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On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:36:36 -0400, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:
I've been thinking about this and haven't really come to any
conclusion, But While in S. Florida this summer I was looking at the
fishing boats. and of course you had your diesel or large gas powered
Bluewater battlewagons, as Chuck would mention, they 40 footers with
three tier tuna towers etc. But then you had the smaller center
console sport fisherman craft, like the 22' - 27' Makos, Gradys,
Parkers, etc Thhat were all equipped with large outboard single or
dual.

I was wondering why, especially in the smaller craft there was the
absense of I/O's Like Mercruiser, volvo penta, etc.

Anyone I've talked to has never given me a direct conclusive answer.

Does it have to do with the salt water? handling charistics? etc?

I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport
fishing.

Thats why I'm asking.

THANKS!



Because:

Their drive system is more complicated (more turns) than an outboard,
Their boots can leak offshore, causing the boat to sink,
Their lower units cannot be raised completely out of the water when
the boat is not being used, leading to interesting corrosion, galvanic
action, and marine growth problems,
Their engines tend to take up lots of fishing space in the stern of the
boat,
Their engines are heavier, putting more weight in the stern,
Their exhaust systems and manifolds tend to rust out in five years or less.

Tim, add what he said to what I said!

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
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On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:36:36 -0400, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:
I've been thinking about this and haven't really come to any
conclusion, But While in S. Florida this summer I was looking at the
fishing boats. and of course you had your diesel or large gas powered
Bluewater battlewagons, as Chuck would mention, they 40 footers with
three tier tuna towers etc. But then you had the smaller center
console sport fisherman craft, like the 22' - 27' Makos, Gradys,
Parkers, etc Thhat were all equipped with large outboard single or
dual.

I was wondering why, especially in the smaller craft there was the
absense of I/O's Like Mercruiser, volvo penta, etc.

Anyone I've talked to has never given me a direct conclusive answer.

Does it have to do with the salt water? handling charistics? etc?

I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport
fishing.

Thats why I'm asking.

THANKS!


Because:

Their drive system is more complicated (more turns) than an outboard,
Their boots can leak offshore, causing the boat to sink,
Their lower units cannot be raised completely out of the water when
the boat is not being used, leading to interesting corrosion, galvanic
action, and marine growth problems,
Their engines tend to take up lots of fishing space in the stern of the
boat,
Their engines are heavier, putting more weight in the stern,
Their exhaust systems and manifolds tend to rust out in five years or
less.

I'll add a couple mo

Rubber couplers between the engine and outdrive that wear out and shred.
(Usually means pulling the engine to replace)

Hydraulic lines for tilt/trim that leak.

Shift cables that get worn.

"Flappers" that rot and seize.

Can be susceptible to hydrolocking the engine if a large wave or wake hits
the stern hard with the engine off ... especially after the "flappers"
freeze up in the open position.

Eisboch


Having read all this, what is the advantage to an I/O engine, if any?



Cost.

You can get a complete boat, motor, trailer with a 135hp Mercruiser
Alpha 1 or 135hp Volvo-Penta SX for the price of just the 4 stroke or
E-Tec outboard engine in that horsepower range.

Rob

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On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:05:40 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
m...

On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:36:36 -0400, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:
I've been thinking about this and haven't really come to any
conclusion, But While in S. Florida this summer I was looking at the
fishing boats. and of course you had your diesel or large gas powered
Bluewater battlewagons, as Chuck would mention, they 40 footers with
three tier tuna towers etc. But then you had the smaller center
console sport fisherman craft, like the 22' - 27' Makos, Gradys,
Parkers, etc Thhat were all equipped with large outboard single or
dual.

I was wondering why, especially in the smaller craft there was the
absense of I/O's Like Mercruiser, volvo penta, etc.

Anyone I've talked to has never given me a direct conclusive answer.

Does it have to do with the salt water? handling charistics? etc?

I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport
fishing.

Thats why I'm asking.

THANKS!



Because:

Their drive system is more complicated (more turns) than an outboard,
Their boots can leak offshore, causing the boat to sink,
Their lower units cannot be raised completely out of the water when
the boat is not being used, leading to interesting corrosion, galvanic
action, and marine growth problems,
Their engines tend to take up lots of fishing space in the stern of the
boat,
Their engines are heavier, putting more weight in the stern,
Their exhaust systems and manifolds tend to rust out in five years or
less.


I'll add a couple mo

Rubber couplers between the engine and outdrive that wear out and shred.
(Usually means pulling the engine to replace)

Hydraulic lines for tilt/trim that leak.

Shift cables that get worn.

"Flappers" that rot and seize.

Can be susceptible to hydrolocking the engine if a large wave or wake hits
the stern hard with the engine off ... especially after the "flappers"
freeze up in the open position.

Eisboch


Having read all this, what is the advantage to an I/O engine, if any?


They'd probably make a good anchor. They're cheaper to replace. A rebuild
can be had for around $3K to $5K.

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On Oct 3, 2:16 pm, "Brad Darnell" wrote:
As a previous owner of a 200hp Evinrude on a bass boat all I can say is it
was the biggest pile of junk I have ever owned in my life. It put me out of
the bass fishing craze. Wouldn't idle and blew ever 25 hours. It wasn't long
after that time that Evinrude went under. In two summers it had 3 power
heads put on at a cool 12k a piece, two under warranty and one after I
unloaded it to a car dealership owner.
Later,
Brad"HK" wrote in message

...



Tim wrote:
I've been thinking about this and haven't really come to any
conclusion, But While in S. Florida this summer I was looking at the
fishing boats. and of course you had your diesel or large gas powered
Bluewater battlewagons, as Chuck would mention, they 40 footers with
three tier tuna towers etc. But then you had the smaller center
console sport fisherman craft, like the 22' - 27' Makos, Gradys,
Parkers, etc Thhat were all equipped with large outboard single or
dual.

I was wondering why, especially in the smaller craft there was the
absense of I/O's Like Mercruiser, volvo penta, etc.

Anyone I've talked to has never given me a direct conclusive answer.

Does it have to do with the salt water? handling charistics? etc?

I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport
fishing.

Thats why I'm asking.

THANKS!

Because:

Their drive system is more complicated (more turns) than an outboard,
Their boots can leak offshore, causing the boat to sink,
Their lower units cannot be raised completely out of the water when
the boat is not being used, leading to interesting corrosion, galvanic
action, and marine growth problems,
Their engines tend to take up lots of fishing space in the stern of the
boat,
Their engines are heavier, putting more weight in the stern,
Their exhaust systems and manifolds tend to rust out in five years or
less.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Brad, was it a Ficht?

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"Tim" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Oct 3, 2:16 pm, "Brad Darnell" wrote:
As a previous owner of a 200hp Evinrude on a bass boat all I can say is
it
was the biggest pile of junk I have ever owned in my life. It put me out
of
the bass fishing craze. Wouldn't idle and blew ever 25 hours. It wasn't
long
after that time that Evinrude went under. In two summers it had 3 power
heads put on at a cool 12k a piece, two under warranty and one after I
unloaded it to a car dealership owner.
Later,
Brad"HK" wrote in message

...



Tim wrote:
I've been thinking about this and haven't really come to any
conclusion, But While in S. Florida this summer I was looking at the
fishing boats. and of course you had your diesel or large gas powered
Bluewater battlewagons, as Chuck would mention, they 40 footers with
three tier tuna towers etc. But then you had the smaller center
console sport fisherman craft, like the 22' - 27' Makos, Gradys,
Parkers, etc Thhat were all equipped with large outboard single or
dual.

I was wondering why, especially in the smaller craft there was the
absense of I/O's Like Mercruiser, volvo penta, etc.

Anyone I've talked to has never given me a direct conclusive answer.

Does it have to do with the salt water? handling charistics? etc?

I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport
fishing.

Thats why I'm asking.

THANKS!

Because:

Their drive system is more complicated (more turns) than an outboard,
Their boots can leak offshore, causing the boat to sink,
Their lower units cannot be raised completely out of the water when
the boat is not being used, leading to interesting corrosion, galvanic
action, and marine growth problems,
Their engines tend to take up lots of fishing space in the stern of the
boat,
Their engines are heavier, putting more weight in the stern,
Their exhaust systems and manifolds tend to rust out in five years or
less.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Brad, was it a Ficht?

Ficht is the predecessor to the eTec. Ficht is probably to single most
reason for the demise of Evinrude,

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"D.Duck" wrote in message
...

"Tim" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Oct 3, 2:16 pm, "Brad Darnell" wrote:
As a previous owner of a 200hp Evinrude on a bass boat all I can say is
it
was the biggest pile of junk I have ever owned in my life. It put me out
of
the bass fishing craze. Wouldn't idle and blew ever 25 hours. It wasn't
long
after that time that Evinrude went under. In two summers it had 3 power
heads put on at a cool 12k a piece, two under warranty and one after I
unloaded it to a car dealership owner.
Later,
Brad"HK" wrote in message

...



Tim wrote:
I've been thinking about this and haven't really come to any
conclusion, But While in S. Florida this summer I was looking at the
fishing boats. and of course you had your diesel or large gas powered
Bluewater battlewagons, as Chuck would mention, they 40 footers with
three tier tuna towers etc. But then you had the smaller center
console sport fisherman craft, like the 22' - 27' Makos, Gradys,
Parkers, etc Thhat were all equipped with large outboard single or
dual.

I was wondering why, especially in the smaller craft there was the
absense of I/O's Like Mercruiser, volvo penta, etc.

Anyone I've talked to has never given me a direct conclusive answer.

Does it have to do with the salt water? handling charistics? etc?

I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport
fishing.

Thats why I'm asking.

THANKS!

Because:

Their drive system is more complicated (more turns) than an outboard,
Their boots can leak offshore, causing the boat to sink,
Their lower units cannot be raised completely out of the water when
the boat is not being used, leading to interesting corrosion,
galvanic
action, and marine growth problems,
Their engines tend to take up lots of fishing space in the stern of
the
boat,
Their engines are heavier, putting more weight in the stern,
Their exhaust systems and manifolds tend to rust out in five years or
less.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Brad, was it a Ficht?

Ficht is the predecessor to the eTec. Ficht is probably to single most
reason for the demise of Evinrude,

Oooops, misread your question. I first read as you asking "what is" a
Ficht. Old age is hell!

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On Oct 3, 5:24 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message

...







"Tim" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Oct 3, 2:16 pm, "Brad Darnell" wrote:
As a previous owner of a 200hp Evinrude on a bass boat all I can say is
it
was the biggest pile of junk I have ever owned in my life. It put me out
of
the bass fishing craze. Wouldn't idle and blew ever 25 hours. It wasn't
long
after that time that Evinrude went under. In two summers it had 3 power
heads put on at a cool 12k a piece, two under warranty and one after I
unloaded it to a car dealership owner.
Later,
Brad"HK" wrote in message

...

Tim wrote:
I've been thinking about this and haven't really come to any
conclusion, But While in S. Florida this summer I was looking at the
fishing boats. and of course you had your diesel or large gas powered
Bluewater battlewagons, as Chuck would mention, they 40 footers with
three tier tuna towers etc. But then you had the smaller center
console sport fisherman craft, like the 22' - 27' Makos, Gradys,
Parkers, etc Thhat were all equipped with large outboard single or
dual.

I was wondering why, especially in the smaller craft there was the
absense of I/O's Like Mercruiser, volvo penta, etc.

Anyone I've talked to has never given me a direct conclusive answer.

Does it have to do with the salt water? handling charistics? etc?

I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport
fishing.

Thats why I'm asking.

THANKS!

Because:

Their drive system is more complicated (more turns) than an outboard,
Their boots can leak offshore, causing the boat to sink,
Their lower units cannot be raised completely out of the water when
the boat is not being used, leading to interesting corrosion,
galvanic
action, and marine growth problems,
Their engines tend to take up lots of fishing space in the stern of
the
boat,
Their engines are heavier, putting more weight in the stern,
Their exhaust systems and manifolds tend to rust out in five years or
less.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Brad, was it a Ficht?

Ficht is the predecessor to the eTec. Ficht is probably to single most
reason for the demise of Evinrude,

Oooops, misread your question. I first read as you asking "what is" a
Ficht. Old age is hell!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No problem there. Yeah, between the Ficht (from what I gather) and the
old stringer I/O's, I'd say OMC made some really poor decisions.

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On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 16:20:22 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Cheaper than comparable power outboards.

And repairable by ordinary mortals.

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On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:19:15 -0700, Tim wrote:

I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport
fishing.

You've pretty much gotten most of the "issues", but truth be told,
there really isn't much difference in complexity between a modern
outboard and I/Os.

On some boats, the major consideration is cockpit space and I/Os can
take up precious room in a smaller boat if there isn't sufficient
bilge to give you floor space. On a center console less than 23 feet,
there will be a reduction in space and around 20 feet, you won't have
any space to speak of.

23 foot and above, you can stuff a I/O engine in the bilge, but space
will be at a premium which makes it more difficult to maintain the
engine - everything from oil changes to simple repairs become more
complicated due to space problems.

Basically that's the real reason - space.

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On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 10:02:30 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:19:15 -0700, Tim wrote:

I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport
fishing.

You've pretty much gotten most of the "issues", but truth be told,
there really isn't much difference in complexity between a modern
outboard and I/Os.

On some boats, the major consideration is cockpit space and I/Os can
take up precious room in a smaller boat if there isn't sufficient
bilge to give you floor space. On a center console less than 23 feet,
there will be a reduction in space and around 20 feet, you won't have
any space to speak of.

23 foot and above, you can stuff a I/O engine in the bilge, but space
will be at a premium which makes it more difficult to maintain the
engine - everything from oil changes to simple repairs become more
complicated due to space problems.

Basically that's the real reason - space.

OK, to be honest, the engine cover isn't all bad. If it's made decently, as
it was in the Proline, then it becomes a great place to sit, a 'table for
cutting bait, etc., and a place to stand and wave distress flags from when
your engine stops.