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I've been thinking about this and haven't really come to any
conclusion, But While in S. Florida this summer I was looking at the fishing boats. and of course you had your diesel or large gas powered Bluewater battlewagons, as Chuck would mention, they 40 footers with three tier tuna towers etc. But then you had the smaller center console sport fisherman craft, like the 22' - 27' Makos, Gradys, Parkers, etc Thhat were all equipped with large outboard single or dual. I was wondering why, especially in the smaller craft there was the absense of I/O's Like Mercruiser, volvo penta, etc. Anyone I've talked to has never given me a direct conclusive answer. Does it have to do with the salt water? handling charistics? etc? I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport fishing. Thats why I'm asking. THANKS! |
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"Tim" wrote in message ups.com... I've been thinking about this and haven't really come to any conclusion, But While in S. Florida this summer I was looking at the fishing boats. and of course you had your diesel or large gas powered Bluewater battlewagons, as Chuck would mention, they 40 footers with three tier tuna towers etc. But then you had the smaller center console sport fisherman craft, like the 22' - 27' Makos, Gradys, Parkers, etc Thhat were all equipped with large outboard single or dual. I was wondering why, especially in the smaller craft there was the absense of I/O's Like Mercruiser, volvo penta, etc. Anyone I've talked to has never given me a direct conclusive answer. Does it have to do with the salt water? handling charistics? etc? I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport fishing. Thats why I'm asking. THANKS! All those intermediate sport fishing boats with big outboards are owned by people that used to have an I/O. That's why. Eisboch |
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Tim wrote:
I've been thinking about this and haven't really come to any conclusion, But While in S. Florida this summer I was looking at the fishing boats. and of course you had your diesel or large gas powered Bluewater battlewagons, as Chuck would mention, they 40 footers with three tier tuna towers etc. But then you had the smaller center console sport fisherman craft, like the 22' - 27' Makos, Gradys, Parkers, etc Thhat were all equipped with large outboard single or dual. I was wondering why, especially in the smaller craft there was the absense of I/O's Like Mercruiser, volvo penta, etc. Anyone I've talked to has never given me a direct conclusive answer. Does it have to do with the salt water? handling charistics? etc? I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport fishing. Thats why I'm asking. THANKS! Because: Their drive system is more complicated (more turns) than an outboard, Their boots can leak offshore, causing the boat to sink, Their lower units cannot be raised completely out of the water when the boat is not being used, leading to interesting corrosion, galvanic action, and marine growth problems, Their engines tend to take up lots of fishing space in the stern of the boat, Their engines are heavier, putting more weight in the stern, Their exhaust systems and manifolds tend to rust out in five years or less. |
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As a previous owner of a 200hp Evinrude on a bass boat all I can say is it
was the biggest pile of junk I have ever owned in my life. It put me out of the bass fishing craze. Wouldn't idle and blew ever 25 hours. It wasn't long after that time that Evinrude went under. In two summers it had 3 power heads put on at a cool 12k a piece, two under warranty and one after I unloaded it to a car dealership owner. Later, Brad "HK" wrote in message ... Tim wrote: I've been thinking about this and haven't really come to any conclusion, But While in S. Florida this summer I was looking at the fishing boats. and of course you had your diesel or large gas powered Bluewater battlewagons, as Chuck would mention, they 40 footers with three tier tuna towers etc. But then you had the smaller center console sport fisherman craft, like the 22' - 27' Makos, Gradys, Parkers, etc Thhat were all equipped with large outboard single or dual. I was wondering why, especially in the smaller craft there was the absense of I/O's Like Mercruiser, volvo penta, etc. Anyone I've talked to has never given me a direct conclusive answer. Does it have to do with the salt water? handling charistics? etc? I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport fishing. Thats why I'm asking. THANKS! Because: Their drive system is more complicated (more turns) than an outboard, Their boots can leak offshore, causing the boat to sink, Their lower units cannot be raised completely out of the water when the boat is not being used, leading to interesting corrosion, galvanic action, and marine growth problems, Their engines tend to take up lots of fishing space in the stern of the boat, Their engines are heavier, putting more weight in the stern, Their exhaust systems and manifolds tend to rust out in five years or less. |
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On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:36:36 -0400, HK wrote: Tim wrote: I've been thinking about this and haven't really come to any conclusion, But While in S. Florida this summer I was looking at the fishing boats. and of course you had your diesel or large gas powered Bluewater battlewagons, as Chuck would mention, they 40 footers with three tier tuna towers etc. But then you had the smaller center console sport fisherman craft, like the 22' - 27' Makos, Gradys, Parkers, etc Thhat were all equipped with large outboard single or dual. I was wondering why, especially in the smaller craft there was the absense of I/O's Like Mercruiser, volvo penta, etc. Anyone I've talked to has never given me a direct conclusive answer. Does it have to do with the salt water? handling charistics? etc? I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport fishing. Thats why I'm asking. THANKS! Because: Their drive system is more complicated (more turns) than an outboard, Their boots can leak offshore, causing the boat to sink, Their lower units cannot be raised completely out of the water when the boat is not being used, leading to interesting corrosion, galvanic action, and marine growth problems, Their engines tend to take up lots of fishing space in the stern of the boat, Their engines are heavier, putting more weight in the stern, Their exhaust systems and manifolds tend to rust out in five years or less. I'll add a couple mo Rubber couplers between the engine and outdrive that wear out and shred. (Usually means pulling the engine to replace) Hydraulic lines for tilt/trim that leak. Shift cables that get worn. "Flappers" that rot and seize. Can be susceptible to hydrolocking the engine if a large wave or wake hits the stern hard with the engine off ... especially after the "flappers" freeze up in the open position. Eisboch |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
... On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:36:36 -0400, HK wrote: Tim wrote: I've been thinking about this and haven't really come to any conclusion, But While in S. Florida this summer I was looking at the fishing boats. and of course you had your diesel or large gas powered Bluewater battlewagons, as Chuck would mention, they 40 footers with three tier tuna towers etc. But then you had the smaller center console sport fisherman craft, like the 22' - 27' Makos, Gradys, Parkers, etc Thhat were all equipped with large outboard single or dual. I was wondering why, especially in the smaller craft there was the absense of I/O's Like Mercruiser, volvo penta, etc. Anyone I've talked to has never given me a direct conclusive answer. Does it have to do with the salt water? handling charistics? etc? I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport fishing. Thats why I'm asking. THANKS! Because: Their drive system is more complicated (more turns) than an outboard, Their boots can leak offshore, causing the boat to sink, Their lower units cannot be raised completely out of the water when the boat is not being used, leading to interesting corrosion, galvanic action, and marine growth problems, Their engines tend to take up lots of fishing space in the stern of the boat, Their engines are heavier, putting more weight in the stern, Their exhaust systems and manifolds tend to rust out in five years or less. I'll add a couple mo Rubber couplers between the engine and outdrive that wear out and shred. (Usually means pulling the engine to replace) Hydraulic lines for tilt/trim that leak. Shift cables that get worn. "Flappers" that rot and seize. Can be susceptible to hydrolocking the engine if a large wave or wake hits the stern hard with the engine off ... especially after the "flappers" freeze up in the open position. Eisboch Having read all this, what is the advantage to an I/O engine, if any? |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:36:36 -0400, HK wrote: Tim wrote: I've been thinking about this and haven't really come to any conclusion, But While in S. Florida this summer I was looking at the fishing boats. and of course you had your diesel or large gas powered Bluewater battlewagons, as Chuck would mention, they 40 footers with three tier tuna towers etc. But then you had the smaller center console sport fisherman craft, like the 22' - 27' Makos, Gradys, Parkers, etc Thhat were all equipped with large outboard single or dual. I was wondering why, especially in the smaller craft there was the absense of I/O's Like Mercruiser, volvo penta, etc. Anyone I've talked to has never given me a direct conclusive answer. Does it have to do with the salt water? handling charistics? etc? I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport fishing. Thats why I'm asking. THANKS! Because: Their drive system is more complicated (more turns) than an outboard, Their boots can leak offshore, causing the boat to sink, Their lower units cannot be raised completely out of the water when the boat is not being used, leading to interesting corrosion, galvanic action, and marine growth problems, Their engines tend to take up lots of fishing space in the stern of the boat, Their engines are heavier, putting more weight in the stern, Their exhaust systems and manifolds tend to rust out in five years or less. I'll add a couple mo Rubber couplers between the engine and outdrive that wear out and shred. (Usually means pulling the engine to replace) Hydraulic lines for tilt/trim that leak. Shift cables that get worn. "Flappers" that rot and seize. Can be susceptible to hydrolocking the engine if a large wave or wake hits the stern hard with the engine off ... especially after the "flappers" freeze up in the open position. Eisboch Having read all this, what is the advantage to an I/O engine, if any? Cheaper than comparable power outboards. Eisboch |
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:36:36 -0400, HK wrote: Tim wrote: I've been thinking about this and haven't really come to any conclusion, But While in S. Florida this summer I was looking at the fishing boats. and of course you had your diesel or large gas powered Bluewater battlewagons, as Chuck would mention, they 40 footers with three tier tuna towers etc. But then you had the smaller center console sport fisherman craft, like the 22' - 27' Makos, Gradys, Parkers, etc Thhat were all equipped with large outboard single or dual. I was wondering why, especially in the smaller craft there was the absense of I/O's Like Mercruiser, volvo penta, etc. Anyone I've talked to has never given me a direct conclusive answer. Does it have to do with the salt water? handling charistics? etc? I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport fishing. Thats why I'm asking. THANKS! Because: Their drive system is more complicated (more turns) than an outboard, Their boots can leak offshore, causing the boat to sink, Their lower units cannot be raised completely out of the water when the boat is not being used, leading to interesting corrosion, galvanic action, and marine growth problems, Their engines tend to take up lots of fishing space in the stern of the boat, Their engines are heavier, putting more weight in the stern, Their exhaust systems and manifolds tend to rust out in five years or less. I'll add a couple mo Rubber couplers between the engine and outdrive that wear out and shred. (Usually means pulling the engine to replace) Hydraulic lines for tilt/trim that leak. Shift cables that get worn. "Flappers" that rot and seize. Can be susceptible to hydrolocking the engine if a large wave or wake hits the stern hard with the engine off ... especially after the "flappers" freeze up in the open position. Eisboch Having read all this, what is the advantage to an I/O engine, if any? They look pretty and are bigger. Size does matter. |
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On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:19:15 -0700, Tim wrote:
I've been thinking about this and haven't really come to any conclusion, But While in S. Florida this summer I was looking at the fishing boats. and of course you had your diesel or large gas powered Bluewater battlewagons, as Chuck would mention, they 40 footers with three tier tuna towers etc. But then you had the smaller center console sport fisherman craft, like the 22' - 27' Makos, Gradys, Parkers, etc Thhat were all equipped with large outboard single or dual. I was wondering why, especially in the smaller craft there was the absense of I/O's Like Mercruiser, volvo penta, etc. Anyone I've talked to has never given me a direct conclusive answer. Does it have to do with the salt water? handling charistics? etc? I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport fishing. Thats why I'm asking. THANKS! Tim, I had an I/O in my 21' Proline. I'll never have another I/O. They must be winterized and de-winterized. Changing the oil is a nightmare. In fact, almost any maintenance, other than checking the belt, is a nightmare. Replacing manifolds and risers is a pain, besides being costly. In the Ches Bay, they should be changed about every 7-8 years. I waited until the ninth year. Had to be towed in. |
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On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:31:25 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message oups.com... I've been thinking about this and haven't really come to any conclusion, But While in S. Florida this summer I was looking at the fishing boats. and of course you had your diesel or large gas powered Bluewater battlewagons, as Chuck would mention, they 40 footers with three tier tuna towers etc. But then you had the smaller center console sport fisherman craft, like the 22' - 27' Makos, Gradys, Parkers, etc Thhat were all equipped with large outboard single or dual. I was wondering why, especially in the smaller craft there was the absense of I/O's Like Mercruiser, volvo penta, etc. Anyone I've talked to has never given me a direct conclusive answer. Does it have to do with the salt water? handling charistics? etc? I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport fishing. Thats why I'm asking. THANKS! All those intermediate sport fishing boats with big outboards are owned by people that used to have an I/O. That's why. Eisboch And I'll soon be one of those! |
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On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:36:36 -0400, HK wrote:
Tim wrote: I've been thinking about this and haven't really come to any conclusion, But While in S. Florida this summer I was looking at the fishing boats. and of course you had your diesel or large gas powered Bluewater battlewagons, as Chuck would mention, they 40 footers with three tier tuna towers etc. But then you had the smaller center console sport fisherman craft, like the 22' - 27' Makos, Gradys, Parkers, etc Thhat were all equipped with large outboard single or dual. I was wondering why, especially in the smaller craft there was the absense of I/O's Like Mercruiser, volvo penta, etc. Anyone I've talked to has never given me a direct conclusive answer. Does it have to do with the salt water? handling charistics? etc? I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport fishing. Thats why I'm asking. THANKS! Because: Their drive system is more complicated (more turns) than an outboard, Their boots can leak offshore, causing the boat to sink, Their lower units cannot be raised completely out of the water when the boat is not being used, leading to interesting corrosion, galvanic action, and marine growth problems, Their engines tend to take up lots of fishing space in the stern of the boat, Their engines are heavier, putting more weight in the stern, Their exhaust systems and manifolds tend to rust out in five years or less. Tim, add what he said to what I said! |
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:36:36 -0400, HK wrote: Tim wrote: I've been thinking about this and haven't really come to any conclusion, But While in S. Florida this summer I was looking at the fishing boats. and of course you had your diesel or large gas powered Bluewater battlewagons, as Chuck would mention, they 40 footers with three tier tuna towers etc. But then you had the smaller center console sport fisherman craft, like the 22' - 27' Makos, Gradys, Parkers, etc Thhat were all equipped with large outboard single or dual. I was wondering why, especially in the smaller craft there was the absense of I/O's Like Mercruiser, volvo penta, etc. Anyone I've talked to has never given me a direct conclusive answer. Does it have to do with the salt water? handling charistics? etc? I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport fishing. Thats why I'm asking. THANKS! Because: Their drive system is more complicated (more turns) than an outboard, Their boots can leak offshore, causing the boat to sink, Their lower units cannot be raised completely out of the water when the boat is not being used, leading to interesting corrosion, galvanic action, and marine growth problems, Their engines tend to take up lots of fishing space in the stern of the boat, Their engines are heavier, putting more weight in the stern, Their exhaust systems and manifolds tend to rust out in five years or less. I'll add a couple mo Rubber couplers between the engine and outdrive that wear out and shred. (Usually means pulling the engine to replace) Hydraulic lines for tilt/trim that leak. Shift cables that get worn. "Flappers" that rot and seize. Can be susceptible to hydrolocking the engine if a large wave or wake hits the stern hard with the engine off ... especially after the "flappers" freeze up in the open position. Eisboch Having read all this, what is the advantage to an I/O engine, if any? Cost. You can get a complete boat, motor, trailer with a 135hp Mercruiser Alpha 1 or 135hp Volvo-Penta SX for the price of just the 4 stroke or E-Tec outboard engine in that horsepower range. Rob |
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On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:05:40 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message m... On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:36:36 -0400, HK wrote: Tim wrote: I've been thinking about this and haven't really come to any conclusion, But While in S. Florida this summer I was looking at the fishing boats. and of course you had your diesel or large gas powered Bluewater battlewagons, as Chuck would mention, they 40 footers with three tier tuna towers etc. But then you had the smaller center console sport fisherman craft, like the 22' - 27' Makos, Gradys, Parkers, etc Thhat were all equipped with large outboard single or dual. I was wondering why, especially in the smaller craft there was the absense of I/O's Like Mercruiser, volvo penta, etc. Anyone I've talked to has never given me a direct conclusive answer. Does it have to do with the salt water? handling charistics? etc? I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport fishing. Thats why I'm asking. THANKS! Because: Their drive system is more complicated (more turns) than an outboard, Their boots can leak offshore, causing the boat to sink, Their lower units cannot be raised completely out of the water when the boat is not being used, leading to interesting corrosion, galvanic action, and marine growth problems, Their engines tend to take up lots of fishing space in the stern of the boat, Their engines are heavier, putting more weight in the stern, Their exhaust systems and manifolds tend to rust out in five years or less. I'll add a couple mo Rubber couplers between the engine and outdrive that wear out and shred. (Usually means pulling the engine to replace) Hydraulic lines for tilt/trim that leak. Shift cables that get worn. "Flappers" that rot and seize. Can be susceptible to hydrolocking the engine if a large wave or wake hits the stern hard with the engine off ... especially after the "flappers" freeze up in the open position. Eisboch Having read all this, what is the advantage to an I/O engine, if any? They'd probably make a good anchor. They're cheaper to replace. A rebuild can be had for around $3K to $5K. |
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On Oct 3, 2:16 pm, "Brad Darnell" wrote:
As a previous owner of a 200hp Evinrude on a bass boat all I can say is it was the biggest pile of junk I have ever owned in my life. It put me out of the bass fishing craze. Wouldn't idle and blew ever 25 hours. It wasn't long after that time that Evinrude went under. In two summers it had 3 power heads put on at a cool 12k a piece, two under warranty and one after I unloaded it to a car dealership owner. Later, Brad"HK" wrote in message ... Tim wrote: I've been thinking about this and haven't really come to any conclusion, But While in S. Florida this summer I was looking at the fishing boats. and of course you had your diesel or large gas powered Bluewater battlewagons, as Chuck would mention, they 40 footers with three tier tuna towers etc. But then you had the smaller center console sport fisherman craft, like the 22' - 27' Makos, Gradys, Parkers, etc Thhat were all equipped with large outboard single or dual. I was wondering why, especially in the smaller craft there was the absense of I/O's Like Mercruiser, volvo penta, etc. Anyone I've talked to has never given me a direct conclusive answer. Does it have to do with the salt water? handling charistics? etc? I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport fishing. Thats why I'm asking. THANKS! Because: Their drive system is more complicated (more turns) than an outboard, Their boots can leak offshore, causing the boat to sink, Their lower units cannot be raised completely out of the water when the boat is not being used, leading to interesting corrosion, galvanic action, and marine growth problems, Their engines tend to take up lots of fishing space in the stern of the boat, Their engines are heavier, putting more weight in the stern, Their exhaust systems and manifolds tend to rust out in five years or less.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Brad, was it a Ficht? |
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"Tim" wrote in message ups.com... On Oct 3, 2:16 pm, "Brad Darnell" wrote: As a previous owner of a 200hp Evinrude on a bass boat all I can say is it was the biggest pile of junk I have ever owned in my life. It put me out of the bass fishing craze. Wouldn't idle and blew ever 25 hours. It wasn't long after that time that Evinrude went under. In two summers it had 3 power heads put on at a cool 12k a piece, two under warranty and one after I unloaded it to a car dealership owner. Later, Brad"HK" wrote in message ... Tim wrote: I've been thinking about this and haven't really come to any conclusion, But While in S. Florida this summer I was looking at the fishing boats. and of course you had your diesel or large gas powered Bluewater battlewagons, as Chuck would mention, they 40 footers with three tier tuna towers etc. But then you had the smaller center console sport fisherman craft, like the 22' - 27' Makos, Gradys, Parkers, etc Thhat were all equipped with large outboard single or dual. I was wondering why, especially in the smaller craft there was the absense of I/O's Like Mercruiser, volvo penta, etc. Anyone I've talked to has never given me a direct conclusive answer. Does it have to do with the salt water? handling charistics? etc? I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport fishing. Thats why I'm asking. THANKS! Because: Their drive system is more complicated (more turns) than an outboard, Their boots can leak offshore, causing the boat to sink, Their lower units cannot be raised completely out of the water when the boat is not being used, leading to interesting corrosion, galvanic action, and marine growth problems, Their engines tend to take up lots of fishing space in the stern of the boat, Their engines are heavier, putting more weight in the stern, Their exhaust systems and manifolds tend to rust out in five years or less.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Brad, was it a Ficht? Ficht is the predecessor to the eTec. Ficht is probably to single most reason for the demise of Evinrude, |
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"D.Duck" wrote in message ... "Tim" wrote in message ups.com... On Oct 3, 2:16 pm, "Brad Darnell" wrote: As a previous owner of a 200hp Evinrude on a bass boat all I can say is it was the biggest pile of junk I have ever owned in my life. It put me out of the bass fishing craze. Wouldn't idle and blew ever 25 hours. It wasn't long after that time that Evinrude went under. In two summers it had 3 power heads put on at a cool 12k a piece, two under warranty and one after I unloaded it to a car dealership owner. Later, Brad"HK" wrote in message ... Tim wrote: I've been thinking about this and haven't really come to any conclusion, But While in S. Florida this summer I was looking at the fishing boats. and of course you had your diesel or large gas powered Bluewater battlewagons, as Chuck would mention, they 40 footers with three tier tuna towers etc. But then you had the smaller center console sport fisherman craft, like the 22' - 27' Makos, Gradys, Parkers, etc Thhat were all equipped with large outboard single or dual. I was wondering why, especially in the smaller craft there was the absense of I/O's Like Mercruiser, volvo penta, etc. Anyone I've talked to has never given me a direct conclusive answer. Does it have to do with the salt water? handling charistics? etc? I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport fishing. Thats why I'm asking. THANKS! Because: Their drive system is more complicated (more turns) than an outboard, Their boots can leak offshore, causing the boat to sink, Their lower units cannot be raised completely out of the water when the boat is not being used, leading to interesting corrosion, galvanic action, and marine growth problems, Their engines tend to take up lots of fishing space in the stern of the boat, Their engines are heavier, putting more weight in the stern, Their exhaust systems and manifolds tend to rust out in five years or less.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Brad, was it a Ficht? Ficht is the predecessor to the eTec. Ficht is probably to single most reason for the demise of Evinrude, Oooops, misread your question. I first read as you asking "what is" a Ficht. Old age is hell! |
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On Oct 3, 5:24 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message ... "Tim" wrote in message oups.com... On Oct 3, 2:16 pm, "Brad Darnell" wrote: As a previous owner of a 200hp Evinrude on a bass boat all I can say is it was the biggest pile of junk I have ever owned in my life. It put me out of the bass fishing craze. Wouldn't idle and blew ever 25 hours. It wasn't long after that time that Evinrude went under. In two summers it had 3 power heads put on at a cool 12k a piece, two under warranty and one after I unloaded it to a car dealership owner. Later, Brad"HK" wrote in message ... Tim wrote: I've been thinking about this and haven't really come to any conclusion, But While in S. Florida this summer I was looking at the fishing boats. and of course you had your diesel or large gas powered Bluewater battlewagons, as Chuck would mention, they 40 footers with three tier tuna towers etc. But then you had the smaller center console sport fisherman craft, like the 22' - 27' Makos, Gradys, Parkers, etc Thhat were all equipped with large outboard single or dual. I was wondering why, especially in the smaller craft there was the absense of I/O's Like Mercruiser, volvo penta, etc. Anyone I've talked to has never given me a direct conclusive answer. Does it have to do with the salt water? handling charistics? etc? I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport fishing. Thats why I'm asking. THANKS! Because: Their drive system is more complicated (more turns) than an outboard, Their boots can leak offshore, causing the boat to sink, Their lower units cannot be raised completely out of the water when the boat is not being used, leading to interesting corrosion, galvanic action, and marine growth problems, Their engines tend to take up lots of fishing space in the stern of the boat, Their engines are heavier, putting more weight in the stern, Their exhaust systems and manifolds tend to rust out in five years or less.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Brad, was it a Ficht? Ficht is the predecessor to the eTec. Ficht is probably to single most reason for the demise of Evinrude, Oooops, misread your question. I first read as you asking "what is" a Ficht. Old age is hell!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No problem there. Yeah, between the Ficht (from what I gather) and the old stringer I/O's, I'd say OMC made some really poor decisions. |
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On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 16:20:22 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
Cheaper than comparable power outboards. And repairable by ordinary mortals. |
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On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:19:15 -0700, Tim wrote:
I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport fishing. You've pretty much gotten most of the "issues", but truth be told, there really isn't much difference in complexity between a modern outboard and I/Os. On some boats, the major consideration is cockpit space and I/Os can take up precious room in a smaller boat if there isn't sufficient bilge to give you floor space. On a center console less than 23 feet, there will be a reduction in space and around 20 feet, you won't have any space to speak of. 23 foot and above, you can stuff a I/O engine in the bilge, but space will be at a premium which makes it more difficult to maintain the engine - everything from oil changes to simple repairs become more complicated due to space problems. Basically that's the real reason - space. |
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On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 10:02:30 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:19:15 -0700, Tim wrote: I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport fishing. You've pretty much gotten most of the "issues", but truth be told, there really isn't much difference in complexity between a modern outboard and I/Os. On some boats, the major consideration is cockpit space and I/Os can take up precious room in a smaller boat if there isn't sufficient bilge to give you floor space. On a center console less than 23 feet, there will be a reduction in space and around 20 feet, you won't have any space to speak of. 23 foot and above, you can stuff a I/O engine in the bilge, but space will be at a premium which makes it more difficult to maintain the engine - everything from oil changes to simple repairs become more complicated due to space problems. Basically that's the real reason - space. OK, to be honest, the engine cover isn't all bad. If it's made decently, as it was in the Proline, then it becomes a great place to sit, a 'table for cutting bait, etc., and a place to stand and wave distress flags from when your engine stops. |
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On Oct 4, 7:09 am, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 10:02:30 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:19:15 -0700, Tim wrote: I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport fishing. You've pretty much gotten most of the "issues", but truth be told, there really isn't much difference in complexity between a modern outboard and I/Os. On some boats, the major consideration is cockpit space and I/Os can take up precious room in a smaller boat if there isn't sufficient bilge to give you floor space. On a center console less than 23 feet, there will be a reduction in space and around 20 feet, you won't have any space to speak of. 23 foot and above, you can stuff a I/O engine in the bilge, but space will be at a premium which makes it more difficult to maintain the engine - everything from oil changes to simple repairs become more complicated due to space problems. Basically that's the real reason - space. OK, to be honest, the engine cover isn't all bad. If it's made decently, as it was in the Proline, then it becomes a great place to sit, a 'table for cutting bait, etc., and a place to stand and wave distress flags from when your engine stops.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - LOL! Guys, thanks for all the replies. this thread has truely been enlightening.... I can see the advantages of an O/B, in many the case |
Outboard popularity question.
Tim wrote:
On Oct 4, 7:09 am, John H. wrote: On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 10:02:30 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:19:15 -0700, Tim wrote: I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport fishing. You've pretty much gotten most of the "issues", but truth be told, there really isn't much difference in complexity between a modern outboard and I/Os. On some boats, the major consideration is cockpit space and I/Os can take up precious room in a smaller boat if there isn't sufficient bilge to give you floor space. On a center console less than 23 feet, there will be a reduction in space and around 20 feet, you won't have any space to speak of. 23 foot and above, you can stuff a I/O engine in the bilge, but space will be at a premium which makes it more difficult to maintain the engine - everything from oil changes to simple repairs become more complicated due to space problems. Basically that's the real reason - space. OK, to be honest, the engine cover isn't all bad. If it's made decently, as it was in the Proline, then it becomes a great place to sit, a 'table for cutting bait, etc., and a place to stand and wave distress flags from when your engine stops.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - LOL! Guys, thanks for all the replies. this thread has truely been enlightening.... I can see the advantages of an O/B, in many the case To me, the real downside of an I/O is the drive and the drive's big rubber boot. The drive, because it adds complexity, and the boot because, well, use your imagination. The I/O box inside the boat is a minor problem when it is up against the transom. With a jackshaft I/O, the box is more amidships, where it can be used as a seat, stretch-out pad, table, et cetera. But you still have the damned boot. |
Outboard popularity question.
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:19:15 -0700, Tim wrote: I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport fishing. You've pretty much gotten most of the "issues", but truth be told, there really isn't much difference in complexity between a modern outboard and I/Os. The upper gear set, drive coupler, drive damper, universal joints, shift cable boot/bellows, driveshaft boot/bellows, & exhaust boot/bellows are always acting up on my outboards & need to be disassembled & serviced every two seasons at a minimum. :) Rob |
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On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 08:17:57 -0400, HK wrote:
To me, the real downside of an I/O is the drive and the drive's big rubber boot. The drive, because it adds complexity, and the boot because, well, use your imagination. We have a lot of I/Os in our area of SW Florida, including about 80% of my neighbors. Interestingly enough you don't hear about many boot problems although one neighbor did succeed in ripping the I/O clean off the transom creating a boot failure of sorts. :-) Cooling issues, manifolds and risers are near the top of the list based on what I've observed. |
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On Oct 3, 9:52 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 16:20:22 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: Cheaper than comparable power outboards. And repairable by ordinary mortals. I dunno.. I was a chevy mechanice in the 80's and found once I took a little look and got a couple of readouts from the local dealer, I have been able to do most of the maintenance on my little outboards... Another option no one has noted is an outboard, in a forward motor well. |
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On Oct 4, 12:16 pm, wrote:
On Oct 3, 9:52 pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 16:20:22 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: Cheaper than comparable power outboards. And repairable by ordinary mortals. I dunno.. I was a chevy mechanice in the 80's and found once I took a little look and got a couple of readouts from the local dealer, I have been able to do most of the maintenance on my little outboards... Another option no one has noted is an outboard, in a forward motor well. All the types of engine configurations have their pros and cons. The commercial guys mostly run full inboards. The price difference of the outboard is because it is completely produced just for marine use. The inboards and i/o's leverage the fact that part of the drive train is also used in other industries thus lowering the cost through volume. I have an i/o for my recreational trailer boat and I would not have an outboard if you gave me one. If I kept a larger boat in a slip I'd have an inboard. |
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I do believe that it was its been a few years back now.
Brad "Tim" wrote in message ups.com... On Oct 3, 2:16 pm, "Brad Darnell" wrote: As a previous owner of a 200hp Evinrude on a bass boat all I can say is it was the biggest pile of junk I have ever owned in my life. It put me out of the bass fishing craze. Wouldn't idle and blew ever 25 hours. It wasn't long after that time that Evinrude went under. In two summers it had 3 power heads put on at a cool 12k a piece, two under warranty and one after I unloaded it to a car dealership owner. Later, Brad"HK" wrote in message ... Tim wrote: I've been thinking about this and haven't really come to any conclusion, But While in S. Florida this summer I was looking at the fishing boats. and of course you had your diesel or large gas powered Bluewater battlewagons, as Chuck would mention, they 40 footers with three tier tuna towers etc. But then you had the smaller center console sport fisherman craft, like the 22' - 27' Makos, Gradys, Parkers, etc Thhat were all equipped with large outboard single or dual. I was wondering why, especially in the smaller craft there was the absense of I/O's Like Mercruiser, volvo penta, etc. Anyone I've talked to has never given me a direct conclusive answer. Does it have to do with the salt water? handling charistics? etc? I don't know why the I/O's arn't popular for intermediate sport fishing. Thats why I'm asking. THANKS! Because: Their drive system is more complicated (more turns) than an outboard, Their boots can leak offshore, causing the boat to sink, Their lower units cannot be raised completely out of the water when the boat is not being used, leading to interesting corrosion, galvanic action, and marine growth problems, Their engines tend to take up lots of fishing space in the stern of the boat, Their engines are heavier, putting more weight in the stern, Their exhaust systems and manifolds tend to rust out in five years or less.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Brad, was it a Ficht? |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... Basically that's the real reason - space. Nope. Price. Eisboch |
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On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:05:40 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:36:36 -0400, HK wrote: Tim wrote: I was wondering why, especially in the smaller craft there was the absense of I/O's Like Mercruiser, volvo penta, etc. I'll add a couple mo Rubber couplers between the engine and outdrive that wear out and shred. (Usually means pulling the engine to replace) Hydraulic lines for tilt/trim that leak. Shift cables that get worn. "Flappers" that rot and seize. Can be susceptible to hydrolocking the engine if a large wave or wake hits the stern hard with the engine off ... especially after the "flappers" freeze up in the open position. Eisboch Having read all this, what is the advantage to an I/O engine, if any? Apart from the cost, ever tried working on an outboard in a 3ft swell? And maybe it's just me, but I feel nervous bolting 500hp and 1000lb (and $50k!) to my transom. I'd rather have it firmly bolted to stringers, which are firmly attached to the keel... That said, I agree that the I/O is a pain - go full inboard! druid http://www.bcboatnet.org |
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druid wrote:
On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:05:40 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:36:36 -0400, HK wrote: Tim wrote: I was wondering why, especially in the smaller craft there was the absense of I/O's Like Mercruiser, volvo penta, etc. I'll add a couple mo Rubber couplers between the engine and outdrive that wear out and shred. (Usually means pulling the engine to replace) Hydraulic lines for tilt/trim that leak. Shift cables that get worn. "Flappers" that rot and seize. Can be susceptible to hydrolocking the engine if a large wave or wake hits the stern hard with the engine off ... especially after the "flappers" freeze up in the open position. Eisboch Having read all this, what is the advantage to an I/O engine, if any? Apart from the cost, ever tried working on an outboard in a 3ft swell? And maybe it's just me, but I feel nervous bolting 500hp and 1000lb (and $50k!) to my transom. I'd rather have it firmly bolted to stringers, which are firmly attached to the keel... That said, I agree that the I/O is a pain - go full inboard! druid http://www.bcboatnet.org I agree with that, even on smaller boats, so long as they have some sort of keel/prop pocket underneath and fresh water cooling. |
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On Oct 4, 10:22 am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 08:17:57 -0400, HK wrote: To me, the real downside of an I/O is the drive and the drive's big rubber boot. The drive, because it adds complexity, and the boot because, well, use your imagination. We have a lot of I/Os in our area of SW Florida, including about 80% of my neighbors. Interestingly enough you don't hear about many boot problems although one neighbor did succeed in ripping the I/O clean off the transom creating a boot failure of sorts. :-) Cooling issues, manifolds and risers are near the top of the list based on what I've observed. I was going to say,t hat if I had an I/O on salt, I'd want an enclosed cooling system, but still pull the boat after every use, and flush the lower end with fresh water. |
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"HK" wrote in message . .. I agree with that, even on smaller boats, so long as they have some sort of keel/prop pocket underneath and fresh water cooling. http://www.eisboch.com/rudder.jpg Eisboch |
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On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 20:35:42 -0700, Tim wrote:
On Oct 4, 10:22 am, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 08:17:57 -0400, HK wrote: To me, the real downside of an I/O is the drive and the drive's big rubber boot. The drive, because it adds complexity, and the boot because, well, use your imagination. We have a lot of I/Os in our area of SW Florida, including about 80% of my neighbors. Interestingly enough you don't hear about many boot problems although one neighbor did succeed in ripping the I/O clean off the transom creating a boot failure of sorts. :-) Cooling issues, manifolds and risers are near the top of the list based on what I've observed. I was going to say,t hat if I had an I/O on salt, I'd want an enclosed cooling system, but still pull the boat after every use, and flush the lower end with fresh water. I googled marine cooling and this is one of my responses: http://tinyurl.com/cqhmu Some good info on cooling systems he http://tinyurl.com/yozrfc I wish I'd known about the fresh water systems when I bought the boat. I don't know why they aren't the standard, although they may be the standard now. I wonder how much more difficult changing the oil filter becomes with all that extra piping and the exchanger mounted over the engine? |
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On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 02:43:54 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... I agree with that, even on smaller boats, so long as they have some sort of keel/prop pocket underneath and fresh water cooling. http://www.eisboch.com/rudder.jpg Eisboch That's without doubt the most beautiful rudder I've seen all morning. I can't believe you pulled the boat out just to get a picture of the rudder to respond to that post! |
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"John H." wrote in message ... On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 20:35:42 -0700, Tim wrote: On Oct 4, 10:22 am, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 08:17:57 -0400, HK wrote: To me, the real downside of an I/O is the drive and the drive's big rubber boot. The drive, because it adds complexity, and the boot because, well, use your imagination. We have a lot of I/Os in our area of SW Florida, including about 80% of my neighbors. Interestingly enough you don't hear about many boot problems although one neighbor did succeed in ripping the I/O clean off the transom creating a boot failure of sorts. :-) Cooling issues, manifolds and risers are near the top of the list based on what I've observed. I was going to say,t hat if I had an I/O on salt, I'd want an enclosed cooling system, but still pull the boat after every use, and flush the lower end with fresh water. I googled marine cooling and this is one of my responses: http://tinyurl.com/cqhmu Some good info on cooling systems he http://tinyurl.com/yozrfc I wish I'd known about the fresh water systems when I bought the boat. I don't know why they aren't the standard, although they may be the standard now. I wonder how much more difficult changing the oil filter becomes with all that extra piping and the exchanger mounted over the engine? My heat exchanger is on top of the motor, just inside the port riser. Changing the oil filter is no more problem than a raw water cooled motor. Major reason that freshwater cooling is not standard, is it adds about $1000 to the cost of the motor. The Exchanger itself is about $6-700. |
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On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 23:35:23 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 20:35:42 -0700, Tim wrote: On Oct 4, 10:22 am, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 08:17:57 -0400, HK wrote: To me, the real downside of an I/O is the drive and the drive's big rubber boot. The drive, because it adds complexity, and the boot because, well, use your imagination. We have a lot of I/Os in our area of SW Florida, including about 80% of my neighbors. Interestingly enough you don't hear about many boot problems although one neighbor did succeed in ripping the I/O clean off the transom creating a boot failure of sorts. :-) Cooling issues, manifolds and risers are near the top of the list based on what I've observed. I was going to say,t hat if I had an I/O on salt, I'd want an enclosed cooling system, but still pull the boat after every use, and flush the lower end with fresh water. I googled marine cooling and this is one of my responses: http://tinyurl.com/cqhmu Some good info on cooling systems he http://tinyurl.com/yozrfc I wish I'd known about the fresh water systems when I bought the boat. I don't know why they aren't the standard, although they may be the standard now. I wonder how much more difficult changing the oil filter becomes with all that extra piping and the exchanger mounted over the engine? My heat exchanger is on top of the motor, just inside the port riser. Changing the oil filter is no more problem than a raw water cooled motor. Major reason that freshwater cooling is not standard, is it adds about $1000 to the cost of the motor. The Exchanger itself is about $6-700. Looking back now, I'd gladly pay the extra $1000 if the benefits are as described. New manifolds and risers run about $6-700 also. |
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John H
On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 23:35:23 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: "John H." wrote in message . .. On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 20:35:42 -0700, Tim wrote: On Oct 4, 10:22 am, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 08:17:57 -0400, HK wrote: To me, the real downside of an I/O is the drive and the drive's big rubber boot. The drive, because it adds complexity, and the boot because, well, use your imagination. We have a lot of I/Os in our area of SW Florida, including about 80% of my neighbors. Interestingly enough you don't hear about many boot problems although one neighbor did succeed in ripping the I/O clean off the transom creating a boot failure of sorts. :-) Cooling issues, manifolds and risers are near the top of the list based on what I've observed. I was going to say,t hat if I had an I/O on salt, I'd want an enclosed cooling system, but still pull the boat after every use, and flush the lower end with fresh water. I googled marine cooling and this is one of my responses: http://tinyurl.com/cqhmu Some good info on cooling systems he http://tinyurl.com/yozrfc I wish I'd known about the fresh water systems when I bought the boat. I don't know why they aren't the standard, although they may be the standard now. I wonder how much more difficult changing the oil filter becomes with all that extra piping and the exchanger mounted over the engine? My heat exchanger is on top of the motor, just inside the port riser. Changing the oil filter is no more problem than a raw water cooled motor. Major reason that freshwater cooling is not standard, is it adds about $1000 to the cost of the motor. The Exchanger itself is about $6-700. Looking back now, I'd gladly pay the extra $1000 if the benefits are as described. New manifolds and risers run about $6-700 also. I sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but, IIRC, the fresh water cools only the engine. Salt water is still used to cool the fresh water (in the heat exchanger). It is pumped in from the sea with the standard water pump in the lower unit and returns to the sea by way of the exhaust manifold(s), just like standard cooling. So if you're thinking you'd be saving the manifolds from seawater's rust and corrosion, you'd be wrong (if I'm right in my recollection). Rick |
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wrote in message ... John H On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 23:35:23 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 20:35:42 -0700, Tim wrote: On Oct 4, 10:22 am, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 08:17:57 -0400, HK wrote: To me, the real downside of an I/O is the drive and the drive's big rubber boot. The drive, because it adds complexity, and the boot because, well, use your imagination. We have a lot of I/Os in our area of SW Florida, including about 80% of my neighbors. Interestingly enough you don't hear about many boot problems although one neighbor did succeed in ripping the I/O clean off the transom creating a boot failure of sorts. :-) Cooling issues, manifolds and risers are near the top of the list based on what I've observed. I was going to say,t hat if I had an I/O on salt, I'd want an enclosed cooling system, but still pull the boat after every use, and flush the lower end with fresh water. I googled marine cooling and this is one of my responses: http://tinyurl.com/cqhmu Some good info on cooling systems he http://tinyurl.com/yozrfc I wish I'd known about the fresh water systems when I bought the boat. I don't know why they aren't the standard, although they may be the standard now. I wonder how much more difficult changing the oil filter becomes with all that extra piping and the exchanger mounted over the engine? My heat exchanger is on top of the motor, just inside the port riser. Changing the oil filter is no more problem than a raw water cooled motor. Major reason that freshwater cooling is not standard, is it adds about $1000 to the cost of the motor. The Exchanger itself is about $6-700. Looking back now, I'd gladly pay the extra $1000 if the benefits are as described. New manifolds and risers run about $6-700 also. I sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but, IIRC, the fresh water cools only the engine. Salt water is still used to cool the fresh water (in the heat exchanger). It is pumped in from the sea with the standard water pump in the lower unit and returns to the sea by way of the exhaust manifold(s), just like standard cooling. So if you're thinking you'd be saving the manifolds from seawater's rust and corrosion, you'd be wrong (if I'm right in my recollection). Rick You can have freshwater cooled or raw water cooled manifolds. Mine are freshwater cooled. On the freshwater, there is a plate blocking off the risers and the raw water cools them. So just the risers have to be replaced. Mine are aluminum, and the last ones lasted 14 years. |
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On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 20:39:05 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote: On the freshwater, there is a plate blocking off the risers and the raw water cools them. So just the risers have to be replaced. Mine are aluminum, and the last ones lasted 14 years. I assume that is in fresh water, not salt? |
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