best way to secure sit-on-tops
 

What would be the best way to secure sot's through scupper holes?
Cables are prone to cutting, but perhaps something similar to a U-lock
for kayaks. Meant for permanent storage. Thanks in advance!

best way to secure sit-on-tops
 

I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into
pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the
cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich

best way to secure sit-on-tops
 

On Sep 9, 5:48 pm, "rich" wrote:
I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into
pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the
cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich

That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant
that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to
cut cable. Unless you're lucky enough to own a Hobie Cat with wider
holes for pedal drives that allow a real heavy duty chain with
protector and all, such as I got on my scooter. Such a chain is 100
bucks, but I can rest assured that the boat will always be there.

best way to secure sit-on-tops
 

On Sep 9, 9:22 pm, donquijote1954 wrote:
On Sep 9, 5:48 pm, "rich" wrote:

I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into
pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the
cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich

That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant
that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to
cut cable. Unless you're lucky enough to own a Hobie Cat with wider
holes for pedal drives that allow a real heavy duty chain with
protector and all, such as I got on my scooter. Such a chain is 100
bucks, but I can rest assured that the boat will always be there.

There is no such thing as a 100% effective security chain or cable.
Any chain or cable can be cut by the properly equipped thief. Security
chains and cables are only used to keep the relatively "honest" people
honest.

The only 100% effective way to not have something stolen is to not own
it!!

;-)

John Kuthe...

best way to secure sit-on-tops
 

That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant
that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to
cut cable.

A friend who ran a livery a few years ago used a very thick and long
Kryptonite cable that threaded through the scupper holes of a bunch of SOTs.
This seemed to work OK --never had one stolen. The cable is plastic covered
so no additional insulation was needed. There are Kryptonite cables and
locks available in varying lengths for bicycles. Perhaps such a store would
be a good source of something you can use.

Joe P.

best way to secure sit-on-tops
 

On Sep 9, 3:25 pm, donquijote1954 wrote:
What would be the best way to secure sot's through scupper holes?
Cables are prone to cutting, but perhaps something similar to a U-lock
for kayaks. Meant for permanent storage. Thanks in advance!

I'm sold on the Kayak Lasso Cables - Model SLC1200 for Sit on Tops
www.lassosecuritycables.com

I currently use mine on a Dagger Crossover and an Epic Endurance
Great for added security during transport, stop at a restaurant, etc.
You can leave the boat on your car overnight and not worry.
It even works by wrapping it around a pole, tree, or other solid
support.

If someone really, really wants to steal a kayak - it's gone no
matter what you use.

best way to secure sit-on-tops
 

On Sep 9, 10:33 pm, John Kuthe wrote:
On Sep 9, 9:22 pm, donquijote1954 wrote:

On Sep 9, 5:48 pm, "rich" wrote:

I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into
pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the
cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich

That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant
that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to
cut cable. Unless you're lucky enough to own a Hobie Cat with wider
holes for pedal drives that allow a real heavy duty chain with
protector and all, such as I got on my scooter. Such a chain is 100
bucks, but I can rest assured that the boat will always be there.

There is no such thing as a 100% effective security chain or cable.
Any chain or cable can be cut by the properly equipped thief. Security
chains and cables are only used to keep the relatively "honest" people
honest.

The only 100% effective way to not have something stolen is to not own
it!!

;-)

John Kuthe...

Sorry that I had to be away a couple of days. Anyways, here are my
thoughts...

I consider something "safe" when breaking it would make it so visible
or so noisy as to deter 99% of thieves. Kayaks fit in the former
category: They are usually too visible to walk away with (compared to,
say, bikes), though my ex wife's Ocean Kayak Drifter just "walked
away" in the middle of the night.

Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would
make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem,
possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so
NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that
they can sleep well. ;)

best way to secure sit-on-tops
 

On Sep 12, 3:57 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:
On Sep 9, 10:33 pm, John Kuthe wrote:



On Sep 9, 9:22 pm, donquijote1954 wrote:

On Sep 9, 5:48 pm, "rich" wrote:

I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into
pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the
cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich

That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant
that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to
cut cable. Unless you're lucky enough to own a Hobie Cat with wider
holes for pedal drives that allow a real heavy duty chain with
protector and all, such as I got on my scooter. Such a chain is 100
bucks, but I can rest assured that the boat will always be there.

There is no such thing as a 100% effective security chain or cable.
Any chain or cable can be cut by the properly equipped thief. Security
chains and cables are only used to keep the relatively "honest" people
honest.

The only 100% effective way to not have something stolen is to not own
it!!

;-)

John Kuthe...

Sorry that I had to be away a couple of days. Anyways, here are my
thoughts...

I consider something "safe" when breaking it would make it so visible
or so noisy as to deter 99% of thieves. Kayaks fit in the former
category: They are usually too visible to walk away with (compared to,
say, bikes), though my ex wife's Ocean Kayak Drifter just "walked
away" in the middle of the night.

Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would
make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem,
possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so
NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that
they can sleep well. ;)

Oxyacetylene cutting torches are not noisy, and can cut any steel
made, no matter how hard or tough.

Yeah, I agree. The Python cables are pretty good protection
(PGP? ;-) ) I have one for my bicycle, and I use it! :-)

John Kuthe...

best way to secure sit-on-tops
 

John Kuthe wrote:
On Sep 12, 3:57 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:

Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would
make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem,
possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so
NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that
they can sleep well. ;)

Oxyacetylene cutting torches are not noisy, and can cut any steel
made, no matter how hard or tough.

Yeah, I agree. The Python cables are pretty good protection
(PGP? ;-) ) I have one for my bicycle, and I use it! :-)

John Kuthe...

But how do you connect a cable to a kayak in a solid way?

bjorri.

best way to secure sit-on-tops
 

On Sep 12, 5:11 pm, John Kuthe wrote:
On Sep 12, 3:57 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:





On Sep 9, 10:33 pm, John Kuthe wrote:

On Sep 9, 9:22 pm, donquijote1954 wrote:

On Sep 9, 5:48 pm, "rich" wrote:

I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into
pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the
cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich

That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant
that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to
cut cable. Unless you're lucky enough to own a Hobie Cat with wider
holes for pedal drives that allow a real heavy duty chain with
protector and all, such as I got on my scooter. Such a chain is 100
bucks, but I can rest assured that the boat will always be there.

There is no such thing as a 100% effective security chain or cable.
Any chain or cable can be cut by the properly equipped thief. Security
chains and cables are only used to keep the relatively "honest" people
honest.

The only 100% effective way to not have something stolen is to not own
it!!

;-)

John Kuthe...

Sorry that I had to be away a couple of days. Anyways, here are my
thoughts...

I consider something "safe" when breaking it would make it so visible
or so noisy as to deter 99% of thieves. Kayaks fit in the former
category: They are usually too visible to walk away with (compared to,
say, bikes), though my ex wife's Ocean Kayak Drifter just "walked
away" in the middle of the night.

Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would
make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem,
possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so
NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that
they can sleep well. ;)

Oxyacetylene cutting torches are not noisy, and can cut any steel
made, no matter how hard or tough.

Yeah, I agree. The Python cables are pretty good protection
(PGP? ;-) ) I have one for my bicycle, and I use it! :-)


Sorry to say that my last stolen bike was taken with a Python and all
(the weaker of the two). I even saw the "rat" roll away with it, and
waved it goodbye.

This very upscale shopping center is next to "the jungle" and lacks
any security or cameras for the bikes, and the predators only take
advantage of it, you know.

best way to secure sit-on-tops
 

On Sep 12, 4:47 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:
On Sep 12, 5:11 pm, John Kuthe wrote:



On Sep 12, 3:57 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:

On Sep 9, 10:33 pm, John Kuthe wrote:

On Sep 9, 9:22 pm, donquijote1954 wrote:

On Sep 9, 5:48 pm, "rich" wrote:

I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into
pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the
cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich

That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant
that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to
cut cable. Unless you're lucky enough to own a Hobie Cat with wider
holes for pedal drives that allow a real heavy duty chain with
protector and all, such as I got on my scooter. Such a chain is 100
bucks, but I can rest assured that the boat will always be there.

There is no such thing as a 100% effective security chain or cable.
Any chain or cable can be cut by the properly equipped thief. Security
chains and cables are only used to keep the relatively "honest" people
honest.

The only 100% effective way to not have something stolen is to not own
it!!

;-)

John Kuthe...

Sorry that I had to be away a couple of days. Anyways, here are my
thoughts...

I consider something "safe" when breaking it would make it so visible
or so noisy as to deter 99% of thieves. Kayaks fit in the former
category: They are usually too visible to walk away with (compared to,
say, bikes), though my ex wife's Ocean Kayak Drifter just "walked
away" in the middle of the night.

Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would
make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem,
possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so
NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that
they can sleep well. ;)

Oxyacetylene cutting torches are not noisy, and can cut any steel
made, no matter how hard or tough.

Yeah, I agree. The Python cables are pretty good protection
(PGP? ;-) ) I have one for my bicycle, and I use it! :-)

Sorry to say that my last stolen bike was taken with a Python and all
(the weaker of the two). I even saw the "rat" roll away with it, and
waved it goodbye.

Did the "rat" cut the cable, or was it just not securely locked up?

I had a bike stolen once locked to a signpost with a Kryptonite lock.
Locked the bike through the rear wheel and frame, and the signpost,
the latter of which was pulled out of the ground! Which meant they
stole the bike with a Kryptonite lock around it's rear wheel and
frame. Funny part was, it was the biggest piece of **** bile I had
ever ridden! The gears would not shift, the chain slipped on the
chainring, the brakes didn't work, etc. I had borrowed it from a
housemate of mine to ride shuttle on a 2 person one car kayaking
trip.

So when this particular "rat" cut the Kryptonite lock off the bike, he
(she?) discovered they stole the biggest piece of **** bike ever! HA!

I paid my housemate $50 for her bike anyway. My fault it was stolen.

John Kuthe...

best way to secure sit-on-tops
 

On Sep 12, 5:18 pm, bjorri wrote:
John Kuthe wrote:
On Sep 12, 3:57 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:
Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would
make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem,
possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so
NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that
they can sleep well. ;)

Oxyacetylene cutting torches are not noisy, and can cut any steel
made, no matter how hard or tough.

Yeah, I agree. The Python cables are pretty good protection
(PGP? ;-) ) I have one for my bicycle, and I use it! :-)

John Kuthe...

But how do you connect a cable to a kayak in a solid way?


I'm trying to figure it out. U-locks are considered the only safe way
for bikes.

best way to secure sit-on-tops
 

On Sep 12, 6:14 pm, John Kuthe wrote:
On Sep 12, 4:47 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:





On Sep 12, 5:11 pm, John Kuthe wrote:

On Sep 12, 3:57 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:

On Sep 9, 10:33 pm, John Kuthe wrote:

On Sep 9, 9:22 pm, donquijote1954 wrote:

On Sep 9, 5:48 pm, "rich" wrote:

I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into
pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the
cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich

That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant
that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to
cut cable. Unless you're lucky enough to own a Hobie Cat with wider
holes for pedal drives that allow a real heavy duty chain with
protector and all, such as I got on my scooter. Such a chain is 100
bucks, but I can rest assured that the boat will always be there.

There is no such thing as a 100% effective security chain or cable.
Any chain or cable can be cut by the properly equipped thief. Security
chains and cables are only used to keep the relatively "honest" people
honest.

The only 100% effective way to not have something stolen is to not own
it!!

;-)

John Kuthe...

Sorry that I had to be away a couple of days. Anyways, here are my
thoughts...

I consider something "safe" when breaking it would make it so visible
or so noisy as to deter 99% of thieves. Kayaks fit in the former
category: They are usually too visible to walk away with (compared to,
say, bikes), though my ex wife's Ocean Kayak Drifter just "walked
away" in the middle of the night.

Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would
make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem,
possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so
NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that
they can sleep well. ;)

Oxyacetylene cutting torches are not noisy, and can cut any steel
made, no matter how hard or tough.

Yeah, I agree. The Python cables are pretty good protection
(PGP? ;-) ) I have one for my bicycle, and I use it! :-)

Sorry to say that my last stolen bike was taken with a Python and all
(the weaker of the two). I even saw the "rat" roll away with it, and
waved it goodbye.

Did the "rat" cut the cable, or was it just not securely locked up?

I had a bike stolen once locked to a signpost with a Kryptonite lock.
Locked the bike through the rear wheel and frame, and the signpost,
the latter of which was pulled out of the ground! Which meant they
stole the bike with a Kryptonite lock around it's rear wheel and
frame. Funny part was, it was the biggest piece of **** bile I had
ever ridden! The gears would not shift, the chain slipped on the
chainring, the brakes didn't work, etc. I had borrowed it from a
housemate of mine to ride shuttle on a 2 person one car kayaking
trip.

So when this particular "rat" cut the Kryptonite lock off the bike, he
(she?) discovered they stole the biggest piece of **** bike ever! HA!

I paid my housemate $50 for her bike anyway. My fault it was stolen.

John Kuthe...-

No bicycle and no cable, so I assume he must have sold it without key.
To tie a dog perhaps. :)

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On Sep 12, 6:14 pm, John Kuthe wrote:
On Sep 12, 4:47 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:





On Sep 12, 5:11 pm, John Kuthe wrote:

On Sep 12, 3:57 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:

On Sep 9, 10:33 pm, John Kuthe wrote:

On Sep 9, 9:22 pm, donquijote1954 wrote:

On Sep 9, 5:48 pm, "rich" wrote:

I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into
pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the
cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich

That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant
that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to
cut cable. Unless you're lucky enough to own a Hobie Cat with wider
holes for pedal drives that allow a real heavy duty chain with
protector and all, such as I got on my scooter. Such a chain is 100
bucks, but I can rest assured that the boat will always be there.

There is no such thing as a 100% effective security chain or cable.
Any chain or cable can be cut by the properly equipped thief. Security
chains and cables are only used to keep the relatively "honest" people
honest.

The only 100% effective way to not have something stolen is to not own
it!!

;-)

John Kuthe...

Sorry that I had to be away a couple of days. Anyways, here are my
thoughts...

I consider something "safe" when breaking it would make it so visible
or so noisy as to deter 99% of thieves. Kayaks fit in the former
category: They are usually too visible to walk away with (compared to,
say, bikes), though my ex wife's Ocean Kayak Drifter just "walked
away" in the middle of the night.

Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would
make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem,
possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so
NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that
they can sleep well. ;)

Oxyacetylene cutting torches are not noisy, and can cut any steel
made, no matter how hard or tough.

Yeah, I agree. The Python cables are pretty good protection
(PGP? ;-) ) I have one for my bicycle, and I use it! :-)

Sorry to say that my last stolen bike was taken with a Python and all
(the weaker of the two). I even saw the "rat" roll away with it, and
waved it goodbye.

Did the "rat" cut the cable, or was it just not securely locked up?


I didn't read that part...

The cable was securely locked to the bike rack which wasn't cut, so
somehow he cut the cable or broke the lock. Why he took it, I don't
know.

I still bought the same cable to secure a cheaper kayak I got because
I like the feature that Pythons are adjustable. And will get the
better cable for another one more costly and the chain for the one
super expensive down the line. I'm talking about permanent storing in
fairly safe neighborhoods. Not many rats around.

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On Sep 12, 7:20 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:
On Sep 12, 6:14 pm, John Kuthe wrote:



On Sep 12, 4:47 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:

On Sep 12, 5:11 pm, John Kuthe wrote:

On Sep 12, 3:57 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:

On Sep 9, 10:33 pm, John Kuthe wrote:

On Sep 9, 9:22 pm, donquijote1954 wrote:

On Sep 9, 5:48 pm, "rich" wrote:

I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into
pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the
cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich

That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant
that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to
cut cable. Unless you're lucky enough to own a Hobie Cat with wider
holes for pedal drives that allow a real heavy duty chain with
protector and all, such as I got on my scooter. Such a chain is 100
bucks, but I can rest assured that the boat will always be there.

There is no such thing as a 100% effective security chain or cable.
Any chain or cable can be cut by the properly equipped thief. Security
chains and cables are only used to keep the relatively "honest" people
honest.

The only 100% effective way to not have something stolen is to not own
it!!

;-)

John Kuthe...

Sorry that I had to be away a couple of days. Anyways, here are my
thoughts...

I consider something "safe" when breaking it would make it so visible
or so noisy as to deter 99% of thieves. Kayaks fit in the former
category: They are usually too visible to walk away with (compared to,
say, bikes), though my ex wife's Ocean Kayak Drifter just "walked
away" in the middle of the night.

Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would
make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem,
possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so
NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that
they can sleep well. ;)

Oxyacetylene cutting torches are not noisy, and can cut any steel
made, no matter how hard or tough.

Yeah, I agree. The Python cables are pretty good protection
(PGP? ;-) ) I have one for my bicycle, and I use it! :-)

Sorry to say that my last stolen bike was taken with a Python and all
(the weaker of the two). I even saw the "rat" roll away with it, and
waved it goodbye.

Did the "rat" cut the cable, or was it just not securely locked up?

I didn't read that part...

The cable was securely locked to the bike rack which wasn't cut, so
somehow he cut the cable or broke the lock. Why he took it, I don't
know.

That makes little to no sense. "The cable was securely locked to the
bike rack which wasn't cut." Which wasn't cut, the cable or the bike
rack? The cable, I'm assuming, because to cut a bike rack sounds
almost impossible.

And if "The cable was securely locked to the bike rack...", the lock
must not have been broken, else the cable would NOT have been securely
locked to the bike rack. And neither could the cable have been cut,
else it would NOT have been "...securely locked to the bike rack..."

Something's fishy here!

John Kuthe...

best way to secure sit-on-tops
 

On Sep 12, 8:44 pm, John Kuthe wrote:
On Sep 12, 7:20 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:





On Sep 12, 6:14 pm, John Kuthe wrote:

On Sep 12, 4:47 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:

On Sep 12, 5:11 pm, John Kuthe wrote:

On Sep 12, 3:57 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:

On Sep 9, 10:33 pm, John Kuthe wrote:

On Sep 9, 9:22 pm, donquijote1954 wrote:

On Sep 9, 5:48 pm, "rich" wrote:

I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into
pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the
cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich

That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant
that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to
cut cable. Unless you're lucky enough to own a Hobie Cat with wider
holes for pedal drives that allow a real heavy duty chain with
protector and all, such as I got on my scooter. Such a chain is 100
bucks, but I can rest assured that the boat will always be there.

There is no such thing as a 100% effective security chain or cable.
Any chain or cable can be cut by the properly equipped thief. Security
chains and cables are only used to keep the relatively "honest" people
honest.

The only 100% effective way to not have something stolen is to not own
it!!

;-)

John Kuthe...

Sorry that I had to be away a couple of days. Anyways, here are my
thoughts...

I consider something "safe" when breaking it would make it so visible
or so noisy as to deter 99% of thieves. Kayaks fit in the former
category: They are usually too visible to walk away with (compared to,
say, bikes), though my ex wife's Ocean Kayak Drifter just "walked
away" in the middle of the night.

Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would
make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem,
possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so
NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that
they can sleep well. ;)

Oxyacetylene cutting torches are not noisy, and can cut any steel
made, no matter how hard or tough.

Yeah, I agree. The Python cables are pretty good protection
(PGP? ;-) ) I have one for my bicycle, and I use it! :-)

Sorry to say that my last stolen bike was taken with a Python and all
(the weaker of the two). I even saw the "rat" roll away with it, and
waved it goodbye.

Did the "rat" cut the cable, or was it just not securely locked up?

I didn't read that part...

The cable was securely locked to the bike rack which wasn't cut, so
somehow he cut the cable or broke the lock. Why he took it, I don't
know.

That makes little to no sense. "The cable was securely locked to the
bike rack which wasn't cut." Which wasn't cut, the cable or the bike
rack? The cable, I'm assuming, because to cut a bike rack sounds
almost impossible.

And if "The cable was securely locked to the bike rack...", the lock
must not have been broken, else the cable would NOT have been securely
locked to the bike rack. And neither could the cable have been cut,
else it would NOT have been "...securely locked to the bike rack..."

Something's fishy here!

John Kuthe...-

I know, but rats are survivors and very smart. They (real rats) eat
tiny amounts of suspect food, so to avoid being poisoned. That's why
many poisons nowadays are slowly released, so the rat gets confident.

I suspected the guy slided the lock out the cable, but I tried later
the same technique on the same bigger cable that was stucked and
wouldn't come out, even when trying to pry it open with a tool. Had to
cut it with a drill. But maybe the nasty predators just spit on it. ;)

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John Kuthe wrote:
On Sep 12, 7:20 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:
On Sep 12, 6:14 pm, John Kuthe wrote:



On Sep 12, 4:47 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:
On Sep 12, 5:11 pm, John Kuthe wrote:
On Sep 12, 3:57 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:
On Sep 9, 10:33 pm, John Kuthe wrote:
On Sep 9, 9:22 pm, donquijote1954 wrote:
On Sep 9, 5:48 pm, "rich" wrote:
I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into
pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the
cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich
That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant
that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to
cut cable. Unless you're lucky enough to own a Hobie Cat with wider
holes for pedal drives that allow a real heavy duty chain with
protector and all, such as I got on my scooter. Such a chain is 100
bucks, but I can rest assured that the boat will always be there.
There is no such thing as a 100% effective security chain or cable.
Any chain or cable can be cut by the properly equipped thief. Security
chains and cables are only used to keep the relatively "honest" people
honest.
The only 100% effective way to not have something stolen is to not own
it!!
;-)
John Kuthe...
Sorry that I had to be away a couple of days. Anyways, here are my
thoughts...
I consider something "safe" when breaking it would make it so visible
or so noisy as to deter 99% of thieves. Kayaks fit in the former
category: They are usually too visible to walk away with (compared to,
say, bikes), though my ex wife's Ocean Kayak Drifter just "walked
away" in the middle of the night.
Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would
make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem,
possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so
NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that
they can sleep well. ;)
Oxyacetylene cutting torches are not noisy, and can cut any steel
made, no matter how hard or tough.
Yeah, I agree. The Python cables are pretty good protection
(PGP? ;-) ) I have one for my bicycle, and I use it! :-)
Sorry to say that my last stolen bike was taken with a Python and all
(the weaker of the two). I even saw the "rat" roll away with it, and
waved it goodbye.
Did the "rat" cut the cable, or was it just not securely locked up?
I didn't read that part...

The cable was securely locked to the bike rack which wasn't cut, so
somehow he cut the cable or broke the lock. Why he took it, I don't
know.

That makes little to no sense. "The cable was securely locked to the
bike rack which wasn't cut." Which wasn't cut, the cable or the bike
rack? The cable, I'm assuming, because to cut a bike rack sounds
almost impossible.

That's not the case, John.

When my first bike was stolen, which had been locked with two locks, one
steel cable model and one steel bar type, the police officer told me
that it's really simple. They either use a small pneumatic cutter, a
simple disk cutter or spray something of very low temperature on the
part and then hit it. Even strong and very expensive bicycle locks don't
survive that treatment.

Another tactic is to drive a van to where there are a lot of bicycles,
and cut the weakest link (isn't always the lock) to pick the best ones
and toss them quickly in the van, before disappearring.

Granted, our society has a lot more bicycles per person, and the use of
them for normal every day transportation is also higher, so there are
more bicycles around to be stolen... :-(
Having said that, there are all kinds (noth in price and quality) of
bicycle locks available here, including ones which are able to withstand
all kinds of cutting and freezing attacks (don't know about a torch :-)).


--
Wilko van den Bergh wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl
Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
http://kayaker.nl/

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On Sep 13, 7:42 am, Wilko wrote:
John Kuthe wrote:
On Sep 12, 7:20 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:
On Sep 12, 6:14 pm, John Kuthe wrote:

On Sep 12, 4:47 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:
On Sep 12, 5:11 pm, John Kuthe wrote:
On Sep 12, 3:57 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:
On Sep 9, 10:33 pm, John Kuthe wrote:
On Sep 9, 9:22 pm, donquijote1954 wrote:
On Sep 9, 5:48 pm, "rich" wrote:
I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into
pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the
cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich
That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant
that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to
cut cable. Unless you're lucky enough to own a Hobie Cat with wider
holes for pedal drives that allow a real heavy duty chain with
protector and all, such as I got on my scooter. Such a chain is 100
bucks, but I can rest assured that the boat will always be there.
There is no such thing as a 100% effective security chain or cable.
Any chain or cable can be cut by the properly equipped thief. Security
chains and cables are only used to keep the relatively "honest" people
honest.
The only 100% effective way to not have something stolen is to not own
it!!
;-)
John Kuthe...
Sorry that I had to be away a couple of days. Anyways, here are my
thoughts...
I consider something "safe" when breaking it would make it so visible
or so noisy as to deter 99% of thieves. Kayaks fit in the former
category: They are usually too visible to walk away with (compared to,
say, bikes), though my ex wife's Ocean Kayak Drifter just "walked
away" in the middle of the night.
Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would
make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem,
possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so
NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that
they can sleep well. ;)
Oxyacetylene cutting torches are not noisy, and can cut any steel
made, no matter how hard or tough.
Yeah, I agree. The Python cables are pretty good protection
(PGP? ;-) ) I have one for my bicycle, and I use it! :-)
Sorry to say that my last stolen bike was taken with a Python and all
(the weaker of the two). I even saw the "rat" roll away with it, and
waved it goodbye.
Did the "rat" cut the cable, or was it just not securely locked up?
I didn't read that part...

The cable was securely locked to the bike rack which wasn't cut, so
somehow he cut the cable or broke the lock. Why he took it, I don't
know.

That makes little to no sense. "The cable was securely locked to the
bike rack which wasn't cut." Which wasn't cut, the cable or the bike
rack? The cable, I'm assuming, because to cut a bike rack sounds
almost impossible.

That's not the case, John.

When my first bike was stolen, which had been locked with two locks, one
steel cable model and one steel bar type, the police officer told me
that it's really simple. They either use a small pneumatic cutter, a
simple disk cutter or spray something of very low temperature on the
part and then hit it. Even strong and very expensive bicycle locks don't
survive that treatment.

I can see the rats are pretty educated and resourceful nowadays. But I
finally figured out the lock for the kayak, "rat proof." Coming soon.

It would take the rats another 10 million years of evolution to
develop steel teeth.

best way to secure sit-on-tops
 

On Sep 13, 6:42 am, Wilko wrote:
John Kuthe wrote:
On Sep 12, 7:20 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:
On Sep 12, 6:14 pm, John Kuthe wrote:

On Sep 12, 4:47 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:
On Sep 12, 5:11 pm, John Kuthe wrote:
On Sep 12, 3:57 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:
On Sep 9, 10:33 pm, John Kuthe wrote:
On Sep 9, 9:22 pm, donquijote1954 wrote:
On Sep 9, 5:48 pm, "rich" wrote:
I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into
pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the
cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich
That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant
that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to
cut cable. Unless you're lucky enough to own a Hobie Cat with wider
holes for pedal drives that allow a real heavy duty chain with
protector and all, such as I got on my scooter. Such a chain is 100
bucks, but I can rest assured that the boat will always be there.
There is no such thing as a 100% effective security chain or cable.
Any chain or cable can be cut by the properly equipped thief. Security
chains and cables are only used to keep the relatively "honest" people
honest.
The only 100% effective way to not have something stolen is to not own
it!!
;-)
John Kuthe...
Sorry that I had to be away a couple of days. Anyways, here are my
thoughts...
I consider something "safe" when breaking it would make it so visible
or so noisy as to deter 99% of thieves. Kayaks fit in the former
category: They are usually too visible to walk away with (compared to,
say, bikes), though my ex wife's Ocean Kayak Drifter just "walked
away" in the middle of the night.
Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would
make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem,
possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so
NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that
they can sleep well. ;)
Oxyacetylene cutting torches are not noisy, and can cut any steel
made, no matter how hard or tough.
Yeah, I agree. The Python cables are pretty good protection
(PGP? ;-) ) I have one for my bicycle, and I use it! :-)
Sorry to say that my last stolen bike was taken with a Python and all
(the weaker of the two). I even saw the "rat" roll away with it, and
waved it goodbye.
Did the "rat" cut the cable, or was it just not securely locked up?
I didn't read that part...

The cable was securely locked to the bike rack which wasn't cut, so
somehow he cut the cable or broke the lock. Why he took it, I don't
know.

That makes little to no sense. "The cable was securely locked to the
bike rack which wasn't cut." Which wasn't cut, the cable or the bike
rack? The cable, I'm assuming, because to cut a bike rack sounds
almost impossible.

That's not the case, John.

When my first bike was stolen, which had been locked with two locks, one
steel cable model and one steel bar type, the police officer told me
that it's really simple. They either use a small pneumatic cutter, a
simple disk cutter or spray something of very low temperature on the
part and then hit it. Even strong and very expensive bicycle locks don't
survive that treatment.

Another tactic is to drive a van to where there are a lot of bicycles,
and cut the weakest link (isn't always the lock) to pick the best ones
and toss them quickly in the van, before disappearring.

Granted, our society has a lot more bicycles per person, and the use of
them for normal every day transportation is also higher, so there are
more bicycles around to be stolen... :-(
Having said that, there are all kinds (noth in price and quality) of
bicycle locks available here, including ones which are able to withstand
all kinds of cutting and freezing attacks (don't know about a torch :-)).

*I* know about the oxyacetylene cutting torch! I used to own one.
7000F flame and a jet of pure O2 to oxidize the Fe once it has been
heated to a liquid state.

As I said, no steel in the world can hold up intact. It's impossible.
And silent too! Of course it requires some hardware to make it happen.

John Kuthe...

best way to secure sit-on-tops
 

On Sep 14, 6:40 am, John Kuthe wrote:
On Sep 13, 6:42 am, Wilko wrote:





John Kuthe wrote:
On Sep 12, 7:20 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:
On Sep 12, 6:14 pm, John Kuthe wrote:

On Sep 12, 4:47 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:
On Sep 12, 5:11 pm, John Kuthe wrote:
On Sep 12, 3:57 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:
On Sep 9, 10:33 pm, John Kuthe wrote:
On Sep 9, 9:22 pm, donquijote1954 wrote:
On Sep 9, 5:48 pm, "rich" wrote:
I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into
pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the
cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich
That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant
that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to
cut cable. Unless you're lucky enough to own a Hobie Cat with wider
holes for pedal drives that allow a real heavy duty chain with
protector and all, such as I got on my scooter. Such a chain is 100
bucks, but I can rest assured that the boat will always be there.
There is no such thing as a 100% effective security chain or cable.
Any chain or cable can be cut by the properly equipped thief. Security
chains and cables are only used to keep the relatively "honest" people
honest.
The only 100% effective way to not have something stolen is to not own
it!!
;-)
John Kuthe...
Sorry that I had to be away a couple of days. Anyways, here are my
thoughts...
I consider something "safe" when breaking it would make it so visible
or so noisy as to deter 99% of thieves. Kayaks fit in the former
category: They are usually too visible to walk away with (compared to,
say, bikes), though my ex wife's Ocean Kayak Drifter just "walked
away" in the middle of the night.
Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would
make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem,
possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so
NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that
they can sleep well. ;)
Oxyacetylene cutting torches are not noisy, and can cut any steel
made, no matter how hard or tough.
Yeah, I agree. The Python cables are pretty good protection
(PGP? ;-) ) I have one for my bicycle, and I use it! :-)
Sorry to say that my last stolen bike was taken with a Python and all
(the weaker of the two). I even saw the "rat" roll away with it, and
waved it goodbye.
Did the "rat" cut the cable, or was it just not securely locked up?
I didn't read that part...

The cable was securely locked to the bike rack which wasn't cut, so
somehow he cut the cable or broke the lock. Why he took it, I don't
know.

That makes little to no sense. "The cable was securely locked to the
bike rack which wasn't cut." Which wasn't cut, the cable or the bike
rack? The cable, I'm assuming, because to cut a bike rack sounds
almost impossible.

That's not the case, John.

When my first bike was stolen, which had been locked with two locks, one
steel cable model and one steel bar type, the police officer told me
that it's really simple. They either use a small pneumatic cutter, a
simple disk cutter or spray something of very low temperature on the
part and then hit it. Even strong and very expensive bicycle locks don't
survive that treatment.

Another tactic is to drive a van to where there are a lot of bicycles,
and cut the weakest link (isn't always the lock) to pick the best ones
and toss them quickly in the van, before disappearring.

Granted, our society has a lot more bicycles per person, and the use of
them for normal every day transportation is also higher, so there are
more bicycles around to be stolen... :-(
Having said that, there are all kinds (noth in price and quality) of
bicycle locks available here, including ones which are able to withstand
all kinds of cutting and freezing attacks (don't know about a torch :-)).

*I* know about the oxyacetylene cutting torch! I used to own one.
7000F flame and a jet of pure O2 to oxidize the Fe once it has been
heated to a liquid state.

As I said, no steel in the world can hold up intact. It's impossible.
And silent too! Of course it requires some hardware to make it happen.

John Kuthe...-

OK, I grant you that, but I'm talking about the nonpro rats who are
not going to bother. This one fits through the hole --and rodent
proof...

http://www.onguardlock.com/lockviewe...&model=5017LPT

Don't buy yet though. Too heavy, and not water resistant. My design
will be better, and you may be able to carry it on your kayak.

DO MANY KAYAKS GET STOLEN? DO YOU OFTEN WORRY AT YOUR DESTINATION THAT
BY LEAVING YOUR BOAT BEHIND YOU MAY NOT FIND IT WHEN GOING HOME? I go
to a few islands where I do. A motorboat may come around and... Just
makes me nervous.

best way to secure sit-on-tops
 

On Sep 9, 3:25 pm, donquijote1954 wrote:
What would be the best way to secure sot's through scupper holes?
Cables are prone to cutting, but perhaps something similar to a U-lock
for kayaks. Meant for permanent storage. Thanks in advance!

Lockable Tie Downs; a unique system that combines stainless steel
reinforced webbing tie-down straps with an integrated keyed locking
system
Slash proof two-time hardened stainless steel re-enforced cables
inside 1 1/3" UV-stabilized webbing straps make them virtually
impossible to cut through

http://www.seatosummit.com/products/display/62

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On Sep 17, 3:30 pm, Willi_H2O wrote:
On Sep 9, 3:25 pm, donquijote1954 wrote:

What would be the best way to secure sot's through scupper holes?
Cables are prone to cutting, but perhaps something similar to a U-lock
for kayaks. Meant for permanent storage. Thanks in advance!

Lockable Tie Downs; a unique system that combines stainless steel
reinforced webbing tie-down straps with an integrated keyed locking
system
Slash proof two-time hardened stainless steel re-enforced cables
inside 1 1/3" UV-stabilized webbing straps make them virtually
impossible to cut through

http://www.seatosummit.com/products/display/62

Neat. I got a different idea, kayak specific. Can't tell yet though...
(hush, hush)