What truck?
 

I b'leve my old Nissan is gonna soon go to old truck paradise but i'll
get another 25K miles outta her (it'll read 333,333 then) first. So,
what then? I need a tow vehicle for my boat and as you see I like to
keep my trucks waaaaay past any reasonable retirement age. However, I
loathe gadgets and power crap and ANYTHING that can get broke. Simple
is best, no power seats, no fu**&*g lights that dont turn off till I
go back to make sure the door isnt open, no built in GPS, no damned
radio, just SIMPLE transportation. Reliability and ease of fixing is a
major issue as is longevity. So, what is there?

A hi tek luddite

What truck?
 

On Sep 6, 4:39?pm, Frogwatch wrote:
I b'leve my old Nissan is gonna soon go to old truck paradise but i'll
get another 25K miles outta her (it'll read 333,333 then) first. So,
what then? I need a tow vehicle for my boat and as you see I like to
keep my trucks waaaaay past any reasonable retirement age. However, I
loathe gadgets and power crap and ANYTHING that can get broke. Simple
is best, no power seats, no fu**&*g lights that dont turn off till I
go back to make sure the door isnt open, no built in GPS, no damned
radio, just SIMPLE transportation. Reliability and ease of fixing is a
major issue as is longevity. So, what is there?

A hi tek luddite

Here you go:

No "gimmicks or power crap". No "f*ing lights that don't turn off till
I go back to make sure the door isn't open.". No GPS. no radio, just
simple transportation. As far as longevity goes......WOW!

http://www.hubcapcafe.com/ocs/pages01/f1001501.htm


:-)

What truck?
 

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 17:04:04 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Sep 6, 4:39?pm, Frogwatch wrote:
I b'leve my old Nissan is gonna soon go to old truck paradise but i'll
get another 25K miles outta her (it'll read 333,333 then) first. So,
what then? I need a tow vehicle for my boat and as you see I like to
keep my trucks waaaaay past any reasonable retirement age. However, I
loathe gadgets and power crap and ANYTHING that can get broke. Simple
is best, no power seats, no fu**&*g lights that dont turn off till I
go back to make sure the door isnt open, no built in GPS, no damned
radio, just SIMPLE transportation. Reliability and ease of fixing is a
major issue as is longevity. So, what is there?

A hi tek luddite

Here you go:

No "gimmicks or power crap". No "f*ing lights that don't turn off till
I go back to make sure the door isn't open.". No GPS. no radio, just
simple transportation. As far as longevity goes......WOW!

http://www.hubcapcafe.com/ocs/pages01/f1001501.htm


:-)

I take back everything I ever said about you not having a sense of
humor.

ROTFL!!!

What truck?
 

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:39:13 -0700, Frogwatch
wrote:

A hi tek luddite

http://www.hindleysgarage.com/gallery_38int.htm

What truck?
 

On Sep 6, 6:39 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
I b'leve my old Nissan is gonna soon go to old truck paradise but i'll
get another 25K miles outta her (it'll read 333,333 then) first. So,
what then? I need a tow vehicle for my boat and as you see I like to
keep my trucks waaaaay past any reasonable retirement age. However, I
loathe gadgets and power crap and ANYTHING that can get broke. Simple
is best, no power seats, no fu**&*g lights that dont turn off till I
go back to make sure the door isnt open, no built in GPS, no damned
radio, just SIMPLE transportation. Reliability and ease of fixing is a
major issue as is longevity. So, what is there?

A hi tek luddite

Just what the Dotcor orderd.

a Kaiser/Willys M-715

http://www.steelsoldiers.com/index.p...fid=pic1&pid=7

http://www.olive-drab.com/idphoto/id_photos_m715.php3


ask JohnH or Tom Shortwave for details.....

What truck?
 

On Sep 6, 9:42 pm, Tim wrote:
On Sep 6, 6:39 pm, Frogwatch wrote:

I b'leve my old Nissan is gonna soon go to old truck paradise but i'll
get another 25K miles outta her (it'll read 333,333 then) first. So,
what then? I need a tow vehicle for my boat and as you see I like to
keep my trucks waaaaay past any reasonable retirement age. However, I
loathe gadgets and power crap and ANYTHING that can get broke. Simple
is best, no power seats, no fu**&*g lights that dont turn off till I
go back to make sure the door isnt open, no built in GPS, no damned
radio, just SIMPLE transportation. Reliability and ease of fixing is a
major issue as is longevity. So, what is there?

A hi tek luddite

Just what the Dotcor orderd.

a Kaiser/Willys M-715

http://www.steelsoldiers.com/index.p...r&type=file&fu...

http://www.olive-drab.com/idphoto/id_photos_m715.php3

ask JohnH or Tom Shortwave for details.....

For awhile I was obsessed with a 1939 Chevy 2 ton dually truck with a
flat bed. It was as simple as it could be. However, even I admit
there have been a few good advances in automotive tech, like
electronic ignition. I can still set the timing on a vehicle with
points and condensor but doing it every few thou miles gets old. I
love modern tires compared to the old ones.

What truck?
 

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:39:13 -0700, Frogwatch
wrote:

I b'leve my old Nissan is gonna soon go to old truck paradise but i'll
get another 25K miles outta her (it'll read 333,333 then) first. So,
what then? I need a tow vehicle for my boat and as you see I like to
keep my trucks waaaaay past any reasonable retirement age. However, I
loathe gadgets and power crap and ANYTHING that can get broke. Simple
is best, no power seats, no fu**&*g lights that dont turn off till I
go back to make sure the door isnt open, no built in GPS, no damned
radio, just SIMPLE transportation. Reliability and ease of fixing is a
major issue as is longevity. So, what is there?

A hi tek luddite

How much boat are you pulling? My Sierra has only 135K MILES, but it could
be bought!

I'm thinking of a Toyota 4 Runner. The V8 will pull 7000lbs according to
the local salesman. Haven't checked any further than that as I'm thinking
of pulling something in the neighborhood of 3500.

What truck?
 

On Sep 6, 10:23 pm, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 19:16:34 -0700, Frogwatch wrote:
For awhile I was obsessed with a 1939 Chevy 2 ton dually truck with a
flat bed. It was as simple as it could be. However, even I admit
there have been a few good advances in automotive tech, like
electronic ignition. I can still set the timing on a vehicle with
points and condensor but doing it every few thou miles gets old. I
love modern tires compared to the old ones.

Those old GM's had a 216 inch straight 6 that didn't even feature an oil pump!
It was known as "splash lubrication". There were these little scoops bolted to
the bottoms of the con rods that splashed the oil around.

I looked under the hood of that old chevy and just about fell in
love. Everything looked familiar instead of looking like some
adaptation of alien technology from Area 51.
What I'd like is a 2007 version of very basic technology. Why cant we
have a modern engine made with modern long lasting materials without
all the gadgets? Yes, fuel injection is a greta thing so we do need a
little elecronics but why build something you have to have an EE
degree in to work on.
My 1987 era diesel engine on my sailboat is a good example of such
design philosophy, simple, modern technology and materials and so dang
reliable it makes me love it.
Really, does EVERYBODY want power windows? Doesnt anybody else hate
those damned interior lights that dont turn off for 5 minutes? Does
ANYBODY care about a "CHECK ENGINE" light that doesnt tell you ****?

What truck?
 

On Sep 6, 9:23 pm, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 19:16:34 -0700, Frogwatch wrote:
For awhile I was obsessed with a 1939 Chevy 2 ton dually truck with a
flat bed. It was as simple as it could be. However, even I admit
there have been a few good advances in automotive tech, like
electronic ignition. I can still set the timing on a vehicle with
points and condensor but doing it every few thou miles gets old. I
love modern tires compared to the old ones.

Those old GM's had a 216 inch straight 6 that didn't even feature an oil pump!
It was known as "splash lubrication". There were these little scoops bolted to
the bottoms of the con rods that splashed the oil around.


Not sure, but I think the 39's did have an oil pump, but they
stillused the "splash" system up till about 1966... I think.

What got me was about 10 years before, the chevy was an OHV engine,
and to oil the rocker arms and valves, they used a "tube" full of
wicker material instead of a valve cover, and you had to keep it wet
by pouring a quart of oil on top of the wicker so it could drip it's
way though to the head then into the crank case.

Yeah, I believe modern engines are an improvement.

What truck?
 

What truck?
 

On Sep 6, 9:35 pm, Frogwatch wrote:

Really, does EVERYBODY want power windows?

Get used to the coming attractions. No auto mfj. is going to offer
crank windows as of this year, from what I gather. The cheap little
electric motors are easier for the factory to install.

Doesnt anybody else hate
those damned interior lights that dont turn off for 5 minutes?

I'm not a fan of them.

Does ANYBODY care about a "CHECK ENGINE" light that doesnt tell you
****?

No problem there. the light is easily covered with a strip of black
electrical tape (or stuff a pic of your wife,girlfriend grandkids in
front of it)!

What truck?
 

On Sep 6, 10:58 pm, Jack Redington wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 19:16:34 -0700, Frogwatch wrote:

For awhile I was obsessed with a 1939 Chevy 2 ton dually truck with a
flat bed. It was as simple as it could be. However, even I admit
there have been a few good advances in automotive tech, like
electronic ignition. I can still set the timing on a vehicle with
points and condensor but doing it every few thou miles gets old. I
love modern tires compared to the old ones.

Those old GM's had a 216 inch straight 6 that didn't even feature an oil pump!
It was known as "splash lubrication". There were these little scoops bolted to
the bottoms of the con rods that splashed the oil around.

Yep and they ran great. No oil filter either and a oil-bath air cleaner
that had a wire/hardware cloth type mesh. My first car was a 1939 Master
85 four door sedan. The biggest draw back was the vacume driven
windshild wipers. When you hit the brakes they would sssloooowwww down -
sometimes to a crawl.

I had a thing for old cars in my teens and thats what I bought.

Capt Jack R..

My current truck is a 4 cyl Nissan 4wd but I have an old Dodge Ram to
tow the Tolman. Neither truck will last much longer. I keep the old
Nissan running just out of stubborness and because it makes my
employees feel bad that they drive new trucks while the boss drives a
beater.
Re-did the front brakes today. Noticed the front right 4wd driveaxle
rubber boot is shredded. It doesnt turn until I engage 4WD AND get
out and lock in the manual hubs so it may be OK since I have not used
it this year. SO, instead of buying a new 4wd front driveaxle, I
just cleaned it out, wrapped an old inner tube round it, greased it
real good and held it in place with cable ties. I bet I get another
year of use out of it. Center support bearing on the driveshaft goes
out every 75,000 miles and has gone agin so I took it off, I'll bite
the bullet and pay someone to press it off and put on a new one. Now
that summer is nearly over, here in humid N. FL, I have decided I want
to get my blower motor to work for ventilation but just about gave up
geting it out of the dash. Ventilation is for WIMPS. I really dont
want to fix the broken key switch cuz the way it is keeps my wife from
driving it. Tried to fix the door handles because I get tired of
rolling down the windows to open the door from the outside but found
all the little plastic bushings are gone so nothing in the doors
works. Maybe I'll get rid of the door handles and just keep em closed
with bungee cords.......

What truck?
 

70-75 F250.
JR

Frogwatch wrote:

I b'leve my old Nissan is gonna soon go to old truck paradise but i'll
get another 25K miles outta her (it'll read 333,333 then) first. So,
what then? I need a tow vehicle for my boat and as you see I like to
keep my trucks waaaaay past any reasonable retirement age. However, I
loathe gadgets and power crap and ANYTHING that can get broke. Simple
is best, no power seats, no fu**&*g lights that dont turn off till I
go back to make sure the door isnt open, no built in GPS, no damned
radio, just SIMPLE transportation. Reliability and ease of fixing is a
major issue as is longevity. So, what is there?

A hi tek luddite



--
--------------------------------------------------------------
Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth

What truck?
 

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:30:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

I'm thinking of a Toyota 4 Runner. The V8 will pull 7000lbs according to
the local salesman. Haven't checked any further than that as I'm thinking
of pulling something in the neighborhood of 3500.

If you do much towing you'll be happier with a longer wheelbase. It
helps to stabilize the trailer from swaying and bouncing.

What truck?
 

Tim wrote:
On Sep 6, 9:35 pm, Frogwatch wrote:

Really, does EVERYBODY want power windows?

Get used to the coming attractions. No auto mfj. is going to offer
crank windows as of this year, from what I gather. The cheap little
electric motors are easier for the factory to install.

Doesnt anybody else hate
those damned interior lights that dont turn off for 5 minutes?

I'm not a fan of them.

Does ANYBODY care about a "CHECK ENGINE" light that doesnt tell you
****?

No problem there. the light is easily covered with a strip of black
electrical tape (or stuff a pic of your wife,girlfriend grandkids in
front of it)!



The Check Engine light is also part of the pollution control system.
Every time I had the light go on, it was due to excess emissions,
because I did not tighten the gas cap tight enough.

What truck?
 

Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:30:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

I'm thinking of a Toyota 4 Runner. The V8 will pull 7000lbs according to
the local salesman. Haven't checked any further than that as I'm thinking
of pulling something in the neighborhood of 3500.

If you do much towing you'll be happier with a longer wheelbase. It
helps to stabilize the trailer from swaying and bouncing.



Jeeez...ever towed a boat with a V8 4 Runner, Wayne? No? I didn't think
so. I have. I've towed a boat and trailer *over* the 4 Runner's capacity
without having the rig sway and bounce. The V8 4 Runner is a very, very
capable tow vehicle for reasonably sized boats. Even the V6 4 Runner
will handle a 3500 pound boat and trailer with aplomb. The V8 also has
part-time four-wheel drive you can turn on at a slippery ramp.

4 Runners are the most popular SUV at the boat ramps. It's a great
vehicle. I believe I read that 2008 is a "redesign" year for 4 Runner. I
hope they keep the truck ladder frame, because I'll be in the market for
a new one in a year or so.

I hate to pass along useful information to someone like Herring, but if
he is looking at a 4 Runner as a new car and tow vehicle, he's looking
in the right place.

What truck?
 

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 06:52:39 -0400, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:30:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

I'm thinking of a Toyota 4 Runner. The V8 will pull 7000lbs according to
the local salesman. Haven't checked any further than that as I'm thinking
of pulling something in the neighborhood of 3500.
If you do much towing you'll be happier with a longer wheelbase. It
helps to stabilize the trailer from swaying and bouncing.


Jeeez...ever towed a boat with a V8 4 Runner, Wayne? No? I didn't think
so. I have. I've towed a boat and trailer *over* the 4 Runner's capacity
without having the rig sway and bounce. The V8 4 Runner is a very, very
capable tow vehicle for reasonably sized boats. Even the V6 4 Runner
will handle a 3500 pound boat and trailer with aplomb. The V8 also has
part-time four-wheel drive you can turn on at a slippery ramp.

Harry,
You have stated many times (possible hundreds of times) that you do not
like to tow a boat and have never towed a boat more than a few miles to
the local boat ramp. Your position has always been that you would
rather rent a boat at the location, than tow a boat. Is it possible
that Wayne was talking about towing a boat more than a few miles? Is it
possible that towing a boat at high speeds would impact in how much a
boat and trailer? Is it possible that passing or being passed by a high
speed semi-truck would impact on the amount of sway the boat/trailer
would have? You probably didn't notice Wayne's comment about "if you do
much towing you'll be happier with a longer wheelbase".

Since you do not do much towing, his comment was not inapplicable to you.


4 Runners are the most popular SUV at the boat ramps. It's a great
vehicle. I believe I read that 2008 is a "redesign" year for 4 Runner. I
hope they keep the truck ladder frame, because I'll be in the market for
a new one in a year or so.

I hate to pass along useful information to someone like Herring, but if
he is looking at a 4 Runner as a new car and tow vehicle, he's looking
in the right place.

Harry, you are so knowledgeable! Your advice is always most welcome and
appreciated!

Sorry to say that 2008 is the redesign year for the Highlander, but not the
4 Runner. However, I'll tell them your belief, and I'm sure they'll change
their planning!

What truck?
 

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 06:52:39 -0400, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:30:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

I'm thinking of a Toyota 4 Runner. The V8 will pull 7000lbs
according to
the local salesman. Haven't checked any further than that as I'm
thinking
of pulling something in the neighborhood of 3500.
If you do much towing you'll be happier with a longer wheelbase. It
helps to stabilize the trailer from swaying and bouncing.


Jeeez...ever towed a boat with a V8 4 Runner, Wayne? No? I didn't
think so. I have. I've towed a boat and trailer *over* the 4 Runner's
capacity without having the rig sway and bounce. The V8 4 Runner is a
very, very capable tow vehicle for reasonably sized boats. Even the
V6 4 Runner will handle a 3500 pound boat and trailer with aplomb.
The V8 also has part-time four-wheel drive you can turn on at a
slippery ramp.

Damn I hate to edit a post when I am on the phone. Here is the correct
edit.

Harry,
You have stated many times (possible hundreds of times) that you do not
like to tow a boat and have never towed a boat more than a few miles to
the local boat ramp. Your position has always been that you would
rather rent a boat at the location, than tow a boat. Is it possible
that Wayne was talking about towing a boat more than a few miles? Is it
possible that towing a boat at high speeds would impact in how much a
boat and trailer swayed and bounced? Is it possible that passing or being passed by a high
speed semi-truck would impact on the amount of sway the boat/trailer
would have? You probably didn't notice Wayne's comment about "if you do
much towing you'll be happier with a longer wheelbase".

Since you do not do much towing, his comment was not inapplicable to you.

What truck?
 

On Sep 7, 7:20 am, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 18:42:00 -0700, Tim wrote:
On Sep 6, 6:39 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
I b'leve my old Nissan is gonna soon go to old truck paradise but i'll
get another 25K miles outta her (it'll read 333,333 then) first. So,
what then? I need a tow vehicle for my boat and as you see I like to
keep my trucks waaaaay past any reasonable retirement age. However, I
loathe gadgets and power crap and ANYTHING that can get broke. Simple
is best, no power seats, no fu**&*g lights that dont turn off till I
go back to make sure the door isnt open, no built in GPS, no damned
radio, just SIMPLE transportation. Reliability and ease of fixing is a
major issue as is longevity. So, what is there?

A hi tek luddite

Just what the Dotcor orderd.

a Kaiser/Willys M-715

http://www.steelsoldiers.com/index.p...r&type=file&fu...

http://www.olive-drab.com/idphoto/id_photos_m715.php3

ask JohnH or Tom Shortwave for details.....

Well, not that one exactly, but my first job in the Army was in an
Artillery Battalion in Fort Devins, Mass. I was chief of the Fire Direction
Control (FDC) section for a 105mm Howitzer Battery. The FDC section had the
M37, 3/4 ton as its primary mover. The thing had the most underpowered
straight six ever made!

http://www.olive-drab.com/idphoto/id_photos_m37.php3


Oh I know, John, thats why I sugggested the m-715 The 37 was a bull
of a truck, just no power.

Thanks for the post. Brought back some good memories, like the time we
almost shelled Ayer, Mass.- Hide quoted text -



Now THAT would have been interesting.

What truck?
 

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 18:42:00 -0700, Tim wrote:

On Sep 6, 6:39 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
I b'leve my old Nissan is gonna soon go to old truck paradise but i'll
get another 25K miles outta her (it'll read 333,333 then) first. So,
what then? I need a tow vehicle for my boat and as you see I like to
keep my trucks waaaaay past any reasonable retirement age. However, I
loathe gadgets and power crap and ANYTHING that can get broke. Simple
is best, no power seats, no fu**&*g lights that dont turn off till I
go back to make sure the door isnt open, no built in GPS, no damned
radio, just SIMPLE transportation. Reliability and ease of fixing is a
major issue as is longevity. So, what is there?

A hi tek luddite

Just what the Dotcor orderd.

a Kaiser/Willys M-715

http://www.steelsoldiers.com/index.p...fid=pic1&pid=7

http://www.olive-drab.com/idphoto/id_photos_m715.php3


ask JohnH or Tom Shortwave for details.....

Well, not that one exactly, but my first job in the Army was in an
Artillery Battalion in Fort Devins, Mass. I was chief of the Fire Direction
Control (FDC) section for a 105mm Howitzer Battery. The FDC section had the
M37, 3/4 ton as its primary mover. The thing had the most underpowered
straight six ever made!

http://www.olive-drab.com/idphoto/id_photos_m37.php3

Thanks for the post. Brought back some good memories, like the time we
almost shelled Ayer, Mass.

What truck?
 

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:32:37 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:30:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

I'm thinking of a Toyota 4 Runner. The V8 will pull 7000lbs according to
the local salesman. Haven't checked any further than that as I'm thinking
of pulling something in the neighborhood of 3500.

If you do much towing you'll be happier with a longer wheelbase. It
helps to stabilize the trailer from swaying and bouncing.

Wouldn't having the proper tongue weight get rid of much of that? When I
bought the Proline, it did a lot of swaying and acting weird. I checked,
and the tongue weight was only a little over 100lbs, plus the transom hung
out over the last rollers by over a foot.

Adjustments allowed me to pull the boat forward and increase the tongue
weight to the proper amount (about 450lbs). That made a nice difference in
the way the boat handled and in pulling it up a ramp.

The original owner had never towed it. The dealer towed it to the marina,
launched it, parked the trailer, and it was never used again until I bought
the boat. The marina went out of business. Bunch of dumb ****s. They wanted
$450 to transfer the warranty on the boat to me. When I called Proline and
told them this, they were ****ed. Proline did it for $50, which is still a
ripoff.

What truck?
 

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 06:52:39 -0400, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:30:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

I'm thinking of a Toyota 4 Runner. The V8 will pull 7000lbs according to
the local salesman. Haven't checked any further than that as I'm thinking
of pulling something in the neighborhood of 3500.

If you do much towing you'll be happier with a longer wheelbase. It
helps to stabilize the trailer from swaying and bouncing.



Jeeez...ever towed a boat with a V8 4 Runner, Wayne? No? I didn't think
so. I have. I've towed a boat and trailer *over* the 4 Runner's capacity
without having the rig sway and bounce. The V8 4 Runner is a very, very
capable tow vehicle for reasonably sized boats. Even the V6 4 Runner
will handle a 3500 pound boat and trailer with aplomb. The V8 also has
part-time four-wheel drive you can turn on at a slippery ramp.

4 Runners are the most popular SUV at the boat ramps. It's a great
vehicle. I believe I read that 2008 is a "redesign" year for 4 Runner. I
hope they keep the truck ladder frame, because I'll be in the market for
a new one in a year or so.

I hate to pass along useful information to someone like Herring, but if
he is looking at a 4 Runner as a new car and tow vehicle, he's looking
in the right place.

Harry, you are so knowledgeable! Your advice is always most welcome and
appreciated!

Sorry to say that 2008 is the redesign year for the Highlander, but not the
4 Runner. However, I'll tell them your belief, and I'm sure they'll change
their planning!

What truck?
 

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 08:08:08 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 06:52:39 -0400, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:30:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

I'm thinking of a Toyota 4 Runner. The V8 will pull 7000lbs
according to
the local salesman. Haven't checked any further than that as I'm
thinking
of pulling something in the neighborhood of 3500.
If you do much towing you'll be happier with a longer wheelbase. It
helps to stabilize the trailer from swaying and bouncing.

Jeeez...ever towed a boat with a V8 4 Runner, Wayne? No? I didn't
think so. I have. I've towed a boat and trailer *over* the 4 Runner's
capacity without having the rig sway and bounce. The V8 4 Runner is a
very, very capable tow vehicle for reasonably sized boats. Even the
V6 4 Runner will handle a 3500 pound boat and trailer with aplomb.
The V8 also has part-time four-wheel drive you can turn on at a
slippery ramp.
Damn I hate to edit a post when I am on the phone. Here is the correct
edit.

Harry,
You have stated many times (possible hundreds of times) that you do not
like to tow a boat and have never towed a boat more than a few miles to
the local boat ramp. Your position has always been that you would
rather rent a boat at the location, than tow a boat. Is it possible
that Wayne was talking about towing a boat more than a few miles? Is it
possible that towing a boat at high speeds would impact in how much a
boat and trailer swayed and bounced? Is it possible that passing or being passed by a high
speed semi-truck would impact on the amount of sway the boat/trailer
would have? You probably didn't notice Wayne's comment about "if you do
much towing you'll be happier with a longer wheelbase".

Since you do not do much towing, his comment was not inapplicable to you.

What did you edit? "Not inapplicable" seems applicable to Harry's applied
physics application.


It should read not applicable. ;)

What truck?
 

How in the heck can one confuse a 3 for a 7!

That could have been brutal. Even though you were in the right, John,
it was still your fault. LOL!


John H. wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:09:23 -0000, Tim wrote:

On Sep 7, 7:20 am, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 18:42:00 -0700, Tim wrote:
On Sep 6, 6:39 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
I b'leve my old Nissan is gonna soon go to old truck paradise but i'll
get another 25K miles outta her (it'll read 333,333 then) first. So,
what then? I need a tow vehicle for my boat and as you see I like to
keep my trucks waaaaay past any reasonable retirement age. However, I
loathe gadgets and power crap and ANYTHING that can get broke. Simple
is best, no power seats, no fu**&*g lights that dont turn off till I
go back to make sure the door isnt open, no built in GPS, no damned
radio, just SIMPLE transportation. Reliability and ease of fixing is a
major issue as is longevity. So, what is there?

A hi tek luddite

Just what the Dotcor orderd.

a Kaiser/Willys M-715

http://www.steelsoldiers.com/index.p...r&type=file&fu...

http://www.olive-drab.com/idphoto/id_photos_m715.php3

ask JohnH or Tom Shortwave for details.....

Well, not that one exactly, but my first job in the Army was in an
Artillery Battalion in Fort Devins, Mass. I was chief of the Fire Direction
Control (FDC) section for a 105mm Howitzer Battery. The FDC section had the
M37, 3/4 ton as its primary mover. The thing had the most underpowered
straight six ever made!

http://www.olive-drab.com/idphoto/id_photos_m37.php3


Oh I know, John, thats why I sugggested the m-715 The 37 was a bull
of a truck, just no power.

Thanks for the post. Brought back some good memories, like the time we
almost shelled Ayer, Mass.- Hide quoted text -



Now THAT would have been interesting.

I told the XO over the phone, "Charge 3". He yelled to the gunners, "Charge
7". I could hear him through the tent. You've never heard anyone yell,
"Cease Fire!" so loud in your life. It made one of the visiting general's
jump back, lose his balance, and fall backwards out of his chair.

My LT started to jump in my ****, so I told him to go check the guns, see
what charge was loaded. Sure enough, it was charge 7, which would have put
six 105mm HE rounds in downtown Ayer. That probably would have been a big
loss though, now that I think about it!

What truck?
 

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:25:22 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Sure enough, it was charge 7, which would have put
six 105mm HE rounds in downtown Ayer.

Wouldn't have been much of a loss. :)

Oh, I should not have said that.

Still true though. :)

Did I ever tell you the 101st Airborne base camp artillery duel with
one of their own fire bases story?

What truck?
 

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:09:23 -0000, Tim wrote:

On Sep 7, 7:20 am, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 18:42:00 -0700, Tim wrote:
On Sep 6, 6:39 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
I b'leve my old Nissan is gonna soon go to old truck paradise but i'll
get another 25K miles outta her (it'll read 333,333 then) first. So,
what then? I need a tow vehicle for my boat and as you see I like to
keep my trucks waaaaay past any reasonable retirement age. However, I
loathe gadgets and power crap and ANYTHING that can get broke. Simple
is best, no power seats, no fu**&*g lights that dont turn off till I
go back to make sure the door isnt open, no built in GPS, no damned
radio, just SIMPLE transportation. Reliability and ease of fixing is a
major issue as is longevity. So, what is there?

A hi tek luddite

Just what the Dotcor orderd.

a Kaiser/Willys M-715

http://www.steelsoldiers.com/index.p...r&type=file&fu...

http://www.olive-drab.com/idphoto/id_photos_m715.php3

ask JohnH or Tom Shortwave for details.....

Well, not that one exactly, but my first job in the Army was in an
Artillery Battalion in Fort Devins, Mass. I was chief of the Fire Direction
Control (FDC) section for a 105mm Howitzer Battery. The FDC section had the
M37, 3/4 ton as its primary mover. The thing had the most underpowered
straight six ever made!

http://www.olive-drab.com/idphoto/id_photos_m37.php3


Oh I know, John, thats why I sugggested the m-715 The 37 was a bull
of a truck, just no power.

Thanks for the post. Brought back some good memories, like the time we
almost shelled Ayer, Mass.- Hide quoted text -



Now THAT would have been interesting.

I told the XO over the phone, "Charge 3". He yelled to the gunners, "Charge
7". I could hear him through the tent. You've never heard anyone yell,
"Cease Fire!" so loud in your life. It made one of the visiting general's
jump back, lose his balance, and fall backwards out of his chair.

My LT started to jump in my ****, so I told him to go check the guns, see
what charge was loaded. Sure enough, it was charge 7, which would have put
six 105mm HE rounds in downtown Ayer. That probably would have been a big
loss though, now that I think about it!

What truck?
 

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 08:08:08 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 06:52:39 -0400, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:30:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

I'm thinking of a Toyota 4 Runner. The V8 will pull 7000lbs
according to
the local salesman. Haven't checked any further than that as I'm
thinking
of pulling something in the neighborhood of 3500.
If you do much towing you'll be happier with a longer wheelbase. It
helps to stabilize the trailer from swaying and bouncing.


Jeeez...ever towed a boat with a V8 4 Runner, Wayne? No? I didn't
think so. I have. I've towed a boat and trailer *over* the 4 Runner's
capacity without having the rig sway and bounce. The V8 4 Runner is a
very, very capable tow vehicle for reasonably sized boats. Even the
V6 4 Runner will handle a 3500 pound boat and trailer with aplomb.
The V8 also has part-time four-wheel drive you can turn on at a
slippery ramp.

Damn I hate to edit a post when I am on the phone. Here is the correct
edit.

Harry,
You have stated many times (possible hundreds of times) that you do not
like to tow a boat and have never towed a boat more than a few miles to
the local boat ramp. Your position has always been that you would
rather rent a boat at the location, than tow a boat. Is it possible
that Wayne was talking about towing a boat more than a few miles? Is it
possible that towing a boat at high speeds would impact in how much a
boat and trailer swayed and bounced? Is it possible that passing or being passed by a high
speed semi-truck would impact on the amount of sway the boat/trailer
would have? You probably didn't notice Wayne's comment about "if you do
much towing you'll be happier with a longer wheelbase".

Since you do not do much towing, his comment was not inapplicable to you.

What did you edit? "Not inapplicable" seems applicable to Harry's applied
physics application.

What truck?
 

Frogwatch wrote:

On Sep 6, 10:23 pm, wrote:

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 19:16:34 -0700, Frogwatch wrote:

For awhile I was obsessed with a 1939 Chevy 2 ton dually truck with a
flat bed. It was as simple as it could be. However, even I admit
there have been a few good advances in automotive tech, like
electronic ignition. I can still set the timing on a vehicle with
points and condensor but doing it every few thou miles gets old. I
love modern tires compared to the old ones.

Those old GM's had a 216 inch straight 6 that didn't even feature an oil pump!
It was known as "splash lubrication". There were these little scoops bolted to
the bottoms of the con rods that splashed the oil around.


I looked under the hood of that old chevy and just about fell in
love. Everything looked familiar instead of looking like some
adaptation of alien technology from Area 51.
What I'd like is a 2007 version of very basic technology. Why cant we
have a modern engine made with modern long lasting materials without
all the gadgets? Yes, fuel injection is a greta thing so we do need a
little elecronics but why build something you have to have an EE
degree in to work on.
My 1987 era diesel engine on my sailboat is a good example of such
design philosophy, simple, modern technology and materials and so dang
reliable it makes me love it.
Really, does EVERYBODY want power windows? Doesnt anybody else hate
those damned interior lights that dont turn off for 5 minutes? Does
ANYBODY care about a "CHECK ENGINE" light that doesnt tell you ****?

HATE power windows. Bought an '01 Chevy S10 used; the driver's side
window lasted two months; since then it only goes 1/3 down.

HATE the damn interior lights!

HATE the damn "Check engine" light. Anybody know what the hell a
"Secondary air injection failure" is? Me neither, although it doesn't
seem to bother the engine or the MPG.

DT

What truck?
 

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:36:42 -0500, dt wrote:



HATE power windows. Bought an '01 Chevy S10 used; the driver's side
window lasted two months; since then it only goes 1/3 down.

I don't like them either. My kid just fixed one on my Lumina.
The motor/arm assembly cost 165 bucks at the dealer.
And I've had a couple other go dab.
I *never* had to fix a crank.
And I don't like the thought of being in the drink and can't crank my
window down.

HATE the damn interior lights!

What the hell good do they do?

HATE the damn "Check engine" light. Anybody know what the hell a
"Secondary air injection failure" is? Me neither, although it doesn't
seem to bother the engine or the MPG.

Those I like, but I've got a code reader.
And here in Illinois you are grounded when the emissions test
show a code - any code.

--Vic

What truck?
 

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:44:02 -0000, Tim wrote:

How in the heck can one confuse a 3 for a 7!

That could have been brutal. Even though you were in the right, John,
it was still your fault. LOL!


John H. wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:09:23 -0000, Tim wrote:

On Sep 7, 7:20 am, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 18:42:00 -0700, Tim wrote:
On Sep 6, 6:39 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
I b'leve my old Nissan is gonna soon go to old truck paradise but i'll
get another 25K miles outta her (it'll read 333,333 then) first. So,
what then? I need a tow vehicle for my boat and as you see I like to
keep my trucks waaaaay past any reasonable retirement age. However, I
loathe gadgets and power crap and ANYTHING that can get broke. Simple
is best, no power seats, no fu**&*g lights that dont turn off till I
go back to make sure the door isnt open, no built in GPS, no damned
radio, just SIMPLE transportation. Reliability and ease of fixing is a
major issue as is longevity. So, what is there?

A hi tek luddite

Just what the Dotcor orderd.

a Kaiser/Willys M-715

http://www.steelsoldiers.com/index.p...r&type=file&fu...

http://www.olive-drab.com/idphoto/id_photos_m715.php3

ask JohnH or Tom Shortwave for details.....

Well, not that one exactly, but my first job in the Army was in an
Artillery Battalion in Fort Devins, Mass. I was chief of the Fire Direction
Control (FDC) section for a 105mm Howitzer Battery. The FDC section had the
M37, 3/4 ton as its primary mover. The thing had the most underpowered
straight six ever made!

http://www.olive-drab.com/idphoto/id_photos_m37.php3


Oh I know, John, thats why I sugggested the m-715 The 37 was a bull
of a truck, just no power.

Thanks for the post. Brought back some good memories, like the time we
almost shelled Ayer, Mass.- Hide quoted text -



Now THAT would have been interesting.

I told the XO over the phone, "Charge 3". He yelled to the gunners, "Charge
7". I could hear him through the tent. You've never heard anyone yell,
"Cease Fire!" so loud in your life. It made one of the visiting general's
jump back, lose his balance, and fall backwards out of his chair.

My LT started to jump in my ****, so I told him to go check the guns, see
what charge was loaded. Sure enough, it was charge 7, which would have put
six 105mm HE rounds in downtown Ayer. That probably would have been a big
loss though, now that I think about it!

Until I became an LT, I thought they were the most f***ed up folks in the
Army. Once I graduated OCS, I realized it was just the ROTC and West
Pointers that were so bad!

What truck?
 

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:47:11 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:25:22 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Sure enough, it was charge 7, which would have put
six 105mm HE rounds in downtown Ayer.

Wouldn't have been much of a loss. :)

Oh, I should not have said that.

Still true though. :)

Did I ever tell you the 101st Airborne base camp artillery duel with
one of their own fire bases story?

Does it start, "This ain't no ****, but..."?

Oh hell, go ahead and tell it! I'd believe anything about the 101st, They
were the ones guarding the section of the perimeter of Cu Chi base camp
where the bad guys came in and blew up 11 Chinooks.

What truck?
 

HK wrote:


4 Runners are the most popular SUV at the boat ramps.

Not a chance in hell. It may be a fine vehicle, but there's ZERO chance
that it's the "most popular SUV at the boat ramps". Zero. There are
too many other, more common, SUV's out there.

Ready for a bet, Harry?

What truck?
 

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 19:40:38 -0400, Dan intrceptor@gmaildotcom wrote:

HK wrote:


4 Runners are the most popular SUV at the boat ramps.

Not a chance in hell. It may be a fine vehicle, but there's ZERO chance
that it's the "most popular SUV at the boat ramps". Zero. There are
too many other, more common, SUV's out there.

Ready for a bet, Harry?

You're about to bet with a guy who's been to a boat ramp *at least* three
times in the past three years. Be careful!

What truck?
 

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:06:03 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

I don't like them either. My kid just fixed one on my Lumina.
The motor/arm assembly cost 165 bucks at the dealer.
And I've had a couple other go dab.
I *never* had to fix a crank.
And I don't like the thought of being in the drink and can't crank my
window down.

You guys are buying the wrong cars. I was driving my old Toyota Camry
the other day and the power windows worked perfectly and always have.
I bought it new in 1992 and gave it to my youngest son when we moved
to Florida 4 years ago. It now has 206,000 miles on it and still runs
great.

What truck?
 

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 06:52:39 -0400, HK wrote:

Jeeez...ever towed a boat with a V8 4 Runner, Wayne? No? I didn't think
so. I have. I've towed a boat and trailer *over* the 4 Runner's capacity
without having the rig sway and bounce. The V8 4 Runner is a very, very
capable tow vehicle for reasonably sized boats. Even the V6 4 Runner
will handle a 3500 pound boat and trailer with aplomb. The V8 also has
part-time four-wheel drive you can turn on at a slippery ramp.

Take it out on the interstate and run a couple of hundred miles at the
speed limit and then come back and talk to us with your new found
expertise.

PS, towing at over a vehicles capacity is not a good thing, some would
say illegal and irresponsible.

What truck?
 

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 07:31:05 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Wouldn't having the proper tongue weight get rid of much of that? When I
bought the Proline, it did a lot of swaying and acting weird. I checked,
and the tongue weight was only a little over 100lbs, plus the transom hung
out over the last rollers by over a foot.

Adjustments allowed me to pull the boat forward and increase the tongue
weight to the proper amount (about 450lbs). That made a nice difference in
the way the boat handled and in pulling it up a ramp.

Proper tongue weight and tire inflation can make a huge difference but
for towing any kind of distance at interstate highway speeds there is
really no substitute for weight and length.

What truck?
 

On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 08:43:48 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 07:31:05 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Wouldn't having the proper tongue weight get rid of much of that? When I
bought the Proline, it did a lot of swaying and acting weird. I checked,
and the tongue weight was only a little over 100lbs, plus the transom hung
out over the last rollers by over a foot.

Adjustments allowed me to pull the boat forward and increase the tongue
weight to the proper amount (about 450lbs). That made a nice difference in
the way the boat handled and in pulling it up a ramp.

Proper tongue weight and tire inflation can make a huge difference but
for towing any kind of distance at interstate highway speeds there is
really no substitute for weight and length.

I've never towed a boat faster than about 55. The boat I'm considering will
weigh in at around 2000lbs, give or take, so I won't be approaching the V8
4Runner's capacity.

But, I may just keep the GMC 1500 for towing jobs etc. and forget the
4Runner. Save a bunch of money too.

What truck?
 

On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 08:25:57 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:06:03 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

I don't like them either. My kid just fixed one on my Lumina.
The motor/arm assembly cost 165 bucks at the dealer.
And I've had a couple other go dab.
I *never* had to fix a crank.
And I don't like the thought of being in the drink and can't crank my
window down.

You guys are buying the wrong cars. I was driving my old Toyota Camry
the other day and the power windows worked perfectly and always have.
I bought it new in 1992 and gave it to my youngest son when we moved
to Florida 4 years ago. It now has 206,000 miles on it and still runs
great.

So does my Lumina, and since it only cost $2500 I can handle the
occasional repair. Even without that repair, still rather have a
crank.
I've got nothing against Camrys, except they're not cost effective
for my target - about $3k purchase/maintenance per 100k miles or
10 years, whichever comes first.
I hardly see old Camrys around here, and think those older models like
yours look a lot better than the newer ones, even though I prefer a
bigger car for travel.
Seems to me everything gets supersized. Your Camry looks to be about
the size of current Corollas or Civics. Though maybe they began
upsizing earlier. Not much up on Toys.
Sometimes I think my eyes are deceiving me. A few weeks ago I rented
a car for some of my girls to vacation in Florida, and when they
fetched it from Enterprise and I saw it in the driveway I thought they
had upsized from a Malibu to an Impala.
Took a short ride with them and said "I'm surprised there's this much
tire noise in an Impala."
"Dad, this is a Malibu."
Go figure.

--Vic

What truck?
 

Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 06:52:39 -0400, HK wrote:

Jeeez...ever towed a boat with a V8 4 Runner, Wayne? No? I didn't think
so. I have. I've towed a boat and trailer *over* the 4 Runner's capacity
without having the rig sway and bounce. The V8 4 Runner is a very, very
capable tow vehicle for reasonably sized boats. Even the V6 4 Runner
will handle a 3500 pound boat and trailer with aplomb. The V8 also has
part-time four-wheel drive you can turn on at a slippery ramp.

Take it out on the interstate and run a couple of hundred miles at the
speed limit and then come back and talk to us with your new found
expertise.

PS, towing at over a vehicles capacity is not a good thing, some would
say illegal and irresponsible.


My new found expertise? I've been towing boats for more than 40 years.
Today, I towed my boat for three hours total on the interstates and
secondary roads, including some steep inclines, at the maximum
recommended speed for doing so. Gosh, Wayne, nothing bad happened, to
me, the car, or the boat, despite outside temperatures in the high 80s.
The temp gauge on the 4 Runner was just where it always was. The towing
capacity of my 4 Runner is 7000 pounds: my boat and trailer weigh far
less than that.

What's your area of expertise, Wayne? It ain't trailering.

What truck?
 

Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 07:31:05 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Wouldn't having the proper tongue weight get rid of much of that? When I
bought the Proline, it did a lot of swaying and acting weird. I checked,
and the tongue weight was only a little over 100lbs, plus the transom hung
out over the last rollers by over a foot.

Adjustments allowed me to pull the boat forward and increase the tongue
weight to the proper amount (about 450lbs). That made a nice difference in
the way the boat handled and in pulling it up a ramp.

Proper tongue weight and tire inflation can make a huge difference but
for towing any kind of distance at interstate highway speeds there is
really no substitute for weight and length.

What weight and length truck do you use to haul that oversized RV of
yours down I-95? And define highway speeds, since most boat trailing
shouldn't be done at speeds exceeding 60 mph. My average highway speed
while trailing is between 55 and 60 mph. If you are pulling a boat
trailer at 70 or faster, you're going...too fast.