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John H. September 8th 07 12:34 AM

I finally bit the bullet...
 
On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 18:17:50 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:


wrote in message
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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:43:00 -0500, John H. wrote:

On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:18:07 -0400, "JimH" ask
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
m...
I also forgot how to post apparently.

Dumbass.

Anyhoo....

I bought a GPS for my truck. TomTom ONE.

Man, this is a cool beans simple auto navigation system - no bells and
whistles - just straight navigation. If you want to add on stuff, you
can, but the base system is straight forward, simple and pretty damn
smart.

I live in a heavily wooded area and while driving around tonight to
see if I could give the GPS a headache, it was damn near impossible. I
could get it to start insisting that I turn around for about a mile,
but that was the worst - a mile later, it recalculated and presented
the correct route without prompting.

What surprized me was the sat aquisition time - less than 20 seconds
in my driveway and I had four satellites lock on and giving my
position. I compared the raw data (lat/lon) to my portable GPS and it
was spot on. I then took it to the boat and compared it to my marine
GPS - also spot on.

The night driving lighting is really nice - a calm blue scheme with
lighter shades of blue routes on a deep blue background - white road
lettering. Day lighting is crisp and clean with plenty of detail.

I was surprized at how accurate it was under tree cover along some of
the side roads I was traveling. The tracking was very accurate and
the directions were clear and precise.

My one complaint is the mount. I'm not big on window mounts. I'll
have to look around for a different mounting system.

Input is fairly intuitive with the touch screen. You will make a
mistake entering home the first time if only because TomTom is a Dutch
company and it's a very Euro oriented system. However, once you get
the base idea, everything falls into place quickly.

The 2D vs 3D display is personal preference. I like the 2D display
much better, but that's a personal preference thing.

For $200 is not a bad deal at all from Amazon.


Not a bad price but I still am not convinced I need one, although I still
drive over 2,000 miles every month. Although not perfect, Mapquest has
not
let me down 99.9% of the time. In those cases a cell phone call solves
the
problem

For our Baltimore-NYC-Boston-Maine trip next year we will also use AAA
TripTik services.

So......what made you finally decide to buy one?


If you're male, you should be able to read a map. However, they are handy
for finding a street address in a town which doesn't have an insert on
your
average state map.


Ever notice that when you are in a strange town trying to find some
particular
place, (especially at night) most of the streets do not have street signs,
and
buildings often don't have numbers?



Quite frankly, no.


Don't know if it's 'most', but anyone who hasn't had the problem hasn't
traveled much. Another pain in the ass is street signs that are turned 90
degrees!

JohnH September 8th 07 12:46 AM

I finally bit the bullet...
 
On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 19:32:17 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:


wrote in message
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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 19:24:22 -0500, John H. wrote:

On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 19:09:47 -0400, "JimH" ask
wrote:


wrote in message
m...
On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 18:37:53 -0400, "JimH" ask
wrote:


wrote in message
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On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 18:17:50 -0400, "JimH" ask
wrote:


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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:43:00 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:18:07 -0400, "JimH" ask
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
news:ls51e3lf801sp4ge7s4c534i76emgiv6g9 @4ax.com...
I also forgot how to post apparently.

Dumbass.

Anyhoo....

I bought a GPS for my truck. TomTom ONE.

Man, this is a cool beans simple auto navigation system - no
bells
and
whistles - just straight navigation. If you want to add on
stuff,
you
can, but the base system is straight forward, simple and pretty
damn
smart.

I live in a heavily wooded area and while driving around tonight
to
see if I could give the GPS a headache, it was damn near
impossible.
I
could get it to start insisting that I turn around for about a
mile,
but that was the worst - a mile later, it recalculated and
presented
the correct route without prompting.

What surprized me was the sat aquisition time - less than 20
seconds
in my driveway and I had four satellites lock on and giving my
position. I compared the raw data (lat/lon) to my portable GPS
and
it
was spot on. I then took it to the boat and compared it to my
marine
GPS - also spot on.

The night driving lighting is really nice - a calm blue scheme
with
lighter shades of blue routes on a deep blue background - white
road
lettering. Day lighting is crisp and clean with plenty of
detail.

I was surprized at how accurate it was under tree cover along
some
of
the side roads I was traveling. The tracking was very accurate
and
the directions were clear and precise.

My one complaint is the mount. I'm not big on window mounts.
I'll
have to look around for a different mounting system.

Input is fairly intuitive with the touch screen. You will make
a
mistake entering home the first time if only because TomTom is a
Dutch
company and it's a very Euro oriented system. However, once you
get
the base idea, everything falls into place quickly.

The 2D vs 3D display is personal preference. I like the 2D
display
much better, but that's a personal preference thing.

For $200 is not a bad deal at all from Amazon.


Not a bad price but I still am not convinced I need one, although
I
still
drive over 2,000 miles every month. Although not perfect,
Mapquest
has
not
let me down 99.9% of the time. In those cases a cell phone call
solves
the
problem

For our Baltimore-NYC-Boston-Maine trip next year we will also use
AAA
TripTik services.

So......what made you finally decide to buy one?


If you're male, you should be able to read a map. However, they are
handy
for finding a street address in a town which doesn't have an insert
on
your
average state map.

Ever notice that when you are in a strange town trying to find some
particular
place, (especially at night) most of the streets do not have street
signs,
and
buildings often don't have numbers?



Quite frankly, no.


Then you have never been anywhere!



I can safely bet that I have more miles, including air, behind me than
you
do. Perhaps I just know how to travel. ;-)


HIGHLY unlikely. Perhaps you just thought you went somewhere? Watching
TV
travel
shows DOES NOT count. We are talking about driving on streets, anyway.
I
agree
that you can probably find your way around a somewhat planned city such
as
NYC
without a map or a GPS. If you had really done any real traveling,
however, you
would know that those situations are the exception.

Here's a little navigation tip that may help you some day... When
driving
on a
moonless cloudy night in the mountains of Vermont and you make your 4th
turn
onto yet another unmarked dirt road deep in the woods, you can tell
which
general direction you are headed by looking at any house you pass. They
all have
TV dish antennas, and they are all aimed roughly SOUTH.

You're welcome

Not a problem.

BTW: I try not to travel on moonless nights on dirt roads deep in the
woods. What exactly are you looking for when doing so?

Why does the Dueling Banjo's song come to mind? ;-)


'Cause you're got a fear that perhaps there are some homosexual tendencies
that you're finding it hard to control? You alone, of all the folks here,
continuously intimate that others might be gay. You do this when there is
absolutely nothing to support your silly comments.

Strange.


neat=gay?

Who knew?



John is always trying to defend homosexuals. Make your own conclusions.


Jim, I'm not trying to 'defend' you, I'm trying to 'explain' you!

John H. September 8th 07 12:56 AM

I finally bit the bullet...
 
On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 18:37:53 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 18:17:50 -0400, "JimH" ask
wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:43:00 -0500, John H. wrote:

On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:18:07 -0400, "JimH" ask
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
news:ls51e3lf801sp4ge7s4c534i76emgiv6g9@4ax. com...
I also forgot how to post apparently.

Dumbass.

Anyhoo....

I bought a GPS for my truck. TomTom ONE.

Man, this is a cool beans simple auto navigation system - no bells
and
whistles - just straight navigation. If you want to add on stuff,
you
can, but the base system is straight forward, simple and pretty damn
smart.

I live in a heavily wooded area and while driving around tonight to
see if I could give the GPS a headache, it was damn near impossible.
I
could get it to start insisting that I turn around for about a mile,
but that was the worst - a mile later, it recalculated and presented
the correct route without prompting.

What surprized me was the sat aquisition time - less than 20 seconds
in my driveway and I had four satellites lock on and giving my
position. I compared the raw data (lat/lon) to my portable GPS and
it
was spot on. I then took it to the boat and compared it to my marine
GPS - also spot on.

The night driving lighting is really nice - a calm blue scheme with
lighter shades of blue routes on a deep blue background - white road
lettering. Day lighting is crisp and clean with plenty of detail.

I was surprized at how accurate it was under tree cover along some of
the side roads I was traveling. The tracking was very accurate and
the directions were clear and precise.

My one complaint is the mount. I'm not big on window mounts. I'll
have to look around for a different mounting system.

Input is fairly intuitive with the touch screen. You will make a
mistake entering home the first time if only because TomTom is a
Dutch
company and it's a very Euro oriented system. However, once you get
the base idea, everything falls into place quickly.

The 2D vs 3D display is personal preference. I like the 2D display
much better, but that's a personal preference thing.

For $200 is not a bad deal at all from Amazon.


Not a bad price but I still am not convinced I need one, although I
still
drive over 2,000 miles every month. Although not perfect, Mapquest has
not
let me down 99.9% of the time. In those cases a cell phone call solves
the
problem

For our Baltimore-NYC-Boston-Maine trip next year we will also use AAA
TripTik services.

So......what made you finally decide to buy one?


If you're male, you should be able to read a map. However, they are
handy
for finding a street address in a town which doesn't have an insert on
your
average state map.

Ever notice that when you are in a strange town trying to find some
particular
place, (especially at night) most of the streets do not have street
signs,
and
buildings often don't have numbers?



Quite frankly, no.


Then you have never been anywhere!



I can safely bet that I have more miles, including air, behind me than you
do. Perhaps I just know how to travel. ;-)


A daughter who got lost on her way to Ocean City, after you taught her. (It
doesn't take a detailed city map to find Ocean City!)

What the hell do air miles have to do with street signs and unreadable
addresses?

BTW, would you believe that Salty was an airline pilot for Northwest? Maybe
you should think before speaking.

John H. September 8th 07 01:24 AM

I finally bit the bullet...
 
On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 19:09:47 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 18:37:53 -0400, "JimH" ask
wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 18:17:50 -0400, "JimH" ask
wrote:


wrote in message
om...
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:43:00 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:18:07 -0400, "JimH" ask
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
news:ls51e3lf801sp4ge7s4c534i76emgiv6g9@4a x.com...
I also forgot how to post apparently.

Dumbass.

Anyhoo....

I bought a GPS for my truck. TomTom ONE.

Man, this is a cool beans simple auto navigation system - no bells
and
whistles - just straight navigation. If you want to add on stuff,
you
can, but the base system is straight forward, simple and pretty
damn
smart.

I live in a heavily wooded area and while driving around tonight to
see if I could give the GPS a headache, it was damn near
impossible.
I
could get it to start insisting that I turn around for about a
mile,
but that was the worst - a mile later, it recalculated and
presented
the correct route without prompting.

What surprized me was the sat aquisition time - less than 20
seconds
in my driveway and I had four satellites lock on and giving my
position. I compared the raw data (lat/lon) to my portable GPS and
it
was spot on. I then took it to the boat and compared it to my
marine
GPS - also spot on.

The night driving lighting is really nice - a calm blue scheme with
lighter shades of blue routes on a deep blue background - white
road
lettering. Day lighting is crisp and clean with plenty of detail.

I was surprized at how accurate it was under tree cover along some
of
the side roads I was traveling. The tracking was very accurate and
the directions were clear and precise.

My one complaint is the mount. I'm not big on window mounts. I'll
have to look around for a different mounting system.

Input is fairly intuitive with the touch screen. You will make a
mistake entering home the first time if only because TomTom is a
Dutch
company and it's a very Euro oriented system. However, once you
get
the base idea, everything falls into place quickly.

The 2D vs 3D display is personal preference. I like the 2D display
much better, but that's a personal preference thing.

For $200 is not a bad deal at all from Amazon.


Not a bad price but I still am not convinced I need one, although I
still
drive over 2,000 miles every month. Although not perfect, Mapquest
has
not
let me down 99.9% of the time. In those cases a cell phone call
solves
the
problem

For our Baltimore-NYC-Boston-Maine trip next year we will also use
AAA
TripTik services.

So......what made you finally decide to buy one?


If you're male, you should be able to read a map. However, they are
handy
for finding a street address in a town which doesn't have an insert on
your
average state map.

Ever notice that when you are in a strange town trying to find some
particular
place, (especially at night) most of the streets do not have street
signs,
and
buildings often don't have numbers?



Quite frankly, no.


Then you have never been anywhere!



I can safely bet that I have more miles, including air, behind me than you
do. Perhaps I just know how to travel. ;-)


HIGHLY unlikely. Perhaps you just thought you went somewhere? Watching TV
travel
shows DOES NOT count. We are talking about driving on streets, anyway. I
agree
that you can probably find your way around a somewhat planned city such as
NYC
without a map or a GPS. If you had really done any real traveling,
however, you
would know that those situations are the exception.

Here's a little navigation tip that may help you some day... When driving
on a
moonless cloudy night in the mountains of Vermont and you make your 4th
turn
onto yet another unmarked dirt road deep in the woods, you can tell which
general direction you are headed by looking at any house you pass. They
all have
TV dish antennas, and they are all aimed roughly SOUTH.

You're welcome


Not a problem.

BTW: I try not to travel on moonless nights on dirt roads deep in the
woods. What exactly are you looking for when doing so?

Why does the Dueling Banjo's song come to mind? ;-)


'Cause you're got a fear that perhaps there are some homosexual tendencies
that you're finding it hard to control? You alone, of all the folks here,
continuously intimate that others might be gay. You do this when there is
absolutely nothing to support your silly comments.

Strange.

Marc Heusser September 8th 07 08:38 AM

I finally bit the bullet...
 
In article ,
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

....
I bought a GPS for my truck. TomTom ONE.


Have a TomTom 910, rather happy with it too. Most useful in places you
have not been before.

Man, this is a cool beans simple auto navigation system - no bells and
whistles - just straight navigation. If you want to add on stuff, you
can, but the base system is straight forward, simple and pretty damn
smart.

I live in a heavily wooded area and while driving around tonight to
see if I could give the GPS a headache, it was damn near impossible. I
could get it to start insisting that I turn around for about a mile,
but that was the worst - a mile later, it recalculated and presented
the correct route without prompting.


In dense cities like over here it will recalculate often after 100
metres. Without complaints!
I find the spoken directions to be very much to the point, no chatter.
It taught me some new ways in a city I have lived for quite a few years.
I even use it to remind me if I have to drive a route that differs
slightly from my trodden tracks ("my autopilot") :-)

Also: If a road is blocked, you want to avoid a certain point, or travel
through a given point - this is all readily done with a few clicks
simple enough even when driving (eg find alternative road block
100m). I also like the way it remembers previous addresses eg when
entering the city with the keyboard (touch screen) it will present the
last few used cities directly to select, if you have selected a city it
will present the last few streets in this city etc.

What surprized me was the sat aquisition time - less than 20 seconds
in my driveway and I had four satellites lock on and giving my
position.


That's because of the receiver, probably SIRFIII - they are good.

The night driving lighting is really nice - a calm blue scheme with
lighter shades of blue routes on a deep blue background - white road
lettering. Day lighting is crisp and clean with plenty of detail.

I was surprized at how accurate it was under tree cover along some of
the side roads I was traveling. The tracking was very accurate and
the directions were clear and precise.


Trouble comes (relatively) only if you are covered by electrical wires
overhead (tramway lines over here) or concrete with steel in it
(buildings, tunnels, also frequent over here). It will track all the
same using the magnetic compass, and previous speed info.

What can happen though is that it will indicate you are driving in the
water when you are still on the street follwing the waterway (off by 20
m) - but this is the limit of GPS unless you use differential GPS (eg
satellite based), which you usually only get for navigating on sea.
This will improve accuracy up to say 3-6 metres.

....
Input is fairly intuitive with the touch screen. You will make a
mistake entering home the first time if only because TomTom is a Dutch
company and it's a very Euro oriented system. However, once you get
the base idea, everything falls into place quickly.


It is not the Euro thing, but rather that it is not Windows based, but
Symbian (a different operating system, lean, geared towards touch
screens, cleaner user interface like Mac etc)

Enjoy

Marc

--
Switzerland/Europe
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HK September 13th 07 07:37 PM

I finally bit the bullet...
 
JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
I also forgot how to post apparently.

Dumbass.

Anyhoo....

I bought a GPS for my truck. TomTom ONE.

Man, this is a cool beans simple auto navigation system - no bells and
whistles - just straight navigation. If you want to add on stuff, you
can, but the base system is straight forward, simple and pretty damn
smart.

I live in a heavily wooded area and while driving around tonight to
see if I could give the GPS a headache, it was damn near impossible. I
could get it to start insisting that I turn around for about a mile,
but that was the worst - a mile later, it recalculated and presented
the correct route without prompting.

What surprized me was the sat aquisition time - less than 20 seconds
in my driveway and I had four satellites lock on and giving my
position. I compared the raw data (lat/lon) to my portable GPS and it
was spot on. I then took it to the boat and compared it to my marine
GPS - also spot on.

The night driving lighting is really nice - a calm blue scheme with
lighter shades of blue routes on a deep blue background - white road
lettering. Day lighting is crisp and clean with plenty of detail.

I was surprized at how accurate it was under tree cover along some of
the side roads I was traveling. The tracking was very accurate and
the directions were clear and precise.

My one complaint is the mount. I'm not big on window mounts. I'll
have to look around for a different mounting system.

Input is fairly intuitive with the touch screen. You will make a
mistake entering home the first time if only because TomTom is a Dutch
company and it's a very Euro oriented system. However, once you get
the base idea, everything falls into place quickly.

The 2D vs 3D display is personal preference. I like the 2D display
much better, but that's a personal preference thing.

For $200 is not a bad deal at all from Amazon.


OK, OK, I am now a believer. A customer showed me his Garmin this
morning............all I can say is WOW, I GOTTA GET ONE.

So the question becomes...........Tom-Tom or Garmin?

Which is preferred by those having one of these units?




Whichever one YOU find easiest to use and SEE...

Eisboch September 13th 07 07:47 PM

I finally bit the bullet...
 

"JimH" ask wrote in message
...


OK, OK, I am now a believer. A customer showed me his Garmin this
morning............all I can say is WOW, I GOTTA GET ONE.

So the question becomes...........Tom-Tom or Garmin?

Which is preferred by those having one of these units?



My opinion:

For the car: Tom-Tom
For the boat: Garmin

Tom-Tom is a user friendly, simple to operate auto GPS that requires very
little operator interaction to use. (Good when traveling at highway speeds
and need to pay attention to the road).

Eisboch





[email protected] September 13th 07 08:23 PM

I finally bit the bullet...
 
On Sep 7, 4:18 pm, "JimH" ask wrote:


Not a bad price but I still am not convinced I need one, although I still drive over 2,000 miles every
month. Although not perfect, Mapquest has not
let me down 99.9% of the time. In those cases a cell
phone call solves the
problem

For our Baltimore-NYC-Boston-Maine trip next year we
will also use AAA TripTik services.


I'm with you....GPS is fantastically useful and (to me) essential on
the water, but I am not sold on them as being necessary at all in a
car or truck, where street signs, maps, and directions that you can
print off mapquest before you leave, can get you pretty much where you
want to go. (Not that I don't appreciate the luxury and convenience
of the nav systems in cars that talk to you and tell you where to
turn, etc; but for a known cheapskate like me - like I said I just
don't feel a need so far.)

richforman


Reginald P. Smithers III September 13th 07 08:44 PM

I finally bit the bullet...
 
JimH wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"JimH" ask wrote in message
...

OK, OK, I am now a believer. A customer showed me his Garmin this
morning............all I can say is WOW, I GOTTA GET ONE.

So the question becomes...........Tom-Tom or Garmin?

Which is preferred by those having one of these units?


My opinion:

For the car: Tom-Tom
For the boat: Garmin

Tom-Tom is a user friendly, simple to operate auto GPS that requires very
little operator interaction to use. (Good when traveling at highway speeds
and need to pay attention to the road).

Eisboch





Which Tom-Tom unit did you purchase?


I can assure you he purchased the most expensive one. ;)

When you have Richards money, you buy the most expensive one.


Marc Heusser September 13th 07 09:53 PM

I finally bit the bullet...
 
In article ,
"JimH" ask wrote:

So the question becomes...........Tom-Tom or Garmin?


I went with Tom-Tom (910) and I am very happy with it, especially the
user interface. eg you see a blocked road ahead - one tap to get the
menu, another to get "find alternative" then one for "road block", and
it will let you select 100m, 300m 1000m etc.
Very unobtrusive but clear instructions. Nice views, switches to night
colors and night level automatically etc etc I just like the user
interface. And take the functionality for granted. Great GPS receiver
too.

Some people say the maps of Tom-Tom are better in Europe than in the
States. As I do not have another one to compare, you'd have to.

HTH

Marc

--
Switzerland/Europe
http://www.heusser.com
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