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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:15:21 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

Can't see enough of the superstructure to be definitive, but it looks
more like a motoryacht than a trawler to me. Obviously doesn't have a
proper boat deck and running from the lower helm (if even equipped) is
a low priority.

It was a motoryacht (HTMY).

We were running side by side with them while taking pictures of a
sinking LT Parker (actually it was just down by the stern), when we
started taking incoming enemy fire. I immediately activated the
electronic counter measures which were very effective. Unfortunately
the HTMY was not so equipped and suffered irreparable damage from
incoming flak.

The LTP sped off mumbling something about how we were burning all of
*his* oil.



--
Some people are like Slinkys . . . not really good for anything, but the
thought of pushing them down the stairs brings a smile to your face.
Snert

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:14:01 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Was the LTP waving a distress flag from an upward held paddle?

There were clearly signs of distress.

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Chuck Gould wrote:
On Oct 10, 9:57?am, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Oct 10, 8:02?am, HK wrote:
Off Solomons Island. Hope it's not the boat of anyone we know:
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2.../rvboat1-1.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2.../rvboat2-1.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...ng/rvboat3.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...ng/rvboat4.jpg
Occupants rescued.
Can't see enough of the superstructure to be definitive, but it looks
more like a motoryacht than a trawler to me. Obviously doesn't have a
proper boat deck and running from the lower helm (if even equipped) is
a low priority.
Seen one oversized barge, you've seen them all.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Your opinion has certainly "evolved" since the days when you proudly
proclaimed your ownership of a Hatteras in rec.boats. :-)


And, the 36' Zimmerman like Lobsta boat!

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HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Oct 10, 9:57?am, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Oct 10, 8:02?am, HK wrote:
Off Solomons Island. Hope it's not the boat of anyone we know:
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2.../rvboat1-1.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2.../rvboat2-1.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...ng/rvboat3.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...ng/rvboat4.jpg
Occupants rescued.
Can't see enough of the superstructure to be definitive, but it looks
more like a motoryacht than a trawler to me. Obviously doesn't have a
proper boat deck and running from the lower helm (if even equipped) is
a low priority.
Seen one oversized barge, you've seen them all.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Your opinion has certainly "evolved" since the days when you proudly
proclaimed your ownership of a Hatteras in rec.boats. :-)



Indeed, Chuck. After a four year war "for oil" that continues, $3+
prices at the pump, and the hard right working harder than ever to deny
the impact of global warming, it just seems "smarter" to downsize one's
energy consuming toys. I wouldn't mind seeing a substantial luxury tax
or energy surtax on oversized pleasure vehicles, luxury yachts, private
planes, et cetera.

Did you sell the 36' Zimmerman like Lobsta boat?

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HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

Chuck Gould wrote:
Your opinion has certainly "evolved" since the days when you proudly
proclaimed your ownership of a Hatteras in rec.boats. :-)


Indeed, Chuck. After a four year war "for oil" that continues, $3+
prices at the pump, and the hard right working harder than ever to
deny the impact of global warming, it just seems "smarter" to
downsize one's energy consuming toys. I wouldn't mind seeing a
substantial luxury tax or energy surtax on oversized pleasure
vehicles, luxury yachts, private planes, et cetera.


The surtax should be on the cost of the fuel in excess of X amount of
gallons used per month, not the item the fuel is used in.

Eisboch




No. Some people have to drive long distances to get to their jobs or in
connection with their jobs.

Why, shoudn't they be coerced into living within walking distance of
their work?

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BAR wrote:



No. Some people have to drive long distances to get to their jobs or
in connection with their jobs.

Why, shoudn't they be coerced into living within walking distance of
their work?

Harry believes the only fair tax are those that don't effect him. Since
he only owns a little low transom Parker, everyone who owns something
bigger should pay his (Harry's) portion of the tax. Since Harry lives
in the woods, he shouldn't have to pay for the gas he drives to get to
the city.

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:02:21 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:18:49 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Harry,
I recommend you put my in your bozo bin, you seem to be getting upset.
With your weight problems it is not good for your heart.

http://www.hotornot.com/r/?eid=AEHSRLS&key=VLV
JR
NOT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWcOvwcNGaA

You know, there is a photo of ReggieReTURDo extant, but it was taken a
few years ago:

http://tinyurl.com/3d9ady

Wasn't that the guy who cut that big hole in the transom of your
Parker? :)

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:57:56 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Some small tests I've run on Son of Yo Ho indicate about 3.5 mpg at 26
mph. At your boat's speeds, my mileage goes down. 10 miles an hour equals
about 2 mpg.

So what?

Score another one for ETEC. The slower I go, the less fuel I use.

WHOO HOO!!!

How big is Chuck's engine - that's pretty efficient.

Hmmm - come to think of it, Doug King has a Sundowner - I'll ask him
his fuel mileage next time I chat with him.

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:31:34 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:15:21 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

Can't see enough of the superstructure to be definitive, but it looks
more like a motoryacht than a trawler to me. Obviously doesn't have a
proper boat deck and running from the lower helm (if even equipped) is
a low priority.

It was a motoryacht (HTMY).

We were running side by side with them while taking pictures of a
sinking LT Parker (actually it was just down by the stern), when we
started taking incoming enemy fire. I immediately activated the
electronic counter measures which were very effective. Unfortunately
the HTMY was not so equipped and suffered irreparable damage from
incoming flak.

Did you use a tachyon particle beam through the deflector dish to
build a force field?

All the really cool people do that. :)

The LTP sped off mumbling something about how we were burning all of
*his* oil.

I've been reading about this new proposal for a "consumption tax" or
"fair tax" proposals - they are pretty much the same thing.

It's unbelievable.

Here's the kicker. Gas tax "revenue" is down in CT - for a couple of
reasons, one being it's cheaper in surrounding states so those of us
in border areas just take the ten minutes to save .30¢ a gallon and
two, gas useage is down - thus revenues are down.

So now, they are studying the possibility of a "mileage" tax - meaning
that there is going to be a tax on the number of miles you drive.

Or they claim they will have to raise the gasoline tax by .10¢.

Can't have decreasing "revenue" - no no no.

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:37:44 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:14:01 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Was the LTP waving a distress flag from an upward held paddle?

There were clearly signs of distress.

Was anybody hanging off the bow with a fishing pole in thier hands?

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:57:56 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Some small tests I've run on Son of Yo Ho indicate about 3.5 mpg at 26
mph. At your boat's speeds, my mileage goes down. 10 miles an hour equals
about 2 mpg.
So what?

Score another one for ETEC. The slower I go, the less fuel I use.

WHOO HOO!!!



You might wanna think that statement through.
At 3.8 mph, I burn about .65 gph, for almost 5 mpg, but I don't run at
that speed, even though that is more mpg than I get at cruise. I'm
talking practical running speeds here. At a 6 mph trolling speed, I get
about 4 mpg, which is a bit higher than my normail mpg at cruise, but
not very much. MPG drops for a while, but starts picking up again at 18
mph. 4000 rpm is really the sweet spot for my rig...3.5 mpg and 26 mph.

Do you have any metered results?

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:02:21 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:18:49 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Harry,
I recommend you put my in your bozo bin, you seem to be getting upset.
With your weight problems it is not good for your heart.

http://www.hotornot.com/r/?eid=AEHSRLS&key=VLV
JR
NOT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWcOvwcNGaA
You know, there is a photo of ReggieReTURDo extant, but it was taken a
few years ago:

http://tinyurl.com/3d9ady

Wasn't that the guy who cut that big hole in the transom of your
Parker? :)

He doesn't look THAT dumb.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:57:56 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Some small tests I've run on Son of Yo Ho indicate about 3.5 mpg at 26
mph. At your boat's speeds, my mileage goes down. 10 miles an hour equals
about 2 mpg.
So what?

Score another one for ETEC. The slower I go, the less fuel I use.

WHOO HOO!!!

How big is Chuck's engine - that's pretty efficient.

Hmmm - come to think of it, Doug King has a Sundowner - I'll ask him
his fuel mileage next time I chat with him.

SWS,
Have you seen any market share analysis between ETEC and 4 stroke?
I would assume that Ficht problems have hurt ETEC to some degree.

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:20:56 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


nice song


Nice beat, I think you can dance to it, but the lyrics seem weak.


http://www.amishrakefight.org/gfy/images/fword.mp3

LMf-ingAO!

I'm John, and my first wife was Shirley! That was hilarious. I'm wondering
why we don't just play that for kids in first grade. They'd never have to
learn another word, only inflection.

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:09:01 -0400, HK wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


Harry,
That was not polite, I am just trying to understand your position
on this issue. You can't say you don't like slow cruising, that
you really like to go fast so you can get to your destination
quickly, no matter what the fuel consumption is, and then chastise
someone else for using less fuel by cruising slowly.

So what kind of mpg and gph does your lobster boat get?





Once more, Reggie, don't offer me advice and don't ask me questions.
I allowed you more than a week to see if you could behave like a
gentlemen. Well, you couldn't. Drop dead. And please, no
rationalizations about how "innocent" your queries are.

http://tinyurl.com/3dg



I have been behaving like a gentlemen. You are the one who has been
calling me names, which I have ignored. Why did my question bother
you?



http://tinyurl.com/3dg

Harry,
Is using profanity behaving like a gentleman?



"Once more, Reggie, don't offer me advice and don't ask me questions."

http://tinyurl.com/3dg

Harry, do you know of any tests showing fuel consumption of the Yamaha 150?

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John H. wrote:

Harry, do you know of any tests showing fuel consumption of the Yamaha 150?



Yamaha has pages and pages of "performance bulletins" on its engines, on
its website.

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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:20:58 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:57:56 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Some small tests I've run on Son of Yo Ho indicate about 3.5 mpg at 26
mph. At your boat's speeds, my mileage goes down. 10 miles an hour equals
about 2 mpg.
So what?

Score another one for ETEC. The slower I go, the less fuel I use.

WHOO HOO!!!

How big is Chuck's engine - that's pretty efficient.

Hmmm - come to think of it, Doug King has a Sundowner - I'll ask him
his fuel mileage next time I chat with him.

SWS,
Have you seen any market share analysis between ETEC and 4 stroke?
I would assume that Ficht problems have hurt ETEC to some degree.

No doubt about it at all. You get the idiot "revamped FICHT" all the
time. And, in some ways, they are revamped FICHTS. On the other hand
with the advent of new materials science plus some very clever
adaptation of other engine technologies, Bombardier took ETEC to where
FICHT would have gone had it lived a little longer. You have to
remember, Bombardier marketing and engineering types aren't stupid -
they are a big time company and didn't walk into the FICHT debacle
blindly. They saw the potential of FICHT, bought the technology and
ran with it. The results were the clearly superior ETEC engines.

It's like the idiot who posted about having gone through three
powerheads on his 200 FICHT. Right - and I'm the freakin' tooth
fairy. The 200s were never a problem other than routine stuff you run
into on other types of engines. The "problem" was fairly well
confined to the 150/175 blocks and even then, it wasn't as
catastrophic as it's made out to be. Power heads failed - no doubt
about it, but the Coast Guard over reacted to the situation and made
it worse under pressure from Mercury and Yamaha - or so I have been
told from some engineers who were involved in the process.

Bombardier even went to extremes to make sure the 150/175 ETECs were
right before they released them into the product stream - they were
delayed for a while until they could be absoutely sure that the same
problems didn't develop in the ETEC line as happened in the FICHT
line.

True story. One of the guys at my old marina had two '99 200 FICHTS
on his 32 Hydra-Sport and when the recall was announced, panicked and
removed them replacing them with Merc 200 Optimax's.

Both engines failed within 15 hours of new - powerhead failures. And
he had over 700 hours on his FICHTS with no problems other than
routine maintenance.

Perception is hard to battle. Folks have bought into the whole four
stroke hype for two reasons - it's not a "mysterious" engine with
cutting edge technology (it's like having your car engine on the back
of your boat) and Yamaha dumped their product at low profit margins to
gain market share through what should be viewed as restraint of trade
policies with exclusive deals with manufacturers.

Four strokes have some advantages over two strokes - can't debate that
point. But pound-for-pound, dollar-for-dollar, ETEC two stroke
technology is clearly superior in all areas of performance and
eventually, they will prevail.

WE WILL RULE THE WORLD!!!

Er...

Um...

Never mind. :)

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

WE WILL RULE THE WORLD!!!

Er...

Um...

Never mind. :)

I am positive if there was a problem with ETEC, we would have heard
about it in rec.boats.

So what do you guess is the market share on ETEC?

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Perception is hard to battle. Folks have bought into the whole four
stroke hype for two reasons - it's not a "mysterious" engine with
cutting edge technology (it's like having your car engine on the back
of your boat) and Yamaha dumped their product at low profit margins to
gain market share through what should be viewed as restraint of trade
policies with exclusive deals with manufacturers.

Four strokes have some advantages over two strokes - can't debate that
point. But pound-for-pound, dollar-for-dollar, ETEC two stroke
technology is clearly superior in all areas of performance and
eventually, they will prevail.

WE WILL RULE THE WORLD!!!

Er...

Um...

Never mind. :)


Man, you need to cut back on that Kool-Aid!

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HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Perception is hard to battle. Folks have bought into the whole four
stroke hype for two reasons - it's not a "mysterious" engine with
cutting edge technology (it's like having your car engine on the back
of your boat) and Yamaha dumped their product at low profit margins to
gain market share through what should be viewed as restraint of trade
policies with exclusive deals with manufacturers.

Four strokes have some advantages over two strokes - can't debate that
point. But pound-for-pound, dollar-for-dollar, ETEC two stroke
technology is clearly superior in all areas of performance and
eventually, they will prevail.

WE WILL RULE THE WORLD!!!

Er...

Um...

Never mind. :)


Man, you need to cut back on that Kool-Aid!


Harry,
Didn't you have a Ficht or Mercury OptiMax? If I remember correctly you
didn't have any problems with the engine, and the only problem you were
aware of was solved by a software update. At that time, you and Tom
were singing the exact same song of the benefits of high tech 2 stroke,
vs. the negatives of the heavier, low torque Yamaha 4 stroke. You must
have posted 1000's of messages to Karen calling her an idiot, bitch and
ugly c_nt and you couldn't imagine why anyone would buy a 4 stroke.

What happened to change your mind?

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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Perception is hard to battle. Folks have bought into the whole four
stroke hype for two reasons - it's not a "mysterious" engine with
cutting edge technology (it's like having your car engine on the back
of your boat) and Yamaha dumped their product at low profit margins to
gain market share through what should be viewed as restraint of trade
policies with exclusive deals with manufacturers.

Four strokes have some advantages over two strokes - can't debate that
point. But pound-for-pound, dollar-for-dollar, ETEC two stroke
technology is clearly superior in all areas of performance and
eventually, they will prevail.

WE WILL RULE THE WORLD!!!

Er...

Um...

Never mind. :)


Man, you need to cut back on that Kool-Aid!


Harry,
Didn't you have a Ficht or Mercury OptiMax? If I remember correctly you
didn't have any problems with the engine, and the only problem you were
aware of was solved by a software update. At that time, you and Tom
were singing the exact same song of the benefits of high tech 2 stroke,
vs. the negatives of the heavier, low torque Yamaha 4 stroke. You must
have posted 1000's of messages to Karen calling her an idiot, bitch and
ugly c_nt and you couldn't imagine why anyone would buy a 4 stroke.

What happened to change your mind?


How many times do you have to be told, Reggie?
Don't offer me advice and don't ask me questions.

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HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Perception is hard to battle. Folks have bought into the whole four
stroke hype for two reasons - it's not a "mysterious" engine with
cutting edge technology (it's like having your car engine on the back
of your boat) and Yamaha dumped their product at low profit margins to
gain market share through what should be viewed as restraint of trade
policies with exclusive deals with manufacturers.

Four strokes have some advantages over two strokes - can't debate that
point. But pound-for-pound, dollar-for-dollar, ETEC two stroke
technology is clearly superior in all areas of performance and
eventually, they will prevail.

WE WILL RULE THE WORLD!!!

Er...

Um...

Never mind. :)


Man, you need to cut back on that Kool-Aid!


Harry,
Didn't you have a Ficht or Mercury OptiMax? If I remember correctly
you didn't have any problems with the engine, and the only problem you
were aware of was solved by a software update. At that time, you and
Tom were singing the exact same song of the benefits of high tech 2
stroke, vs. the negatives of the heavier, low torque Yamaha 4 stroke.
You must have posted 1000's of messages to Karen calling her an idiot,
bitch and ugly c_nt and you couldn't imagine why anyone would buy a 4
stroke.

What happened to change your mind?


How many times do you have to be told, Reggie?
Don't offer me advice and don't ask me questions.

So what happened to change your mind?

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John H. wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:47:00 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:

Harry, do you know of any tests showing fuel consumption of the Yamaha 150?


Yamaha has pages and pages of "performance bulletins" on its engines, on
its website.

I guess I'm just plain stupid. I go to the site, click on performance
bulletins, select '4 stroke', 115hp and up, and then there are no
selections. This is the page I'm going to:

http://tinyurl.com/2atzwm


There's a flaw in the way the page works. Select "ALL" three times until
you get to the Boat Manufacturer's Name, then select the name you want.
It'll pull up all the boats of that line that were tested, and you can
see the results for the various matchups between engines and boats. At
least it works that way for me.

Drove me more nuts until I figured it out. Don't ask me why it works
that way. But it does.

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John H. wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:02:01 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:47:00 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:

Harry, do you know of any tests showing fuel consumption of the Yamaha 150?

Yamaha has pages and pages of "performance bulletins" on its engines, on
its website.
I guess I'm just plain stupid. I go to the site, click on performance
bulletins, select '4 stroke', 115hp and up, and then there are no
selections. This is the page I'm going to:

http://tinyurl.com/2atzwm

There's a flaw in the way the page works. Select "ALL" three times until
you get to the Boat Manufacturer's Name, then select the name you want.
It'll pull up all the boats of that line that were tested, and you can
see the results for the various matchups between engines and boats. At
least it works that way for me.

Drove me more nuts until I figured it out. Don't ask me why it works
that way. But it does.

Holy ****! http://tinyurl.com/yv5fo5

I've tried several times, but couldn't get it to work. Thanks.


You still can't get it to work?

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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:47:00 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:

Harry, do you know of any tests showing fuel consumption of the Yamaha 150?



Yamaha has pages and pages of "performance bulletins" on its engines, on
its website.

I guess I'm just plain stupid. I go to the site, click on performance
bulletins, select '4 stroke', 115hp and up, and then there are no
selections. This is the page I'm going to:

http://tinyurl.com/2atzwm

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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:34:33 -0400, HK wrote:

How many times do you have to be told, Reggie?
Don't offer me advice and don't ask me questions.

Make that read "embarassing" questions.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:34:33 -0400, HK wrote:

How many times do you have to be told, Reggie?
Don't offer me advice and don't ask me questions.

Make that read "embarassing" questions.


No, Wayne, that isn't it. Sorry.

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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:10:16 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Did you use a tachyon particle beam through the deflector dish to
build a force field?

All the really cool people do that. :)

On old technology boats like ours we make extensive use of tin foil
and bovine fecal matter deflectors.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:10:16 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Did you use a tachyon particle beam through the deflector dish to
build a force field?

All the really cool people do that. :)

On old technology boats like ours we make extensive use of tin foil
and bovine fecal matter deflectors.


I'm glad you have yours deflector installed on the inside of your boat,
so you don't pollute our waters any more than they are.

Hey...I'm showing 16 knot winds out of the North and North
West...wouldn't those help you get on your way South and out of the Bay?
What are you waiting for?

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John H. wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:23:05 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:02:01 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:47:00 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:

Harry, do you know of any tests showing fuel consumption of the Yamaha 150?

Yamaha has pages and pages of "performance bulletins" on its engines, on
its website.
I guess I'm just plain stupid. I go to the site, click on performance
bulletins, select '4 stroke', 115hp and up, and then there are no
selections. This is the page I'm going to:

http://tinyurl.com/2atzwm
There's a flaw in the way the page works. Select "ALL" three times until
you get to the Boat Manufacturer's Name, then select the name you want.
It'll pull up all the boats of that line that were tested, and you can
see the results for the various matchups between engines and boats. At
least it works that way for me.

Drove me more nuts until I figured it out. Don't ask me why it works
that way. But it does.
Holy ****! http://tinyurl.com/yv5fo5

I've tried several times, but couldn't get it to work. Thanks.

You still can't get it to work?

I should have said 'had tried'. Yes it works, there were a couple dozen
bulletins for Key West boats. Not an exact match, but close enough. Looks
like I should use about .5 gph trolling (3mph) and a little less than 5 gph
cruising (3500 rpm).


That's where your boat's lower weight and less vee makes a difference.
My best cruise is 3900-4000 rpm at around 26 mph, and about 6 gph.

You are going to have to fiddle a bit with your slow troll speed, in
order to find the best compromise between speed and bow steer.

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HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:34:33 -0400, HK wrote:

How many times do you have to be told, Reggie?
Don't offer me advice and don't ask me questions.

Make that read "embarassing" questions.


No, Wayne, that isn't it. Sorry.

Harry,
I am sure many people would want to know what changed in 4 stroke tech.
vs 2 stroke tech. that made you change your mind? From what I can tell,
the ETEC is an improvement over the Optimax you had, and 4 stroke is 4
stroke.

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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:34:33 -0400, HK wrote:

How many times do you have to be told, Reggie?
Don't offer me advice and don't ask me questions.

Make that read "embarassing" questions.


No, Wayne, that isn't it. Sorry.

Harry,
I am sure many people would want to know what changed in 4 stroke tech.
vs 2 stroke tech. that made you change your mind? From what I can tell,
the ETEC is an improvement over the Optimax you had, and 4 stroke is 4
stroke.


There were no changes in 4 v. 2 technology that made me change my mind.
Hope that helps.

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HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:34:33 -0400, HK wrote:

How many times do you have to be told, Reggie?
Don't offer me advice and don't ask me questions.

Make that read "embarassing" questions.


No, Wayne, that isn't it. Sorry.

Harry,
I am sure many people would want to know what changed in 4 stroke
tech. vs 2 stroke tech. that made you change your mind? From what I
can tell, the ETEC is an improvement over the Optimax you had, and 4
stroke is 4 stroke.


There were no changes in 4 v. 2 technology that made me change my mind.
Hope that helps.

So why did you change your mind?

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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:02:01 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:47:00 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:

Harry, do you know of any tests showing fuel consumption of the Yamaha 150?


Yamaha has pages and pages of "performance bulletins" on its engines, on
its website.

I guess I'm just plain stupid. I go to the site, click on performance
bulletins, select '4 stroke', 115hp and up, and then there are no
selections. This is the page I'm going to:

http://tinyurl.com/2atzwm


There's a flaw in the way the page works. Select "ALL" three times until
you get to the Boat Manufacturer's Name, then select the name you want.
It'll pull up all the boats of that line that were tested, and you can
see the results for the various matchups between engines and boats. At
least it works that way for me.

Drove me more nuts until I figured it out. Don't ask me why it works
that way. But it does.

Holy ****! http://tinyurl.com/yv5fo5

I've tried several times, but couldn't get it to work. Thanks.

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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:48:22 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

WE WILL RULE THE WORLD!!!

Er...

Um...

Never mind. :)

I am positive if there was a problem with ETEC, we would have heard
about it in rec.boats.

So what do you guess is the market share on ETEC?

Don't know. Probably not high compared to Yamaha's. I do know that
Bombardier made an attempt to link engines and boats with their
Fishhawk line, but that lasted for only two years.

Yamaha's success has largely been due to their linkage with
manufacturers on exclusive deals. Customers aren't given any other
choice.

Hard to fight that.

I can say with relative authority, that on bass boats which you can
make a choice, ETECs tend to sell at about the same pace and once you
sell somebody an ETEC, it's instant conversion.

Other than that, can't say.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:48:22 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

WE WILL RULE THE WORLD!!!

Er...

Um...

Never mind. :)
I am positive if there was a problem with ETEC, we would have heard
about it in rec.boats.

So what do you guess is the market share on ETEC?

Don't know. Probably not high compared to Yamaha's. I do know that
Bombardier made an attempt to link engines and boats with their
Fishhawk line, but that lasted for only two years.

Yamaha's success has largely been due to their linkage with
manufacturers on exclusive deals. Customers aren't given any other
choice.

Hard to fight that.

I can say with relative authority, that on bass boats which you can
make a choice, ETECs tend to sell at about the same pace and once you
sell somebody an ETEC, it's instant conversion.

Other than that, can't say.

The tie in with the mfg'er seems to limit ETEC as an option. I have the
feeling that is why Harry switched to Yamaha

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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:53:18 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:10:16 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Did you use a tachyon particle beam through the deflector dish to
build a force field?

All the really cool people do that. :)

On old technology boats like ours we make extensive use of tin foil
and bovine fecal matter deflectors.

Ah - alrighty then...

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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:34:33 -0400, HK wrote:

How many times do you have to be told, Reggie?
Don't offer me advice and don't ask me questions.

Make that read "embarassing" questions.


No, Wayne, that isn't it. Sorry.

Harry,
I am sure many people would want to know what changed in 4 stroke
tech. vs 2 stroke tech. that made you change your mind? From what I
can tell, the ETEC is an improvement over the Optimax you had, and 4
stroke is 4 stroke.


There were no changes in 4 v. 2 technology that made me change my mind.
Hope that helps.

So why did you change your mind?


About what, specifically?

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HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:34:33 -0400, HK
wrote:

How many times do you have to be told, Reggie?
Don't offer me advice and don't ask me questions.

Make that read "embarassing" questions.


No, Wayne, that isn't it. Sorry.

Harry,
I am sure many people would want to know what changed in 4 stroke
tech. vs 2 stroke tech. that made you change your mind? From what I
can tell, the ETEC is an improvement over the Optimax you had, and 4
stroke is 4 stroke.


There were no changes in 4 v. 2 technology that made me change my mind.
Hope that helps.

So why did you change your mind?


About what, specifically?

At one time you stated there is no way you would ever buy a Yamaha 4
stroke, and that high tech 2 stroke was the only way to go. I think you
actually said you didn't believe Yamaha 4 stroke would ever make it in
the market place. What made you deciede to buy a Yamaha? I figured it
was because that is the only option you had for tht LTP

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On Oct 11, 11:26 am, HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:





HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:34:33 -0400, HK wrote:

How many times do you have to be told, Reggie?
Don't offer me advice and don't ask me questions.

Make that read "embarassing" questions.

No, Wayne, that isn't it. Sorry.

Harry,
I am sure many people would want to know what changed in 4 stroke
tech. vs 2 stroke tech. that made you change your mind? From what I
can tell, the ETEC is an improvement over the Optimax you had, and 4
stroke is 4 stroke.

There were no changes in 4 v. 2 technology that made me change my mind.
Hope that helps.

So why did you change your mind?

About what, specifically?- Hide quoted text -

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I don't really remember but I think he is suggesting that you used to
be against 4 strokes, now you swear by them. Personally I don't see a
problem with that as long as the 4 have "come around". Technology
advances, smart folks adjust. I remember an old tech teacher talking
about all the mechanics that refused to change over when cars went
from generators, to alternators. He noted however that most of them
had put windows in place of garage doors and made their living selling
milk, cigs, and bread;)