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GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
Eisboch wrote:
" JimH" ask wrote in message ... Who knows how it pans out for the person doing a lot of towing. All you need is *all* wheel drive ....... http://www.eisboch.com/kingman3 Eisboch Uh...who painted the bottom on that boat? |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
"HK" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: " JimH" ask wrote in message ... Who knows how it pans out for the person doing a lot of towing. All you need is *all* wheel drive ....... http://www.eisboch.com/kingman3 Eisboch Uh...who painted the bottom on that boat? Weird, huh? I know the guy that owns this boat. All I can say is that the bottom paint fits his personality. He's really into *image* .... both himself and his possessions. Probably doesn't want to be seen on a plane with that ugly bottom paint showing. Eisboch |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
On Oct 22, 2:30?pm, " JimH" ask wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message ups.com... On Oct 22, 11:29?am, "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote: "Chuck Gould" Fuel economy is reputed to be about 25% better than gasoline-powered trucks with equal towing capacity. mmm hmmmm. db My personal experience with the 400H indicates that hybrid technology can indeed improve gas mileage. Our 400H dramatically outperforms the standard V6 equivalent (especially in acceleration), and with the trip computer on for a variety of in town and highway driving last weekend we realized a genuine 28.2 mpg. EPA fantasies aside, I think we would have been lucky to get much more than about 20-22 mpg with the slower, orthodox V6. I'm not sure that the ECVT transmission is heavy duty enough for extremely large loads, but for small trailer boats under 5-6,000 pounds the hybrid might be a workable alternative. It would at least bear looking into. Everything I have read says the average driver will never recoup the extra money spend on a hybrid in gasoline savings. It looks like your Lexus hybrid cost you about $5,000 more than the comparable non hybrid Lexus. That works out to 1,667 gallons of gas @ $3/gallon just to break even. Who knows how it pans out for the person doing a lot of towing.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Some decisions aren't made for entirely financial reasons. We chose the car we did because performance was much improved over the standard V6 model *and* it's nice once in a while to make a decision that shows a little bit of mercy on the environment. If we wanted to make a totally smart financial decision, we would have purchased a brand new, tiny, Sally Rand Toyonda, kept it for 15 years, and driven it 200-300k miles As far as saving 1667 gallons of gas goes- it's actually a little less because gas out here is running about $3.30 a gallon and (like everywhere else) seems to be headed up again. From a performance perspective, we would have to compare fuel consumption with a V8, not the V6, and saving 1667 gallons isn't out of the question. I think it's interesting that GM is introducing similar technology on vehicles suitable for light duty towing. |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... Some decisions aren't made for entirely financial reasons. We chose the car we did because performance was much improved over the standard V6 model *and* it's nice once in a while to make a decision that shows a little bit of mercy on the environment. If we wanted to make a totally smart financial decision, we would have purchased a brand new, tiny, Sally Rand Toyonda, kept it for 15 years, and driven it 200-300k miles I think it's interesting that GM is introducing similar technology on vehicles suitable for light duty towing. Electric motors by virtue of their design have tremendous torque ... much more than a gas or diesel engine of the same horsepower. Diesel/Electric is the answer, my friend! Eisboch |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Oct 22, 11:31?am, "Ernest Scribbler" wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote You will be able to buy a half ton pickup from GM, rated for 6000 lb towing capacity, in the 2008 model year. Whoah. I'm getting a huge raise? Or hitting the lottery? You as in the group sense, not the specific. Prices reputedly "start" at under $40,000, and if I'm not mistaken that's not an exceptionally high price for a new full size truck. Chuck do the math. Compare the cost of a hybrid vs. a non-hybrid over 150,000 miles. Oh, and don't forget about replacing the batteries at 100,000 miles. |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
"BAR" wrote in message ... Chuck do the math. Compare the cost of a hybrid vs. a non-hybrid over 150,000 miles. Oh, and don't forget about replacing the batteries at 100,000 miles. Good grief..... It's not about cost. It's about being green. Eisboch |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Oct 22, 2:30?pm, " JimH" ask wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message ups.com... On Oct 22, 11:29?am, "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote: "Chuck Gould" Fuel economy is reputed to be about 25% better than gasoline-powered trucks with equal towing capacity. mmm hmmmm. db My personal experience with the 400H indicates that hybrid technology can indeed improve gas mileage. Our 400H dramatically outperforms the standard V6 equivalent (especially in acceleration), and with the trip computer on for a variety of in town and highway driving last weekend we realized a genuine 28.2 mpg. EPA fantasies aside, I think we would have been lucky to get much more than about 20-22 mpg with the slower, orthodox V6. I'm not sure that the ECVT transmission is heavy duty enough for extremely large loads, but for small trailer boats under 5-6,000 pounds the hybrid might be a workable alternative. It would at least bear looking into. Everything I have read says the average driver will never recoup the extra money spend on a hybrid in gasoline savings. It looks like your Lexus hybrid cost you about $5,000 more than the comparable non hybrid Lexus. That works out to 1,667 gallons of gas @ $3/gallon just to break even. Who knows how it pans out for the person doing a lot of towing.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Some decisions aren't made for entirely financial reasons. We chose the car we did because performance was much improved over the standard V6 model *and* it's nice once in a while to make a decision that shows a little bit of mercy on the environment. If we wanted to make a How much of the environment was saved in producing the batteries? totally smart financial decision, we would have purchased a brand new, tiny, Sally Rand Toyonda, kept it for 15 years, and driven it 200-300k miles Those low end toyhonsuns are just getting broken in at 200,000 miles. As far as saving 1667 gallons of gas goes- it's actually a little less because gas out here is running about $3.30 a gallon and (like everywhere else) seems to be headed up again. From a performance perspective, we would have to compare fuel consumption with a V8, not the V6, and saving 1667 gallons isn't out of the question. How much does the battery replacement cost, which is reccomended at 100,000 miles? Kinda puts a damper in the resale value. I think it's interesting that GM is introducing similar technology on vehicles suitable for light duty towing. What is the benefit if you do full time light duty towing? |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
On Oct 22, 3:33?pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... Some decisions aren't made for entirely financial reasons. We chose the car we did because performance was much improved over the standard V6 model *and* it's nice once in a while to make a decision that shows a little bit of mercy on the environment. If we wanted to make a totally smart financial decision, we would have purchased a brand new, tiny, Sally Rand Toyonda, kept it for 15 years, and driven it 200-300k miles I think it's interesting that GM is introducing similar technology on vehicles suitable for light duty towing. Electric motors by virtue of their design have tremendous torque ... much more than a gas or diesel engine of the same horsepower. Diesel/Electric is the answer, my friend! Eisboch The exceptional torque of those electric motors, in conjunction with the normal "oomph" of the V6, is what produces the excellent acceleration in my wife's hybrid. People look at me like I'm crazy, and pretty frequenty- but no more often than when I compare the acceleration of the hybrid to that of a medium size V8. You have to drive one to appreciate the difference. |
GM introducing hybrid pickups,, 6000 lb tow capacity
On Oct 22, 4:56?pm, BAR wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote: On Oct 22, 2:30?pm, " JimH" ask wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message roups.com... On Oct 22, 11:29?am, "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote: "Chuck Gould" Fuel economy is reputed to be about 25% better than gasoline-powered trucks with equal towing capacity. mmm hmmmm. db My personal experience with the 400H indicates that hybrid technology can indeed improve gas mileage. Our 400H dramatically outperforms the standard V6 equivalent (especially in acceleration), and with the trip computer on for a variety of in town and highway driving last weekend we realized a genuine 28.2 mpg. EPA fantasies aside, I think we would have been lucky to get much more than about 20-22 mpg with the slower, orthodox V6. I'm not sure that the ECVT transmission is heavy duty enough for extremely large loads, but for small trailer boats under 5-6,000 pounds the hybrid might be a workable alternative. It would at least bear looking into. Everything I have read says the average driver will never recoup the extra money spend on a hybrid in gasoline savings. It looks like your Lexus hybrid cost you about $5,000 more than the comparable non hybrid Lexus. That works out to 1,667 gallons of gas @ $3/gallon just to break even. Who knows how it pans out for the person doing a lot of towing.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Some decisions aren't made for entirely financial reasons. We chose the car we did because performance was much improved over the standard V6 model *and* it's nice once in a while to make a decision that shows a little bit of mercy on the environment. If we wanted to make a How much of the environment was saved in producing the batteries? Most batteries are highly recyclable. Can't say for sure if that's true about batteries used in hybrid vehicles, but if it isn't at present it may be soon enough. I can say that the majority of battery companies use recycled components rather than "virgin" materials in their cells. The recycling technology won't appear if there is no market demand. totally smart financial decision, we would have purchased a brand new, tiny, Sally Rand Toyonda, kept it for 15 years, and driven it 200-300k miles Those low end toyhonsuns are just getting broken in at 200,000 miles. As far as saving 1667 gallons of gas goes- it's actually a little less because gas out here is running about $3.30 a gallon and (like everywhere else) seems to be headed up again. From a performance perspective, we would have to compare fuel consumption with a V8, not the V6, and saving 1667 gallons isn't out of the question. How much does the battery replacement cost, which is reccomended at 100,000 miles? Kinda puts a damper in the resale value. When there are a number of hybrid vehicles requiring battery replacement, it would seem likely that some after market companies will appear and drive prices down. All new technologies start of pretty expensive, and then as r&d is amortized and more competitors emerge prices get lower and lower. Compare what $1000 buys today in a desktop computer to what $4000 bought just a half dozen years ago, for example. It would take my wife about 11 years to drive 100,000 miles. At that point, resale value isn't going to be much in any case. We'll probably trade out somewhere near the 3-year point. We put a chunk of cash down on a one-payment lease that comes due about then....but we make no monthly payments in the interim and because we have the option to turn the vehicle in to clear the residual balance we know that our maximum exposure to depreciation (normally the biggest cost associated with buying a new vehicle) is reflected in our initial payment -and that averages out to a very reasonable depreciation per month. Unike most people getting into a new car, I know down to the dollar just exactly what the difference in the original cost and my "resale" (residual/ surrender) value will be if I decide to trade on X date in the future. In the unlikely event the car is worth more than the residual balance we can sell it and pocket the difference- and if it proves to be worth less than the residual balance that's a business risk that the leasing company agreed to accept and not our loss. I think it's interesting that GM is introducing similar technology on vehicles suitable for light duty towing. What is the benefit if you do full time light duty towing?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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