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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:48:22 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

WE WILL RULE THE WORLD!!!

Er...

Um...

Never mind. :)
I am positive if there was a problem with ETEC, we would have heard
about it in rec.boats.

So what do you guess is the market share on ETEC?

Don't know. Probably not high compared to Yamaha's. I do know that
Bombardier made an attempt to link engines and boats with their
Fishhawk line, but that lasted for only two years.

Yamaha's success has largely been due to their linkage with
manufacturers on exclusive deals. Customers aren't given any other
choice.

Hard to fight that.

I can say with relative authority, that on bass boats which you can
make a choice, ETECs tend to sell at about the same pace and once you
sell somebody an ETEC, it's instant conversion.

Other than that, can't say.


Not high compared to Yamaha? Not high compared to Mercury or Suzuki,
either, I would bet, not in the larger engine offerings. Hell, there may
be fewer eTecs out there than large Hondas of the same vintage.

There's a lot of residual bad will among boaters and dealers from the
demise of OMC, and the feeling the current owners of the Evinrude brand
name will dump it as soon as they can. Evinrude/Johnson/OMC was a
well-respected brand name until the corporations ruined it.

There are very, very few eTec dealers, and many of those are marginal.

Both Yamaha and Mercury have had long years of linkages with boat
manufacturers. Evinrude used to have these relationships, too. Suzuki
has been trying to build up its linkages, with some limited success.

I wouldn't touch an eTec with a 10-foot pole. I don't know anything
about eTec technology. I don't trust the company that owns the brand name.

That and the fact that eTec has virtually no market penetration around
here.

I'd buy a Merc or a Suzuki, though. Zukes have come a long way.

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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:34:33 -0400, HK
wrote:

How many times do you have to be told, Reggie?
Don't offer me advice and don't ask me questions.

Make that read "embarassing" questions.


No, Wayne, that isn't it. Sorry.

Harry,
I am sure many people would want to know what changed in 4 stroke
tech. vs 2 stroke tech. that made you change your mind? From what
I can tell, the ETEC is an improvement over the Optimax you had,
and 4 stroke is 4 stroke.


There were no changes in 4 v. 2 technology that made me change my mind.
Hope that helps.

So why did you change your mind?


About what, specifically?

At one time you stated there is no way you would ever buy a Yamaha 4
stroke, and that high tech 2 stroke was the only way to go. I think you
actually said you didn't believe Yamaha 4 stroke would ever make it in
the market place. What made you deciede to buy a Yamaha? I figured it
was because that is the only option you had for tht LTP




I don't recall ever making those statements about Yamahas.

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Demise of a TrawlerRV?
 

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:22:46 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:48:22 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

WE WILL RULE THE WORLD!!!

Er...

Um...

Never mind. :)
I am positive if there was a problem with ETEC, we would have heard
about it in rec.boats.

So what do you guess is the market share on ETEC?
Don't know. Probably not high compared to Yamaha's. I do know that
Bombardier made an attempt to link engines and boats with their
Fishhawk line, but that lasted for only two years.

Yamaha's success has largely been due to their linkage with
manufacturers on exclusive deals. Customers aren't given any other
choice.

Hard to fight that.

I can say with relative authority, that on bass boats which you can
make a choice, ETECs tend to sell at about the same pace and once you
sell somebody an ETEC, it's instant conversion.

Other than that, can't say.
The tie in with the mfg'er seems to limit ETEC as an option. I have the
feeling that is why Harry switched to Yamaha

Tri State sells Parkers and Grady's only with Yamahas.


I don't know about Gradys, but you can buy a Parker sans engine.

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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:57:14 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:22:46 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:48:22 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

WE WILL RULE THE WORLD!!!

Er...

Um...

Never mind. :)
I am positive if there was a problem with ETEC, we would have heard
about it in rec.boats.

So what do you guess is the market share on ETEC?
Don't know. Probably not high compared to Yamaha's. I do know that
Bombardier made an attempt to link engines and boats with their
Fishhawk line, but that lasted for only two years.

Yamaha's success has largely been due to their linkage with
manufacturers on exclusive deals. Customers aren't given any other
choice.

Hard to fight that.

I can say with relative authority, that on bass boats which you can
make a choice, ETECs tend to sell at about the same pace and once you
sell somebody an ETEC, it's instant conversion.

Other than that, can't say.
The tie in with the mfg'er seems to limit ETEC as an option. I have the
feeling that is why Harry switched to Yamaha

Tri State sells Parkers and Grady's only with Yamahas.


I don't know about Gradys, but you can buy a Parker sans engine.

No you can't.

And I have the emails to prove it.

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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:23:05 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:02:01 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:47:00 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:

Harry, do you know of any tests showing fuel consumption of the Yamaha 150?

Yamaha has pages and pages of "performance bulletins" on its engines, on
its website.
I guess I'm just plain stupid. I go to the site, click on performance
bulletins, select '4 stroke', 115hp and up, and then there are no
selections. This is the page I'm going to:

http://tinyurl.com/2atzwm

There's a flaw in the way the page works. Select "ALL" three times until
you get to the Boat Manufacturer's Name, then select the name you want.
It'll pull up all the boats of that line that were tested, and you can
see the results for the various matchups between engines and boats. At
least it works that way for me.

Drove me more nuts until I figured it out. Don't ask me why it works
that way. But it does.

Holy ****! http://tinyurl.com/yv5fo5

I've tried several times, but couldn't get it to work. Thanks.


You still can't get it to work?

I should have said 'had tried'. Yes it works, there were a couple dozen
bulletins for Key West boats. Not an exact match, but close enough. Looks
like I should use about .5 gph trolling (3mph) and a little less than 5 gph
cruising (3500 rpm).

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:57:14 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:22:46 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:48:22 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

WE WILL RULE THE WORLD!!!

Er...

Um...

Never mind. :)
I am positive if there was a problem with ETEC, we would have heard
about it in rec.boats.

So what do you guess is the market share on ETEC?
Don't know. Probably not high compared to Yamaha's. I do know that
Bombardier made an attempt to link engines and boats with their
Fishhawk line, but that lasted for only two years.

Yamaha's success has largely been due to their linkage with
manufacturers on exclusive deals. Customers aren't given any other
choice.

Hard to fight that.

I can say with relative authority, that on bass boats which you can
make a choice, ETECs tend to sell at about the same pace and once you
sell somebody an ETEC, it's instant conversion.

Other than that, can't say.
The tie in with the mfg'er seems to limit ETEC as an option. I have the
feeling that is why Harry switched to Yamaha
Tri State sells Parkers and Grady's only with Yamahas.

I don't know about Gradys, but you can buy a Parker sans engine.

No you can't.

And I have the emails to prove it.


Whatever. I was told by Robin Parker at the time I bought my 25-footer
that the other 25-foot models, but not mine, were available sans engine.
It's possible the factory has changed its mind about that, and if you
are not getting that information from the factory, it is possible your
dealer simply doesn't know.

In fact, I have seen a photo of a new Parker with a non-Yamaha motor on
it. I might have even posted that photo here at one time.

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John H. wrote:

Would Tri State sell you a Parker sans engine and then put a Honda on it? I
think they started selling Hondas a couple years ago. They told me they
sold Parkers with Yamahas, but I didn't ask about the no engine scenario.


They've been selling Hondas for as long as I have been in the DC area.

I don't know whether the dealership will order a Parker sans engines.
Never asked. I know that Robin Parker told me once some years ago that I
could buy a Parker without engine or rigging. It only came up once and I
never pursued it.

Does your new boat come with the square electronic dash instruments?
They're optional, and up to the boat manufacturer.

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On Oct 10, 7:30 pm, "William Bruce" wrote:
Harry,
Is using profanity behaving like a gentleman?

"Once more, Reggie, don't offer me advice and don't ask me questions."

http://tinyurl.com/3dg

Krause, what makes you such an ass? Is it the way you were raised, or do
you have some organic brain deficit?

I think it must be a mental / emotional deficit. The illusions of
grandeur, the chronic lying, the sociopathic responses on this
newsgroup over the years, etc.

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John H. wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:22:03 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
Would Tri State sell you a Parker sans engine and then put a Honda on it? I
think they started selling Hondas a couple years ago. They told me they
sold Parkers with Yamahas, but I didn't ask about the no engine scenario.

They've been selling Hondas for as long as I have been in the DC area.

I don't know whether the dealership will order a Parker sans engines.
Never asked. I know that Robin Parker told me once some years ago that I
could buy a Parker without engine or rigging. It only came up once and I
never pursued it.

Does your new boat come with the square electronic dash instruments?
They're optional, and up to the boat manufacturer.

Yes, I'm getting the digital style.


Wait til you see the manual. :}

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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:22:46 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:48:22 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

WE WILL RULE THE WORLD!!!

Er...

Um...

Never mind. :)
I am positive if there was a problem with ETEC, we would have heard
about it in rec.boats.

So what do you guess is the market share on ETEC?

Don't know. Probably not high compared to Yamaha's. I do know that
Bombardier made an attempt to link engines and boats with their
Fishhawk line, but that lasted for only two years.

Yamaha's success has largely been due to their linkage with
manufacturers on exclusive deals. Customers aren't given any other
choice.

Hard to fight that.

I can say with relative authority, that on bass boats which you can
make a choice, ETECs tend to sell at about the same pace and once you
sell somebody an ETEC, it's instant conversion.

Other than that, can't say.

The tie in with the mfg'er seems to limit ETEC as an option. I have the
feeling that is why Harry switched to Yamaha

Tri State sells Parkers and Grady's only with Yamahas.

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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:57:14 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:22:46 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:48:22 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

WE WILL RULE THE WORLD!!!

Er...

Um...

Never mind. :)
I am positive if there was a problem with ETEC, we would have heard
about it in rec.boats.

So what do you guess is the market share on ETEC?
Don't know. Probably not high compared to Yamaha's. I do know that
Bombardier made an attempt to link engines and boats with their
Fishhawk line, but that lasted for only two years.

Yamaha's success has largely been due to their linkage with
manufacturers on exclusive deals. Customers aren't given any other
choice.

Hard to fight that.

I can say with relative authority, that on bass boats which you can
make a choice, ETECs tend to sell at about the same pace and once you
sell somebody an ETEC, it's instant conversion.

Other than that, can't say.
The tie in with the mfg'er seems to limit ETEC as an option. I have the
feeling that is why Harry switched to Yamaha

Tri State sells Parkers and Grady's only with Yamahas.


I don't know about Gradys, but you can buy a Parker sans engine.

Would Tri State sell you a Parker sans engine and then put a Honda on it? I
think they started selling Hondas a couple years ago. They told me they
sold Parkers with Yamahas, but I didn't ask about the no engine scenario.

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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:22:03 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:

Would Tri State sell you a Parker sans engine and then put a Honda on it? I
think they started selling Hondas a couple years ago. They told me they
sold Parkers with Yamahas, but I didn't ask about the no engine scenario.


They've been selling Hondas for as long as I have been in the DC area.

I don't know whether the dealership will order a Parker sans engines.
Never asked. I know that Robin Parker told me once some years ago that I
could buy a Parker without engine or rigging. It only came up once and I
never pursued it.

Does your new boat come with the square electronic dash instruments?
They're optional, and up to the boat manufacturer.

Yes, I'm getting the digital style.

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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:06:40 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:57:14 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:22:46 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:48:22 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

WE WILL RULE THE WORLD!!!

Er...

Um...

Never mind. :)
I am positive if there was a problem with ETEC, we would have heard
about it in rec.boats.

So what do you guess is the market share on ETEC?
Don't know. Probably not high compared to Yamaha's. I do know that
Bombardier made an attempt to link engines and boats with their
Fishhawk line, but that lasted for only two years.

Yamaha's success has largely been due to their linkage with
manufacturers on exclusive deals. Customers aren't given any other
choice.

Hard to fight that.

I can say with relative authority, that on bass boats which you can
make a choice, ETECs tend to sell at about the same pace and once you
sell somebody an ETEC, it's instant conversion.

Other than that, can't say.
The tie in with the mfg'er seems to limit ETEC as an option. I have the
feeling that is why Harry switched to Yamaha
Tri State sells Parkers and Grady's only with Yamahas.

I don't know about Gradys, but you can buy a Parker sans engine.

No you can't.

And I have the emails to prove it.


Whatever. I was told by Robin Parker at the time I bought my 25-footer
that the other 25-foot models, but not mine, were available sans engine.
It's possible the factory has changed its mind about that, and if you
are not getting that information from the factory, it is possible your
dealer simply doesn't know.

Would you like to see the emails from Robin Parker? We had a
discussion about the possible purchase of new Parker and Parker would
not, under any circumstances, sell a bare boat.

I can also send you the emails I received from a bunch of other
manufacturers who are tied into Yamaha.

In fact, I have seen a photo of a new Parker with a non-Yamaha motor on
it. I might have even posted that photo here at one time.

May have been a repower.

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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:25:38 -0700, camacdonaldiii
wrote:

Krause, what makes you such an ass? Is it the way you were raised, or do
you have some organic brain deficit?

I think it must be a mental / emotional deficit. The illusions of
grandeur, the chronic lying, the sociopathic responses on this
newsgroup over the years, etc.

I have reluctantly come to the same conclusions. Too bad for a person
obviously interested in boats and with some writing talent.

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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:43:18 -0400, HK wrote:

I like the idea of "running" on gasoline alone (no oil in the gas,
no oil tank), I like the car-like starting, I like the quietness, I like
the fact that I can run at low speeds a long time without having to blow
the cobwebs out, I like the lack of oil in the water.

Those are all positives, no question. It is also getting difficult to
buy 2 strokes in some size ranges. I went through that this year
trying to buy a new dinghy engine. We wanted a 20 horse with electric
start and there did not seem to be any option other than a 4 stroke.
The Honda BF20 that I ended up with is a nice engine but it is 50
pounds heavier than the 15 horse Merc it replaced, has a lot less low
end torque, and cost about twice as much. It took half the summer
testing different props, adjusting transom rake and adding a Doel-Fin
before it was performing up to expectations.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:06:40 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:57:14 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:22:46 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:48:22 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

WE WILL RULE THE WORLD!!!

Er...

Um...

Never mind. :)
I am positive if there was a problem with ETEC, we would have heard
about it in rec.boats.

So what do you guess is the market share on ETEC?
Don't know. Probably not high compared to Yamaha's. I do know that
Bombardier made an attempt to link engines and boats with their
Fishhawk line, but that lasted for only two years.

Yamaha's success has largely been due to their linkage with
manufacturers on exclusive deals. Customers aren't given any other
choice.

Hard to fight that.

I can say with relative authority, that on bass boats which you can
make a choice, ETECs tend to sell at about the same pace and once you
sell somebody an ETEC, it's instant conversion.

Other than that, can't say.
The tie in with the mfg'er seems to limit ETEC as an option. I have the
feeling that is why Harry switched to Yamaha
Tri State sells Parkers and Grady's only with Yamahas.
I don't know about Gradys, but you can buy a Parker sans engine.
No you can't.

And I have the emails to prove it.

Whatever. I was told by Robin Parker at the time I bought my 25-footer
that the other 25-foot models, but not mine, were available sans engine.
It's possible the factory has changed its mind about that, and if you
are not getting that information from the factory, it is possible your
dealer simply doesn't know.

Would you like to see the emails from Robin Parker? We had a
discussion about the possible purchase of new Parker and Parker would
not, under any circumstances, sell a bare boat.

I can also send you the emails I received from a bunch of other
manufacturers who are tied into Yamaha.

In fact, I have seen a photo of a new Parker with a non-Yamaha motor on
it. I might have even posted that photo here at one time.

May have been a repower.


As I stated, in 2003 it was possible. It may still be possible for some
models. I have no idea why you would want to put a substandard, narrowly
sold, low trade-in value eTec on a Parker.

And besides, why are you talking to Parker? You stepping up in boat
quality, too?

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"HK" wrote in message
. ..


As I stated, in 2003 it was possible. It may still be possible for some
models. I have no idea why you would want to put a substandard, narrowly
sold, low trade-in value eTec on a Parker.

And besides, why are you talking to Parker? You stepping up in boat
quality, too?


He didn't tell you?

Short Wave is thinking of starting a pump-out boat service.

Eisboch

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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:00:47 -0400, HK wrote:

Hey...I'm showing 16 knot winds out of the North and North
West...wouldn't those help you get on your way South and out of the Bay?
What are you waiting for?

We like the bay, and have been commissioned by certain unnamed parties
to capture some LTP fotos, preferably in a compromising situation.
Tomorrow looks good for that with northerly winds in the 20s again.
Would you like to meet in mid-bay somewhere for lunch? We can pass
you a sandwich, pickle, beer, essence of diesel and a barf bag all at
one reasonable rate.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:00:47 -0400, HK wrote:

Hey...I'm showing 16 knot winds out of the North and North
West...wouldn't those help you get on your way South and out of the Bay?
What are you waiting for?

We like the bay, and have been commissioned by certain unnamed parties
to capture some LTP fotos, preferably in a compromising situation.
Tomorrow looks good for that with northerly winds in the 20s again.
Would you like to meet in mid-bay somewhere for lunch? We can pass
you a sandwich, pickle, beer, essence of diesel and a barf bag all at
one reasonable rate.


Sorry, but I've already met my quota this year of meeting up with snarky
a**holes. Maybe next year, if you're around early.

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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:31:18 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
...


As I stated, in 2003 it was possible. It may still be possible for some
models. I have no idea why you would want to put a substandard, narrowly
sold, low trade-in value eTec on a Parker.

And besides, why are you talking to Parker? You stepping up in boat
quality, too?

He didn't tell you?

Short Wave is thinking of starting a pump-out boat service.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!

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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:31:46 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:00:47 -0400, HK wrote:

Hey...I'm showing 16 knot winds out of the North and North
West...wouldn't those help you get on your way South and out of the Bay?
What are you waiting for?

We like the bay, and have been commissioned by certain unnamed parties
to capture some LTP fotos, preferably in a compromising situation.
Tomorrow looks good for that with northerly winds in the 20s again.
Would you like to meet in mid-bay somewhere for lunch? We can pass
you a sandwich, pickle, beer, essence of diesel and a barf bag all at
one reasonable rate.

And if I was local, I would do it just to prove a point. :)

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:31:18 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
As I stated, in 2003 it was possible. It may still be possible for some
models. I have no idea why you would want to put a substandard, narrowly
sold, low trade-in value eTec on a Parker.

And besides, why are you talking to Parker? You stepping up in boat
quality, too?
He didn't tell you?

Short Wave is thinking of starting a pump-out boat service.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!


Then I can understand why he wants a solidly built, three piece boat
instead of that two piece thin candy shell you now have.

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"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:31:18 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
As I stated, in 2003 it was possible. It may still be possible for
some
models. I have no idea why you would want to put a substandard,
narrowly
sold, low trade-in value eTec on a Parker.

And besides, why are you talking to Parker? You stepping up in boat
quality, too?
He didn't tell you?

Short Wave is thinking of starting a pump-out boat service.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!


Then I can understand why he wants a solidly built, three piece boat
instead of that two piece thin candy shell you now have.

And it rinses deck so easily by throwing the engine in reverse and gunning
the throttle.

Eisboch :-)

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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:31:18 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
As I stated, in 2003 it was possible. It may still be possible for
some
models. I have no idea why you would want to put a substandard,
narrowly
sold, low trade-in value eTec on a Parker.

And besides, why are you talking to Parker? You stepping up in boat
quality, too?
He didn't tell you?

Short Wave is thinking of starting a pump-out boat service.
ROTFLMAO!!!!!

Then I can understand why he wants a solidly built, three piece boat
instead of that two piece thin candy shell you now have.

And it rinses deck so easily by throwing the engine in reverse and gunning
the throttle.

Eisboch :-)


I tried that...doesn't do much. You must be thinking of a low-sided,
low-transom, flat bottomed ranger.

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On Oct 11, 6:23 pm, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:06:40 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:57:14 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:22:46 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:48:22 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

WE WILL RULE THE WORLD!!!

Er...

Um...

Never mind. :)
I am positive if there was a problem with ETEC, we would have heard
about it in rec.boats.

So what do you guess is the market share on ETEC?
Don't know. Probably not high compared to Yamaha's. I do know that
Bombardier made an attempt to link engines and boats with their
Fishhawk line, but that lasted for only two years.

Yamaha's success has largely been due to their linkage with
manufacturers on exclusive deals. Customers aren't given any other
choice.

Hard to fight that.

I can say with relative authority, that on bass boats which you can
make a choice, ETECs tend to sell at about the same pace and once you
sell somebody an ETEC, it's instant conversion.

Other than that, can't say.
The tie in with the mfg'er seems to limit ETEC as an option. I have the
feeling that is why Harry switched to Yamaha
Tri State sells Parkers and Grady's only with Yamahas.
I don't know about Gradys, but you can buy a Parker sans engine.
No you can't.

And I have the emails to prove it.

Whatever. I was told by Robin Parker at the time I bought my 25-footer
that the other 25-foot models, but not mine, were available sans engine.
It's possible the factory has changed its mind about that, and if you
are not getting that information from the factory, it is possible your
dealer simply doesn't know.

Would you like to see the emails from Robin Parker? We had a
discussion about the possible purchase of new Parker and Parker would
not, under any circumstances, sell a bare boat.

I can also send you the emails I received from a bunch of other
manufacturers who are tied into Yamaha.

In fact, I have seen a photo of a new Parker with a non-Yamaha motor on
it. I might have even posted that photo here at one time.

May have been a repower.

As I stated, in 2003 it was possible. It may still be possible for some
models. I have no idea why you would want to put a substandard, narrowly
sold, low trade-in value eTec on a Parker.

And besides, why are you talking to Parker? You stepping up in boat
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Hopefully SW won't mind me noting that he was looking at a couple of
boats to donate to a charitable organization in the mid east coast.
However he wanted a slight customization that Parker would not even
consider. Sorry Tom, you are a generous guy, there, I said it;)

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HK wrote:


I have not kept pace with two stroke outboard technology since 2003, so
I have no idea what is going on with it now. The few new two strokes I
have seen running have not excited me to the point that I'd consider one
now. I like the idea of "running" on gasoline alone (no oil in the gas,
no oil tank), I like the car-like starting, I like the quietness, I like
the fact that I can run at low speeds a long time without having to blow
the cobwebs out, I like the lack of oil in the water.

These are all qualities of 4 stroke that would make me want to seriously
consider a 4 stroke if I was in the market for an OB. I could never
understand why you took such a firm stand against the 4 stroke in the
first place (see example below). Since 4 stroke technology hasn't really
changed, but ETEC is an improvement over Optimax and Ficht, I would have
expected you to be a big supporter of ETEC. Below was your feelings
about 4 stroke a few years ago, while you didn't mention it this post
one of your other big complaints about 4 stroke was the weight issue,
and the problems a few hundred pounds can have on the back of the
average size fishing boat. Since Yamaha 225 still weighs about 60 lbs
more I would think that would be a major consideration for you.





For all your trying, all you have demonstrated is that, when it comes to
approximately similar horsepower engines of 115 hp or higher, the two cycles
seem to put out more power, the two cycles out accelerate the four cycles,
the two cycles produce more WOT speed than the four cycles, the gasoline
burn (at least with the Optis) is about the same, the four cycles are
quieter at idle and in some cases at other speeds, and, of course, your
silly claim that somehow the four cycles are "more refined" than the two
cycle DFI's.


In other words, you have presented very little on which to base a choice.
Further, your personal experience with DFI engines seems to be somewhere
between zero and a little more than one.


As I stated, you've managed to convince yourself. You should be proud.

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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 22:49:24 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

We like the bay, and have been commissioned by certain unnamed parties
to capture some LTP fotos, preferably in a compromising situation.
Tomorrow looks good for that with northerly winds in the 20s again.
Would you like to meet in mid-bay somewhere for lunch? We can pass
you a sandwich, pickle, beer, essence of diesel and a barf bag all at
one reasonable rate.

And if I was local, I would do it just to prove a point. :)

But you're a real guy with a real boats...

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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:55:22 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

And it rinses deck so easily by throwing the engine in reverse and gunning
the throttle.

Is that when it turns over and dumps the contents?

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:25:38 -0700, camacdonaldiii
wrote:

Krause, what makes you such an ass? Is it the way you were raised, or
do
you have some organic brain deficit?

I think it must be a mental / emotional deficit. The illusions of
grandeur, the chronic lying, the sociopathic responses on this
newsgroup over the years, etc.

I have reluctantly come to the same conclusions. Too bad for a person
obviously interested in boats and with some writing talent.

I've read that it is hardest on the family of the mentally ill. The patient
will usually deny the illness. But then, I don't think Krause has much
family left who will claim or care for him.

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JimH wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 22:49:24 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

We like the bay, and have been commissioned by certain unnamed parties
to capture some LTP fotos, preferably in a compromising situation.
Tomorrow looks good for that with northerly winds in the 20s again.
Would you like to meet in mid-bay somewhere for lunch? We can pass
you a sandwich, pickle, beer, essence of diesel and a barf bag all at
one reasonable rate.
And if I was local, I would do it just to prove a point. :)
But you're a real guy with a real boats...

Almost the direct opposite of *our* Reggie. ;-)



JimH, if you need any help backing your boat into the slip, let me know.
I can give you a "secret" that will make it much easier, even for a
novice like yourself.

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William Bruce wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:25:38 -0700, camacdonaldiii
wrote:

Krause, what makes you such an ass? Is it the way you were raised, or
do
you have some organic brain deficit?
I think it must be a mental / emotional deficit. The illusions of
grandeur, the chronic lying, the sociopathic responses on this
newsgroup over the years, etc.
I have reluctantly come to the same conclusions. Too bad for a person
obviously interested in boats and with some writing talent.

I've read that it is hardest on the family of the mentally ill. The patient
will usually deny the illness. But then, I don't think Krause has much
family left who will claim or care for him.




Ahh, the a**holes of the world are uniting. Fun, fun, fun.

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"HK" wrote in message
...
William Bruce wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:25:38 -0700, camacdonaldiii
wrote:

Krause, what makes you such an ass? Is it the way you were raised, or
do
you have some organic brain deficit?
I think it must be a mental / emotional deficit. The illusions of
grandeur, the chronic lying, the sociopathic responses on this
newsgroup over the years, etc.
I have reluctantly come to the same conclusions. Too bad for a person
obviously interested in boats and with some writing talent.

I've read that it is hardest on the family of the mentally ill. The
patient will usually deny the illness. But then, I don't think Krause
has much family left who will claim or care for him.


Ahh, the a**holes of the world are uniting. Fun, fun, fun.

Well, well, well Harold. You told me I was in your -- what is it -- your
"bozo bin." But here you are responding directly to my post. Just one more
lie, eh?

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HK wrote:
John H. wrote:

Harry, do you know of any tests showing fuel consumption of the Yamaha
150?



Yamaha has pages and pages of "performance bulletins" on its engines, on
its website.

Yup. And my Big Mac looked exactly like the menu picture today.

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HK wrote:
William Bruce wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:25:38 -0700, camacdonaldiii
wrote:

Krause, what makes you such an ass? Is it the way you were raised,
or do
you have some organic brain deficit?
I think it must be a mental / emotional deficit. The illusions of
grandeur, the chronic lying, the sociopathic responses on this
newsgroup over the years, etc.
I have reluctantly come to the same conclusions. Too bad for a person
obviously interested in boats and with some writing talent.

I've read that it is hardest on the family of the mentally ill. The
patient will usually deny the illness. But then, I don't think Krause
has much family left who will claim or care for him.



Ahh, the a**holes of the world are uniting. Fun, fun, fun.

Things just aren't going *your* way lately Krause.