JimH wrote:
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JimH wrote:
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HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Mike wrote:
Vista is CRAP... pure and simple. I tested it in alpha and beta, and
when that was done, all of my computers went back to XP.

In my office, we have 7 computers on a peer to peer network... all
running XP except one that was replaced recently, and came with
Vista on it. That vista computer is CONSTANTLY having problems
accessing shares on the network, such as a printer at another
workstation. If you print during one of these episodes, the thing
runs like an old 286 for about 5 minutes until it finally gives up,
displaying an error message. Rebooting usually cures it for a time.
That system will get XP when I have some time to do it.

--Mike

Sounds like you're the problem. I have no problems running any of the
printers here on my local VISTA network, which includes machines
running VISTA, XP and even Win2k. My wife's office is on the third
floor, where she runs XP and has a Brother laser printer. I can
easily print on that printer from my office, two floors away, and she
can easily print on my HP color laser printer.

There's always Network Magic if you can't figure out simple Windows
networking.
On Saturday, I installed a new printer on a friend's new Vista laptop.
It would never print the last page of her documents. I thought it was
a problem with her formating in Office, but it seems to only want to
print out all pages on a hit or miss basis. I thought it might be a
problem with the wireless, but did not have the time to correct the
problem. She has a contract with Geek Squad and I told her to have
them come over and sort it out.
I had no idea you were a VISTA geek, skilled in connecting printers via
wireless networks.
I am not, but have never had any problems connecting printers to
wireless or wired connections in the past.

If you really need to be a "Vista Geek" to install a printer, what does
it say about Vista?

If you have to advise someone to call the "Geek Squad" to fix a computer
problem what does it say about your knowledge about computers?
She had already paid for the Geek Squad" program to fix any computer
problem for free, and hopefully they would be able to fix and identify if
the problem was a hardware or software problem quicker than I could. If it
really was a software problem, that this would be the first time in 20
years (and probably more than 20 printers) that I was not able easily
install a printer.

ANYONE should be able to easily install a printer, without any problems.
That fact that this was a problem, verifies why the real "IT geeks" (those
who make their living keeping systems up and running) have steered clear
of Vista.




My son's laptop with VISTA has been running flawlessly since 11-9.

The "Geek Squad"............what a laugh.



I am very glad your son's computer is working well, he deserves it.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is representative of
everyone who has used Vista.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is due to your superior
computer skills.

I am also sure the only reason she/I or anyone has ever had a problem
installing any hardware on Vista is human error.

I am sure you know much more about computers than those who make their
living operating networks and reviewing computers and OS.

Did I miss anything?

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


I am very glad your son's computer is working well, he deserves it.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is representative of
everyone who has used Vista.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is due to your superior
computer skills.

I am also sure the only reason she/I or anyone has ever had a problem
installing any hardware on Vista is human error.

I am sure you know much more about computers than those who make their
living operating networks and reviewing computers and OS.

Did I miss anything?


Did you read any of the directions that might relate to the proper set
up of a printer?

HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


I am very glad your son's computer is working well, he deserves it.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is representative of
everyone who has used Vista.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is due to your superior
computer skills.

I am also sure the only reason she/I or anyone has ever had a problem
installing any hardware on Vista is human error.

I am sure you know much more about computers than those who make their
living operating networks and reviewing computers and OS.

Did I miss anything?


Did you read any of the directions that might relate to the proper set
up of a printer?

I followed the directions that came with the printer, but the printer
install CD really made the entire install process a step by step
process, and it asked you for your version of Windows (included Vista as
an option) . When the printer started to have problems, I followed the
trouble shooting process using Vista help, it did not have any solution
available in the troubleshooting guide that was appropriate to our
problem. So, I updated Vista (it had already installed all updates)
double checked the printer driver (it had the correct driver) then
reinstalled the printer program and reinstalled Office 2003.

At that point, it was still printing correctly only half the time, so I
printed out her resume by reversing the order of the print. She had her
resume printed, which was her immediate concern. I also tried to print
out a web page, it would not print the last page of the web site. Her
printer was working half the time, and told her she really should take
advantage of the service contract she had already paid for. If they
were not able to correct the problem, she will let me know.

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


I am very glad your son's computer is working well, he deserves it.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is representative of
everyone who has used Vista.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is due to your superior
computer skills.

I am also sure the only reason she/I or anyone has ever had a problem
installing any hardware on Vista is human error.

I am sure you know much more about computers than those who make their
living operating networks and reviewing computers and OS.

Did I miss anything?


Did you read any of the directions that might relate to the proper set up
of a printer?

I followed the directions that came with the printer, but the printer
install CD really made the entire install process a step by step process,
and it asked you for your version of Windows (included Vista as an option)
. When the printer started to have problems, I followed the trouble
shooting process using Vista help, it did not have any solution available
in the troubleshooting guide that was appropriate to our problem. So, I
updated Vista (it had already installed all updates) double checked the
printer driver (it had the correct driver) then reinstalled the printer
program and reinstalled Office 2003.

At that point, it was still printing correctly only half the time, so I
printed out her resume by reversing the order of the print. She had her
resume printed, which was her immediate concern. I also tried to print
out a web page, it would not print the last page of the web site. Her
printer was working half the time, and told her she really should take
advantage of the service contract she had already paid for. If they were
not able to correct the problem, she will let me know.

Did you check for a more recent printer driver?

D.Duck wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

I am very glad your son's computer is working well, he deserves it.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is representative of
everyone who has used Vista.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is due to your superior
computer skills.

I am also sure the only reason she/I or anyone has ever had a problem
installing any hardware on Vista is human error.

I am sure you know much more about computers than those who make their
living operating networks and reviewing computers and OS.

Did I miss anything?

Did you read any of the directions that might relate to the proper set up
of a printer?
I followed the directions that came with the printer, but the printer
install CD really made the entire install process a step by step process,
and it asked you for your version of Windows (included Vista as an option)
. When the printer started to have problems, I followed the trouble
shooting process using Vista help, it did not have any solution available
in the troubleshooting guide that was appropriate to our problem. So, I
updated Vista (it had already installed all updates) double checked the
printer driver (it had the correct driver) then reinstalled the printer
program and reinstalled Office 2003.

At that point, it was still printing correctly only half the time, so I
printed out her resume by reversing the order of the print. She had her
resume printed, which was her immediate concern. I also tried to print
out a web page, it would not print the last page of the web site. Her
printer was working half the time, and told her she really should take
advantage of the service contract she had already paid for. If they were
not able to correct the problem, she will let me know.

Did you check for a more recent printer driver?



That is what I meant when I said "doubled checked the printer driver".
I specially checked for the most recent printer driver, both on Windows
update and by visiting the mfg'ers site.

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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D.Duck wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

I am very glad your son's computer is working well, he deserves it.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is representative of
everyone who has used Vista.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is due to your superior
computer skills.

I am also sure the only reason she/I or anyone has ever had a problem
installing any hardware on Vista is human error.

I am sure you know much more about computers than those who make their
living operating networks and reviewing computers and OS.

Did I miss anything?

Did you read any of the directions that might relate to the proper set
up of a printer?
I followed the directions that came with the printer, but the printer
install CD really made the entire install process a step by step
process, and it asked you for your version of Windows (included Vista as
an option) . When the printer started to have problems, I followed the
trouble shooting process using Vista help, it did not have any solution
available in the troubleshooting guide that was appropriate to our
problem. So, I updated Vista (it had already installed all updates)
double checked the printer driver (it had the correct driver) then
reinstalled the printer program and reinstalled Office 2003.

At that point, it was still printing correctly only half the time, so I
printed out her resume by reversing the order of the print. She had her
resume printed, which was her immediate concern. I also tried to print
out a web page, it would not print the last page of the web site. Her
printer was working half the time, and told her she really should take
advantage of the service contract she had already paid for. If they
were not able to correct the problem, she will let me know.

Did you check for a more recent printer driver?

That is what I meant when I said "doubled checked the printer driver". I
specially checked for the most recent printer driver, both on Windows
update and by visiting the mfg'ers site.


Good.

I was listening to Leo LaPorte the other evening and he commented on copious
problems people are having with Vista and networking. Some work fine and
others are pulling their hair out.

I've installed Vista on this machine as a second OS just to give it a
cursory look see. From what I have seen so far I haven't been convinced to
switch from XP. I haven't tried to network my home PCs yet with Vista and
XP together. For fun, or frustration, maybe I'll give it a try.

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

D.Duck wrote:

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in
message . ..

HK wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


I am very glad your son's computer is working well, he deserves it.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is representative of
everyone who has used Vista.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is due to your
superior computer skills.

I am also sure the only reason she/I or anyone has ever had a
problem installing any hardware on Vista is human error.

I am sure you know much more about computers than those who make
their living operating networks and reviewing computers and OS.

Did I miss anything?

Did you read any of the directions that might relate to the proper
set up of a printer?

I followed the directions that came with the printer, but the printer
install CD really made the entire install process a step by step
process, and it asked you for your version of Windows (included Vista
as an option) . When the printer started to have problems, I
followed the trouble shooting process using Vista help, it did not
have any solution available in the troubleshooting guide that was
appropriate to our problem. So, I updated Vista (it had already
installed all updates) double checked the printer driver (it had the
correct driver) then reinstalled the printer program and reinstalled
Office 2003.

At that point, it was still printing correctly only half the time, so
I printed out her resume by reversing the order of the print. She
had her resume printed, which was her immediate concern. I also
tried to print out a web page, it would not print the last page of
the web site. Her printer was working half the time, and told her
she really should take advantage of the service contract she had
already paid for. If they were not able to correct the problem, she
will let me know.


Did you check for a more recent printer driver?


That is what I meant when I said "doubled checked the printer driver". I
specially checked for the most recent printer driver, both on Windows
update and by visiting the mfg'ers site.

You might want to try this..simply delete the printer driver from the
computer. Remove the CD Rom from the comptuer that contains the driver.
Go and install the printer drive, and let the Vista choose it own
printer driver it has.

If that does not work, check the printer manual for compatable printer
driver and manually install the next older version of the driver.

Sorry you are having difficulty. Just remember, when Vista came out,
bunch of manufacturers was scrambling to get drivers working for Vista
and they may not have plugged in all the holes in the drivers.

Gil

p.s. I thought this was a boating topic newsgroup..not computers...

On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:27:13 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


I am very glad your son's computer is working well, he deserves it.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is representative of
everyone who has used Vista.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is due to your superior
computer skills.

I am also sure the only reason she/I or anyone has ever had a problem
installing any hardware on Vista is human error.

I am sure you know much more about computers than those who make their
living operating networks and reviewing computers and OS.

Did I miss anything?


Did you read any of the directions that might relate to the proper set
up of a printer?

I followed the directions that came with the printer, but the printer
install CD really made the entire install process a step by step
process, and it asked you for your version of Windows (included Vista as
an option) . When the printer started to have problems, I followed the
trouble shooting process using Vista help, it did not have any solution
available in the troubleshooting guide that was appropriate to our
problem. So, I updated Vista (it had already installed all updates)
double checked the printer driver (it had the correct driver) then
reinstalled the printer program and reinstalled Office 2003.

At that point, it was still printing correctly only half the time, so I
printed out her resume by reversing the order of the print. She had her
resume printed, which was her immediate concern. I also tried to print
out a web page, it would not print the last page of the web site. Her
printer was working half the time, and told her she really should take
advantage of the service contract she had already paid for. If they
were not able to correct the problem, she will let me know.

FWIW, my brother, who just left, bought a new machine with Vista installed.
He loaded MS Outlook, but it had crashing problems with Vista. He got the
new Outlook 2007. It crashes with Vista. He's now going to try Mozilla and
Thunderbird (or whatever it is) and see if that works with Vista.

He advises that Vista is a piece of crap. But, he doesn't have near the
expertise of some of the folks here.

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:27:13 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

I am very glad your son's computer is working well, he deserves it.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is representative of
everyone who has used Vista.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is due to your superior
computer skills.

I am also sure the only reason she/I or anyone has ever had a problem
installing any hardware on Vista is human error.

I am sure you know much more about computers than those who make their
living operating networks and reviewing computers and OS.

Did I miss anything?

Did you read any of the directions that might relate to the proper set
up of a printer?
I followed the directions that came with the printer, but the printer
install CD really made the entire install process a step by step
process, and it asked you for your version of Windows (included Vista as
an option) . When the printer started to have problems, I followed the
trouble shooting process using Vista help, it did not have any solution
available in the troubleshooting guide that was appropriate to our
problem. So, I updated Vista (it had already installed all updates)
double checked the printer driver (it had the correct driver) then
reinstalled the printer program and reinstalled Office 2003.

At that point, it was still printing correctly only half the time, so I
printed out her resume by reversing the order of the print. She had her
resume printed, which was her immediate concern. I also tried to print
out a web page, it would not print the last page of the web site. Her
printer was working half the time, and told her she really should take
advantage of the service contract she had already paid for. If they
were not able to correct the problem, she will let me know.

FWIW, my brother, who just left, bought a new machine with Vista installed.
He loaded MS Outlook, but it had crashing problems with Vista. He got the
new Outlook 2007. It crashes with Vista. He's now going to try Mozilla and
Thunderbird (or whatever it is) and see if that works with Vista.

He advises that Vista is a piece of crap. But, he doesn't have near the
expertise of some of the folks here.


Does your brother's computer expertise exceed that of you and Reggie
combined?

My 14-year-old nephew installed VISTA on his laptop and runs the Office
2007 suite just fine, including Outlook.

Interesting that your brother apparently got a "standalone" copy of
Outlook 2007.

On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 13:09:10 -0500, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:27:13 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

I am very glad your son's computer is working well, he deserves it.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is representative of
everyone who has used Vista.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is due to your superior
computer skills.

I am also sure the only reason she/I or anyone has ever had a problem
installing any hardware on Vista is human error.

I am sure you know much more about computers than those who make their
living operating networks and reviewing computers and OS.

Did I miss anything?

Did you read any of the directions that might relate to the proper set
up of a printer?
I followed the directions that came with the printer, but the printer
install CD really made the entire install process a step by step
process, and it asked you for your version of Windows (included Vista as
an option) . When the printer started to have problems, I followed the
trouble shooting process using Vista help, it did not have any solution
available in the troubleshooting guide that was appropriate to our
problem. So, I updated Vista (it had already installed all updates)
double checked the printer driver (it had the correct driver) then
reinstalled the printer program and reinstalled Office 2003.

At that point, it was still printing correctly only half the time, so I
printed out her resume by reversing the order of the print. She had her
resume printed, which was her immediate concern. I also tried to print
out a web page, it would not print the last page of the web site. Her
printer was working half the time, and told her she really should take
advantage of the service contract she had already paid for. If they
were not able to correct the problem, she will let me know.

FWIW, my brother, who just left, bought a new machine with Vista installed.
He loaded MS Outlook, but it had crashing problems with Vista. He got the
new Outlook 2007. It crashes with Vista. He's now going to try Mozilla and
Thunderbird (or whatever it is) and see if that works with Vista.

He advises that Vista is a piece of crap. But, he doesn't have near the
expertise of some of the folks here.


Does your brother's computer expertise exceed that of you and Reggie
combined?

My 14-year-old nephew installed VISTA on his laptop and runs the Office
2007 suite just fine, including Outlook.

Interesting that your brother apparently got a "standalone" copy of
Outlook 2007.

Harry, *your* computer expertise far exceeds mine!