Outboard popularity question.
 

On Oct 4, 7:09 am, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 10:02:30 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing





wrote:
On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:19:15 -0700, Tim wrote:

I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport
fishing.

You've pretty much gotten most of the "issues", but truth be told,
there really isn't much difference in complexity between a modern
outboard and I/Os.

On some boats, the major consideration is cockpit space and I/Os can
take up precious room in a smaller boat if there isn't sufficient
bilge to give you floor space. On a center console less than 23 feet,
there will be a reduction in space and around 20 feet, you won't have
any space to speak of.

23 foot and above, you can stuff a I/O engine in the bilge, but space
will be at a premium which makes it more difficult to maintain the
engine - everything from oil changes to simple repairs become more
complicated due to space problems.

Basically that's the real reason - space.

OK, to be honest, the engine cover isn't all bad. If it's made decently, as
it was in the Proline, then it becomes a great place to sit, a 'table for
cutting bait, etc., and a place to stand and wave distress flags from when
your engine stops.- Hide quoted text -

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LOL!

Guys, thanks for all the replies. this thread has truely been
enlightening....


I can see the advantages of an O/B, in many the case

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Tim wrote:
On Oct 4, 7:09 am, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 10:02:30 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing





wrote:
On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:19:15 -0700, Tim wrote:
I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport
fishing.
You've pretty much gotten most of the "issues", but truth be told,
there really isn't much difference in complexity between a modern
outboard and I/Os.
On some boats, the major consideration is cockpit space and I/Os can
take up precious room in a smaller boat if there isn't sufficient
bilge to give you floor space. On a center console less than 23 feet,
there will be a reduction in space and around 20 feet, you won't have
any space to speak of.
23 foot and above, you can stuff a I/O engine in the bilge, but space
will be at a premium which makes it more difficult to maintain the
engine - everything from oil changes to simple repairs become more
complicated due to space problems.
Basically that's the real reason - space.
OK, to be honest, the engine cover isn't all bad. If it's made decently, as
it was in the Proline, then it becomes a great place to sit, a 'table for
cutting bait, etc., and a place to stand and wave distress flags from when
your engine stops.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

LOL!

Guys, thanks for all the replies. this thread has truely been
enlightening....


I can see the advantages of an O/B, in many the case



To me, the real downside of an I/O is the drive and the drive's big
rubber boot. The drive, because it adds complexity, and the boot
because, well, use your imagination.

The I/O box inside the boat is a minor problem when it is up against the
transom. With a jackshaft I/O, the box is more amidships, where it can
be used as a seat, stretch-out pad, table, et cetera. But you still have
the damned boot.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:19:15 -0700, Tim wrote:

I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport
fishing.

You've pretty much gotten most of the "issues", but truth be told,
there really isn't much difference in complexity between a modern
outboard and I/Os.

The upper gear set, drive coupler, drive damper, universal joints, shift
cable boot/bellows, driveshaft boot/bellows, & exhaust boot/bellows are
always acting up on my outboards & need to be disassembled & serviced
every two seasons at a minimum.

:)

Rob

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On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 08:17:57 -0400, HK wrote:

To me, the real downside of an I/O is the drive and the drive's big
rubber boot. The drive, because it adds complexity, and the boot
because, well, use your imagination.

We have a lot of I/Os in our area of SW Florida, including about 80%
of my neighbors. Interestingly enough you don't hear about many boot
problems although one neighbor did succeed in ripping the I/O clean
off the transom creating a boot failure of sorts. :-)

Cooling issues, manifolds and risers are near the top of the list
based on what I've observed.

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On Oct 3, 9:52 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 16:20:22 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
Cheaper than comparable power outboards.

And repairable by ordinary mortals.

I dunno.. I was a chevy mechanice in the 80's and found once I took a
little look and got a couple of readouts from the local dealer, I have
been able to do most of the maintenance on my little outboards...

Another option no one has noted is an outboard, in a forward motor
well.

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On Oct 4, 12:16 pm, wrote:
On Oct 3, 9:52 pm, Wayne.B wrote:

On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 16:20:22 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
Cheaper than comparable power outboards.

And repairable by ordinary mortals.

I dunno.. I was a chevy mechanice in the 80's and found once I took a
little look and got a couple of readouts from the local dealer, I have
been able to do most of the maintenance on my little outboards...

Another option no one has noted is an outboard, in a forward motor
well.

All the types of engine configurations have their pros and cons. The
commercial guys mostly run full inboards.

The price difference of the outboard is because it is completely
produced just for marine use. The inboards and i/o's leverage the
fact that part of the drive train is also used in other industries
thus lowering the cost through volume.

I have an i/o for my recreational trailer boat and I would not have an
outboard if you gave me one. If I kept a larger boat in a slip I'd
have an inboard.

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I do believe that it was its been a few years back now.
Brad
"Tim" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Oct 3, 2:16 pm, "Brad Darnell" wrote:
As a previous owner of a 200hp Evinrude on a bass boat all I can say is
it
was the biggest pile of junk I have ever owned in my life. It put me out
of
the bass fishing craze. Wouldn't idle and blew ever 25 hours. It wasn't
long
after that time that Evinrude went under. In two summers it had 3 power
heads put on at a cool 12k a piece, two under warranty and one after I
unloaded it to a car dealership owner.
Later,
Brad"HK" wrote in message

...



Tim wrote:
I've been thinking about this and haven't really come to any
conclusion, But While in S. Florida this summer I was looking at the
fishing boats. and of course you had your diesel or large gas powered
Bluewater battlewagons, as Chuck would mention, they 40 footers with
three tier tuna towers etc. But then you had the smaller center
console sport fisherman craft, like the 22' - 27' Makos, Gradys,
Parkers, etc Thhat were all equipped with large outboard single or
dual.

I was wondering why, especially in the smaller craft there was the
absense of I/O's Like Mercruiser, volvo penta, etc.

Anyone I've talked to has never given me a direct conclusive answer.

Does it have to do with the salt water? handling charistics? etc?

I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport
fishing.

Thats why I'm asking.

THANKS!

Because:

Their drive system is more complicated (more turns) than an outboard,
Their boots can leak offshore, causing the boat to sink,
Their lower units cannot be raised completely out of the water when
the boat is not being used, leading to interesting corrosion, galvanic
action, and marine growth problems,
Their engines tend to take up lots of fishing space in the stern of the
boat,
Their engines are heavier, putting more weight in the stern,
Their exhaust systems and manifolds tend to rust out in five years or
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Brad, was it a Ficht?

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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Basically that's the real reason - space.


Nope. Price.

Eisboch

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On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:05:40 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:36:36 -0400, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:

I was wondering why, especially in the smaller craft there was the
absense of I/O's Like Mercruiser, volvo penta, etc.



I'll add a couple mo

Rubber couplers between the engine and outdrive that wear out and shred.
(Usually means pulling the engine to replace)

Hydraulic lines for tilt/trim that leak.

Shift cables that get worn.

"Flappers" that rot and seize.

Can be susceptible to hydrolocking the engine if a large wave or wake hits
the stern hard with the engine off ... especially after the "flappers"
freeze up in the open position.

Eisboch


Having read all this, what is the advantage to an I/O engine, if any?

Apart from the cost, ever tried working on an outboard in a 3ft swell? And
maybe it's just me, but I feel nervous bolting 500hp and 1000lb (and
$50k!) to my transom. I'd rather have it firmly bolted to stringers, which
are firmly attached to the keel...

That said, I agree that the I/O is a pain - go full inboard!

druid
http://www.bcboatnet.org

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druid wrote:
On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:05:40 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:36:36 -0400, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:
I was wondering why, especially in the smaller craft there was the
absense of I/O's Like Mercruiser, volvo penta, etc.


I'll add a couple mo

Rubber couplers between the engine and outdrive that wear out and shred.
(Usually means pulling the engine to replace)

Hydraulic lines for tilt/trim that leak.

Shift cables that get worn.

"Flappers" that rot and seize.

Can be susceptible to hydrolocking the engine if a large wave or wake hits
the stern hard with the engine off ... especially after the "flappers"
freeze up in the open position.

Eisboch

Having read all this, what is the advantage to an I/O engine, if any?

Apart from the cost, ever tried working on an outboard in a 3ft swell? And
maybe it's just me, but I feel nervous bolting 500hp and 1000lb (and
$50k!) to my transom. I'd rather have it firmly bolted to stringers, which
are firmly attached to the keel...

That said, I agree that the I/O is a pain - go full inboard!

druid
http://www.bcboatnet.org




I agree with that, even on smaller boats, so long as they have some sort
of keel/prop pocket underneath and fresh water cooling.