Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 12:36:07 -0400, HK wrote:

What risk?

Have all of your self assembled PCs worked right out of the box? I've
built more than a few myself, the vast majority of which worked just
fine. When they don't though, you are on your own for troubleshooting
and problem isolation. If you buy pre-assembled and it doesn't work
all you have to do is call up and get a RMA number.


I've built at least two dozen PCs over the years. All but one worked
perfectly right out of the box. The one that did not had a bad power
supply. As soon as I swapped it out, it came to life.

I don't buy Brand X components, and I try to deal with reputable
vendors, both at point of sale and further back, at point of manufacture.

As an example, on my current desktop, I was not satisfied with the
performance of the HP DVD writer/Lightscribe printer. I called HP, got
an RMA *and* HP agreed to a hot swap. I've encountered "hot swaps" with
Seagate and other drive manufacturers.

I appreciate what you are saying, though. I don't "build" my laptops.
But I don't try to stay on the edge with those, since my use of them is
really limited to on the road use and what I am looking for there is
durability.

Vista is CRAP... pure and simple. I tested it in alpha and beta, and when
that was done, all of my computers went back to XP.

In my office, we have 7 computers on a peer to peer network... all running
XP except one that was replaced recently, and came with Vista on it. That
vista computer is CONSTANTLY having problems accessing shares on the
network, such as a printer at another workstation. If you print during one
of these episodes, the thing runs like an old 286 for about 5 minutes until
it finally gives up, displaying an error message. Rebooting usually cures it
for a time. That system will get XP when I have some time to do it.

--Mike

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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HK wrote:
Microsoft: 88 Million Copies of Vista Shipped
Despite underwhelming consumers and being snubbed by enterprises, Windows
Vista's numbers keep growing.
Eric Lai, Computerworld
Friday, October 26, 2007 09:00 AM PDT

Despite underwhelming consumers and being snubbed by enterprises, Windows
Vista's numbers keep growing, with Microsoft Corp. saying Thursday that
it has now shipped *88 million copies* of the operating system, almost
double the number of copies of XP in the same amount of time at its
launch.

The 88 million figure mostly includes Vista-installed PCs bought by
consumers and small businesses,

Harry,
I guess if that just shows if you push Vista at the OEM side, that even a
dog like Vista can get out in the Marketplace. While the number of
copies of Vista is double that of XP, did you read that there were more
than double the number of computers sold?

JimH purchased Vista thinking it was great and the first thing he wanted
to do is figure out a way to tweak it so it wouldn't run so slow. It just
goes to show you PT Barnum was correct.

What did you think of Vista doubling the market share of Macs, now that is
REALLY impressive.

Mike wrote:
Vista is CRAP... pure and simple. I tested it in alpha and beta, and when
that was done, all of my computers went back to XP.

In my office, we have 7 computers on a peer to peer network... all running
XP except one that was replaced recently, and came with Vista on it. That
vista computer is CONSTANTLY having problems accessing shares on the
network, such as a printer at another workstation. If you print during one
of these episodes, the thing runs like an old 286 for about 5 minutes until
it finally gives up, displaying an error message. Rebooting usually cures it
for a time. That system will get XP when I have some time to do it.

--Mike


Sounds like you're the problem. I have no problems running any of the
printers here on my local VISTA network, which includes machines running
VISTA, XP and even Win2k. My wife's office is on the third floor, where
she runs XP and has a Brother laser printer. I can easily print on that
printer from my office, two floors away, and she can easily print on my
HP color laser printer.

There's always Network Magic if you can't figure out simple Windows
networking.

HK wrote:
Mike wrote:
Vista is CRAP... pure and simple. I tested it in alpha and beta, and
when that was done, all of my computers went back to XP.

In my office, we have 7 computers on a peer to peer network... all
running XP except one that was replaced recently, and came with Vista
on it. That vista computer is CONSTANTLY having problems accessing
shares on the network, such as a printer at another workstation. If
you print during one of these episodes, the thing runs like an old 286
for about 5 minutes until it finally gives up, displaying an error
message. Rebooting usually cures it for a time. That system will get
XP when I have some time to do it.

--Mike


Sounds like you're the problem. I have no problems running any of the
printers here on my local VISTA network, which includes machines running
VISTA, XP and even Win2k. My wife's office is on the third floor, where
she runs XP and has a Brother laser printer. I can easily print on that
printer from my office, two floors away, and she can easily print on my
HP color laser printer.

There's always Network Magic if you can't figure out simple Windows
networking.

On Saturday, I installed a new printer on a friend's new Vista laptop.
It would never print the last page of her documents. I thought it was a
problem with her formating in Office, but it seems to only want to print
out all pages on a hit or miss basis. I thought it might be a problem
with the wireless, but did not have the time to correct the problem.
She has a contract with Geek Squad and I told her to have them come over
and sort it out.

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Mike wrote:
Vista is CRAP... pure and simple. I tested it in alpha and beta, and
when that was done, all of my computers went back to XP.

In my office, we have 7 computers on a peer to peer network... all
running XP except one that was replaced recently, and came with Vista
on it. That vista computer is CONSTANTLY having problems accessing
shares on the network, such as a printer at another workstation. If
you print during one of these episodes, the thing runs like an old
286 for about 5 minutes until it finally gives up, displaying an
error message. Rebooting usually cures it for a time. That system
will get XP when I have some time to do it.

--Mike


Sounds like you're the problem. I have no problems running any of the
printers here on my local VISTA network, which includes machines
running VISTA, XP and even Win2k. My wife's office is on the third
floor, where she runs XP and has a Brother laser printer. I can easily
print on that printer from my office, two floors away, and she can
easily print on my HP color laser printer.

There's always Network Magic if you can't figure out simple Windows
networking.

On Saturday, I installed a new printer on a friend's new Vista laptop.
It would never print the last page of her documents. I thought it was a
problem with her formating in Office, but it seems to only want to print
out all pages on a hit or miss basis. I thought it might be a problem
with the wireless, but did not have the time to correct the problem. She
has a contract with Geek Squad and I told her to have them come over and
sort it out.


I had no idea you were a VISTA geek, skilled in connecting printers via
wireless networks.

HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Mike wrote:
Vista is CRAP... pure and simple. I tested it in alpha and beta, and
when that was done, all of my computers went back to XP.

In my office, we have 7 computers on a peer to peer network... all
running XP except one that was replaced recently, and came with
Vista on it. That vista computer is CONSTANTLY having problems
accessing shares on the network, such as a printer at another
workstation. If you print during one of these episodes, the thing
runs like an old 286 for about 5 minutes until it finally gives up,
displaying an error message. Rebooting usually cures it for a time.
That system will get XP when I have some time to do it.

--Mike


Sounds like you're the problem. I have no problems running any of the
printers here on my local VISTA network, which includes machines
running VISTA, XP and even Win2k. My wife's office is on the third
floor, where she runs XP and has a Brother laser printer. I can
easily print on that printer from my office, two floors away, and she
can easily print on my HP color laser printer.

There's always Network Magic if you can't figure out simple Windows
networking.

On Saturday, I installed a new printer on a friend's new Vista laptop.
It would never print the last page of her documents. I thought it was
a problem with her formating in Office, but it seems to only want to
print out all pages on a hit or miss basis. I thought it might be a
problem with the wireless, but did not have the time to correct the
problem. She has a contract with Geek Squad and I told her to have
them come over and sort it out.


I had no idea you were a VISTA geek, skilled in connecting printers via
wireless networks.

I am not, but have never had any problems connecting printers to
wireless or wired connections in the past.

If you really need to be a "Vista Geek" to install a printer, what does
it say about Vista?

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Mike wrote:
Vista is CRAP... pure and simple. I tested it in alpha and beta,
and when that was done, all of my computers went back to XP.

In my office, we have 7 computers on a peer to peer network... all
running XP except one that was replaced recently, and came with
Vista on it. That vista computer is CONSTANTLY having problems
accessing shares on the network, such as a printer at another
workstation. If you print during one of these episodes, the thing
runs like an old 286 for about 5 minutes until it finally gives up,
displaying an error message. Rebooting usually cures it for a time.
That system will get XP when I have some time to do it.

--Mike


Sounds like you're the problem. I have no problems running any of
the printers here on my local VISTA network, which includes machines
running VISTA, XP and even Win2k. My wife's office is on the third
floor, where she runs XP and has a Brother laser printer. I can
easily print on that printer from my office, two floors away, and
she can easily print on my HP color laser printer.

There's always Network Magic if you can't figure out simple Windows
networking.

On Saturday, I installed a new printer on a friend's new Vista
laptop. It would never print the last page of her documents. I
thought it was a problem with her formating in Office, but it seems
to only want to print out all pages on a hit or miss basis. I
thought it might be a problem with the wireless, but did not have the
time to correct the problem. She has a contract with Geek Squad and I
told her to have them come over and sort it out.


I had no idea you were a VISTA geek, skilled in connecting printers
via wireless networks.

I am not, but have never had any problems connecting printers to
wireless or wired connections in the past.

If you really need to be a "Vista Geek" to install a printer, what does
it say about Vista?



That you have to read the directions. I haven't had any problems
connecting VISTA to hardware, but, then, I read the directions.

Did you run a windows printer test page when you were finished? Did it
print properly?

JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Mike wrote:
Vista is CRAP... pure and simple. I tested it in alpha and beta, and
when that was done, all of my computers went back to XP.

In my office, we have 7 computers on a peer to peer network... all
running XP except one that was replaced recently, and came with Vista
on it. That vista computer is CONSTANTLY having problems accessing
shares on the network, such as a printer at another workstation. If
you print during one of these episodes, the thing runs like an old 286
for about 5 minutes until it finally gives up, displaying an error
message. Rebooting usually cures it for a time. That system will get
XP when I have some time to do it.

--Mike

Sounds like you're the problem. I have no problems running any of the
printers here on my local VISTA network, which includes machines
running VISTA, XP and even Win2k. My wife's office is on the third
floor, where she runs XP and has a Brother laser printer. I can easily
print on that printer from my office, two floors away, and she can
easily print on my HP color laser printer.

There's always Network Magic if you can't figure out simple Windows
networking.
On Saturday, I installed a new printer on a friend's new Vista laptop.
It would never print the last page of her documents. I thought it was a
problem with her formating in Office, but it seems to only want to print
out all pages on a hit or miss basis. I thought it might be a problem
with the wireless, but did not have the time to correct the problem. She
has a contract with Geek Squad and I told her to have them come over and
sort it out.

I had no idea you were a VISTA geek, skilled in connecting printers via
wireless networks.
I am not, but have never had any problems connecting printers to wireless
or wired connections in the past.

If you really need to be a "Vista Geek" to install a printer, what does it
say about Vista?


If you have to advise someone to call the "Geek Squad" to fix a computer
problem what does it say about your knowledge about computers?



She had already paid for the Geek Squad" program to fix any computer
problem for free, and hopefully they would be able to fix and identify
if the problem was a hardware or software problem quicker than I could.
If it really was a software problem, that this would be the first time
in 20 years (and probably more than 20 printers) that I was not able
easily install a printer.

ANYONE should be able to easily install a printer, without any problems.
That fact that this was a problem, verifies why the real "IT geeks"
(those who make their living keeping systems up and running) have
steered clear of Vista.

HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Mike wrote:
Vista is CRAP... pure and simple. I tested it in alpha and beta,
and when that was done, all of my computers went back to XP.

In my office, we have 7 computers on a peer to peer network... all
running XP except one that was replaced recently, and came with
Vista on it. That vista computer is CONSTANTLY having problems
accessing shares on the network, such as a printer at another
workstation. If you print during one of these episodes, the thing
runs like an old 286 for about 5 minutes until it finally gives
up, displaying an error message. Rebooting usually cures it for a
time. That system will get XP when I have some time to do it.

--Mike


Sounds like you're the problem. I have no problems running any of
the printers here on my local VISTA network, which includes
machines running VISTA, XP and even Win2k. My wife's office is on
the third floor, where she runs XP and has a Brother laser printer.
I can easily print on that printer from my office, two floors away,
and she can easily print on my HP color laser printer.

There's always Network Magic if you can't figure out simple Windows
networking.

On Saturday, I installed a new printer on a friend's new Vista
laptop. It would never print the last page of her documents. I
thought it was a problem with her formating in Office, but it seems
to only want to print out all pages on a hit or miss basis. I
thought it might be a problem with the wireless, but did not have
the time to correct the problem. She has a contract with Geek Squad
and I told her to have them come over and sort it out.


I had no idea you were a VISTA geek, skilled in connecting printers
via wireless networks.

I am not, but have never had any problems connecting printers to
wireless or wired connections in the past.

If you really need to be a "Vista Geek" to install a printer, what
does it say about Vista?



That you have to read the directions. I haven't had any problems
connecting VISTA to hardware, but, then, I read the directions.

Did you run a windows printer test page when you were finished? Did it
print properly?

yes it did, but it was a one page colored document. If the printer was
set up to print the last page first, it would not print the first page.
If it was set up to run the first page first, it would not print the
last page.

I did a test running 4 pages, with only the number printed on each page.
All 4 pages ran. It might have been that her documents had the
margins set up outside of the accepted margins of Vista, but that has
never stopped a page from printing in other versions of Windows, the
page just may not have printed correctly. In WinXP, her document would
print out perfectly.

JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Mike wrote:
Vista is CRAP... pure and simple. I tested it in alpha and beta, and
when that was done, all of my computers went back to XP.

In my office, we have 7 computers on a peer to peer network... all
running XP except one that was replaced recently, and came with
Vista on it. That vista computer is CONSTANTLY having problems
accessing shares on the network, such as a printer at another
workstation. If you print during one of these episodes, the thing
runs like an old 286 for about 5 minutes until it finally gives up,
displaying an error message. Rebooting usually cures it for a time.
That system will get XP when I have some time to do it.

--Mike

Sounds like you're the problem. I have no problems running any of the
printers here on my local VISTA network, which includes machines
running VISTA, XP and even Win2k. My wife's office is on the third
floor, where she runs XP and has a Brother laser printer. I can
easily print on that printer from my office, two floors away, and she
can easily print on my HP color laser printer.

There's always Network Magic if you can't figure out simple Windows
networking.
On Saturday, I installed a new printer on a friend's new Vista laptop.
It would never print the last page of her documents. I thought it was
a problem with her formating in Office, but it seems to only want to
print out all pages on a hit or miss basis. I thought it might be a
problem with the wireless, but did not have the time to correct the
problem. She has a contract with Geek Squad and I told her to have
them come over and sort it out.
I had no idea you were a VISTA geek, skilled in connecting printers via
wireless networks.
I am not, but have never had any problems connecting printers to
wireless or wired connections in the past.

If you really need to be a "Vista Geek" to install a printer, what does
it say about Vista?

If you have to advise someone to call the "Geek Squad" to fix a computer
problem what does it say about your knowledge about computers?
She had already paid for the Geek Squad" program to fix any computer
problem for free, and hopefully they would be able to fix and identify if
the problem was a hardware or software problem quicker than I could. If it
really was a software problem, that this would be the first time in 20
years (and probably more than 20 printers) that I was not able easily
install a printer.

ANYONE should be able to easily install a printer, without any problems.
That fact that this was a problem, verifies why the real "IT geeks" (those
who make their living keeping systems up and running) have steered clear
of Vista.




My son's laptop with VISTA has been running flawlessly since 11-9.

The "Geek Squad"............what a laugh.



I am very glad your son's computer is working well, he deserves it.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is representative of
everyone who has used Vista.

I am sure yours and Harry's success with Vista is due to your superior
computer skills.

I am also sure the only reason she/I or anyone has ever had a problem
installing any hardware on Vista is human error.

I am sure you know much more about computers than those who make their
living operating networks and reviewing computers and OS.

Did I miss anything?