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JimH wrote:
wrote in message
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On Oct 11, 1:41 pm, Chuck Gould wrote:
On Oct 11, 10:13?am, "JimH" ask wrote:





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On Oct 11, 12:37 pm, Chuck Gould wrote:
On Oct 11, 8:45?am, wrote:
On Oct 11, 11:39 am, Chuck Gould
wrote:
I'm sure that if there were enough people in the US willing to
sleep
in cardboard boxes along side the road, eat 600 calories a day,
die
of
simple diseases before age 45 and therefore able to work for
that
same
$50-$100 a week the industries that have been "driven away"
would
come
back in a heartbeat.
Am I the only one who remembers Clinton saying he did not care if
we
were all making potato chips for minimum wage, as long as we were
all
working? If we continue to elect communist/socialist to our govt.
we
will be there soon enough...
I'm missing something.
A quick mental review of the executive and legistlative branches of
the FEDGOV fails to identify anybody in office who is a communist or
socialist. The Executive branch is entirely Republican, and has been
for
almost seven years. The Legislative branch is a mixture of Democrats
and Republicans, with the Democrats currently holding a slim
majority
(after about 15 years of a Republican majority there).
As for Clinton's comment, you may be right. Members of the other
party, (in charge of stealing for the other special interest groups)
might have said, "Why the heck should the government dictate how
many
dollars per hour (minimum wage) we ought to pay the people working
in
our potato chip plants?" :-)
But here's an odd question:
Why does anybody give a darn?
Politics will bleed you dry, and leave your discarded body along the
road without even a "thank you very much".
None of us really make a difference, it's just a farce.
We would do better to concentrate on the simple pleasures in life,
(like boating). We are so manipulated these days by people with one
agenda or another- whether it's on talk radio, the internet, TV,
newspaper, or whatever. At least with a boat you can control your
immediate environment. You will be safe or in peril depending to a
large degree on how well you prepared before setting out, and
sometimes you will be called upon to employ skills that will make an
important difference. That's what life ought to be about, not simply
and dutifully repeating the latest "talking point" from PBS, Al
Gore,
moveon.org, Rush Limbaugh, or Sean Hannity. The American public can
be
such sheep, it's really embarrassing.
Exactly, Busheep talking points. Ever hear Horseface Colter and that
simp Sean Hannity together? Ever third word is either "Socialist" or
"Communist".
Hmmmm. Now what is that old saying again? Oh yes........If it looks
like a
duck................- Hide quoted text -
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It goes, "If you think it looks like a duck, better be sure you know
what a duck actually looks like. Otherwise, you might be a quack."

Exhibit A: http://www.themilitant.com/index.shtml (the duck)

Speaking of ducks- do they winter over on your section of Lake Erie or
does it get so cold that they all migrate elsewhere? We have some
ducks that spend the entire winter in this area, but others varieties
seem to fly through on their way north or south in the spring and
fall.

I often marvel at how unpertubed our local ducks can be when a boat is
approaching. They seem to swim or dive non-chalantly out of the way,
regardless of the vessel's speed. I've never seen a duck, seagull, or
any other bird get clobbered on the water.- Hide quoted text -

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So, you don't think Hillary, Pelosi, are socialists?

I believe Chuck call them (and himself) "progressives" in order to avoid the
label of socialist. ;-)




Neither Clinton nor Pelosi are socialists. I have no idea what Chuck is,
politically.

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Exactly, Busheep talking points. Ever hear Horseface Colter and that
simp Sean Hannity together? Ever third word is either "Socialist" or
"Communist".


Good to see you're out of the hospital Kevin.
Why the change from the famous "basskisser" ID?

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JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
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So, you don't think Hillary, Pelosi, are socialists?
I believe Chuck calls them (and himself) "progressives" in order to avoid
the label of socialist. ;-)

Neither Clinton nor Pelosi are socialists. I have no idea what Chuck is,
politically.

http://tinyurl.com/2oks7w




You might want to read a few neutral discourses on socialism and then
explain how Clinton or Pelosi are socialists. Richard Nixon was more of
a socialist than either Clinton or Pelosi will ever be.

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On Oct 11, 8:46?am, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:26:49 -0400, HK wrote:
US eyes boom in nuclear reactors
By Laura Smith-Spark
BBC News, Washington

Almost three decades have passed since the last application was filed to
build a new nuclear reactor in the US. Now, up to 30 are expected in the
next three years.

About time. The article doesn't mention that new technology greatly reduces
the amount of waste from the plants.

This is one case where the French have led the way. We've wasted too much
time not following their lead.

You've gotta admit that the Calvert plant has helped the fishing in the
area!

Especially at night. Aren't the fish easier to find when they glow in
the dark? :-)

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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:37:01 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Oct 11, 8:45?am, wrote:
On Oct 11, 11:39 am, Chuck Gould wrote:



I'm sure that if there were enough people in the US willing to sleep
in cardboard boxes along side the road, eat 600 calories a day, die of
simple diseases before age 45 and therefore able to work for that same
$50-$100 a week the industries that have been "driven away" would come
back in a heartbeat.

Am I the only one who remembers Clinton saying he did not care if we
were all making potato chips for minimum wage, as long as we were all
working? If we continue to elect communist/socialist to our govt. we
will be there soon enough...

I'm missing something.
A quick mental review of the executive and legistlative branches of
the FEDGOV fails to identify anybody in office who is a communist or
socialist.

~~ cough - cough ~~

"Bernard "Bernie" Sanders (born September 8, 1941) is the current
junior United States Senator from Vermont. Sanders was elected on
November 7, 2006, and is presently a member of the 110th United States
Congress. Before becoming Senator, Sanders represented Vermont's
at-large district in the United States House of Representatives for 15
years.

Sanders is a DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST, but because he does not belong to a
formal political party he appears as an independent on the ballot."

Sanders is the first self-described socialist to be elected to the
U.S. Senate."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6173577.stm

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/21/ma...=1&oref=slogin




The Executive branch is entirely Republican, and has been
for
almost seven years. The Legislative branch is a mixture of Democrats
and Republicans, with the Democrats currently holding a slim majority
(after about 15 years of a Republican majority there).

As for Clinton's comment, you may be right. Members of the other
party, (in charge of stealing for the other special interest groups)
might have said, "Why the heck should the government dictate how many
dollars per hour (minimum wage) we ought to pay the people working in
our potato chip plants?" :-)

But here's an odd question:

Why does anybody give a darn?

Politics will bleed you dry, and leave your discarded body along the
road without even a "thank you very much".

None of us really make a difference, it's just a farce.

We would do better to concentrate on the simple pleasures in life,
(like boating). We are so manipulated these days by people with one
agenda or another- whether it's on talk radio, the internet, TV,
newspaper, or whatever. At least with a boat you can control your
immediate environment. You will be safe or in peril depending to a
large degree on how well you prepared before setting out, and
sometimes you will be called upon to employ skills that will make an
important difference. That's what life ought to be about, not simply
and dutifully repeating the latest "talking point" from PBS, Al Gore,
moveon.org, Rush Limbaugh, or Sean Hannity. The American public can be
such sheep, it's really embarrassing.

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On Oct 11, 3:12 pm, wrote:
On Oct 11, 1:04 pm, wrote:





On Oct 11, 12:59 pm, wrote:

On Oct 11, 12:37 pm, Chuck Gould wrote:

On Oct 11, 8:45?am, wrote:

On Oct 11, 11:39 am, Chuck Gould wrote:

I'm sure that if there were enough people in the US willing to sleep
in cardboard boxes along side the road, eat 600 calories a day, die of
simple diseases before age 45 and therefore able to work for that same
$50-$100 a week the industries that have been "driven away" would come
back in a heartbeat.

Am I the only one who remembers Clinton saying he did not care if we
were all making potato chips for minimum wage, as long as we were all
working? If we continue to elect communist/socialist to our govt. we
will be there soon enough...

I'm missing something.
A quick mental review of the executive and legistlative branches of
the FEDGOV fails to identify anybody in office who is a communist or
socialist. The Executive branch is entirely Republican, and has been
for
almost seven years. The Legislative branch is a mixture of Democrats
and Republicans, with the Democrats currently holding a slim majority
(after about 15 years of a Republican majority there).

As for Clinton's comment, you may be right. Members of the other
party, (in charge of stealing for the other special interest groups)
might have said, "Why the heck should the government dictate how many
dollars per hour (minimum wage) we ought to pay the people working in
our potato chip plants?" :-)

But here's an odd question:

Why does anybody give a darn?

Politics will bleed you dry, and leave your discarded body along the
road without even a "thank you very much".

None of us really make a difference, it's just a farce.

We would do better to concentrate on the simple pleasures in life,
(like boating). We are so manipulated these days by people with one
agenda or another- whether it's on talk radio, the internet, TV,
newspaper, or whatever. At least with a boat you can control your
immediate environment. You will be safe or in peril depending to a
large degree on how well you prepared before setting out, and
sometimes you will be called upon to employ skills that will make an
important difference. That's what life ought to be about, not simply
and dutifully repeating the latest "talking point" from PBS, Al Gore,
moveon.org, Rush Limbaugh, or Sean Hannity. The American public can be
such sheep, it's really embarrassing.

Exactly, Busheep talking points. Ever hear Horseface Colter and that
simp Sean Hannity together? Ever third word is either "Socialist" or
"Communist".- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Another substancless name caller. Can you explain to me how the
redistribution of wealth programs Hillary is pandering with lately,
are not socialist?? Or, you could just call me some names;)- Hide quoted text -

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I can, and will as soon as you learn how to stop using those silly
Republican talking points and stupid Republican key words. You sound
just like Hannity. Ever have a thought of your own?- Hide quoted text -

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Why yes, yes I do. Ever pull your head out of your butt??

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On Oct 11, 2:53?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:37:01 -0700, Chuck Gould





wrote:
On Oct 11, 8:45?am, wrote:
On Oct 11, 11:39 am, Chuck Gould wrote:

I'm sure that if there were enough people in the US willing to sleep
in cardboard boxes along side the road, eat 600 calories a day, die of
simple diseases before age 45 and therefore able to work for that same
$50-$100 a week the industries that have been "driven away" would come
back in a heartbeat.

Am I the only one who remembers Clinton saying he did not care if we
were all making potato chips for minimum wage, as long as we were all
working? If we continue to elect communist/socialist to our govt. we
will be there soon enough...

I'm missing something.
A quick mental review of the executive and legistlative branches of
the FEDGOV fails to identify anybody in office who is a communist or
socialist.

~~ cough - cough ~~

"Bernard "Bernie" Sanders (born September 8, 1941) is the current
junior United States Senator from Vermont. Sanders was elected on
November 7, 2006, and is presently a member of the 110th United States
Congress. Before becoming Senator, Sanders represented Vermont's
at-large district in the United States House of Representatives for 15
years.

Sanders is a DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST, but because he does not belong to a
formal political party he appears as an independent on the ballot."

Sanders is the first self-described socialist to be elected to the
U.S. Senate."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6173577.stm

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/21/ma...html?_r=1&oref...

The Executive branch is entirely Republican, and has been



for
almost seven years. The Legislative branch is a mixture of Democrats
and Republicans, with the Democrats currently holding a slim majority
(after about 15 years of a Republican majority there).

As for Clinton's comment, you may be right. Members of the other
party, (in charge of stealing for the other special interest groups)
might have said, "Why the heck should the government dictate how many
dollars per hour (minimum wage) we ought to pay the people working in
our potato chip plants?" :-)

But here's an odd question:

Why does anybody give a darn?

Politics will bleed you dry, and leave your discarded body along the
road without even a "thank you very much".

None of us really make a difference, it's just a farce.

We would do better to concentrate on the simple pleasures in life,
(like boating). We are so manipulated these days by people with one
agenda or another- whether it's on talk radio, the internet, TV,
newspaper, or whatever. At least with a boat you can control your
immediate environment. You will be safe or in peril depending to a
large degree on how well you prepared before setting out, and
sometimes you will be called upon to employ skills that will make an
important difference. That's what life ought to be about, not simply
and dutifully repeating the latest "talking point" from PBS, Al Gore,
moveon.org, Rush Limbaugh, or Sean Hannity. The American public can be
such sheep, it's really embarrassing.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

An exception proves the rule. :-)

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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:18:18 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

An exception proves the rule. :-)

10-4. :)

People tend to forget about Vermont.

I wonder why? :)

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Oh, damn, I forgot. I should do nothing with my life except scan
rec.boats political rantings 24-7.


Well that is your MO, basskisser.

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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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On Oct 11, 7:44?am, wrote:
On Oct 11, 10:26 am, HK wrote:

especially since the jobs created will be union jobs.

Yeah, we need unions to do to the nuke industry what they have done to
the Grocery, Airline, Auto, Manufacturing, and so many other
industries who have been driven over the borders, and into
bankruptcy...

One batch of *******s steals for one group of special interests, and
the other batch of *******s steals for the other.

Industries haven't been "driven over the borders", they have moved to
where socialist economies, substandard "standards" of living, and very
little expectation of property ownership or wealth accumulation among
the working class provide unlimited numbers of people willing to work
for
$50-$100 US per week.

I'm sure that if there were enough people in the US willing to sleep
in cardboard boxes along side the road, eat 600 calories a day, die of
simple diseases before age 45 and therefore able to work for that same
$50-$100 a week the industries that have been "driven away" would come
back in a heartbeat.

But we can't simply blame the industrialists. (On topic, here..).
Certain products wouldn't even exist if they had to be built in the
US. Sure, when WalMart dictates to an appliance company that it will
only pay $6 for a waffle iron (but will buy a million of them a year)
a lot of companies are forced to move offshore to compete. That $6
wholesale allows Walmart to sell that waffle iron for $19.99 and come
out OK.
If Walmart would pay $10 for the same waffle iron, consumers might
have to pay $25, but there would be a waffle iron factory in Chicago
rather than in Shanghai..... but that's waffle irons, and not what I'm
referring to.

When it comes to boats it's not so simple. Even manufacturing in China
results in 7-figure price tages on 55-60 foot boats. Having $1-million
puts you somewhere near upper-middle class these days, (70,000
families in my home county are reputed to have $1 million or more in
net financial assets *excluding* equity in a home), but still there
are a limited number of people who have the means and will so
prioritize their spending to sink $1,2, or 3 million into a boat.
Manufacturing some of the larger yacts in the US, even in a "right to
work (for less)" environment would probably double the pricing on many
large yachts.

Case in point: Recently compared two very nice boats. One built in the
US selling for just under $900,000 and one bult in China selling for
just over $1mm. The US boat is a 42-footer, the boat built in China is
59 feet.



You should travel more. Lots of home ownership in those foreign countries.
May not be the 2000+ sq ft McMansions, but homes are owned. The people buy
food, cost is less than here, and may be different, but the hours worked per
loaf of bread may be very similar. Due to exorbitant contracts and over
spending by the Federal Government over the last 50 years (both parties) we
have priced ourselves out of a lot of the global markets. 25 years ago a
good white collar engineering job was in the $20-30k range. Due to big
inflation that same job is a $100-140k job. 5x or so increase. 25 years
ago, the US worker did not make 10-20x the wage of an overseas worker.
Maybe a 2x amount. We need to vote out almost all the leaders we now have
and make it more of a people run government. Now it is life time employment
with fantastic perks and full salary for life after about 2 terms. We are
being controlled by an elitest group who basically let us vote for a couple
of stooges running for office. Closest we got to breaking that cycle is
when Perot made a 3rd party run. Unfortunately, that has also given us a
couple of real Bozos as leaders and looks like the next POTUS will also be
either a Bozo or Bozette.