Yep, I should have said Carnuba, but I think the idea got across.

All this talk about Zaino makes me wonder about how a polish can protect
paint or fiberglass. Seems like you need a coating of some sort to do that job,
and as far as I know, Carnuba was is one of the toughest of those types.

My experience has been with Simoniz wax with Carnuba was and it protected
my 1990 van's paint for 11 years with a once a year application. When I sold
it, the paint still looked great.

I bought the "On and Off" new gel formulation at West Marine today. The latest
issue of Practical Boater rated it highly along with another brand which West didn't
carry. Practical Boater gave the other brand a higher rating because it was half the
price of "On and Off". The West salesman recognized this and matched the price
to the other stuff. I think Boater's World carried the other brand. These are all
mixtures of various acids, so they probably are equally effective.

Sherwin

BAR wrote:

sherwindu wrote:
My experience with waxes are the easier they apply, the less protection. I only use
waxes with Carbona. It isn't easy to apply, but it lasts a whole season.

Is that Carnuba? If it is then that put that in some cheap chocolates too.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:46:54 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

They say it is the most sophisticated system of synthetic polymeric
system available today. Great marketing, but doesn't really say
anything, I think most of today's polishes are synthetic polymers.

I sent them a request for the MSDS to see what it really is.

There is a reason why I asked if it contains silicone, and many
"miracle" finishing products do. It is almost impossible to repaint a
surface that has been coated with silicone which is a problem for
those with awlgrip on their boats and might need a touch up at some
point.

Automotive paint stores have a solution to remove the silicone. Fish Eye
remover.

"John H." wrote in message
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:50:45 -0000, wrote:

On Oct 29, 5:16 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

...





On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 06:16:05 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

I have always use a
product called "On and Off Hull and Bottom Cleaner". I think it has
muriatic acid, but really am not sure. I have purchased it at West
Marine and my marina's store, so I think it is readily available at
all
Marine Supply Stores.

"On and Off" works extremely well. It should, the main ingredient is
hydrochloric acid. It does not seem to harm fiberglass but it will
damage some kinds of paint and take wax off the hull. I wear rubber
gloves and glasses when I use it, wet everything down in advance, and
rinse well afterward. The best way to avoid slime build up is a good
coat of wax. Zud and Soft Scrub are two of the worst things you can
use on a fiberglass boat, try everything else first.

Best acid cleaners are the ones for toilets. Home Depot may carry them,
but
janitorial supply stores do. Is a gel type version of muriatic acid.-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Where'd you get your degree in Chemical Engineering? OR are you now
resorting to cleaning public toilets to get a little cash as opposed
to being a handyman?

He was simply providing some information. Does that call for the kind of
**** you just delivered? If you disagree and have better information,
please provide it.

He can not help it. To stupid to know different. I found it out when we
had a drought in the early 80's and deposits would build up in the toilets.
Plumber friend told me about the stuff. Since I can learn, I found out
about good cleaner for deposits that acid will remove.

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
HK wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:25:55 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:50:45 -0000, wrote:

On Oct 29, 5:16 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

...





On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 06:16:05 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
I have always use a
product called "On and Off Hull and Bottom Cleaner". I think it
has
muriatic acid, but really am not sure. I have purchased it at
West
Marine and my marina's store, so I think it is readily available
at all
Marine Supply Stores.
"On and Off" works extremely well. It should, the main ingredient
is
hydrochloric acid. It does not seem to harm fiberglass but it will
damage some kinds of paint and take wax off the hull. I wear
rubber
gloves and glasses when I use it, wet everything down in advance,
and
rinse well afterward. The best way to avoid slime build up is a
good
coat of wax. Zud and Soft Scrub are two of the worst things you
can
use on a fiberglass boat, try everything else first.
Best acid cleaners are the ones for toilets. Home Depot may carry
them, but
janitorial supply stores do. Is a gel type version of muriatic
acid.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Where'd you get your degree in Chemical Engineering? OR are you now
resorting to cleaning public toilets to get a little cash as opposed
to being a handyman?
He was simply providing some information. Does that call for the kind
of
**** you just delivered? If you disagree and have better information,
please provide it.
http://www.endeavorcomics.com/largent/ranger/rang.wav



My OS is XP and I don't think it'll run a WAV. Just tell me about it.


A classic response.

It real was a good one.


Was it William Tell Overture. And do you know why it was used as the Lone
Ranger theme?
..
..
..
..
Was out of copyright and was free.

John H. wrote:
;-)


I defer to your expertise. But why go with a cheap AMD?

When I returned my Dell with an Intel chip, I purchased a AMD chip,
because all of the speed test run on the software I used showed AMD was
outperforming the equivalent Intel chip.

I could see a substantial increase in speed between the two computers,
but i am not sure how much of that was the CPU and how much was the
computer set up and preinstalled trialware, freeware, spyware and
bloatware installed on the machines. Gateway puts on substantially less
than Dell.

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:31:57 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
HK wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:25:55 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:50:45 -0000, wrote:

On Oct 29, 5:16 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

...





On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 06:16:05 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
I have always use a
product called "On and Off Hull and Bottom Cleaner". I think it
has
muriatic acid, but really am not sure. I have purchased it at
West
Marine and my marina's store, so I think it is readily available
at all
Marine Supply Stores.
"On and Off" works extremely well. It should, the main ingredient
is
hydrochloric acid. It does not seem to harm fiberglass but it will
damage some kinds of paint and take wax off the hull. I wear
rubber
gloves and glasses when I use it, wet everything down in advance,
and
rinse well afterward. The best way to avoid slime build up is a
good
coat of wax. Zud and Soft Scrub are two of the worst things you
can
use on a fiberglass boat, try everything else first.
Best acid cleaners are the ones for toilets. Home Depot may carry
them, but
janitorial supply stores do. Is a gel type version of muriatic
acid.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Where'd you get your degree in Chemical Engineering? OR are you now
resorting to cleaning public toilets to get a little cash as opposed
to being a handyman?
He was simply providing some information. Does that call for the kind
of
**** you just delivered? If you disagree and have better information,
please provide it.
http://www.endeavorcomics.com/largent/ranger/rang.wav


My OS is XP and I don't think it'll run a WAV. Just tell me about it.

A classic response.
It real was a good one.

Was it William Tell Overture. And do you know why it was used as the Lone
Ranger theme?
.
.
.
.
Was out of copyright and was free.


I didn't listen, so don't know what it was. But, the story of William Tell
and the overture together make a good way to show children how music can be
used to enhance a story. It, Peter and the Wolf, and the Nutcracker Suite
were used by my mom to get me started, and I was able to get my kids hooked
the same way.

Hey JohnH, did you know windows will play wav files.

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:35:47 -0500, John H. wrote:


I defer to your expertise. But why go with a cheap AMD?

AMD is no longer the "cheap" chip, and hasn't been for several years. Using benchmarks, AMD
has given Intel a run for the money. It seems, lately, the speed lead has been switching back
and forth, with every new generation of chip.

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_2007.html

thunder wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:35:47 -0500, John H. wrote:


I defer to your expertise. But why go with a cheap AMD?

AMD is no longer the "cheap" chip, and hasn't been for several years. Using benchmarks, AMD
has given Intel a run for the money. It seems, lately, the speed lead has been switching back
and forth, with every new generation of chip.

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_2007.html


The cheap AMD chips are cheap indeed, but there's nothing wrong with
them, and the high-end AMD chips are as thunder sez.

thunder wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:35:47 -0500, John H. wrote:


I defer to your expertise. But why go with a cheap AMD?

AMD is no longer the "cheap" chip, and hasn't been for several years. Using benchmarks, AMD
has given Intel a run for the money. It seems, lately, the speed lead has been switching back
and forth, with every new generation of chip.

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_2007.html

Sort of like Cameras. For years Canon had a slight edge over Nikon.
Today (especially with the D300 and D3 coming out) Nikon has the slight
edge over Canon.

Gamers have preferred AMD for a long time, but I think part of that is
they could tweak and overclock AMD better than Intel.

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:39:08 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:


"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:25:55 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:50:45 -0000, wrote:

On Oct 29, 5:16 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

...





On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 06:16:05 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
I have always use a
product called "On and Off Hull and Bottom Cleaner". I think it
has
muriatic acid, but really am not sure. I have purchased it at
West
Marine and my marina's store, so I think it is readily available
at
all
Marine Supply Stores.
"On and Off" works extremely well. It should, the main
ingredient is
hydrochloric acid. It does not seem to harm fiberglass but it
will
damage some kinds of paint and take wax off the hull. I wear
rubber
gloves and glasses when I use it, wet everything down in advance,
and
rinse well afterward. The best way to avoid slime build up is a
good
coat of wax. Zud and Soft Scrub are two of the worst things you
can
use on a fiberglass boat, try everything else first.
Best acid cleaners are the ones for toilets. Home Depot may carry
them,
but
janitorial supply stores do. Is a gel type version of muriatic
acid.-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Where'd you get your degree in Chemical Engineering? OR are you now
resorting to cleaning public toilets to get a little cash as
opposed
to being a handyman?
He was simply providing some information. Does that call for the
kind of
**** you just delivered? If you disagree and have better
information,
please provide it.
http://www.endeavorcomics.com/largent/ranger/rang.wav


My OS is XP and I don't think it'll run a WAV. Just tell me about it.
ROTF! You cannot open a wav file?

And you present yourself as a VISTA expert? ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!
As I stated, a classic response.

We will now hear............it was a joke.

Another classic response! ;-)

JimH, I am pretty sure wav files have always worked in Windows.


Yep. Now tell that to John H. ;-)


I defer to your expertise. But why go with a cheap AMD?