On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:57:14 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"D.Duck" wrote in message
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John, that pill is pretty successful at doing its job, which is to kill
a fetus. And yet, you think it should be part of any post-rape
treatment. How do you resolve these apparently opposing concepts?

Do you believe there is a "fetus" the morning after?


To me, if there was conception, then indeed, there is a fetus.

Eisboch

I was going to carry on this discussion based on the medical definition that
a "fetus" emerges at about eight weeks after conception. Prior to being a
"fetus" it's technical name is embryo.

I believe that's a pretty fine line.

But why continue, this subject is a very personal matter and has to be
resolved by each person individually. Not a subject I like to get into a
****ing contest over like some of the entries in this group.

Here's my view - one time only. It's pretty simple.

If we can describe single cell micobes as "life" in the generic sense,
it only logical to extend that definition of "life" to conception -
the conceived "life" is human because the results are a human being.
From a logic standpoint, it can't be any other way.

Essentially, if you get caught, expect conseguences of your actions -
take some responsibility for your actions - don't foist your inability
to properly protect yourself on the unborn human.

I reluctantly support choice in the case of rape, inceest or extreme
physical/mental disability - that's a personal decision and I can't
foist my opinion on anybody else in that matter.

However, abortion as a function of birth control? No.

And that's the end of this discussion. :)

On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 04:08:40 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:09:57 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:45:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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What do you think should happen if:

- A 16 year old girl is raped and becomes pregnant
- Her parents are fully aware of the rape
- Her parents are dead set against her having an abortion


How many abortions are performed due to rape versus the number
performed
following consenting sexual relations that results in an
inconvenient
pregnancy?

Eisboch


I don't know. Why is a statistic important to a girl who doesn't
want
to
carry a baby that was conceived in an act of violence?


The 'morning after' pill seems designed for just such an
eventuality.
I
think it should be part of any post-rape treatment.

Good for you. Unfortunately, certain cults think that pill is as bad
as
having an abortion a month or two later.



In my scenario, there is no 'knowingly' killing a kid. That's how I
can
resolve the issue.

John, that pill is pretty successful at doing its job, which is to
kill
a
fetus. And yet, you think it should be part of any post-rape
treatment.
How do you resolve these apparently opposing concepts?

Do you believe there is a "fetus" the morning after?

No, but I *do* know that some women don't deal with the mess the very
next
day, for various reasons, at least one of which someone here will pounce
on
shortly, in a nauseatingly predictable fashion.


Are these women who wait five or six months and *then* decide they were
raped?

Why do you find it necessary to make personal attacks with every post?

Because you pounced as expected, which is nauseating. Either you're doing
it
intentionally to be annoying, or you're painfully stupid.

There are other reasons a woman might not get treatment for a few days. If
you're not aware of this....you know why.


Now you're making your population *very* small. Maybe sex education in
school should tell females to get treatment as soon as possible after the
rape.

Considering that a girl could have a father like you, it's no surprise that
she might wait before dealing with the results of rape.


If either of my daughters had been raped, I would have supported their
taking the morning-after pill as soon as possible.

Perhaps you could explain the necessity of your derogatory comments? Have I
called you names, put down your fathering abilities, questioned your
manhood? Why do you find it necessary to make a personal attack in every
post?

On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:12:38 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:52:49 -0700, -rick- wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


"Reproductive rights" has no meaning in the context of abortion.

Does religious freedom include the right to be atheist?

Of course - it's just another belief system.

Which, when you think about it, is kind of ironic.

I don't understand something. We are born not believing in God (agnostic?).
An atheist then develops the belief that what he didn't believe in (in the
first place) definitely does *not* exist. And then the atheist works to
convince others that what he didn't believe existed and now believes
doesn't exist, doesn't exist and should be shunned.

Life is rough.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message

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And that's the end of this discussion. :)


Amen....

"John H." wrote in message
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There are other reasons a woman might not get treatment for a few days.
If
you're not aware of this....you know why.


Now you're making your population *very* small. Maybe sex education in
school should tell females to get treatment as soon as possible after
the
rape.

Considering that a girl could have a father like you, it's no surprise
that
she might wait before dealing with the results of rape.


If either of my daughters had been raped, I would have supported their
taking the morning-after pill as soon as possible.

Perhaps you could explain the necessity of your derogatory comments? Have
I
called you names, put down your fathering abilities, questioned your
manhood? Why do you find it necessary to make a personal attack in every
post?

Search for your last 100 messages and read them. That should answer your
question.

"John H." wrote in message
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:33:04 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"John H." wrote in message
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There are other reasons a woman might not get treatment for a few
days.
If
you're not aware of this....you know why.


Now you're making your population *very* small. Maybe sex education in
school should tell females to get treatment as soon as possible after
the
rape.

Considering that a girl could have a father like you, it's no surprise
that
she might wait before dealing with the results of rape.


If either of my daughters had been raped, I would have supported their
taking the morning-after pill as soon as possible.

Perhaps you could explain the necessity of your derogatory comments?
Have
I
called you names, put down your fathering abilities, questioned your
manhood? Why do you find it necessary to make a personal attack in every
post?

Search for your last 100 messages and read them. That should answer your
question.


I cannot find one instance wherein I've called you anything. I may have
found your arguments specious, your name-calling remarkable, and your
demeanor nauseating, but I've called you no names that I could find.

I never said you called me names. I explained that many of your messages
contain a reason for you being called names. Matter of fact, some of them
can be considered an explicit request for mistreatment.

"John H." wrote in message
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:59:59 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"John H." wrote in message
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:33:04 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"John H." wrote in message
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There are other reasons a woman might not get treatment for a few
days.
If
you're not aware of this....you know why.


Now you're making your population *very* small. Maybe sex education
in
school should tell females to get treatment as soon as possible
after
the
rape.

Considering that a girl could have a father like you, it's no surprise
that
she might wait before dealing with the results of rape.


If either of my daughters had been raped, I would have supported their
taking the morning-after pill as soon as possible.

Perhaps you could explain the necessity of your derogatory comments?
Have
I
called you names, put down your fathering abilities, questioned your
manhood? Why do you find it necessary to make a personal attack in
every
post?

Search for your last 100 messages and read them. That should answer your
question.


I cannot find one instance wherein I've called you anything. I may have
found your arguments specious, your name-calling remarkable, and your
demeanor nauseating, but I've called you no names that I could find.

I never said you called me names. I explained that many of your messages
contain a reason for you being called names. Matter of fact, some of them
can be considered an explicit request for mistreatment.


So my commenting on your specious arguments, your name-calling, and/or
your
nauseating demeanor, or my not answering 'loaded' questions are reasons to
call me names. And you seem to share the name calling with others in the
group, so I don't feel too badly.

How about your ugly habit of whining about off topic posts, and within
minutes, posting your own off topic messages as you see fit?


I don't recall your definition of 'sot'. Did you provide one, using the
same criteria you desire for 'socialism'?

You have a dictionary. Use it.

On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:33:04 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
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There are other reasons a woman might not get treatment for a few days.
If
you're not aware of this....you know why.


Now you're making your population *very* small. Maybe sex education in
school should tell females to get treatment as soon as possible after
the
rape.

Considering that a girl could have a father like you, it's no surprise
that
she might wait before dealing with the results of rape.


If either of my daughters had been raped, I would have supported their
taking the morning-after pill as soon as possible.

Perhaps you could explain the necessity of your derogatory comments? Have
I
called you names, put down your fathering abilities, questioned your
manhood? Why do you find it necessary to make a personal attack in every
post?

Search for your last 100 messages and read them. That should answer your
question.


I cannot find one instance wherein I've called you anything. I may have
found your arguments specious, your name-calling remarkable, and your
demeanor nauseating, but I've called you no names that I could find.

On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:15:51 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

The one caveat is that I don't think she's as smart as her fans think
she is.

I don't consider myself a fan but I think you may be underestimating
her. In politics you don't have to be a rocket scientist to be well
above average.

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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:39:55 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"John H." wrote in message
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:59:59 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"John H." wrote in message
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:33:04 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"John H." wrote in message
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There are other reasons a woman might not get treatment for a few
days.
If
you're not aware of this....you know why.


Now you're making your population *very* small. Maybe sex
education
in
school should tell females to get treatment as soon as possible
after
the
rape.

Considering that a girl could have a father like you, it's no
surprise
that
she might wait before dealing with the results of rape.


If either of my daughters had been raped, I would have supported
their
taking the morning-after pill as soon as possible.

Perhaps you could explain the necessity of your derogatory comments?
Have
I
called you names, put down your fathering abilities, questioned your
manhood? Why do you find it necessary to make a personal attack in
every
post?

Search for your last 100 messages and read them. That should answer
your
question.


I cannot find one instance wherein I've called you anything. I may
have
found your arguments specious, your name-calling remarkable, and your
demeanor nauseating, but I've called you no names that I could find.

I never said you called me names. I explained that many of your messages
contain a reason for you being called names. Matter of fact, some of
them
can be considered an explicit request for mistreatment.


So my commenting on your specious arguments, your name-calling, and/or
your
nauseating demeanor, or my not answering 'loaded' questions are reasons
to
call me names. And you seem to share the name calling with others in the
group, so I don't feel too badly.

How about your ugly habit of whining about off topic posts, and within
minutes, posting your own off topic messages as you see fit?


I don't recall your definition of 'sot'. Did you provide one, using the
same criteria you desire for 'socialism'?

"


I whine about your political trolls which are well known to cause
conflict.
Live with it, as you seem not to have the courage to test your mettle in a
political forum.

I will assume that a dictionary definition of socialism should do for you.
The next time somebody uses the word, and you ask for the definition, I'll
be sure to respond with, "You have a dictionary. Use it."

You forgot to look up "sot".