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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:31:36 -0000, Tim wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 11:16:13 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 10:35:32 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 12:10:50 -0000, shipmk wrote: -Special Purpose Vessels: Research Vessel, Training Ship, Floating Dock, Floating Crane, Pleasure Boat, Hospital Ship, Patrol Boat Can you build a low transom 21 foot center console? Why would anyone want to build one of those? There are some who believe that wet decks and unstable platforms in stern seas are a plus. It's a kind of "macho" thing. Not to mention any names of course, but a set of initials might just look like... Well, let's just leave it at that. Plus, based on Gene's story, they make good artificial reefs. :) Speaking of wet decks, this is a 22' Bay Ranger: http://tinyurl.com/2rlax5 Specs say it is only 16.5" deep from the cockpit sole to the gunnels...couple of interesting broadsides, and glug, glug, glug. Nice boat for the Florida flats or the North Florida ICW...I'd certainly not take it out in the ocean or a big bay. Tell you what - let's do a little "test". I'll bring my Ranger down there when I leave for SC next week and on my way back, we'll put your Parker up against my Ranger in some heavy wakes or seas. Broadside. I guarentee you I will be nice and dry and you will be soaked. No boots - deck shoes for evidence. And just for giggles, let's see if your 150 Yamaha can pull the stern of my Ranger under. Then we'll see if my ETEC can pull the stern of your Parker under. How 'bout it? Up for it? :) I'd like to see a test between the ETEC 150 hp and a 140hp (3.0) GM/ Mercuiser. Too far away, but I'd put my little chris craft up to the test. Chicken. :) This could turn into quie the event - a tow off!! |
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On Oct 8, 3:42 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 12:21:15 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 11:56:05 -0400, HK wrote: Oh the first part makes perfect sense, as my boat, though a foot shorter than yours (you have a 22' boat, right?), it is about a foot deeper from the deck to the gunnels, has the typical "Carolina flare," has 21 degrees of deadrise at the transom and probably weighs about 1000 pounds more. Right. Makes perfect sense, even though what you are saying violates the laws of physics. Yep, your boat is going to be drier in heavy seas. Sure it is. 20' and I can see you are already backing down. Chicken. :) The second part would be fun if we had the same sized engines on the transom...don't you have a 300 hp deadTec on that wet little boat? :} I only have a 150. 200 HO. I'll only go half throttle. :) You have the 20' SmallBayRanger? Ranger must have dropped that model, as the 20-footer is not rated for 200 horsepower. Unless you are exceeding the recommended maximum. Finally figured it out - heh... Mines rated for 225 and is a completely different boat from the "new" bay boats. Are the dimensions on your boat, but for length, about the same as the 22-footer? If so, you have a very wide, fairly flat-bottomed, modified vee hull. Hard riding in the chop and wet. Hey - ask Scott. He's been in some crap with me in it. I've seen Ranger bay boats out on nice days. How many Parker 2100CC's have you seen? Probably none. There are plenty of Parker 21's out there, but they mostly are the "SE" models. Different boat. A few actually - very few, but a few. However, Parker's aren't that unique in design - they are pretty much the same old same old when it comes to design - pretty standard boat. No style, no class. :) I'm sorry, that wasn't fair. I apologize. ~~ snerk ~~- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - We been out in some snot, and I have not gotten wet yet. And I have noted to Tom several times how smooth she seems to land. I really expected a pounding at 45 mph in the slow rollers a couple of weeks back, but it was not to bad at all. Weather said 5-10 from the south, we got out and it was 10-20 from the NW.. Great day of fishing;) |
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On Oct 8, 3:49 pm, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 12:21:15 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 11:56:05 -0400, HK wrote: Oh the first part makes perfect sense, as my boat, though a foot shorter than yours (you have a 22' boat, right?), it is about a foot deeper from the deck to the gunnels, has the typical "Carolina flare," has 21 degrees of deadrise at the transom and probably weighs about 1000 pounds more. Right. Makes perfect sense, even though what you are saying violates the laws of physics. Yep, your boat is going to be drier in heavy seas. Sure it is. 20' and I can see you are already backing down. Chicken. :) The second part would be fun if we had the same sized engines on the transom...don't you have a 300 hp deadTec on that wet little boat? :} I only have a 150. 200 HO. I'll only go half throttle. :) You have the 20' SmallBayRanger? Ranger must have dropped that model, as the 20-footer is not rated for 200 horsepower. Unless you are exceeding the recommended maximum. Finally figured it out - heh... Mines rated for 225 and is a completely different boat from the "new" bay boats. Are the dimensions on your boat, but for length, about the same as the 22-footer? If so, you have a very wide, fairly flat-bottomed, modified vee hull. Hard riding in the chop and wet. Hey - ask Scott. He's been in some crap with me in it. I've seen Ranger bay boats out on nice days. How many Parker 2100CC's have you seen? Probably none. There are plenty of Parker 21's out there, but they mostly are the "SE" models. Different boat. A few actually - very few, but a few. However, Parker's aren't that unique in design - they are pretty much the same old same old when it comes to design - pretty standard boat. No style, no class. :) I'm sorry, that wasn't fair. I apologize. ~~ snerk ~~ No glitz on Parkers, for sure. That's what is most endearing to me. Is your Ranger finished in metalflake?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Not on the boat. The custom fitted trailer however does iirc;) |
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 12:50:17 -0400, HK wrote:
wrote: On Oct 8, 12:37 pm, HK wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: On Oct 8, 9:13?am, Short Wave Sportfishing I'll only go half throttle. :) Sounds like a half fast compromise to me. :-) On the other hand, experiments and demonstrations that promise to violate the laws of physics often are interesting. Tom has proposed one. Apples and Oranges.. Each job has it's own tool. Years ago I had a CJ7 and worked at a body shop. The frame guy had a VW (smerk) Rabbit that was set up for, uh, speed. He used to tell me he could take me in the quarter, I told him to hook up bumper to bumper and I would drag him to the local scrap yard;) Indeed, but the "riding through the slop" experiment Tom has proposed would end up violating the laws of physics for his boat to win. It just doesn't make any sense. What you seem to fail to understand is this - my boat doesn't tip - ever. Put three guys on the starboard rail and it still stays flat. It will roll - I'm not claiming that it won't roll, but water over the gunwale? No way. Been there, done that - have the proof. It's because of the slight deadrise and the step hull. As to "pounding" - yeah - a little depending on how you approach a wave at speed, but with the trim angle adjusted properly, the entry and exit is very smooth. Yours, on the other hand, being a fairly standard CC with the same beam as my Ranger and a 21 degree deadrise can't perform the same trick because of the hull configuration and if anything will probably "pound" as much as the Ranger given the same sea state. And it will tip broadside to the water further than my boat will. Mine bobs like a cork - yours, not so much. Them's the "physics". So, what do you say - wanna do it? :) |
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 15:06:03 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 11:48:00 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: No it doesn't bother me at all for anyone to ask me any question at all. What is the sound of one hand clapping? Answer: Not an answer. You have to describe it. Secondly, if you are lost and come to a fork in the road, which one do you take? Answer: The right one How do you know it's the right one? |
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 14:23:23 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 20:04:25 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: Secondly, if you are lost and come to a fork in the road, which one do you take? Answer: The right one How do you know it's the right one? In retrospect, it's unfailingly accurate. |
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 15:09:35 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: Departed from here, not from life. If you're on the Miles River, you're a lot closer to the lobsta boat than you know. Wayne, that infamous lobsta boat is in your neighborhood, snap a picture of it. But of course. It will be hard to tell it from the other 101 varieties of Chesapeake Bay crabbers however without our LT hero in it, and he seems firmly parked in his parka. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:31:36 -0000, Tim wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 11:16:13 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 10:35:32 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 12:10:50 -0000, shipmk wrote: -Special Purpose Vessels: Research Vessel, Training Ship, Floating Dock, Floating Crane, Pleasure Boat, Hospital Ship, Patrol Boat Can you build a low transom 21 foot center console? Why would anyone want to build one of those? There are some who believe that wet decks and unstable platforms in stern seas are a plus. It's a kind of "macho" thing. Not to mention any names of course, but a set of initials might just look like... Well, let's just leave it at that. Plus, based on Gene's story, they make good artificial reefs. :) Speaking of wet decks, this is a 22' Bay Ranger: http://tinyurl.com/2rlax5 Specs say it is only 16.5" deep from the cockpit sole to the gunnels...couple of interesting broadsides, and glug, glug, glug. Nice boat for the Florida flats or the North Florida ICW...I'd certainly not take it out in the ocean or a big bay. Tell you what - let's do a little "test". I'll bring my Ranger down there when I leave for SC next week and on my way back, we'll put your Parker up against my Ranger in some heavy wakes or seas. Broadside. I guarentee you I will be nice and dry and you will be soaked. No boots - deck shoes for evidence. And just for giggles, let's see if your 150 Yamaha can pull the stern of my Ranger under. Then we'll see if my ETEC can pull the stern of your Parker under. How 'bout it? Up for it? :) I'd like to see a test between the ETEC 150 hp and a 140hp (3.0) GM/ Mercuiser. Too far away, but I'd put my little chris craft up to the test. Chicken. :) This could turn into quie the event - a tow off!! I think any 150 hp motor should be able to blow out the prop if tied to another boat of similar equal power or a piling. |
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:52:03 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: I'd like to see a test between the ETEC 150 hp and a 140hp (3.0) GM/ Mercuiser. Too far away, but I'd put my little chris craft up to the test. Chicken. :) This could turn into quie the event - a tow off!! Tell you guys what, I'll take on all 3 of you at once, winner take all. Somewhere, off in the distance, I can hear a pair of DD6-71s spooling up, with 30 inch props thrashing the water. Size matters. Oops, some of the water seems to be going over those cute little transoms on the toy boats... Houston, we seem to have a problem. Call 1-800-SEATOW, bring flotation bags. |
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 20:04:25 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Secondly, if you are lost and come to a fork in the road, which one do you take? Answer: The right one How do you know it's the right one? In retrospect, it's unfailingly accurate. My first thought was to say "The correct one", then I thought better. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 12:50:17 -0400, HK wrote: wrote: On Oct 8, 12:37 pm, HK wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: On Oct 8, 9:13?am, Short Wave Sportfishing I'll only go half throttle. :) Sounds like a half fast compromise to me. :-) On the other hand, experiments and demonstrations that promise to violate the laws of physics often are interesting. Tom has proposed one. Apples and Oranges.. Each job has it's own tool. Years ago I had a CJ7 and worked at a body shop. The frame guy had a VW (smerk) Rabbit that was set up for, uh, speed. He used to tell me he could take me in the quarter, I told him to hook up bumper to bumper and I would drag him to the local scrap yard;) Indeed, but the "riding through the slop" experiment Tom has proposed would end up violating the laws of physics for his boat to win. It just doesn't make any sense. What you seem to fail to understand is this - my boat doesn't tip - ever. Put three guys on the starboard rail and it still stays flat. It will roll - I'm not claiming that it won't roll, but water over the gunwale? No way. Been there, done that - have the proof. It's because of the slight deadrise and the step hull. As to "pounding" - yeah - a little depending on how you approach a wave at speed, but with the trim angle adjusted properly, the entry and exit is very smooth. Yours, on the other hand, being a fairly standard CC with the same beam as my Ranger and a 21 degree deadrise can't perform the same trick because of the hull configuration and if anything will probably "pound" as much as the Ranger given the same sea state. And it will tip broadside to the water further than my boat will. Mine bobs like a cork - yours, not so much. Them's the "physics". So, what do you say - wanna do it? :) Carolina Skiffs, the flat bottomed ones and the ones with some vee, don't tip, either, but in monohulled planing boats, the flatter the vee, the harder and usually the wetter the ride. There's just no way a flat bottomed planing hull in the sizes we're discussing won't pound in hard chop. |
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 15:09:35 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Departed from here, not from life. If you're on the Miles River, you're a lot closer to the lobsta boat than you know. Wayne, that infamous lobsta boat is in your neighborhood, snap a picture of it. But of course. It will be hard to tell it from the other 101 varieties of Chesapeake Bay crabbers however without our LT hero in it, and he seems firmly parked in his parka. If you head down the Miles and turn "left" towards the bridge, there are aren't many... |
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:10:45 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:52:03 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: I'd like to see a test between the ETEC 150 hp and a 140hp (3.0) GM/ Mercuiser. Too far away, but I'd put my little chris craft up to the test. Chicken. :) This could turn into quie the event - a tow off!! Tell you guys what, I'll take on all 3 of you at once, winner take all. Somewhere, off in the distance, I can hear a pair of DD6-71s spooling up, with 30 inch props thrashing the water. Size matters. Oops, some of the water seems to be going over those cute little transoms on the toy boats... Houston, we seem to have a problem. Call 1-800-SEATOW, bring flotation bags. Might be an interesting experience. I wonder if I could tow your boat backwards? |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:10:45 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:52:03 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: I'd like to see a test between the ETEC 150 hp and a 140hp (3.0) GM/ Mercuiser. Too far away, but I'd put my little chris craft up to the test. Chicken. :) This could turn into quie the event - a tow off!! Tell you guys what, I'll take on all 3 of you at once, winner take all. Somewhere, off in the distance, I can hear a pair of DD6-71s spooling up, with 30 inch props thrashing the water. Size matters. Oops, some of the water seems to be going over those cute little transoms on the toy boats... Houston, we seem to have a problem. Call 1-800-SEATOW, bring flotation bags. Might be an interesting experience. I wonder if I could tow your boat backwards? It's a full doublewide, isn't it? I wonder if he keeps his refrigerator out on the back porch. |
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:43:52 -0400, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 12:50:17 -0400, HK wrote: wrote: On Oct 8, 12:37 pm, HK wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: On Oct 8, 9:13?am, Short Wave Sportfishing I'll only go half throttle. :) Sounds like a half fast compromise to me. :-) On the other hand, experiments and demonstrations that promise to violate the laws of physics often are interesting. Tom has proposed one. Apples and Oranges.. Each job has it's own tool. Years ago I had a CJ7 and worked at a body shop. The frame guy had a VW (smerk) Rabbit that was set up for, uh, speed. He used to tell me he could take me in the quarter, I told him to hook up bumper to bumper and I would drag him to the local scrap yard;) Indeed, but the "riding through the slop" experiment Tom has proposed would end up violating the laws of physics for his boat to win. It just doesn't make any sense. What you seem to fail to understand is this - my boat doesn't tip - ever. Put three guys on the starboard rail and it still stays flat. It will roll - I'm not claiming that it won't roll, but water over the gunwale? No way. Been there, done that - have the proof. It's because of the slight deadrise and the step hull. As to "pounding" - yeah - a little depending on how you approach a wave at speed, but with the trim angle adjusted properly, the entry and exit is very smooth. Yours, on the other hand, being a fairly standard CC with the same beam as my Ranger and a 21 degree deadrise can't perform the same trick because of the hull configuration and if anything will probably "pound" as much as the Ranger given the same sea state. And it will tip broadside to the water further than my boat will. Mine bobs like a cork - yours, not so much. Them's the "physics". So, what do you say - wanna do it? :) Carolina Skiffs, the flat bottomed ones and the ones with some vee, don't tip, either, but in monohulled planing boats, the flatter the vee, the harder and usually the wetter the ride. There's just no way a flat bottomed planing hull in the sizes we're discussing won't pound in hard chop. Hello? I'm willing - am you? :) |
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:53:17 -0400, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:10:45 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:52:03 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: I'd like to see a test between the ETEC 150 hp and a 140hp (3.0) GM/ Mercuiser. Too far away, but I'd put my little chris craft up to the test. Chicken. :) This could turn into quie the event - a tow off!! Tell you guys what, I'll take on all 3 of you at once, winner take all. Somewhere, off in the distance, I can hear a pair of DD6-71s spooling up, with 30 inch props thrashing the water. Size matters. Oops, some of the water seems to be going over those cute little transoms on the toy boats... Houston, we seem to have a problem. Call 1-800-SEATOW, bring flotation bags. Might be an interesting experience. I wonder if I could tow your boat backwards? It's a full doublewide, isn't it? I wonder if he keeps his refrigerator out on the back porch. Actually, no it's in the main salon. At least it was when Mrs. Wave and I were aboard. It's a beautiful boat, I'll admit that - gorgeous. And space up the whoo hoo. I just can't get into the whole slow boat to China thing. |
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:53:17 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:10:45 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:52:03 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: I'd like to see a test between the ETEC 150 hp and a 140hp (3.0) GM/ Mercuiser. Too far away, but I'd put my little chris craft up to the test. Chicken. :) This could turn into quie the event - a tow off!! Tell you guys what, I'll take on all 3 of you at once, winner take all. Somewhere, off in the distance, I can hear a pair of DD6-71s spooling up, with 30 inch props thrashing the water. Size matters. Oops, some of the water seems to be going over those cute little transoms on the toy boats... Houston, we seem to have a problem. Call 1-800-SEATOW, bring flotation bags. Might be an interesting experience. I wonder if I could tow your boat backwards? It's a full doublewide, isn't it? I wonder if he keeps his refrigerator out on the back porch. Actually, no it's in the main salon. At least it was when Mrs. Wave and I were aboard. It's a beautiful boat, I'll admit that - gorgeous. And space up the whoo hoo. I just can't get into the whole slow boat to China thing. As I said previously, I think the smaller GBs have pretty lines. The big ones seem ungainly to me. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:10:45 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: Tell you guys what, I'll take on all 3 of you at once, winner take all. Somewhere, off in the distance, I can hear a pair of DD6-71s spooling up, with 30 inch props thrashing the water. Size matters. Oops, some of the water seems to be going over those cute little transoms on the toy boats... Houston, we seem to have a problem. Call 1-800-SEATOW, bring flotation bags. Might be an interesting experience. I wonder if I could tow your boat backwards? Only if he had the engines off or in neutral. Think twin 30-inch wheels ..... and the power to turn them. Eisboch |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... I wonder if I could tow your boat backwards? Only if he had the engines off or in neutral. Think twin 30-inch wheels ..... and the power to turn them. Eisboch Forget what I said. Do the test. I'd love to see the results. snicker If he can't .... I'll take the challenge. Navigator versus Etec. ..... I'll even spot you some ... I'll only use one engine and only up to 3/4 throttle. I just hope you don't have a LT. Eisboch |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... I wonder if I could tow your boat backwards? Only if he had the engines off or in neutral. Think twin 30-inch wheels ..... and the power to turn them. Eisboch Forget what I said. Do the test. I'd love to see the results. snicker If he can't .... I'll take the challenge. Navigator versus Etec. ..... I'll even spot you some ... I'll only use one engine and only up to 3/4 throttle. I just hope you don't have a LT. Eisboch Of course, if I picked the spot...you'd lose...and you'd have to call in a fleet of Sea Tow'ers to get you out of the hole your props dug you into! :} |
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On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 19:12:07 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... I wonder if I could tow your boat backwards? Only if he had the engines off or in neutral. Think twin 30-inch wheels ..... and the power to turn them. Forget what I said. Do the test. I'd love to see the results. snicker If he can't .... I'll take the challenge. Navigator versus Etec. ..... I'll even spot you some ... I'll only use one engine and only up to 3/4 throttle. I just hope you don't have a LT. I was actually curious if I could tow the boat backwards, but not while it was in gear - I'm not that stupid. :) I'm pretty sure I could get it moving bow on on a tow, but backwards would be interesting to see if I had the power to move that barge...er...good looking floating condo. Side bar: Do you have one rudder or two on the Navigator? |
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"HK" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... I wonder if I could tow your boat backwards? Only if he had the engines off or in neutral. Think twin 30-inch wheels ..... and the power to turn them. Eisboch Forget what I said. Do the test. I'd love to see the results. snicker If he can't .... I'll take the challenge. Navigator versus Etec. ...... I'll even spot you some ... I'll only use one engine and only up to 3/4 throttle. I just hope you don't have a LT. Eisboch Of course, if I picked the spot...you'd lose...and you'd have to call in a fleet of Sea Tow'ers to get you out of the hole your props dug you into! :} Maybe, but think about it. Many sections of the ICW would quickly become non-passable if it weren't for the hundreds of snowbirds in big, floating RV's doing the natural dredging that the FED can't afford to do. A little sand bar or shoaling will stop your Parker dead in it's tracks. The Navigator would just plow a new channel. Eisboch |
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... I wonder if I could tow your boat backwards? Only if he had the engines off or in neutral. Think twin 30-inch wheels ..... and the power to turn them. Eisboch Forget what I said. Do the test. I'd love to see the results. snicker If he can't .... I'll take the challenge. Navigator versus Etec. ..... I'll even spot you some ... I'll only use one engine and only up to 3/4 throttle. I just hope you don't have a LT. Eisboch Of course, if I picked the spot...you'd lose...and you'd have to call in a fleet of Sea Tow'ers to get you out of the hole your props dug you into! :} Maybe, but think about it. Many sections of the ICW would quickly become non-passable if it weren't for the hundreds of snowbirds in big, floating RV's doing the natural dredging that the FED can't afford to do. A little sand bar or shoaling will stop your Parker dead in it's tracks. The Navigator would just plow a new channel. Eisboch Not in 2' of water. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 19:12:07 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: If he can't .... I'll take the challenge. Navigator versus Etec. ..... I'll even spot you some ... I'll only use one engine and only up to 3/4 throttle. I just hope you don't have a LT. I was actually curious if I could tow the boat backwards, but not while it was in gear - I'm not that stupid. :) I'm pretty sure I could get it moving bow on on a tow, but backwards would be interesting to see if I had the power to move that barge...er...good looking floating condo. Side bar: Do you have one rudder or two on the Navigator? Ah, Rats! I thought I had a live one there for a minute. The Navigator has two rudders. (Last time I checked) Eisboch |
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"HK" wrote in message . .. Many sections of the ICW would quickly become non-passable if it weren't for the hundreds of snowbirds in big, floating RV's doing the natural dredging that the FED can't afford to do. A little sand bar or shoaling will stop your Parker dead in it's tracks. The Navigator would just plow a new channel. Eisboch Not in 2' of water. Wanna bet? Been there, done that. And the Navigator draws 4 and a half. Eisboch |
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On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 19:49:19 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 19:12:07 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: If he can't .... I'll take the challenge. Navigator versus Etec. ..... I'll even spot you some ... I'll only use one engine and only up to 3/4 throttle. I just hope you don't have a LT. I was actually curious if I could tow the boat backwards, but not while it was in gear - I'm not that stupid. :) I'm pretty sure I could get it moving bow on on a tow, but backwards would be interesting to see if I had the power to move that barge...er...good looking floating condo. Side bar: Do you have one rudder or two on the Navigator? Ah, Rats! I thought I had a live one there for a minute. The Navigator has two rudders. (Last time I checked) This may sound like a really stupid question, but I honestly don't know the answer. Is it easier to manuever a boat with twin engines with two rudders? What would be the difference if it had one rudder? Or if you have a single engine and two rudders? |
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 23:00:02 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: I just can't get into the whole slow boat to China thing. Hah. 30 kt southerly coming into Narragansett Bay against an ebb tide and we'll see who's slow (and wet). |
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:01:17 -0400, HK wrote:
As I said previously, I think the smaller GBs have pretty lines. The big ones seem ungainly to me. That's funny, from a distance they all look alike. |
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On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 19:12:07 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote: If he can't .... I'll take the challenge. Navigator versus Etec. ..... Oh no you don't, I want him first. You can have what's left. Snicker. |
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 20:29:39 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 19:12:07 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: If he can't .... I'll take the challenge. Navigator versus Etec. ..... Oh no you don't, I want him first. You can have what's left. Snicker. Please note- I didn't say in gear. Like I said, I'm not quite that stupid. :) |
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On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 00:06:06 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: Is it easier to manuever a boat with twin engines with two rudders? What would be the difference if it had one rudder? Or if you have a single engine and two rudders? In close quarters maneuvering it's nice to have the prop wash blasting directly against the rudder, especially important with a single engine boat but useful even with twins. The rudder deflects the prop wash and creates a lateral (rotational) force. |
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On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 20:31:33 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:
My guess is that you leave the rudders in straight forward neutral and only work the engines forward/reverse to maneuver. Let's see if I am right. That's normally true with twin engines but not always. Some of the exceptions: 1. Springing the stern off or on to a dock. 2. Jump starting a 180 degree, in place turn. 3. Walking the boat sideways. 4. Backing up over a distance with some way on. |
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On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 00:33:12 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: Please note- I didn't say in gear. Like I said, I'm not quite that stupid. :) You can get almost anything moving if it's not tied down or fighting back. Down our way in FL there are quite a few 20 something skiffs rigged out with pusher bars for moving big work barges around. |
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 20:44:31 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 00:06:06 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Is it easier to manuever a boat with twin engines with two rudders? What would be the difference if it had one rudder? Or if you have a single engine and two rudders? In close quarters maneuvering it's nice to have the prop wash blasting directly against the rudder, especially important with a single engine boat but useful even with twins. The rudder deflects the prop wash and creates a lateral (rotational) force. So if I read that correctly, and I might not be, using a single rudder would be similar to applying vectored thrust as you do with an outboard, but not so with twin rudders? |
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On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 00:59:59 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: So if I read that correctly, and I might not be, using a single rudder would be similar to applying vectored thrust as you do with an outboard, but not so with twin rudders? There are some similarities but also some differences. With an outboard or I/O the vectored thrust works in both forward and reverse. With inboards vectored thrust is possible only in forward because the prop wash has to react against a rudder to be effective. That can be useful in certain situations such as the "back and fill" maneuver with a single engined boat, or "walking the boat sideways" with twin engines. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 19:49:19 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: The Navigator has two rudders. (Last time I checked) This may sound like a really stupid question, but I honestly don't know the answer. Is it easier to manuever a boat with twin engines with two rudders? What would be the difference if it had one rudder? Or if you have a single engine and two rudders? I am not sure I understand your question, but a single engined boat like the GB has one rudder, a twin engined boat like the Navigator has two rudders. On a power boat, the rudder is placed directly behind the prop(s) and it's purpose is to direct the prop wash to move the stern and provide steerage. It's not the same as a sailboat that would have a much bigger rudder and depends on the movement of the boat to steer, rather than the prop wash. Eisboch But you already knew that. |
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 20:58:39 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 00:33:12 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Please note- I didn't say in gear. Like I said, I'm not quite that stupid. :) You can get almost anything moving if it's not tied down or fighting back. Down our way in FL there are quite a few 20 something skiffs rigged out with pusher bars for moving big work barges around. Interesting. |
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:13:44 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 00:59:59 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: So if I read that correctly, and I might not be, using a single rudder would be similar to applying vectored thrust as you do with an outboard, but not so with twin rudders? There are some similarities but also some differences. With an outboard or I/O the vectored thrust works in both forward and reverse. With inboards vectored thrust is possible only in forward because the prop wash has to react against a rudder to be effective. That can be useful in certain situations such as the "back and fill" maneuver with a single engined boat, or "walking the boat sideways" with twin engines. I think I'm getting a handle on this. |
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