On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:37:04 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:12:39 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
om...
D-unit wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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D-unit wrote:

Dear MS (Bill)

Can I get a refund on my copy Vista?

I hate it. Its slow, locks up and does things I don't like.
An OS shouldn't do that.


I just want to run applications as fast as possible. Thats all.
I wouldn't install this bloatware on my work machines unless I
wanted to loose my job and was looking for a way out.


I bought Vista, my stoopid, I know.

db

VISTA isn't slow if you are running the right processor and an
appropriate amount of memory for the applications you use.

Bet you're not.


Apparently not. I have 1 gig of mem, I think you suggested at least 2.

Holy crikey.

My Gateway should have never come with it pre-loaded.
(again my fault)

I figured since it was on there, it should like...be fun/exciting to
use.
Its like
trying to run a marathon with your shoe laces tied together.

db~gimme a C:\ "a keyboard.....how quaint"






Memory is cheap. Find out what you have in there and add another stick
or
two so you have 2 gigs. Were you aware that VISTA with the proper amount
of member does a better job handling several open apps simultaneously?

I can run Adobe Bridge CS3 and Photoshop CS3, working on photos, and at
the same time run my web browser actively, along with my email program,
and my word processor, and switch between the apps almost
instantaneously.
If I also try to burn a DVD at the same time all these apps are running,
the slowdown is noticeable but management, and none of the apps crash.

Try that with XP.

Plus, even though VISTA 64 is way ahead of its time right now, there are
some great new apps coming that will take advantage of it. As soon as
some
start appearing, my current desktop will become a server and I'll build
a
new 64-bit box.


Cheers.



My son's laptop has 2GB, DDR2, 667MHz 2 Dimm memory and the processor is
AMD
Turion 64 X2 TL-60 (2.0GHz/1MB).

I posed the question of the concerns posted here in a computer forum.
Here
is one of the responses I received from what I would judge to be one of
the
experts in the forum on computers

I had a new desktop built in February loaded with Vista. It's wonderful
and
I am delighted with it.
-----------------------------------
Every time MS brings out new software the prophets of doom and gloom come
out of their comfort zone and start whining. The people who condemn Vista
today are the same people who tomorrow will enjoy Vista and will have
forgotten their reluctance to change. It's no different to the same
arguments made when changing from Windows 95 to 98 and then to XP all over
again.

The main protagonists seem to be conservative and frugal home and small
business users who cannot easily afford the hardware required and large
commercial organizations where such a major change would eat into their
mega
profits.

Take no notice and enjoy it.
--------------------------------------------------

Do you see the same trend Harry? Precious! ;-)


Oh, and yes, that *was* so very precious! ;-) :-)

You are really losing it John. Time for another snot nosed brat filled
Disney cruise? ;-)


I would love to.

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:42:48 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:37:04 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:

Do you see the same trend Harry? Precious! ;-)


Oh, and yes, that *was* so very precious! ;-) :-)

You are really losing it John. Time for another snot nosed brat filled
Disney cruise? ;-)

Knock it off guys, it's getting tiresome.

It was much quieter when Jimh had several folks 'filtered'. Maybe he'll do
us a favor and put the folks back in there!

JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
That processor was an *upgrade*.
Your son will love it. It is nice to see how proud you are of your son
and his accomplishment of tackling a difficult task and succeeding. When
does he find out his next assignment. I would assume he now moves onto
his next phase of training.


Thanks. After a 10 day leave at home he flies to NC for infantry/combat
training then onto specialty training. I believe those 2 activities take
up about 4 months.

Did he have a guaranteed contract for an MOS or did he go open contract?
If open contract what has the USMC in its infinite wisdom decided his
contributions would be most beneficial to the Corps?

JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
That processor was an *upgrade*.
Your son will love it. It is nice to see how proud you are of your son
and his accomplishment of tackling a difficult task and succeeding. When
does he find out his next assignment. I would assume he now moves onto
his next phase of training.


Thanks. After a 10 day leave at home he flies to NC for infantry/combat
training then onto specialty training. I believe those 2 activities take
up about 4 months.




I suggest he picks a specialty that keeps him in the states!

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:20:17 -0400, HK wrote:

BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
JimH wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
news On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:04:39 -0400, HK
wrote:

VISTA isn't slow if you are running the right processor and an
appropriate amount of memory for the applications you use.
You really shouldn't need a state-of-the-art, multi-core, multi
processor, 2 Gig PC just to support the operating system, although I
have to admit that IBM has frequently moved in that direction.
Today's
VISTA compatible PCs have more hardware resources available to them
than a corporate mainframe computer 15 years ago. To do what? Browse
the web, type EMAILs, run spreadsheets, play music....

Ridiculous.


"640k of memory should be enough for anybody"
Bill Gates, circa 1981

If you haven't already, don't waste $$$ on MS Office 2007. Also,
when you add programs, VISTA asks you every time if you really want
to do this. You can shut this off, but you ought to leave it on for
a few weeks so you have an idea of some of the intracacies of the OS.

Most of us spell intricacies correctly.


Bert A. Robbins, of Rockville, chimes in...
He's the self-taught IT guy.

You still have my file, but you have done a poor job of keeping it up to
date. You are slipping Krause.

BTW, any pictures of your 36' Zimmerman like Lobsta' boat?

Lots of pictures.

Rockville, Damascus, Gaithersburg...one of those crowded 'burbs, right?
I mean, I can't tell them apart.

I didn't make the BAR-Robbins connection until you revealed yourself as
the "self-made" IT go-fer.

Gosh, Harry! Bert and I have been talking golf for ages. I'm really
surprised you didn't make the connection.

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:29:46 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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snip..
Actually, I was just wondering how she's doing.

Do you have a power of attorney to be Don's representative now?


John... you have no interest in how she's doing. Everyone who bothers to
read your posts knows your little game.
How about this... she's doing fine until I tell you different.


That'll work! I'm glad to hear it.

While Microsoft is selling Vista, it is only because of the monopolistic
hold on the bundling aspect of the supply chain. Remember, how many sold in
a monopoly is not an indication of how many people are running it. There
are not too many people actually buying Vista as an unbundled product.

I estimate 1/2 are downgrading to XP in the consumer market, and 90% are
doing the same in the business market. That is why companies like Dell
didn't get the usual hardware sales bounce of previous major releases of
Microsoft Windows.

Vista is an Edsel. It is easier to learn Red Hat Linux.

NOVL is today where I expect MSFT to be in 15-20 years. A once on the top
flop.

"HK" wrote in message
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Microsoft: 88 Million Copies of Vista Shipped
Despite underwhelming consumers and being snubbed by enterprises, Windows
Vista's numbers keep growing.
Eric Lai, Computerworld
Friday, October 26, 2007 09:00 AM PDT

Despite underwhelming consumers and being snubbed by enterprises, Windows
Vista's numbers keep growing, with Microsoft Corp. saying Thursday that it
has now shipped *88 million copies* of the operating system, almost double
the number of copies of XP in the same amount of time at its launch.

In late July, Microsoft said it had hit the 60 million shipment mark with
Vista.

Microsoft had previously said that it had shipped 20 million copies of
Vista in its first month and 40 million copies of Vista in the first 100
days.

Microsoft credited Vista with helping it beat Wall Street expectations and
raise financial projections for the rest of the year. The company reported
revenue of US$13.76 billion for the first quarter ended Sept. 30, up 27
percent from the same quarter in 2006.

Revenue in its client segment, which includes all consumer versions of
Windows, was $4.14 billion, edging out the $4.11 billion in revenue from
the Microsoft Business Division where Office is produced.

CFO Chris Liddell credited strong sales in emerging markets, due in part
to anti-piracy and legalization programs there.

Client revenues, however, did not top those of the first calendar quarter
this year, when Vista was officially launched. Revenues at that time were
$5.32 billion.

Three-quarters of the copies sold of Vista were higher-priced 'premium'
versions, compared to 59 percent of the copies of Windows -- primarily
XP -- available a year ago.

The 88 million figure mostly includes Vista-installed PCs bought by
consumers and small businesses, as well as packaged copies of Vista sold
in stores or online.

It does exclude the tens of millions of Windows corporate volume licenses.
There, many enterprises continue to hold off on deploying Vista,
acknowledged CFO Chris Liddell, though he expects them to start deploying
it when Vista Service Pack 1's arrival in the first quarter of next year.

Nevertheless, revenue from companies renewing their volume licenses for
Windows, which gives them the right to upgrade to Vista, was up 27
percent.

Other highlights from the statistics:

-- Unit sales of Windows Server's premium enterprise edition were up 35
percent year-over-year;

-- A release candidate for Windows Server 2008 has been downloaded more
than one million times in its first month;

-- Unit and revenue growth of SQL Server were both up more than 15
percent;

-- Halo 3 generated $330 million in revenue;

-- Xbox 360 console unit sales increased 90 percent, driven by a price cut
in August and Halo 3-related demand;

-- Client revenues, including those for Vista, are expected to grow 62-64
percent year-over-year in the current fiscal Q2, or 13-14 percent
excluding certain revenue deferrals in the prior year;

-- Microsoft Business Division revenues, including those for Office, are
expected to grow 15-16 percent in Q2 after normalizing for impact of
technology guarantees and pre-shipment deferrals in the prior year;

-- A beta version of Office Communications Server has been downloaded
80,000 times;

-- There are 10,000 customers in the Customer Technical Preview (CTP)
program for PerformancePoint Server, its new business intelligence
offering.

Is there a new sherrif in town? Giddy-up. This should be fun.


"HK" wrote in message
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:46:43 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:

Lead by example Wayne...........something we can all do.

Yes *we* could. If you can straighten out Harry I'll tackle everyone
else.


That'll be fun to watch. I'll remind you of your pledge.


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Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:46:22 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

And I can buy more computer already built and tested for less money than a
DIY project.

Yes, and less risk also.


What risk? I buy better quality products for my DIYs than the "name"
system integrators. I'd rather deal directly with ATI or NVIDIA or one
of the major league hard drive manufacturers than one of the non-English
speaking idiots in customer support at your average "name" computer
computer.

On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 12:36:07 -0400, HK wrote:

What risk?

Have all of your self assembled PCs worked right out of the box? I've
built more than a few myself, the vast majority of which worked just
fine. When they don't though, you are on your own for troubleshooting
and problem isolation. If you buy pre-assembled and it doesn't work
all you have to do is call up and get a RMA number.