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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:45:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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What do you think should happen if:

- A 16 year old girl is raped and becomes pregnant
- Her parents are fully aware of the rape
- Her parents are dead set against her having an abortion


How many abortions are performed due to rape versus the number performed
following consenting sexual relations that results in an inconvenient
pregnancy?

Eisboch


I don't know. Why is a statistic important to a girl who doesn't want to
carry a baby that was conceived in an act of violence?


The 'morning after' pill seems designed for just such an eventuality. I
think it should be part of any post-rape treatment.

Good for you. Unfortunately, certain cults think that pill is as bad as
having an abortion a month or two later.

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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What do you think should happen if:

- A 16 year old girl is raped and becomes pregnant
- Her parents are fully aware of the rape
- Her parents are dead set against her having an abortion


How many abortions are performed due to rape versus the number
performed following consenting sexual relations that results in an
inconvenient pregnancy?

Eisboch


I don't know. Why is a statistic important to a girl who doesn't want
to carry a baby that was conceived in an act of violence?


I think it is a very important statistic because the most common
argument for across the board abortion rights is examples of rape or
violence. I don't know, but I suspect there are many more abortions
performed simply because a pregnancy is currently "inconvenient" than
those performed because of a rape.

Eisboch


Never vote based only on things you suspect.

If your daughter was raped and you started talking to her about
statistics, I wonder how she'd react.


See? The rape thing again.

Eisboch

It's important because there are cults which think they can dictate the
options available to a rape victim. You can't exclude inconvenient facts
from the discussion, unless you'd like to say it's over for now.

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:02:59 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

If Rudy prevails for the R's, much of the Christian right is ready to
defect. Should that happen, the next POTUS will be a D, not an R.
But who gives a darn which mob boss is in charge of the pimps and
thieves in the federal government, or even which mob is temporarily
king of the hill? One batch of *******s steals for one set of special
interests, and the other batch of *******s steals for another.

Larry? Is that you?

Certainly isn't worth getting all excited about, and definitely not
worthy of a fight between friends.

Friends? Didn't you just lecture me on the fact that you aren't
anybody's "friend" on Usenet - only an aquantaince and a dubious one
at that?

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:15:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:11:32 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Which stance did Romney take on reproductive rights?

I'm constantly amused by the phrase - "reproductive rights".

What exactly are "reproductive rights"?

Example: Deciding whether to continue a pregnancy after a woman's been
raped.

That's abortion rights.

I want to know what "reproductive rights" are.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:15:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:11:32 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Which stance did Romney take on reproductive rights?

I'm constantly amused by the phrase - "reproductive rights".

What exactly are "reproductive rights"?

Example: Deciding whether to continue a pregnancy after a woman's been
raped.

That's abortion rights.

I want to know what "reproductive rights" are.

Same thing.

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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If your daughter was raped and you started talking to her about
statistics, I wonder how she'd react.


See? The rape thing again.

Eisboch

It's important because there are cults which think they can dictate the
options available to a rape victim. You can't exclude inconvenient facts
from the discussion, unless you'd like to say it's over for now.


My point is that the majority of abortions, I believe, are performed not
because of a rape, but because a resulting pregnancy following voluntary sex
where no precautions were taken happens to be embarrassing or inconvenient.

Rape is a different issue and much more difficult to resolve in my mind,
although I'd probably go along with having abortion a legal option in it's
case or in the event of a problematic pregnancy whereby the mother's life
may be in danger.

But to give everyone via legalized abortion, (call it pro-choice or
whatever) a free pass because they didn't act responsibly is not right in my
mind.

Whatever happened to the fathers with shotguns?

Eisboch

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I, for one, am all for delaying the eventual slide of the USA to
socialism for as long as humanly possible.


I think most people would agree with that. But, it's hard to tell
without
definitions. What's your brief definition of socialized medicine, for
instance? Explain as if you needed to say it in a short sentence to
an
economics class.


No.

Eisboch


It's interesting how people who bitch about "socialism" are never EVER
willing to define an example. I know why. So do you.


I really don't think you have time for this, Doug.



You must be Doug's boss.

Eisboch


If I was his boss, he'd be unemployed by now.

I'm my boss. I'll be sure to complain to me later. Thanks for the reminder,
Clevis.

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:29:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


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On Oct 10, 10:49 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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The difference is much too subtle for you.


How you haven't seen this is beyond me. But, you probably wear safety
glasses when brushing your teeth, so anything's possible.-

You probably don't understand why this is odd.- Hide quoted text -




What is with the constant accusations that folks that don't agree with
you "don't understand' or "don't read" or "don't care"... Do you
understand the concept of a Democratic Republic?? Do you understand
that the country is bigger than your basement apartment and a stack of
playboy magazines? I think you are stuck in a teenage fantasy, go back
to Jon Stewart, he seems to think at your level... Intolerant, and
ignorant...

His technique of debate has been well studied. Those with *very* liberal
viewpoints often take on a pseudo-superior, "I am smart, you are dumb"
attitude when engaged in otherwise informative and meaningful discussion
with someone who does not agree with him. In other words, if you don't
agree, you are ill-informed or stupid or both.

If you read his comments, you'll see that it is a consistent approach to
debate.

Great call - that's Doug's modus operandi alright.

Without going any further, I will predict that in Doug's reply to you,
he will say something about being unable to read, or the lack of
reading or comprehension and make a snarky remark about the lack of
same.

Let's see if I'm right.

To quote the great Stan Lee - EXCELSISOR!!!

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:31:04 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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On Oct 10, 10:49 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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The difference is much too subtle for you.


How you haven't seen this is beyond me. But, you probably wear safety
glasses when brushing your teeth, so anything's possible.-

You probably don't understand why this is odd.- Hide quoted text -




What is with the constant accusations that folks that don't agree with
you "don't understand' or "don't read" or "don't care"... Do you
understand the concept of a Democratic Republic?? Do you understand
that the country is bigger than your basement apartment and a stack of
playboy magazines? I think you are stuck in a teenage fantasy, go back
to Jon Stewart, he seems to think at your level... Intolerant, and
ignorant...


His technique of debate has been well studied. Those with *very* liberal
viewpoints often take on a pseudo-superior, "I am smart, you are dumb"
attitude when engaged in otherwise informative and meaningful discussion
with someone who does not agree with him. In other words, if you don't
agree, you are ill-informed or stupid or both.

If you read his comments, you'll see that it is a consistent approach to
debate.


Eisboch


Perhaps you should read what he was responding to before passing judgement
this time, Eisboch.

Never mind. You won't.

~~ snerk ~~

Score one for me.

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:50:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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Perhaps you should read what he was responding to before passing judgement
this time, Eisboch.

Never mind. You won't.

I rest my case.

EXCELSISOR!!!

~~ snerk ~~

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:04:21 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:55:07 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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I, for one, am all for delaying the eventual slide of the USA to
socialism for as long as humanly possible.


I think most people would agree with that. But, it's hard to tell
without
definitions. What's your brief definition of socialized medicine, for
instance? Explain as if you needed to say it in a short sentence to an
economics class.


No.

Eisboch


It's interesting how people who bitch about "socialism" are never EVER
willing to define an example. I know why. So do you.


I really don't think you have time for this, Doug.

You must be Doug's boss.

ROTFL!!!

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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If your daughter was raped and you started talking to her about
statistics, I wonder how she'd react.


See? The rape thing again.

Eisboch

It's important because there are cults which think they can dictate the
options available to a rape victim. You can't exclude inconvenient facts
from the discussion, unless you'd like to say it's over for now.


My point is that the majority of abortions, I believe, are performed not
because of a rape, but because a resulting pregnancy following voluntary
sex where no precautions were taken happens to be embarrassing or
inconvenient.

That may be. I don't know. A call to Planned Parenthood would probably shed
some light on the question.



Rape is a different issue and much more difficult to resolve in my mind,
although I'd probably go along with having abortion a legal option in it's
case or in the event of a problematic pregnancy whereby the mother's life
may be in danger.

But now, we come back to another sticky subject: What if a 16 year old girl
is raped, becomes pregnant, and her parents raise hell because she wants an
abortion? Who should have the right to decide? The parents, or the girl?


Whatever happened to the fathers with shotguns?

You're talking to one, and I don't even have a daughter. I told my son "Your
girlfriends are, by default, my daughters. Don't start with me." He
understands.

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:45:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
m...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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What do you think should happen if:

- A 16 year old girl is raped and becomes pregnant
- Her parents are fully aware of the rape
- Her parents are dead set against her having an abortion

How many abortions are performed due to rape versus the number performed
following consenting sexual relations that results in an inconvenient
pregnancy?

I don't know. Why is a statistic important to a girl who doesn't want to
carry a baby that was conceived in an act of violence?

Why should the results of an act of violence make necessary another
act of violence?

Abortion is an act of violence.

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On Oct 10, 12:18?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:02:59 -0700, Chuck Gould

wrote:
If Rudy prevails for the R's, much of the Christian right is ready to
defect. Should that happen, the next POTUS will be a D, not an R.
But who gives a darn which mob boss is in charge of the pimps and
thieves in the federal government, or even which mob is temporarily
king of the hill? One batch of *******s steals for one set of special
interests, and the other batch of *******s steals for another.

Larry? Is that you?

Certainly isn't worth getting all excited about, and definitely not
worthy of a fight between friends.

Friends? Didn't you just lecture me on the fact that you aren't
anybody's "friend" on Usenet - only an aquantaince and a dubious one
at that?

Sorry that you perceived the expression of my opinion as a "lecture."
There is no fighting among friends in a forum like this, just
fighting.
Fighting among friends would occur in other venues where people are
actually acquainted with one another, and occurs frequently during
political campaigns.

In any event, there is nothing to be gained by arguing politics. One
side or the other will "win". Big deal. How does that old lyric go?
"Meet the new boss- same as the old boss"?

Most of what the right wing has to say about the Democratic Party has
some foundation in fact. Unfortunately, most of what the left wing has
to way about the Republican Party is also well founded. Choosing a
party and candidate to run the country is like deciding whether you'd
rather be executed in the electric chair or by hanging.


*Both* parties would do well to consider what a very wise man once
said:

"For as you judge, so will you be judged, and the measure with which
you measure will be measured out to you.

Why do you notice the splinter in your brother's eye, but do not
perceive the wooden beam in your own eye?

How can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove that splinter from
your eye,' while the wooden beam is in your eye?

You hypocrite, remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you
will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother's eye."

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:45:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
om...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...


What do you think should happen if:

- A 16 year old girl is raped and becomes pregnant
- Her parents are fully aware of the rape
- Her parents are dead set against her having an abortion

How many abortions are performed due to rape versus the number performed
following consenting sexual relations that results in an inconvenient
pregnancy?

I don't know. Why is a statistic important to a girl who doesn't want to
carry a baby that was conceived in an act of violence?

Why should the results of an act of violence make necessary another
act of violence?

Abortion is an act of violence.

The relative consequences are not up to society to decide. It's up to the
victim, who may not want to lie to her kid at some point in the future.

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:19:55 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:15:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:11:32 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Which stance did Romney take on reproductive rights?

I'm constantly amused by the phrase - "reproductive rights".

What exactly are "reproductive rights"?

Example: Deciding whether to continue a pregnancy after a woman's been
raped.

That's abortion rights.

I want to know what "reproductive rights" are.

Same thing.

No they are not the same thing.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:19:55 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:15:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
m...
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:11:32 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Which stance did Romney take on reproductive rights?

I'm constantly amused by the phrase - "reproductive rights".

What exactly are "reproductive rights"?

Example: Deciding whether to continue a pregnancy after a woman's been
raped.

That's abortion rights.

I want to know what "reproductive rights" are.

Same thing.

No they are not the same thing.

OK. We're done with this branch of the thread. Have a nice day.

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Chuck Gould wrote:
On Oct 10, 12:18?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:02:59 -0700, Chuck Gould

wrote:
If Rudy prevails for the R's, much of the Christian right is ready to
defect. Should that happen, the next POTUS will be a D, not an R.
But who gives a darn which mob boss is in charge of the pimps and
thieves in the federal government, or even which mob is temporarily
king of the hill? One batch of *******s steals for one set of special
interests, and the other batch of *******s steals for another.
Larry? Is that you?

Certainly isn't worth getting all excited about, and definitely not
worthy of a fight between friends.
Friends? Didn't you just lecture me on the fact that you aren't
anybody's "friend" on Usenet - only an aquantaince and a dubious one
at that?

Sorry that you perceived the expression of my opinion as a "lecture."
There is no fighting among friends in a forum like this, just
fighting.
Fighting among friends would occur in other venues where people are
actually acquainted with one another, and occurs frequently during
political campaigns.

In any event, there is nothing to be gained by arguing politics. One
side or the other will "win". Big deal. How does that old lyric go?
"Meet the new boss- same as the old boss"?

Most of what the right wing has to say about the Democratic Party has
some foundation in fact. Unfortunately, most of what the left wing has
to way about the Republican Party is also well founded. Choosing a
party and candidate to run the country is like deciding whether you'd
rather be executed in the electric chair or by hanging.


*Both* parties would do well to consider what a very wise man once
said:

"For as you judge, so will you be judged, and the measure with which
you measure will be measured out to you.

Why do you notice the splinter in your brother's eye, but do not
perceive the wooden beam in your own eye?

How can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove that splinter from
your eye,' while the wooden beam is in your eye?

You hypocrite, remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you
will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother's eye."








Gosh...to think I started this by merely commenting on the performance
of the participants, and not the content of their messages. Wow.

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"HK" wrote in message
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Chuck Gould wrote:
On Oct 10, 12:18?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:02:59 -0700, Chuck Gould

wrote:
If Rudy prevails for the R's, much of the Christian right is ready to
defect. Should that happen, the next POTUS will be a D, not an R.
But who gives a darn which mob boss is in charge of the pimps and
thieves in the federal government, or even which mob is temporarily
king of the hill? One batch of *******s steals for one set of special
interests, and the other batch of *******s steals for another.
Larry? Is that you?

Certainly isn't worth getting all excited about, and definitely not
worthy of a fight between friends.
Friends? Didn't you just lecture me on the fact that you aren't
anybody's "friend" on Usenet - only an aquantaince and a dubious one
at that?

Sorry that you perceived the expression of my opinion as a "lecture."
There is no fighting among friends in a forum like this, just
fighting.
Fighting among friends would occur in other venues where people are
actually acquainted with one another, and occurs frequently during
political campaigns.

In any event, there is nothing to be gained by arguing politics. One
side or the other will "win". Big deal. How does that old lyric go?
"Meet the new boss- same as the old boss"?

Most of what the right wing has to say about the Democratic Party has
some foundation in fact. Unfortunately, most of what the left wing has
to way about the Republican Party is also well founded. Choosing a
party and candidate to run the country is like deciding whether you'd
rather be executed in the electric chair or by hanging.


*Both* parties would do well to consider what a very wise man once
said:

"For as you judge, so will you be judged, and the measure with which
you measure will be measured out to you.

Why do you notice the splinter in your brother's eye, but do not
perceive the wooden beam in your own eye?

How can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove that splinter from
your eye,' while the wooden beam is in your eye?

You hypocrite, remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you
will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother's eye."








Gosh...to think I started this by merely commenting on the performance of
the participants, and not the content of their messages. Wow.

Hey...I tried to avoid the content, but sometimes, you just can't stop the
bluegills from biting.

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

Not at all. But, let's stick with a specific issue: "socialized medicine".
How do you define that?

I thought sticking with the specific issue, was judging the performers
of the Republican candidate debate.....

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:50:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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On Oct 10, 10:49 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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The difference is much too subtle for you.


How you haven't seen this is beyond me. But, you probably wear
safety
glasses when brushing your teeth, so anything's possible.-

You probably don't understand why this is odd.- Hide quoted text -




What is with the constant accusations that folks that don't agree with
you "don't understand' or "don't read" or "don't care"... Do you
understand the concept of a Democratic Republic?? Do you understand
that the country is bigger than your basement apartment and a stack of
playboy magazines? I think you are stuck in a teenage fantasy, go back
to Jon Stewart, he seems to think at your level... Intolerant, and
ignorant...


His technique of debate has been well studied. Those with *very* liberal
viewpoints often take on a pseudo-superior, "I am smart, you are dumb"
attitude when engaged in otherwise informative and meaningful discussion
with someone who does not agree with him. In other words, if you don't
agree, you are ill-informed or stupid or both.

If you read his comments, you'll see that it is a consistent approach to
debate.


Eisboch


Perhaps you should read what he was responding to before passing judgement
this time, Eisboch.

Never mind. You won't.


I rest my case.

Eisboch


ROTFL!

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

Not at all. But, let's stick with a specific issue: "socialized
medicine".
How do you define that?

I thought sticking with the specific issue, was judging the performers
of the Republican candidate debate.....


Yeah. It took a left turn off a cliff, as usual.

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:45:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
m...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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What do you think should happen if:

- A 16 year old girl is raped and becomes pregnant
- Her parents are fully aware of the rape
- Her parents are dead set against her having an abortion


How many abortions are performed due to rape versus the number performed
following consenting sexual relations that results in an inconvenient
pregnancy?

Eisboch


I don't know. Why is a statistic important to a girl who doesn't want to
carry a baby that was conceived in an act of violence?


The 'morning after' pill seems designed for just such an eventuality. I
think it should be part of any post-rape treatment.

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"John H." wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:05:41 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:45:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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What do you think should happen if:

- A 16 year old girl is raped and becomes pregnant
- Her parents are fully aware of the rape
- Her parents are dead set against her having an abortion


How many abortions are performed due to rape versus the number
performed
following consenting sexual relations that results in an inconvenient
pregnancy?

Eisboch


I don't know. Why is a statistic important to a girl who doesn't want to
carry a baby that was conceived in an act of violence?


The 'morning after' pill seems designed for just such an eventuality. I
think it should be part of any post-rape treatment.

Good for you. Unfortunately, certain cults think that pill is as bad as
having an abortion a month or two later.



In my scenario, there is no 'knowingly' killing a kid. That's how I can
resolve the issue.

John, that pill is pretty successful at doing its job, which is to kill a
fetus. And yet, you think it should be part of any post-rape treatment. How
do you resolve these apparently opposing concepts?

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:44:47 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:19:55 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:15:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
om...
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:11:32 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Which stance did Romney take on reproductive rights?

I'm constantly amused by the phrase - "reproductive rights".

What exactly are "reproductive rights"?

Example: Deciding whether to continue a pregnancy after a woman's been
raped.

That's abortion rights.

I want to know what "reproductive rights" are.

Same thing.

No they are not the same thing.

OK. We're done with this branch of the thread. Have a nice day.

What? I thought you were intellectually curious - give it a good
debate.

Here's the crux of the issue. The issue is abortion rights, not
reproductive rights.

My/mine and you/yours and everybody else here have "reproductive"
rights - meaning that we have the right to reproduce if we so choose
to do so.

"Reproductive rights" has no meaning in the context of abortion.

Changing the name from abortion rights to reproductive rights doesn't
make the subject more palatable except to idiot liberal do-gooders who
seem to think that they can reframe the argument and make people
swallow the pill if it's less offensive.

I would have thought you might have not swallowed that kind of kool
aid.

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:44:47 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:19:55 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:11:32 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Which stance did Romney take on reproductive rights?

I'm constantly amused by the phrase - "reproductive rights".

What exactly are "reproductive rights"?

Example: Deciding whether to continue a pregnancy after a woman's been
raped.

That's abortion rights.

I want to know what "reproductive rights" are.

Same thing.

No they are not the same thing.

OK. We're done with this branch of the thread. Have a nice day.

What? I thought you were intellectually curious - give it a good
debate.

Here's the crux of the issue. The issue is abortion rights, not
reproductive rights.

My/mine and you/yours and everybody else here have "reproductive"
rights - meaning that we have the right to reproduce if we so choose
to do so.

"Reproductive rights" has no meaning in the context of abortion.

Changing the name from abortion rights to reproductive rights doesn't
make the subject more palatable except to idiot liberal do-gooders who
seem to think that they can reframe the argument and make people
swallow the pill if it's less offensive.

I would have thought you might have not swallowed that kind of kool
aid.

I don't view the two terms as having vastly different "flavors", so to me,
they're interchangeable.

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:57:22 -0000, Tim wrote:


JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

Not at all. But, let's stick with a specific issue: "socialized medicine".
How do you define that?

I thought sticking with the specific issue, was judging the performers
of the Republican candidate debate.....

LMAO!

Right on!

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:52:37 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Oct 10, 12:18?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:02:59 -0700, Chuck Gould

wrote:
If Rudy prevails for the R's, much of the Christian right is ready to
defect. Should that happen, the next POTUS will be a D, not an R.
But who gives a darn which mob boss is in charge of the pimps and
thieves in the federal government, or even which mob is temporarily
king of the hill? One batch of *******s steals for one set of special
interests, and the other batch of *******s steals for another.
Larry? Is that you?

Certainly isn't worth getting all excited about, and definitely not
worthy of a fight between friends.
Friends? Didn't you just lecture me on the fact that you aren't
anybody's "friend" on Usenet - only an aquantaince and a dubious one
at that?

Sorry that you perceived the expression of my opinion as a "lecture."
There is no fighting among friends in a forum like this, just
fighting.
Fighting among friends would occur in other venues where people are
actually acquainted with one another, and occurs frequently during
political campaigns.

In any event, there is nothing to be gained by arguing politics. One
side or the other will "win". Big deal. How does that old lyric go?
"Meet the new boss- same as the old boss"?

Most of what the right wing has to say about the Democratic Party has
some foundation in fact. Unfortunately, most of what the left wing has
to way about the Republican Party is also well founded. Choosing a
party and candidate to run the country is like deciding whether you'd
rather be executed in the electric chair or by hanging.


*Both* parties would do well to consider what a very wise man once
said:

"For as you judge, so will you be judged, and the measure with which
you measure will be measured out to you.

Why do you notice the splinter in your brother's eye, but do not
perceive the wooden beam in your own eye?

How can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove that splinter from
your eye,' while the wooden beam is in your eye?

You hypocrite, remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you
will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother's eye."








Gosh...to think I started this by merely commenting on the performance of
the participants, and not the content of their messages. Wow.

Hey...I tried to avoid the content, but sometimes, you just can't stop the
bluegills from biting.


False. You immediately trolled for a political fight.

Truth doesn't hurt.

Yes, I said, "you".

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:05:41 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:45:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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What do you think should happen if:

- A 16 year old girl is raped and becomes pregnant
- Her parents are fully aware of the rape
- Her parents are dead set against her having an abortion


How many abortions are performed due to rape versus the number
performed
following consenting sexual relations that results in an inconvenient
pregnancy?

Eisboch


I don't know. Why is a statistic important to a girl who doesn't want
to
carry a baby that was conceived in an act of violence?


The 'morning after' pill seems designed for just such an eventuality. I
think it should be part of any post-rape treatment.

Good for you. Unfortunately, certain cults think that pill is as bad as
having an abortion a month or two later.



In my scenario, there is no 'knowingly' killing a kid. That's how I can
resolve the issue.

John, that pill is pretty successful at doing its job, which is to kill a
fetus. And yet, you think it should be part of any post-rape treatment.
How do you resolve these apparently opposing concepts?

Do you believe there is a "fetus" the morning after?

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:05:41 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:45:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
news:hMidneFBRJUzgZDanZ2dnUVZ_jSdnZ2d@giganews. com...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...


What do you think should happen if:

- A 16 year old girl is raped and becomes pregnant
- Her parents are fully aware of the rape
- Her parents are dead set against her having an abortion


How many abortions are performed due to rape versus the number performed
following consenting sexual relations that results in an inconvenient
pregnancy?

Eisboch


I don't know. Why is a statistic important to a girl who doesn't want to
carry a baby that was conceived in an act of violence?


The 'morning after' pill seems designed for just such an eventuality. I
think it should be part of any post-rape treatment.

Good for you. Unfortunately, certain cults think that pill is as bad as
having an abortion a month or two later.



In my scenario, there is no 'knowingly' killing a kid. That's how I can
resolve the issue.

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"D.Duck" wrote in message
...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:05:41 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
m...
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:45:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...


What do you think should happen if:

- A 16 year old girl is raped and becomes pregnant
- Her parents are fully aware of the rape
- Her parents are dead set against her having an abortion


How many abortions are performed due to rape versus the number
performed
following consenting sexual relations that results in an
inconvenient
pregnancy?

Eisboch


I don't know. Why is a statistic important to a girl who doesn't want
to
carry a baby that was conceived in an act of violence?


The 'morning after' pill seems designed for just such an eventuality.
I
think it should be part of any post-rape treatment.

Good for you. Unfortunately, certain cults think that pill is as bad as
having an abortion a month or two later.



In my scenario, there is no 'knowingly' killing a kid. That's how I can
resolve the issue.

John, that pill is pretty successful at doing its job, which is to kill a
fetus. And yet, you think it should be part of any post-rape treatment.
How do you resolve these apparently opposing concepts?

Do you believe there is a "fetus" the morning after?

No, but I *do* know that some women don't deal with the mess the very next
day, for various reasons, at least one of which someone here will pounce on
shortly, in a nauseatingly predictable fashion.

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"John H." wrote in message
...
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:09:57 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"D.Duck" wrote in message
om...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:05:41 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:45:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
news:hMidneFBRJUzgZDanZ2dnUVZ_jSdnZ2d@giga news.com...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...


What do you think should happen if:

- A 16 year old girl is raped and becomes pregnant
- Her parents are fully aware of the rape
- Her parents are dead set against her having an abortion


How many abortions are performed due to rape versus the number
performed
following consenting sexual relations that results in an
inconvenient
pregnancy?

Eisboch


I don't know. Why is a statistic important to a girl who doesn't
want
to
carry a baby that was conceived in an act of violence?


The 'morning after' pill seems designed for just such an
eventuality.
I
think it should be part of any post-rape treatment.

Good for you. Unfortunately, certain cults think that pill is as bad
as
having an abortion a month or two later.



In my scenario, there is no 'knowingly' killing a kid. That's how I
can
resolve the issue.

John, that pill is pretty successful at doing its job, which is to kill
a
fetus. And yet, you think it should be part of any post-rape treatment.
How do you resolve these apparently opposing concepts?

Do you believe there is a "fetus" the morning after?

No, but I *do* know that some women don't deal with the mess the very next
day, for various reasons, at least one of which someone here will pounce
on
shortly, in a nauseatingly predictable fashion.


Are these women who wait five or six months and *then* decide they were
raped?

Why do you find it necessary to make personal attacks with every post?

Because you pounced as expected, which is nauseating. Either you're doing it
intentionally to be annoying, or you're painfully stupid.

There are other reasons a woman might not get treatment for a few days. If
you're not aware of this....you know why.

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On Oct 10, 6:58 pm, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:24:07 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"





wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:09:57 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"D.Duck" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"John H." wrote in message
om...
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:05:41 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:45:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
news:hMidneFBRJUzgZDanZ2dnUVZ_jSdnZ2d@gig anews.com...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...

What do you think should happen if:

- A 16 year old girl is raped and becomes pregnant
- Her parents are fully aware of the rape
- Her parents are dead set against her having an abortion

How many abortions are performed due to rape versus the number
performed
following consenting sexual relations that results in an
inconvenient
pregnancy?

Eisboch

I don't know. Why is a statistic important to a girl who doesn't
want
to
carry a baby that was conceived in an act of violence?

The 'morning after' pill seems designed for just such an
eventuality.
I
think it should be part of any post-rape treatment.

Good for you. Unfortunately, certain cults think that pill is as bad
as
having an abortion a month or two later.

In my scenario, there is no 'knowingly' killing a kid. That's how I
can
resolve the issue.

John, that pill is pretty successful at doing its job, which is to kill
a
fetus. And yet, you think it should be part of any post-rape treatment.
How do you resolve these apparently opposing concepts?

Do you believe there is a "fetus" the morning after?

No, but I *do* know that some women don't deal with the mess the very next
day, for various reasons, at least one of which someone here will pounce
on
shortly, in a nauseatingly predictable fashion.

Are these women who wait five or six months and *then* decide they were
raped?

Why do you find it necessary to make personal attacks with every post?

Because you pounced as expected, which is nauseating. Either you're doing it
intentionally to be annoying, or you're painfully stupid.

There are other reasons a woman might not get treatment for a few days. If
you're not aware of this....you know why.

Now you're making your population *very* small. Maybe sex education in
school should tell females to get treatment as soon as possible after the
rape.

Sorry you consider a comment other than ' Dougie agreeable' so nauseating.
If you look at the comments from a bunch of folks in the group, your
comments aren't considered a 'source of enlightenment'!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Eisboch got it right earlier to day, just before Google shut me off
for too many posts, too quickly;) I would think though that with no
less than a dozen posters telling him he is full of ****, he would get
the message.

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:08:10 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:05:41 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:45:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
news:hMidneFBRJUzgZDanZ2dnUVZ_jSdnZ2d@giganew s.com...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...


What do you think should happen if:

- A 16 year old girl is raped and becomes pregnant
- Her parents are fully aware of the rape
- Her parents are dead set against her having an abortion


How many abortions are performed due to rape versus the number
performed
following consenting sexual relations that results in an inconvenient
pregnancy?

Eisboch


I don't know. Why is a statistic important to a girl who doesn't want to
carry a baby that was conceived in an act of violence?


The 'morning after' pill seems designed for just such an eventuality. I
think it should be part of any post-rape treatment.

Good for you. Unfortunately, certain cults think that pill is as bad as
having an abortion a month or two later.



In my scenario, there is no 'knowingly' killing a kid. That's how I can
resolve the issue.

John, that pill is pretty successful at doing its job, which is to kill a
fetus. And yet, you think it should be part of any post-rape treatment. How
do you resolve these apparently opposing concepts?


Read my last.

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:09:57 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"D.Duck" wrote in message
m...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:05:41 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
om...
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:45:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...


What do you think should happen if:

- A 16 year old girl is raped and becomes pregnant
- Her parents are fully aware of the rape
- Her parents are dead set against her having an abortion


How many abortions are performed due to rape versus the number
performed
following consenting sexual relations that results in an
inconvenient
pregnancy?

Eisboch


I don't know. Why is a statistic important to a girl who doesn't want
to
carry a baby that was conceived in an act of violence?


The 'morning after' pill seems designed for just such an eventuality.
I
think it should be part of any post-rape treatment.

Good for you. Unfortunately, certain cults think that pill is as bad as
having an abortion a month or two later.



In my scenario, there is no 'knowingly' killing a kid. That's how I can
resolve the issue.

John, that pill is pretty successful at doing its job, which is to kill a
fetus. And yet, you think it should be part of any post-rape treatment.
How do you resolve these apparently opposing concepts?

Do you believe there is a "fetus" the morning after?

No, but I *do* know that some women don't deal with the mess the very next
day, for various reasons, at least one of which someone here will pounce on
shortly, in a nauseatingly predictable fashion.


Are these women who wait five or six months and *then* decide they were
raped?

Why do you find it necessary to make personal attacks with every post?

Judging the performers...
 

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:24:07 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:09:57 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"D.Duck" wrote in message
news:BOidnbj71r8Mo5DanZ2dnUVZWhednZ2d@giganews. com...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:05:41 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:45:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
news:hMidneFBRJUzgZDanZ2dnUVZ_jSdnZ2d@gig anews.com...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...


What do you think should happen if:

- A 16 year old girl is raped and becomes pregnant
- Her parents are fully aware of the rape
- Her parents are dead set against her having an abortion


How many abortions are performed due to rape versus the number
performed
following consenting sexual relations that results in an
inconvenient
pregnancy?

Eisboch


I don't know. Why is a statistic important to a girl who doesn't
want
to
carry a baby that was conceived in an act of violence?


The 'morning after' pill seems designed for just such an
eventuality.
I
think it should be part of any post-rape treatment.

Good for you. Unfortunately, certain cults think that pill is as bad
as
having an abortion a month or two later.



In my scenario, there is no 'knowingly' killing a kid. That's how I
can
resolve the issue.

John, that pill is pretty successful at doing its job, which is to kill
a
fetus. And yet, you think it should be part of any post-rape treatment.
How do you resolve these apparently opposing concepts?

Do you believe there is a "fetus" the morning after?

No, but I *do* know that some women don't deal with the mess the very next
day, for various reasons, at least one of which someone here will pounce
on
shortly, in a nauseatingly predictable fashion.


Are these women who wait five or six months and *then* decide they were
raped?

Why do you find it necessary to make personal attacks with every post?

Because you pounced as expected, which is nauseating. Either you're doing it
intentionally to be annoying, or you're painfully stupid.

There are other reasons a woman might not get treatment for a few days. If
you're not aware of this....you know why.


Now you're making your population *very* small. Maybe sex education in
school should tell females to get treatment as soon as possible after the
rape.

Sorry you consider a comment other than ' Dougie agreeable' so nauseating.
If you look at the comments from a bunch of folks in the group, your
comments aren't considered a 'source of enlightenment'!

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:34:45 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

6. Admitted Yankees fan.



Number 5 (and 6) are bothersome for me.

I view #6 as a plus of course. It is doubtful that she knew anything
about the Yankees however before adopting NY as her home.

I have seen Hilary work from close up. She is very adept, shrewd and
does her homework very well. It's difficult to say what she really
believes in other than ambition.

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"D.Duck" wrote in message
...


John, that pill is pretty successful at doing its job, which is to kill a
fetus. And yet, you think it should be part of any post-rape treatment.
How do you resolve these apparently opposing concepts?

Do you believe there is a "fetus" the morning after?


To me, if there was conception, then indeed, there is a fetus.

Eisboch

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:34:45 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

6. Admitted Yankees fan.



Number 5 (and 6) are bothersome for me.

I view #6 as a plus of course. It is doubtful that she knew anything
about the Yankees however before adopting NY as her home.

I have seen Hilary work from close up. She is very adept, shrewd and
does her homework very well. It's difficult to say what she really
believes in other than ambition.

Ayup

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"D.Duck" wrote in message
...


John, that pill is pretty successful at doing its job, which is to kill
a fetus. And yet, you think it should be part of any post-rape
treatment. How do you resolve these apparently opposing concepts?

Do you believe there is a "fetus" the morning after?


To me, if there was conception, then indeed, there is a fetus.

Eisboch

I was going to carry on this discussion based on the medical definition that
a "fetus" emerges at about eight weeks after conception. Prior to being a
"fetus" it's technical name is embryo.

I believe that's a pretty fine line.

But why continue, this subject is a very personal matter and has to be
resolved by each person individually. Not a subject I like to get into a
****ing contest over like some of the entries in this group.