"HK" wrote in message
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But the Yamahas give him a chance to buy into solid, four cycle outboard
technology!


Nothing more solid than a pair of four cycle diesels. Or even two cycle, if
anybody still makes 'em.

Eisboch

On Sep 27, 2:56 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

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On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:12:11 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

When I saw you were thinking about twin F350's I thought it might be
overkill, until I saw the boat.

I'd go for the triples 350s if you really want outboards. It should
still run on plane with 2, problematic with one. You can always tilt
up the middle and run on twins for "economy" mode, such as it is.
Personally I'd prefer twin inboard diesels on a boat that size.

I agree. It's funny that for a guy who drives and appreciates a diesel
powered truck,

Not anymore

SWF seems to have an aversion to diesel powered boats. It's
not all about speed offshore as the boats get bigger, although with the
right turbo diesels, he'd have plenty of it.

Diesel inboards would be better for close quarter handling, fuel economy
and, (arguably) reliability for long runs.

Eisboch

wrote:
On Sep 27, 2:56 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

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On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:12:11 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
When I saw you were thinking about twin F350's I thought it might be
overkill, until I saw the boat.
I'd go for the triples 350s if you really want outboards. It should
still run on plane with 2, problematic with one. You can always tilt
up the middle and run on twins for "economy" mode, such as it is.
Personally I'd prefer twin inboard diesels on a boat that size.
I agree. It's funny that for a guy who drives and appreciates a diesel
powered truck,

Not anymore

SWF seems to have an aversion to diesel powered boats. It's
not all about speed offshore as the boats get bigger, although with the
right turbo diesels, he'd have plenty of it.

Diesel inboards would be better for close quarter handling, fuel economy
and, (arguably) reliability for long runs.

Eisboch





If I were in the market for an offshore fishing boat in that size
category, I'd want a heavier boat with twin diesels. Maybe something
like this:

http://www.badmarine.com/New%20Boats.html

On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:56:49 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:12:11 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

When I saw you were thinking about twin F350's I thought it might be
overkill, until I saw the boat.

I'd go for the triples 350s if you really want outboards. It should
still run on plane with 2, problematic with one. You can always tilt
up the middle and run on twins for "economy" mode, such as it is.
Personally I'd prefer twin inboard diesels on a boat that size.

I agree. It's funny that for a guy who drives and appreciates a diesel
powered truck, SWF seems to have an aversion to diesel powered boats. It's
not all about speed offshore as the boats get bigger, although with the
right turbo diesels, he'd have plenty of it.

Diesel inboards would be better for close quarter handling, fuel economy
and, (arguably) reliability for long runs.

I'm not adverse to diesels. Correctly or incorrectly, my view is that
for boats of this style and type, outboards are the better choice.

Now if I were to purchase a boat like your Navigator, Chuck's
Sundowner or Wayne's GB - heck, Mrs. E's GB for that matter, then
diesels are the correct choice.

However, for a boat styled like the Contender, and considering the
type of running I like to do and given the length, in my opinion
outboards are a better choice for what I do, how I work and the type
of fishing that I prefer to do offshore.

Having said that, if I were to purchase a 48/50' class Hatteras,
Bertie or Viking - that type of boat, then definetly diesels.

For this size and type of boat, I'm not at all convinced that diesels
offer any more of an advantage.

I could be mistaken in my belief and would be perfectly willing to go
the diesel route given the same level of performance. I have been on
a new 32' Topaz and all things considered, felt just so-so with the
overall performance.

I just think that for this type boat, and the way I tend to run the
boat, outboards are the preferred power system.

By the way, I disagree with the close quarter manuevering, but that's
another discussion.

On Sep 27, 5:22 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:


Having said that, if I were to purchase a 48/50' class Hatteras,
Bertie or Viking - that type of boat, then definetly diesels.

You mean, there AORE other power options on a craft that size?

For this size and type of boat, I'm not at all convinced that diesels
offer any more of an advantage.

How about jet turbines?

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:56:49 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:12:11 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

When I saw you were thinking about twin F350's I thought it might be
overkill, until I saw the boat.

I'd go for the triples 350s if you really want outboards. It should
still run on plane with 2, problematic with one. You can always tilt
up the middle and run on twins for "economy" mode, such as it is.
Personally I'd prefer twin inboard diesels on a boat that size.

I agree. It's funny that for a guy who drives and appreciates a diesel
powered truck, SWF seems to have an aversion to diesel powered boats.
It's
not all about speed offshore as the boats get bigger, although with the
right turbo diesels, he'd have plenty of it.

Diesel inboards would be better for close quarter handling, fuel economy
and, (arguably) reliability for long runs.

I'm not adverse to diesels. Correctly or incorrectly, my view is that
for boats of this style and type, outboards are the better choice.

Now if I were to purchase a boat like your Navigator, Chuck's
Sundowner or Wayne's GB - heck, Mrs. E's GB for that matter, then
diesels are the correct choice.

However, for a boat styled like the Contender, and considering the
type of running I like to do and given the length, in my opinion
outboards are a better choice for what I do, how I work and the type
of fishing that I prefer to do offshore.

Having said that, if I were to purchase a 48/50' class Hatteras,
Bertie or Viking - that type of boat, then definetly diesels.

For this size and type of boat, I'm not at all convinced that diesels
offer any more of an advantage.

I could be mistaken in my belief and would be perfectly willing to go
the diesel route given the same level of performance. I have been on
a new 32' Topaz and all things considered, felt just so-so with the
overall performance.

I just think that for this type boat, and the way I tend to run the
boat, outboards are the preferred power system.

By the way, I disagree with the close quarter manuevering, but that's
another discussion.

The bigger jetboats have started to go to diesels. Yanmars and Cummins.
The owners have raved about the power and fuel economy. Pricision Weld and
Hells Canyon Marine (HCM) have both sold them

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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For this size and type of boat, I'm not at all convinced that diesels
offer any more of an advantage.

I could be mistaken in my belief and would be perfectly willing to go
the diesel route given the same level of performance. I have been on
a new 32' Topaz and all things considered, felt just so-so with the
overall performance.

I just think that for this type boat, and the way I tend to run the
boat, outboards are the preferred power system.



There's a female in Australia selling big diesel outboards.

Eisboch

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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By the way, I disagree with the close quarter manuevering, but that's
another discussion.


You may be correct as I confess I've never tried backing a larger, twin
outboard type boat into a narrow slip. I am going more by observation of
others.

The boat beside the GB in Scituate is a 34 foot something or other with twin
Yamaha 300 outboards. I've assisted the owner several times this summer
(grabbing a line) as he returns to his slip and attempts to back into his
slip. It seems to me that with outboards the props are too far back and
too close together to effectively spin the boat or easily move the stern
around as compared to twin inboards. He typically also has to use the helm
to get some vectored thrust as well as add some well timed throttle. To me,
this just adds to the overall complexity of docking. With twin inboards, I
don't touch the helm and do all the stern adjustments with the
transmissions, only occasionally added a bit of throttle to counteract wind
or current.

Now, the GB is a whole different story ......

Eisboch

On Sep 27, 4:12 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

When I saw you were thinking about twin F350's I thought it might be
overkill, until I saw the boat.


I thought he was talking matching Ford diesel pick up trucks.

One for he, and one for the miss's

On Sep 26, 5:28?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
http://www.contender.com/boats.aspx?id=494

Pobbisly with F350s - I want to test drive a few first before I make
up my mind on power.

If you would consider "settling" for a 36 footer instead of the 38,
this might be a good buy. Only 200 hours on this 2 year old boat.
Under $250k. Not all that far from you, either.

http://yachtworld.com/core/listing/b...id=4184&url =