|
I'm just sayin' ;)
|
I'm just sayin' ;)
wrote in message
ps.com... Which boat will dip into a wave?? Hummmmmm.... http://www.yaimkool.com/imjustsayin.htm ;) Did somebody say "low transom"? Never mind.... :) |
I'm just sayin' ;)
|
I'm just sayin' ;)
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message ps.com... Which boat will dip into a wave?? Hummmmmm.... http://www.yaimkool.com/imjustsayin.htm ;) Did somebody say "low transom"? Never mind.... :) No, I don't think anyone talked about a LT, but if you want a photo of one still being built, I know where you can get one. |
I'm just sayin' ;)
On Oct 9, 3:45 pm, HK wrote:
wrote: Which boat will dip into a wave?? Hummmmmm.... http://www.yaimkool.com/imjustsayin.htm ;) Which one will bounce hard enough in a real chop to loosen your fillings? The trihull, but it is a bay boat. On the other hand, we were talking about taking a wave broadside. You got to remember Harry, I am a low transom guy too, and I ain't skeeret of a little wetfoot, but... I'm just sayin;) |
I'm just sayin' ;)
On Oct 9, 3:45 pm, HK wrote:
wrote: Which boat will dip into a wave?? Hummmmmm.... http://www.yaimkool.com/imjustsayin.htm ;) Which one will bounce hard enough in a real chop to loosen your fillings? Actually now that I think about it, maybe both would loosen your fillings as I did "design" them both with 12 degree deadrise... In comparison to your Parker, they are both "flat bottom" boats for all practical purposes. I was just comparing a boat with primary stability to one with secondary. |
I'm just sayin' ;)
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:21:28 -0000,
wrote: On Oct 9, 3:45 pm, HK wrote: wrote: Which boat will dip into a wave?? Hummmmmm.... http://www.yaimkool.com/imjustsayin.htm ;) Which one will bounce hard enough in a real chop to loosen your fillings? The trihull, but it is a bay boat. On the other hand, we were talking about taking a wave broadside. You got to remember Harry, I am a low transom guy too, and I ain't skeeret of a little wetfoot, but... I'm just sayin;) When you look at a hull, you also have to take into account bow entry and how it evolves into the stern. A properly designed bay boat hull will have a sharp bow entry which will flare to a a flatter stern somewhere about 2/3s the way down the length of the hull. To say that it will "pound" because of the design is silly. All hulls "pound" at speed depending on the sea state. My Contenders weren't the most even landing hulls in the world and I seriously doubt the Parker is any different than those boats were. On any long run, you are going to use the engine trim angle to adjust the entry point of the bow into the prevailing sea state to prevent "pounding". The occasional wake or cross wake that sneaks up on you will make the boat pound, but that's true for the hull of any manufacturer. |
I'm just sayin' ;)
On Oct 9, 4:42 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:21:28 -0000, wrote: On Oct 9, 3:45 pm, HK wrote: wrote: Which boat will dip into a wave?? Hummmmmm.... http://www.yaimkool.com/imjustsayin.htm ;) Which one will bounce hard enough in a real chop to loosen your fillings? The trihull, but it is a bay boat. On the other hand, we were talking about taking a wave broadside. You got to remember Harry, I am a low transom guy too, and I ain't skeeret of a little wetfoot, but... I'm just sayin;) When you look at a hull, you also have to take into account bow entry and how it evolves into the stern. A properly designed bay boat hull will have a sharp bow entry which will flare to a a flatter stern somewhere about 2/3s the way down the length of the hull. To say that it will "pound" because of the design is silly. All hulls "pound" at speed depending on the sea state. My Contenders weren't the most even landing hulls in the world and I seriously doubt the Parker is any different than those boats were. On any long run, you are going to use the engine trim angle to adjust the entry point of the bow into the prevailing sea state to prevent "pounding". The occasional wake or cross wake that sneaks up on you will make the boat pound, but that's true for the hull of any manufacturer.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The tri hull here starts sharper and flattens out about miships. The Vee, a little further back. I'm just sayin' |
I'm just sayin' ;)
wrote in message
oups.com... On Oct 9, 4:42 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:21:28 -0000, wrote: On Oct 9, 3:45 pm, HK wrote: wrote: Which boat will dip into a wave?? Hummmmmm.... http://www.yaimkool.com/imjustsayin.htm ;) Which one will bounce hard enough in a real chop to loosen your fillings? The trihull, but it is a bay boat. On the other hand, we were talking about taking a wave broadside. You got to remember Harry, I am a low transom guy too, and I ain't skeeret of a little wetfoot, but... I'm just sayin;) When you look at a hull, you also have to take into account bow entry and how it evolves into the stern. A properly designed bay boat hull will have a sharp bow entry which will flare to a a flatter stern somewhere about 2/3s the way down the length of the hull. To say that it will "pound" because of the design is silly. All hulls "pound" at speed depending on the sea state. My Contenders weren't the most even landing hulls in the world and I seriously doubt the Parker is any different than those boats were. On any long run, you are going to use the engine trim angle to adjust the entry point of the bow into the prevailing sea state to prevent "pounding". The occasional wake or cross wake that sneaks up on you will make the boat pound, but that's true for the hull of any manufacturer.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The tri hull here starts sharper and flattens out about miships. The Vee, a little further back. I'm just sayin' You should build one for each of us to test out for a few years. I'm just sayin... |
I'm just sayin' ;)
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... The occasional wake or cross wake that sneaks up on you will make the boat pound, but that's true for the hull of any manufacturer. Ahem ... Not so fast, there Short Sport. Eisboch |
I'm just sayin' ;)
Eisboch wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... The occasional wake or cross wake that sneaks up on you will make the boat pound, but that's true for the hull of any manufacturer. Ahem ... Not so fast, there Short Sport. Eisboch Occasional wave? I'm talking about hard chop, the kind that makes a flat bottomed boat bounce pretty continuously, even at slow planing speeds. |
I'm just sayin' ;)
On Oct 9, 4:50 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... On Oct 9, 4:42 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:21:28 -0000, wrote: On Oct 9, 3:45 pm, HK wrote: wrote: Which boat will dip into a wave?? Hummmmmm.... http://www.yaimkool.com/imjustsayin.htm ;) Which one will bounce hard enough in a real chop to loosen your fillings? The trihull, but it is a bay boat. On the other hand, we were talking about taking a wave broadside. You got to remember Harry, I am a low transom guy too, and I ain't skeeret of a little wetfoot, but... I'm just sayin;) When you look at a hull, you also have to take into account bow entry and how it evolves into the stern. A properly designed bay boat hull will have a sharp bow entry which will flare to a a flatter stern somewhere about 2/3s the way down the length of the hull. To say that it will "pound" because of the design is silly. All hulls "pound" at speed depending on the sea state. My Contenders weren't the most even landing hulls in the world and I seriously doubt the Parker is any different than those boats were. On any long run, you are going to use the engine trim angle to adjust the entry point of the bow into the prevailing sea state to prevent "pounding". The occasional wake or cross wake that sneaks up on you will make the boat pound, but that's true for the hull of any manufacturer.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The tri hull here starts sharper and flattens out about miships. The Vee, a little further back. I'm just sayin' You should build one for each of us to test out for a few years. I'm just sayin...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I am about to flip a coin... something similar to one of them will be built this winter along with a couple of Brockways. I just can't stand it anymore, gotta' get some sawdust in my hair;) |
I'm just sayin' ;)
On Oct 9, 4:55 pm, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . The occasional wake or cross wake that sneaks up on you will make the boat pound, but that's true for the hull of any manufacturer. Ahem ... Not so fast, there Short Sport. Eisboch Occasional wave? I'm talking about hard chop, the kind that makes a flat bottomed boat bounce pretty continuously, even at slow planing speeds. Me and wave were in his bay boat, doing 45 mph, 1 1/2 to 2 footers. I thought the ride was pretty good and tolerable... |
I'm just sayin' ;)
On Tue, 9 Oct 2007 16:53:13 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . The occasional wake or cross wake that sneaks up on you will make the boat pound, but that's true for the hull of any manufacturer. Ahem ... Not so fast, there Short Sport. What? :) |
I'm just sayin' ;)
|
I'm just sayin' ;)
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 16:55:35 -0400, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... The occasional wake or cross wake that sneaks up on you will make the boat pound, but that's true for the hull of any manufacturer. Ahem ... Not so fast, there Short Sport. Occasional wave? I'm talking about hard chop, the kind that makes a flat bottomed boat bounce pretty continuously, even at slow planing speeds. Your boat will ride the same as my boat in the same conditions. Unless you don't know how to adjust the trim angle for the most comfortable ride. |
I'm just sayin' ;)
|
I'm just sayin' ;)
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 16:55:35 -0400, HK wrote: Eisboch wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... The occasional wake or cross wake that sneaks up on you will make the boat pound, but that's true for the hull of any manufacturer. Ahem ... Not so fast, there Short Sport. Occasional wave? I'm talking about hard chop, the kind that makes a flat bottomed boat bounce pretty continuously, even at slow planing speeds. Your boat will ride the same as my boat in the same conditions. Sorry, I don't buy that as a theory. On monohull planing boats, the boat with more weight, sharper bow entry, and more deadrise will ride better. What's your boat weigh sans engine, gear and gas? What's the bow entry angle? What's the deadrise? What's the beam? These all matter. |
I'm just sayin' ;)
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:58:51 -0000, wrote: On Oct 9, 4:55 pm, HK wrote: Eisboch wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... The occasional wake or cross wake that sneaks up on you will make the boat pound, but that's true for the hull of any manufacturer. Ahem ... Not so fast, there Short Sport. Eisboch Occasional wave? I'm talking about hard chop, the kind that makes a flat bottomed boat bounce pretty continuously, even at slow planing speeds. Me and wave were in his bay boat, doing 45 mph, 1 1/2 to 2 footers. I thought the ride was pretty good and tolerable... Harry isn't going to believe it because only Parker's ride correctly all the time in all sea states. :) One and a half to two foot waves are not the same as a hard chop. |
I'm just sayin' ;)
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:42:55 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: The occasional wake or cross wake that sneaks up on you will make the boat pound, but that's true for the hull of any manufacturer. No, not true at all. It is true for all planing hulls however. |
I'm just sayin' ;)
Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:42:55 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: The occasional wake or cross wake that sneaks up on you will make the boat pound, but that's true for the hull of any manufacturer. No, not true at all. It is true for all planing hulls however. Indeed, one's boat has to be moving fast enough for its bow to be out of the water, in a plane. My canoe doesn't pound. |
I'm just sayin' ;)
On Tue, 9 Oct 2007 16:53:13 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
The occasional wake or cross wake that sneaks up on you will make the boat pound, but that's true for the hull of any manufacturer. Ahem ... Not so fast, there Short Sport. Ayyup. |
I'm just sayin' ;)
|
I'm just sayin' ;)
Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:58:51 -0000, wrote: Me and wave were in his bay boat, doing 45 mph, 1 1/2 to 2 footers. I thought the ride was pretty good and tolerable... That's because you were only hitting every 4th or 5th wave. Wouldn't that depend upon the distance between wave tops? In hard chop, they are very close together. |
I'm just sayin' ;)
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 17:12:48 -0400, HK wrote:
One and a half to two foot waves are not the same as a hard chop. There hasn't been a wave that big on the Chesapeake in about 10 days unless you count tug boat wakes. I was doing 20 kts this morning in an 11 ft dinghy. |
I'm just sayin' ;)
On Oct 9, 5:52 pm, HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:58:51 -0000, wrote: Me and wave were in his bay boat, doing 45 mph, 1 1/2 to 2 footers. I thought the ride was pretty good and tolerable... That's because you were only hitting every 4th or 5th wave. Wouldn't that depend upon the distance between wave tops? In hard chop, they are very close together. I think the forward firing anti matter wave inhibitor helps too.. |
I'm just sayin' ;)
Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 17:12:48 -0400, HK wrote: One and a half to two foot waves are not the same as a hard chop. There hasn't been a wave that big on the Chesapeake in about 10 days unless you count tug boat wakes. I was doing 20 kts this morning in an 11 ft dinghy. Your error is in assuming that the weather and wave patterns on the bay are the same over the entire area. Doing 20 knots down the Miles River is no great feat. |
I'm just sayin' ;)
On Oct 9, 5:53 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 17:12:48 -0400, HK wrote: One and a half to two foot waves are not the same as a hard chop. There hasn't been a wave that big on the Chesapeake in about 10 days unless you count tug boat wakes. I was doing 20 kts this morning in an 11 ft dinghy. We were outside, out by fishers, and out to the race that day... |
I'm just sayin' ;)
|
I'm just sayin' ;)
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 17:50:27 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:58:51 -0000, wrote: Me and wave were in his bay boat, doing 45 mph, 1 1/2 to 2 footers. I thought the ride was pretty good and tolerable... That's because you were only hitting every 4th or 5th wave. Good point. |
I'm just sayin' ;)
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 17:58:35 -0400, HK wrote:
Your error is in assuming that the weather and wave patterns on the bay are the same over the entire area. Doing 20 knots down the Miles River is no great feat. And after that we crossed the bay to a location somewhere near your backyard. No waves here either. |
I'm just sayin' ;)
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 9 Oct 2007 16:53:13 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. The occasional wake or cross wake that sneaks up on you will make the boat pound, but that's true for the hull of any manufacturer. Ahem ... Not so fast, there Short Sport. What? :) See Wayne's response. Eisboch |
I'm just sayin' ;)
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 17:38:52 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:42:55 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: The occasional wake or cross wake that sneaks up on you will make the boat pound, but that's true for the hull of any manufacturer. No, not true at all. It is true for all planing hulls however. Not if you are in a boat that is longer than my house and half as wide - I mean we're talking real boats here. Ok, that didn't come out right. :) Allow me to rephrase. Not if you are in a boat that weighs about twice as much as my house. There - much bettererer... :) |
I'm just sayin' ;)
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 23:43:32 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: Not if you are in a boat that weighs about twice as much as my house. Does your house have a displacement hull or a planing hull? I'm betting displacement. Oh the shame of it all, but at least it doesn't pound. :-) Maybe if you put more power on it... I'll tell you one thing, the day that my GB pounds will be the day that I once again try to improve my golf game. Actually, anything would be an improvement. |
I'm just sayin' ;)
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:09:18 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 23:43:32 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Not if you are in a boat that weighs about twice as much as my house. Does your house have a displacement hull or a planing hull? I'm betting displacement. Oh the shame of it all, but at least it doesn't pound. :-) Maybe if you put more power on it... I'll tell you one thing, the day that my GB pounds will be the day that I once again try to improve my golf game. Actually, anything would be an improvement. I tried golf once - gave it a whole year. I gave it up because it's just too stupid for words. |
I'm just sayin' ;)
On Oct 9, 8:15 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:09:18 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 23:43:32 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Not if you are in a boat that weighs about twice as much as my house. Does your house have a displacement hull or a planing hull? I'm betting displacement. Oh the shame of it all, but at least it doesn't pound. :-) Maybe if you put more power on it... I'll tell you one thing, the day that my GB pounds will be the day that I once again try to improve my golf game. Actually, anything would be an improvement. I tried golf once To borrow a phrase... snerk |
I'm just sayin' ;)
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:37:05 -0500, John H.
wrote: On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:15:23 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:09:18 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 23:43:32 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Not if you are in a boat that weighs about twice as much as my house. Does your house have a displacement hull or a planing hull? I'm betting displacement. Oh the shame of it all, but at least it doesn't pound. :-) Maybe if you put more power on it... I'll tell you one thing, the day that my GB pounds will be the day that I once again try to improve my golf game. Actually, anything would be an improvement. I tried golf once - gave it a whole year. I gave it up because it's just too stupid for words. I felt pretty stupid at the end of my first year too. I still feel pretty stupid occasionally. But, the times I feel good about a shot are becoming more and more regular. Maybe you just gave up too soon? No - it's too stupid for words. |
I'm just sayin' ;)
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:37:05 -0500, John H. wrote: On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:15:23 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:09:18 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 23:43:32 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Not if you are in a boat that weighs about twice as much as my house. Does your house have a displacement hull or a planing hull? I'm betting displacement. Oh the shame of it all, but at least it doesn't pound. :-) Maybe if you put more power on it... I'll tell you one thing, the day that my GB pounds will be the day that I once again try to improve my golf game. Actually, anything would be an improvement. I tried golf once - gave it a whole year. I gave it up because it's just too stupid for words. I felt pretty stupid at the end of my first year too. I still feel pretty stupid occasionally. But, the times I feel good about a shot are becoming more and more regular. Maybe you just gave up too soon? No - it's too stupid for words. No coordination? Pansy 8) |
I'm just sayin' ;)
On Tue, 9 Oct 2007 21:09:31 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:37:05 -0500, John H. wrote: On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:15:23 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:09:18 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 23:43:32 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Not if you are in a boat that weighs about twice as much as my house. Does your house have a displacement hull or a planing hull? I'm betting displacement. Oh the shame of it all, but at least it doesn't pound. :-) Maybe if you put more power on it... I'll tell you one thing, the day that my GB pounds will be the day that I once again try to improve my golf game. Actually, anything would be an improvement. I tried golf once - gave it a whole year. I gave it up because it's just too stupid for words. I felt pretty stupid at the end of my first year too. I still feel pretty stupid occasionally. But, the times I feel good about a shot are becoming more and more regular. Maybe you just gave up too soon? No - it's too stupid for words. No coordination? Pansy 8) No - it's too stupid for words. |
| All times are GMT +1. The time now is 04:05 PM. |
Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2014 BoatBanter.com