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On Sep 12, 4:47 pm, donquijote1954
wrote: On Sep 12, 5:11 pm, John Kuthe wrote: On Sep 12, 3:57 pm, donquijote1954 wrote: On Sep 9, 10:33 pm, John Kuthe wrote: On Sep 9, 9:22 pm, donquijote1954 wrote: On Sep 9, 5:48 pm, "rich" wrote: I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to cut cable. Unless you're lucky enough to own a Hobie Cat with wider holes for pedal drives that allow a real heavy duty chain with protector and all, such as I got on my scooter. Such a chain is 100 bucks, but I can rest assured that the boat will always be there. There is no such thing as a 100% effective security chain or cable. Any chain or cable can be cut by the properly equipped thief. Security chains and cables are only used to keep the relatively "honest" people honest. The only 100% effective way to not have something stolen is to not own it!! ;-) John Kuthe... Sorry that I had to be away a couple of days. Anyways, here are my thoughts... I consider something "safe" when breaking it would make it so visible or so noisy as to deter 99% of thieves. Kayaks fit in the former category: They are usually too visible to walk away with (compared to, say, bikes), though my ex wife's Ocean Kayak Drifter just "walked away" in the middle of the night. Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem, possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that they can sleep well. ;) Oxyacetylene cutting torches are not noisy, and can cut any steel made, no matter how hard or tough. Yeah, I agree. The Python cables are pretty good protection (PGP? ;-) ) I have one for my bicycle, and I use it! :-) Sorry to say that my last stolen bike was taken with a Python and all (the weaker of the two). I even saw the "rat" roll away with it, and waved it goodbye. Did the "rat" cut the cable, or was it just not securely locked up? I had a bike stolen once locked to a signpost with a Kryptonite lock. Locked the bike through the rear wheel and frame, and the signpost, the latter of which was pulled out of the ground! Which meant they stole the bike with a Kryptonite lock around it's rear wheel and frame. Funny part was, it was the biggest piece of **** bile I had ever ridden! The gears would not shift, the chain slipped on the chainring, the brakes didn't work, etc. I had borrowed it from a housemate of mine to ride shuttle on a 2 person one car kayaking trip. So when this particular "rat" cut the Kryptonite lock off the bike, he (she?) discovered they stole the biggest piece of **** bike ever! HA! I paid my housemate $50 for her bike anyway. My fault it was stolen. John Kuthe... |
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On Sep 12, 5:18 pm, bjorri wrote:
John Kuthe wrote: On Sep 12, 3:57 pm, donquijote1954 wrote: Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem, possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that they can sleep well. ;) Oxyacetylene cutting torches are not noisy, and can cut any steel made, no matter how hard or tough. Yeah, I agree. The Python cables are pretty good protection (PGP? ;-) ) I have one for my bicycle, and I use it! :-) John Kuthe... But how do you connect a cable to a kayak in a solid way? I'm trying to figure it out. U-locks are considered the only safe way for bikes. |
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On Sep 12, 6:14 pm, John Kuthe wrote:
On Sep 12, 4:47 pm, donquijote1954 wrote: On Sep 12, 5:11 pm, John Kuthe wrote: On Sep 12, 3:57 pm, donquijote1954 wrote: On Sep 9, 10:33 pm, John Kuthe wrote: On Sep 9, 9:22 pm, donquijote1954 wrote: On Sep 9, 5:48 pm, "rich" wrote: I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to cut cable. Unless you're lucky enough to own a Hobie Cat with wider holes for pedal drives that allow a real heavy duty chain with protector and all, such as I got on my scooter. Such a chain is 100 bucks, but I can rest assured that the boat will always be there. There is no such thing as a 100% effective security chain or cable. Any chain or cable can be cut by the properly equipped thief. Security chains and cables are only used to keep the relatively "honest" people honest. The only 100% effective way to not have something stolen is to not own it!! ;-) John Kuthe... Sorry that I had to be away a couple of days. Anyways, here are my thoughts... I consider something "safe" when breaking it would make it so visible or so noisy as to deter 99% of thieves. Kayaks fit in the former category: They are usually too visible to walk away with (compared to, say, bikes), though my ex wife's Ocean Kayak Drifter just "walked away" in the middle of the night. Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem, possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that they can sleep well. ;) Oxyacetylene cutting torches are not noisy, and can cut any steel made, no matter how hard or tough. Yeah, I agree. The Python cables are pretty good protection (PGP? ;-) ) I have one for my bicycle, and I use it! :-) Sorry to say that my last stolen bike was taken with a Python and all (the weaker of the two). I even saw the "rat" roll away with it, and waved it goodbye. Did the "rat" cut the cable, or was it just not securely locked up? I had a bike stolen once locked to a signpost with a Kryptonite lock. Locked the bike through the rear wheel and frame, and the signpost, the latter of which was pulled out of the ground! Which meant they stole the bike with a Kryptonite lock around it's rear wheel and frame. Funny part was, it was the biggest piece of **** bile I had ever ridden! The gears would not shift, the chain slipped on the chainring, the brakes didn't work, etc. I had borrowed it from a housemate of mine to ride shuttle on a 2 person one car kayaking trip. So when this particular "rat" cut the Kryptonite lock off the bike, he (she?) discovered they stole the biggest piece of **** bike ever! HA! I paid my housemate $50 for her bike anyway. My fault it was stolen. John Kuthe...- No bicycle and no cable, so I assume he must have sold it without key. To tie a dog perhaps. :) |
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On Sep 12, 6:14 pm, John Kuthe wrote:
On Sep 12, 4:47 pm, donquijote1954 wrote: On Sep 12, 5:11 pm, John Kuthe wrote: On Sep 12, 3:57 pm, donquijote1954 wrote: On Sep 9, 10:33 pm, John Kuthe wrote: On Sep 9, 9:22 pm, donquijote1954 wrote: On Sep 9, 5:48 pm, "rich" wrote: I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to cut cable. Unless you're lucky enough to own a Hobie Cat with wider holes for pedal drives that allow a real heavy duty chain with protector and all, such as I got on my scooter. Such a chain is 100 bucks, but I can rest assured that the boat will always be there. There is no such thing as a 100% effective security chain or cable. Any chain or cable can be cut by the properly equipped thief. Security chains and cables are only used to keep the relatively "honest" people honest. The only 100% effective way to not have something stolen is to not own it!! ;-) John Kuthe... Sorry that I had to be away a couple of days. Anyways, here are my thoughts... I consider something "safe" when breaking it would make it so visible or so noisy as to deter 99% of thieves. Kayaks fit in the former category: They are usually too visible to walk away with (compared to, say, bikes), though my ex wife's Ocean Kayak Drifter just "walked away" in the middle of the night. Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem, possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that they can sleep well. ;) Oxyacetylene cutting torches are not noisy, and can cut any steel made, no matter how hard or tough. Yeah, I agree. The Python cables are pretty good protection (PGP? ;-) ) I have one for my bicycle, and I use it! :-) Sorry to say that my last stolen bike was taken with a Python and all (the weaker of the two). I even saw the "rat" roll away with it, and waved it goodbye. Did the "rat" cut the cable, or was it just not securely locked up? I didn't read that part... The cable was securely locked to the bike rack which wasn't cut, so somehow he cut the cable or broke the lock. Why he took it, I don't know. I still bought the same cable to secure a cheaper kayak I got because I like the feature that Pythons are adjustable. And will get the better cable for another one more costly and the chain for the one super expensive down the line. I'm talking about permanent storing in fairly safe neighborhoods. Not many rats around. |
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On Sep 12, 7:20 pm, donquijote1954
wrote: On Sep 12, 6:14 pm, John Kuthe wrote: On Sep 12, 4:47 pm, donquijote1954 wrote: On Sep 12, 5:11 pm, John Kuthe wrote: On Sep 12, 3:57 pm, donquijote1954 wrote: On Sep 9, 10:33 pm, John Kuthe wrote: On Sep 9, 9:22 pm, donquijote1954 wrote: On Sep 9, 5:48 pm, "rich" wrote: I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to cut cable. Unless you're lucky enough to own a Hobie Cat with wider holes for pedal drives that allow a real heavy duty chain with protector and all, such as I got on my scooter. Such a chain is 100 bucks, but I can rest assured that the boat will always be there. There is no such thing as a 100% effective security chain or cable. Any chain or cable can be cut by the properly equipped thief. Security chains and cables are only used to keep the relatively "honest" people honest. The only 100% effective way to not have something stolen is to not own it!! ;-) John Kuthe... Sorry that I had to be away a couple of days. Anyways, here are my thoughts... I consider something "safe" when breaking it would make it so visible or so noisy as to deter 99% of thieves. Kayaks fit in the former category: They are usually too visible to walk away with (compared to, say, bikes), though my ex wife's Ocean Kayak Drifter just "walked away" in the middle of the night. Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem, possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that they can sleep well. ;) Oxyacetylene cutting torches are not noisy, and can cut any steel made, no matter how hard or tough. Yeah, I agree. The Python cables are pretty good protection (PGP? ;-) ) I have one for my bicycle, and I use it! :-) Sorry to say that my last stolen bike was taken with a Python and all (the weaker of the two). I even saw the "rat" roll away with it, and waved it goodbye. Did the "rat" cut the cable, or was it just not securely locked up? I didn't read that part... The cable was securely locked to the bike rack which wasn't cut, so somehow he cut the cable or broke the lock. Why he took it, I don't know. That makes little to no sense. "The cable was securely locked to the bike rack which wasn't cut." Which wasn't cut, the cable or the bike rack? The cable, I'm assuming, because to cut a bike rack sounds almost impossible. And if "The cable was securely locked to the bike rack...", the lock must not have been broken, else the cable would NOT have been securely locked to the bike rack. And neither could the cable have been cut, else it would NOT have been "...securely locked to the bike rack..." Something's fishy here! John Kuthe... |
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On Sep 12, 8:44 pm, John Kuthe wrote:
On Sep 12, 7:20 pm, donquijote1954 wrote: On Sep 12, 6:14 pm, John Kuthe wrote: On Sep 12, 4:47 pm, donquijote1954 wrote: On Sep 12, 5:11 pm, John Kuthe wrote: On Sep 12, 3:57 pm, donquijote1954 wrote: On Sep 9, 10:33 pm, John Kuthe wrote: On Sep 9, 9:22 pm, donquijote1954 wrote: On Sep 9, 5:48 pm, "rich" wrote: I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to cut cable. Unless you're lucky enough to own a Hobie Cat with wider holes for pedal drives that allow a real heavy duty chain with protector and all, such as I got on my scooter. Such a chain is 100 bucks, but I can rest assured that the boat will always be there. There is no such thing as a 100% effective security chain or cable. Any chain or cable can be cut by the properly equipped thief. Security chains and cables are only used to keep the relatively "honest" people honest. The only 100% effective way to not have something stolen is to not own it!! ;-) John Kuthe... Sorry that I had to be away a couple of days. Anyways, here are my thoughts... I consider something "safe" when breaking it would make it so visible or so noisy as to deter 99% of thieves. Kayaks fit in the former category: They are usually too visible to walk away with (compared to, say, bikes), though my ex wife's Ocean Kayak Drifter just "walked away" in the middle of the night. Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem, possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that they can sleep well. ;) Oxyacetylene cutting torches are not noisy, and can cut any steel made, no matter how hard or tough. Yeah, I agree. The Python cables are pretty good protection (PGP? ;-) ) I have one for my bicycle, and I use it! :-) Sorry to say that my last stolen bike was taken with a Python and all (the weaker of the two). I even saw the "rat" roll away with it, and waved it goodbye. Did the "rat" cut the cable, or was it just not securely locked up? I didn't read that part... The cable was securely locked to the bike rack which wasn't cut, so somehow he cut the cable or broke the lock. Why he took it, I don't know. That makes little to no sense. "The cable was securely locked to the bike rack which wasn't cut." Which wasn't cut, the cable or the bike rack? The cable, I'm assuming, because to cut a bike rack sounds almost impossible. And if "The cable was securely locked to the bike rack...", the lock must not have been broken, else the cable would NOT have been securely locked to the bike rack. And neither could the cable have been cut, else it would NOT have been "...securely locked to the bike rack..." Something's fishy here! John Kuthe...- I know, but rats are survivors and very smart. They (real rats) eat tiny amounts of suspect food, so to avoid being poisoned. That's why many poisons nowadays are slowly released, so the rat gets confident. I suspected the guy slided the lock out the cable, but I tried later the same technique on the same bigger cable that was stucked and wouldn't come out, even when trying to pry it open with a tool. Had to cut it with a drill. But maybe the nasty predators just spit on it. ;) |
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John Kuthe wrote:
On Sep 12, 7:20 pm, donquijote1954 wrote: On Sep 12, 6:14 pm, John Kuthe wrote: On Sep 12, 4:47 pm, donquijote1954 wrote: On Sep 12, 5:11 pm, John Kuthe wrote: On Sep 12, 3:57 pm, donquijote1954 wrote: On Sep 9, 10:33 pm, John Kuthe wrote: On Sep 9, 9:22 pm, donquijote1954 wrote: On Sep 9, 5:48 pm, "rich" wrote: I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to cut cable. Unless you're lucky enough to own a Hobie Cat with wider holes for pedal drives that allow a real heavy duty chain with protector and all, such as I got on my scooter. Such a chain is 100 bucks, but I can rest assured that the boat will always be there. There is no such thing as a 100% effective security chain or cable. Any chain or cable can be cut by the properly equipped thief. Security chains and cables are only used to keep the relatively "honest" people honest. The only 100% effective way to not have something stolen is to not own it!! ;-) John Kuthe... Sorry that I had to be away a couple of days. Anyways, here are my thoughts... I consider something "safe" when breaking it would make it so visible or so noisy as to deter 99% of thieves. Kayaks fit in the former category: They are usually too visible to walk away with (compared to, say, bikes), though my ex wife's Ocean Kayak Drifter just "walked away" in the middle of the night. Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem, possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that they can sleep well. ;) Oxyacetylene cutting torches are not noisy, and can cut any steel made, no matter how hard or tough. Yeah, I agree. The Python cables are pretty good protection (PGP? ;-) ) I have one for my bicycle, and I use it! :-) Sorry to say that my last stolen bike was taken with a Python and all (the weaker of the two). I even saw the "rat" roll away with it, and waved it goodbye. Did the "rat" cut the cable, or was it just not securely locked up? I didn't read that part... The cable was securely locked to the bike rack which wasn't cut, so somehow he cut the cable or broke the lock. Why he took it, I don't know. That makes little to no sense. "The cable was securely locked to the bike rack which wasn't cut." Which wasn't cut, the cable or the bike rack? The cable, I'm assuming, because to cut a bike rack sounds almost impossible. That's not the case, John. When my first bike was stolen, which had been locked with two locks, one steel cable model and one steel bar type, the police officer told me that it's really simple. They either use a small pneumatic cutter, a simple disk cutter or spray something of very low temperature on the part and then hit it. Even strong and very expensive bicycle locks don't survive that treatment. Another tactic is to drive a van to where there are a lot of bicycles, and cut the weakest link (isn't always the lock) to pick the best ones and toss them quickly in the van, before disappearring. Granted, our society has a lot more bicycles per person, and the use of them for normal every day transportation is also higher, so there are more bicycles around to be stolen... :-( Having said that, there are all kinds (noth in price and quality) of bicycle locks available here, including ones which are able to withstand all kinds of cutting and freezing attacks (don't know about a torch :-)). -- Wilko van den Bergh wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe ---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.--- http://kayaker.nl/ |
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On Sep 13, 7:42 am, Wilko wrote:
John Kuthe wrote: On Sep 12, 7:20 pm, donquijote1954 wrote: On Sep 12, 6:14 pm, John Kuthe wrote: On Sep 12, 4:47 pm, donquijote1954 wrote: On Sep 12, 5:11 pm, John Kuthe wrote: On Sep 12, 3:57 pm, donquijote1954 wrote: On Sep 9, 10:33 pm, John Kuthe wrote: On Sep 9, 9:22 pm, donquijote1954 wrote: On Sep 9, 5:48 pm, "rich" wrote: I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to cut cable. Unless you're lucky enough to own a Hobie Cat with wider holes for pedal drives that allow a real heavy duty chain with protector and all, such as I got on my scooter. Such a chain is 100 bucks, but I can rest assured that the boat will always be there. There is no such thing as a 100% effective security chain or cable. Any chain or cable can be cut by the properly equipped thief. Security chains and cables are only used to keep the relatively "honest" people honest. The only 100% effective way to not have something stolen is to not own it!! ;-) John Kuthe... Sorry that I had to be away a couple of days. Anyways, here are my thoughts... I consider something "safe" when breaking it would make it so visible or so noisy as to deter 99% of thieves. Kayaks fit in the former category: They are usually too visible to walk away with (compared to, say, bikes), though my ex wife's Ocean Kayak Drifter just "walked away" in the middle of the night. Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem, possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that they can sleep well. ;) Oxyacetylene cutting torches are not noisy, and can cut any steel made, no matter how hard or tough. Yeah, I agree. The Python cables are pretty good protection (PGP? ;-) ) I have one for my bicycle, and I use it! :-) Sorry to say that my last stolen bike was taken with a Python and all (the weaker of the two). I even saw the "rat" roll away with it, and waved it goodbye. Did the "rat" cut the cable, or was it just not securely locked up? I didn't read that part... The cable was securely locked to the bike rack which wasn't cut, so somehow he cut the cable or broke the lock. Why he took it, I don't know. That makes little to no sense. "The cable was securely locked to the bike rack which wasn't cut." Which wasn't cut, the cable or the bike rack? The cable, I'm assuming, because to cut a bike rack sounds almost impossible. That's not the case, John. When my first bike was stolen, which had been locked with two locks, one steel cable model and one steel bar type, the police officer told me that it's really simple. They either use a small pneumatic cutter, a simple disk cutter or spray something of very low temperature on the part and then hit it. Even strong and very expensive bicycle locks don't survive that treatment. I can see the rats are pretty educated and resourceful nowadays. But I finally figured out the lock for the kayak, "rat proof." Coming soon. It would take the rats another 10 million years of evolution to develop steel teeth. |
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On Sep 13, 6:42 am, Wilko wrote:
John Kuthe wrote: On Sep 12, 7:20 pm, donquijote1954 wrote: On Sep 12, 6:14 pm, John Kuthe wrote: On Sep 12, 4:47 pm, donquijote1954 wrote: On Sep 12, 5:11 pm, John Kuthe wrote: On Sep 12, 3:57 pm, donquijote1954 wrote: On Sep 9, 10:33 pm, John Kuthe wrote: On Sep 9, 9:22 pm, donquijote1954 wrote: On Sep 9, 5:48 pm, "rich" wrote: I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to cut cable. Unless you're lucky enough to own a Hobie Cat with wider holes for pedal drives that allow a real heavy duty chain with protector and all, such as I got on my scooter. Such a chain is 100 bucks, but I can rest assured that the boat will always be there. There is no such thing as a 100% effective security chain or cable. Any chain or cable can be cut by the properly equipped thief. Security chains and cables are only used to keep the relatively "honest" people honest. The only 100% effective way to not have something stolen is to not own it!! ;-) John Kuthe... Sorry that I had to be away a couple of days. Anyways, here are my thoughts... I consider something "safe" when breaking it would make it so visible or so noisy as to deter 99% of thieves. Kayaks fit in the former category: They are usually too visible to walk away with (compared to, say, bikes), though my ex wife's Ocean Kayak Drifter just "walked away" in the middle of the night. Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem, possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that they can sleep well. ;) Oxyacetylene cutting torches are not noisy, and can cut any steel made, no matter how hard or tough. Yeah, I agree. The Python cables are pretty good protection (PGP? ;-) ) I have one for my bicycle, and I use it! :-) Sorry to say that my last stolen bike was taken with a Python and all (the weaker of the two). I even saw the "rat" roll away with it, and waved it goodbye. Did the "rat" cut the cable, or was it just not securely locked up? I didn't read that part... The cable was securely locked to the bike rack which wasn't cut, so somehow he cut the cable or broke the lock. Why he took it, I don't know. That makes little to no sense. "The cable was securely locked to the bike rack which wasn't cut." Which wasn't cut, the cable or the bike rack? The cable, I'm assuming, because to cut a bike rack sounds almost impossible. That's not the case, John. When my first bike was stolen, which had been locked with two locks, one steel cable model and one steel bar type, the police officer told me that it's really simple. They either use a small pneumatic cutter, a simple disk cutter or spray something of very low temperature on the part and then hit it. Even strong and very expensive bicycle locks don't survive that treatment. Another tactic is to drive a van to where there are a lot of bicycles, and cut the weakest link (isn't always the lock) to pick the best ones and toss them quickly in the van, before disappearring. Granted, our society has a lot more bicycles per person, and the use of them for normal every day transportation is also higher, so there are more bicycles around to be stolen... :-( Having said that, there are all kinds (noth in price and quality) of bicycle locks available here, including ones which are able to withstand all kinds of cutting and freezing attacks (don't know about a torch :-)). *I* know about the oxyacetylene cutting torch! I used to own one. 7000F flame and a jet of pure O2 to oxidize the Fe once it has been heated to a liquid state. As I said, no steel in the world can hold up intact. It's impossible. And silent too! Of course it requires some hardware to make it happen. John Kuthe... |
best way to secure sit-on-tops
On Sep 14, 6:40 am, John Kuthe wrote:
On Sep 13, 6:42 am, Wilko wrote: John Kuthe wrote: On Sep 12, 7:20 pm, donquijote1954 wrote: On Sep 12, 6:14 pm, John Kuthe wrote: On Sep 12, 4:47 pm, donquijote1954 wrote: On Sep 12, 5:11 pm, John Kuthe wrote: On Sep 12, 3:57 pm, donquijote1954 wrote: On Sep 9, 10:33 pm, John Kuthe wrote: On Sep 9, 9:22 pm, donquijote1954 wrote: On Sep 9, 5:48 pm, "rich" wrote: I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to cut cable. Unless you're lucky enough to own a Hobie Cat with wider holes for pedal drives that allow a real heavy duty chain with protector and all, such as I got on my scooter. Such a chain is 100 bucks, but I can rest assured that the boat will always be there. There is no such thing as a 100% effective security chain or cable. Any chain or cable can be cut by the properly equipped thief. Security chains and cables are only used to keep the relatively "honest" people honest. The only 100% effective way to not have something stolen is to not own it!! ;-) John Kuthe... Sorry that I had to be away a couple of days. Anyways, here are my thoughts... I consider something "safe" when breaking it would make it so visible or so noisy as to deter 99% of thieves. Kayaks fit in the former category: They are usually too visible to walk away with (compared to, say, bikes), though my ex wife's Ocean Kayak Drifter just "walked away" in the middle of the night. Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem, possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that they can sleep well. ;) Oxyacetylene cutting torches are not noisy, and can cut any steel made, no matter how hard or tough. Yeah, I agree. The Python cables are pretty good protection (PGP? ;-) ) I have one for my bicycle, and I use it! :-) Sorry to say that my last stolen bike was taken with a Python and all (the weaker of the two). I even saw the "rat" roll away with it, and waved it goodbye. Did the "rat" cut the cable, or was it just not securely locked up? I didn't read that part... The cable was securely locked to the bike rack which wasn't cut, so somehow he cut the cable or broke the lock. Why he took it, I don't know. That makes little to no sense. "The cable was securely locked to the bike rack which wasn't cut." Which wasn't cut, the cable or the bike rack? The cable, I'm assuming, because to cut a bike rack sounds almost impossible. That's not the case, John. When my first bike was stolen, which had been locked with two locks, one steel cable model and one steel bar type, the police officer told me that it's really simple. They either use a small pneumatic cutter, a simple disk cutter or spray something of very low temperature on the part and then hit it. Even strong and very expensive bicycle locks don't survive that treatment. Another tactic is to drive a van to where there are a lot of bicycles, and cut the weakest link (isn't always the lock) to pick the best ones and toss them quickly in the van, before disappearring. Granted, our society has a lot more bicycles per person, and the use of them for normal every day transportation is also higher, so there are more bicycles around to be stolen... :-( Having said that, there are all kinds (noth in price and quality) of bicycle locks available here, including ones which are able to withstand all kinds of cutting and freezing attacks (don't know about a torch :-)). *I* know about the oxyacetylene cutting torch! I used to own one. 7000F flame and a jet of pure O2 to oxidize the Fe once it has been heated to a liquid state. As I said, no steel in the world can hold up intact. It's impossible. And silent too! Of course it requires some hardware to make it happen. John Kuthe...- OK, I grant you that, but I'm talking about the nonpro rats who are not going to bother. This one fits through the hole --and rodent proof... http://www.onguardlock.com/lockviewe...&model=5017LPT Don't buy yet though. Too heavy, and not water resistant. My design will be better, and you may be able to carry it on your kayak. DO MANY KAYAKS GET STOLEN? DO YOU OFTEN WORRY AT YOUR DESTINATION THAT BY LEAVING YOUR BOAT BEHIND YOU MAY NOT FIND IT WHEN GOING HOME? I go to a few islands where I do. A motorboat may come around and... Just makes me nervous. |
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