virtual environment (e.g. Parallels or Fusion) would there be some performance hit, so that method is really not that practical for things like games. For that, you'd use the Bootcamp created Windows partition. Luckily, you can do either. It's really very cool to be able to run any OS X app, any Windows app, and any Linux app, all on one PC, all at the same time! Geek nirvana! :) -- This message was brought to you by Wayne Stuart - Have a nice day! |
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Marc Heusser wrote:
In article , HK wrote: I keep trying Macs at the Apple stores. Just about everything I try to do on a Mac seems to take more clicks than it does on a PC, plus there seems to be much more in the way of "overlay" on Macs to keep users out of the system. I have seen that happen to me and others: If you are a user of one system and try the other one, you end up doing things the old way, which often is not the best one on the new system. Usually it takes people some 2-3 weeks until they feel comfortable. I have not yet seen anyone look back after 2-3 weeks. http://www.apple.com/support/switch101/ can help. I do like the way Macs look, though. But their bits and pieces are way overpriced on the desktop machines. When you do the comparison for equally equipped machines, this does not hold true anymore. Also eg: changing one of the 4 internal disks of a Mac Pro requires exactly one lever, and 4 screws (provided!) for each of the disks, they slide in and need no cables. Just solid engineering :-) I would say that to a boater a Mac should look just right - it looks nice and works well under all circumstances, like a dependeable boat. HTH Marc One of my clients provided a Mac for me to use in a vacant office when I have to do some last-minute editing on site. I messed with the damned thing for a month, and then just brought in my spare laptop and plopped it down there. |
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Marc Heusser wrote:
In article , Wayne.B wrote: I still think that at least for now, PC is still the machine of commerce. I don't know of anyone who runs internet business applications and/or networking on MAC. Probably more than half of the high traffic websites run their Apache as their webserver. And use ipfw as their firewall. You get both on every single Mac OS X installation, for free. Mac Servers are cheaper than Dell's. Mac Servers are most likely the easiest to administer Unix servers. Macs have been turned into UNIX systems running a form of BSD. No wonder, Apple has increased its market share. Just because everyone does it, does not necessarily mean it is a better solution. Because they got rid of that bomb of an OS called MacOS. Do the comparison, have a look at the software and use it. If after that you come to the conclusion that a PC under Windows is the better solution, then by all means go that route. If not, you may find a better way to do things with Mac OS X. You might be pleasently surprised. How about comparing a PC runnings Linux vs. a Mac running "MacOS". HTH Marc |
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On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:04:22 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote: 5 years for her. As could not get all the classes she needed. One advantage of a private univ. That's become a common problem from what I'm hearing. $100K is nothing to sneeze at but you actually got a pretty good deal in my opinion. Our two were closer to $250 and that included some scholarship assistance but not a lot. They're both doing well however, out of the house, married, and well on their way to successful careers so I guess we got our money's worth. |
Mac vs PC
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:27:44 +0100, Marc Heusser
d wrote: I would say that to a boater a Mac should look just right - it looks nice and works well under all circumstances, like a dependeable boat. Only if you run Windows on it. Most of the navigation apps do not run under Mac operating systems. |
Mac vs PC
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 19:27:28 -0000,
wrote: PC Windows.- General personal and small business use. Finance, web, Office type apps, general MP? and photo work, for the non- professional. Light office networking and IP netwoking (web based networking). PC Windows? No such operating system. Most non-professional users are on WinXP these days. |
Mac vs PC
In article ,
Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:27:44 +0100, Marc Heusser d wrote: I would say that to a boater a Mac should look just right - it looks nice and works well under all circumstances, like a dependeable boat. Only if you run Windows on it. Most of the navigation apps do not run under Mac operating systems. You will find navigation applications for the Mac as well. I'd rather not have my radar running Windows, sorry. Marc -- remove bye and from mercial to get valid e-mail http://www.heusser.com |
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