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John H. wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 19:40:38 -0400, Dan intrceptor@gmaildotcom wrote:

HK wrote:

4 Runners are the most popular SUV at the boat ramps.
Not a chance in hell. It may be a fine vehicle, but there's ZERO chance
that it's the "most popular SUV at the boat ramps". Zero. There are
too many other, more common, SUV's out there.

Ready for a bet, Harry?

You're about to bet with a guy who's been to a boat ramp *at least* three
times in the past three years. Be careful!
It's a Super Duty diesel dualie or nothing around here. An 07 0r
earlier, omitting 03-to04.
It's got room and performance and creature comforts when you are towing
or when you're towing or when you're not. Toyota is a fine truck or SUV
but it isn't yet up to what you want when towing anything over a modest
load.

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HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 07:31:05 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Wouldn't having the proper tongue weight get rid of much of that? When I
bought the Proline, it did a lot of swaying and acting weird. I checked,
and the tongue weight was only a little over 100lbs, plus the transom
hung
out over the last rollers by over a foot.

Adjustments allowed me to pull the boat forward and increase the tongue
weight to the proper amount (about 450lbs). That made a nice
difference in
the way the boat handled and in pulling it up a ramp.

Proper tongue weight and tire inflation can make a huge difference but
for towing any kind of distance at interstate highway speeds there is
really no substitute for weight and length.

What weight and length truck do you use to haul that oversized RV of
yours down I-95? And define highway speeds, since most boat trailing
shouldn't be done at speeds exceeding 60 mph. My average highway speed
while trailing is between 55 and 60 mph. If you are pulling a boat
trailer at 70 or faster, you're going...too fast.


If this is how you make friends I'd really like to see how you entice
woman to date you.

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On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 20:35:54 -0400, HK wrote:

What weight and length truck do you use to haul that oversized RV of
yours down I-95? And define highway speeds, since most boat trailing
shouldn't be done at speeds exceeding 60 mph. My average highway speed
while trailing is between 55 and 60 mph. If you are pulling a boat
trailer at 70 or faster, you're going...too fast.

If you can't safely tow at the speed limit you are obstructing traffic
and unsafe. A good pickup truck and a properly set up trailer should
be able to tow at 70 mph without any trace of instability. Speaking
from experience, if the vehicle, tongue weight and tire pressure are
not correct you will be lucky to get over 55.

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On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 23:12:03 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 20:35:54 -0400, HK wrote:

If you can't safely tow at the speed limit you are obstructing traffic
and unsafe. A good pickup truck and a properly set up trailer should
be able to tow at 70 mph without any trace of instability. Speaking
from experience, if the vehicle, tongue weight and tire pressure are not
correct you will be lucky to get over 55.

However, some states set a maximum towing speed that is sometimes below the posted limit. 55 max
isn't uncommon.

http://www.towingworld.com/articles/TowingLaws.htm

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On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 05:13:45 -0000, thunder
wrote:

On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 23:12:03 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 20:35:54 -0400, HK wrote:

If you can't safely tow at the speed limit you are obstructing traffic
and unsafe. A good pickup truck and a properly set up trailer should
be able to tow at 70 mph without any trace of instability. Speaking
from experience, if the vehicle, tongue weight and tire pressure are not
correct you will be lucky to get over 55.

However, some states set a maximum towing speed that is sometimes below the posted limit. 55 max
isn't uncommon.

http://www.towingworld.com/articles/TowingLaws.htm

Only one out of fifty - that's pretty uncommon all right. :)

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 20:35:54 -0400, HK wrote:

What weight and length truck do you use to haul that oversized RV of
yours down I-95? And define highway speeds, since most boat trailing
shouldn't be done at speeds exceeding 60 mph. My average highway speed
while trailing is between 55 and 60 mph. If you are pulling a boat
trailer at 70 or faster, you're going...too fast.

If you can't safely tow at the speed limit you are obstructing traffic
and unsafe.


There's more than one lane on an interstate highway.

Many highways have upper and lower speed limits. Fifty five to 60 is
above the lower limit, and, in fact, is the speed at which many towed
RVs travel, so most drivers are used to seeing trailers NOT moving along
at 65 to 70 mph. There are plenty of RVs, towed and otherwise, not doing
65 to 70, either.

I tow at 55 to maybe 62 mph. If you find yourself behind me and you
don't like it, I suggest you pull into the passing lane and...pass. Or
take some "calm down" pills.

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On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 05:13:45 -0000, thunder
wrote:

However, some states set a maximum towing speed that is sometimes below the posted limit. 55 max
isn't uncommon.

http://www.towingworld.com/articles/TowingLaws.htm

Agreed that there are a few but not too many. Looking at your site I
was surprised at how many allow 75.

In Florida we regard 75 mph as the "run over" speed on the
interstates, i.e., if you are not going at least that fast you will be
run over, posted speed limit notwithstanding.

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On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 06:18:53 -0400, HK wrote:

Many highways have upper and lower speed limits. Fifty five to 60 is
above the lower limit, and, in fact, is the speed at which many towed
RVs travel, so most drivers are used to seeing trailers NOT moving along
at 65 to 70 mph. There are plenty of RVs, towed and otherwise, not doing
65 to 70, either.

And they are a hazzard, forcing everyone into the left lane, causing a
lot of congestion. I stand by my original statement: If you can't
safely tow at the speed limit, you really shouldn't be there.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 05:13:45 -0000, thunder
wrote:

However, some states set a maximum towing speed that is sometimes below the posted limit. 55 max
isn't uncommon.

http://www.towingworld.com/articles/TowingLaws.htm

Agreed that there are a few but not too many. Looking at your site I
was surprised at how many allow 75.

In Florida we regard 75 mph as the "run over" speed on the
interstates, i.e., if you are not going at least that fast you will be
run over, posted speed limit notwithstanding.

Really? I visit Florida several times a year and almost always rent a
car and drive on the interstates there. I rarely drive faster than 65mph
- 67 no matter what the speed limit allows that is higher, and I've
noticed that many other drivers don't, either. Why waste the gas?

I do enjoy seeing the 75 mph and over boys being pulled over for
tickets. What could be nicer?

Hey, it's okay with me if you kill yourself with high-speed driving, but
you're also putting others at risk. That is not ok.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 06:18:53 -0400, HK wrote:

Many highways have upper and lower speed limits. Fifty five to 60 is
above the lower limit, and, in fact, is the speed at which many towed
RVs travel, so most drivers are used to seeing trailers NOT moving along
at 65 to 70 mph. There are plenty of RVs, towed and otherwise, not doing
65 to 70, either.

And they are a hazzard, forcing everyone into the left lane, causing a
lot of congestion. I stand by my original statement: If you can't
safely tow at the speed limit, you really shouldn't be there.


The world was not created for you and yours. If you can't drive safely,
at a reasonable speed, and accommodate other drivers on the road who
might be driving a bit slower, well, your driver's license ought to be
revoked.

Aren't you retired? What's your hurry? Can't wait to get back to your
slow-moving floating RV?

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"HK" wrote in message
...


Aren't you retired? What's your hurry? Can't wait to get back to your
slow-moving floating RV?


I was all ready to move our slow-moving, floating RV from Scituate back to
the homeport on the Cape this morning. Although a bit foggy, visibility was
still enough for my single-handed voyage. Got the engine going, secured all
the cabin "stuff", then realized I couldn't see across the harbor anymore.

Decided to wait for another day. A bit too foggy to do it by myself.

A comment on the Florida driving discussion.....

Having lived in Jupiter for 3-1/2 winters, I have the following Florida
highway travel memories:

If traveling south on I-95 from Jupiter towards West Palm or Lauderdale, any
speed less then 70-75 mph in this congested highway section is dangerous to
your health. Florida drivers seem to subscribe to the Italian school of
driving, meaning you are responsible only for what you can see looking
forward, with diminishing responsibility to the extent of your peripheral
vision.

If you are traveling north on I-95 ... towards Stewart for example ....
where the traffic is much less congested, it is safe to slow down to the
speed limit.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

Aren't you retired? What's your hurry? Can't wait to get back to your
slow-moving floating RV?


I was all ready to move our slow-moving, floating RV from Scituate back to
the homeport on the Cape this morning. Although a bit foggy, visibility was
still enough for my single-handed voyage. Got the engine going, secured all
the cabin "stuff", then realized I couldn't see across the harbor anymore.

Decided to wait for another day. A bit too foggy to do it by myself.

A comment on the Florida driving discussion.....

Having lived in Jupiter for 3-1/2 winters, I have the following Florida
highway travel memories:

If traveling south on I-95 from Jupiter towards West Palm or Lauderdale, any
speed less then 70-75 mph in this congested highway section is dangerous to
your health. Florida drivers seem to subscribe to the Italian school of
driving, meaning you are responsible only for what you can see looking
forward, with diminishing responsibility to the extent of your peripheral
vision.

If you are traveling north on I-95 ... towards Stewart for example ....
where the traffic is much less congested, it is safe to slow down to the
speed limit.

Eisboch




I sometimes drive from Jax to Miami, but I stay within the speed limit.
It pleasures me to see so many drivers who have passed me pulled over by
a state or county mountie. I have on occasion even called 911 while on
the highway to report the tag number and vehicle description of a yahoo
driving too fast or dangerously or both, though I mostly do that up
here, on the stretch of a Maryland state road between Deale and Annapolis.


Oh...we had a bit of fog on the fields this morning.

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On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:31:41 -0400, HK wrote:

Really? I visit Florida several times a year and almost always rent a
car and drive on the interstates there. I rarely drive faster than 65mph
- 67 no matter what the speed limit allows that is higher, and I've
noticed that many other drivers don't, either. Why waste the gas?

I do enjoy seeing the 75 mph and over boys being pulled over for
tickets. What could be nicer?

I'd say you need new glasses - or have your vision and/or spedometer
checked. :)

If the general traffic is traveling 75, troopers aren't going to
bother picking anybody out to pull over. 80/85 yes - 75, no way.

Hey, it's okay with me if you kill yourself with high-speed driving, but
you're also putting others at risk. That is not ok.

When I did a ride-along with my son's FTO, I learned a lot about
traffic and traffic stops.

In general, troopers will pay more attention to a car moving 65 when
the general traffic is moving 75. The reason is that the car moving
65 is actually impeding traffic creating a potential problem. Mass
tried a "rolling traffic control" experiment about 10 years ago. The
program involved putting a patrol car on the road traveling at the
speed limit. They abandoned the program after a month when data
produced an interesting result - the backups created by having a car
at 65 created more accidents BEHIND the car than if the car hadn't
been there.

Another reason not to pull cars over at 75 is that is creates a
situation where people slow down to look which creates one of those
"phantom" traffic jams you see every once in a while on the
interstates.

A third issue is time management - you want to save your efforts for
the serious violations - not something that potentially impeds the
flow of traffic.

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Tom Francis wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:31:41 -0400, HK wrote:

Really? I visit Florida several times a year and almost always rent a
car and drive on the interstates there. I rarely drive faster than 65mph
- 67 no matter what the speed limit allows that is higher, and I've
noticed that many other drivers don't, either. Why waste the gas?

I do enjoy seeing the 75 mph and over boys being pulled over for
tickets. What could be nicer?

I'd say you need new glasses - or have your vision and/or spedometer
checked. :)

If the general traffic is traveling 75, troopers aren't going to
bother picking anybody out to pull over. 80/85 yes - 75, no way.

Hey, it's okay with me if you kill yourself with high-speed driving, but
you're also putting others at risk. That is not ok.

When I did a ride-along with my son's FTO, I learned a lot about
traffic and traffic stops.

In general, troopers will pay more attention to a car moving 65 when
the general traffic is moving 75. The reason is that the car moving
65 is actually impeding traffic creating a potential problem. Mass
tried a "rolling traffic control" experiment about 10 years ago. The
program involved putting a patrol car on the road traveling at the
speed limit. They abandoned the program after a month when data
produced an interesting result - the backups created by having a car
at 65 created more accidents BEHIND the car than if the car hadn't
been there.

Another reason not to pull cars over at 75 is that is creates a
situation where people slow down to look which creates one of those
"phantom" traffic jams you see every once in a while on the
interstates.

A third issue is time management - you want to save your efforts for
the serious violations - not something that potentially impeds the
flow of traffic.


Yes, well, I am sure there are a millions ways to justify speeding.
I drive no faster than the posted speed limit when conditions are
appropriate, and slower when I tow. I doubt any trooper is going to
ticket me for obeying the law.

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HK wrote:
Tom Francis wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:31:41 -0400, HK wrote:

Really? I visit Florida several times a year and almost always rent a
car and drive on the interstates there. I rarely drive faster than
65mph - 67 no matter what the speed limit allows that is higher, and
I've noticed that many other drivers don't, either. Why waste the gas?

I do enjoy seeing the 75 mph and over boys being pulled over for
tickets. What could be nicer?

I'd say you need new glasses - or have your vision and/or spedometer
checked. :)

If the general traffic is traveling 75, troopers aren't going to
bother picking anybody out to pull over. 80/85 yes - 75, no way.

Hey, it's okay with me if you kill yourself with high-speed driving,
but you're also putting others at risk. That is not ok.

When I did a ride-along with my son's FTO, I learned a lot about
traffic and traffic stops.

In general, troopers will pay more attention to a car moving 65 when
the general traffic is moving 75. The reason is that the car moving
65 is actually impeding traffic creating a potential problem. Mass
tried a "rolling traffic control" experiment about 10 years ago. The
program involved putting a patrol car on the road traveling at the
speed limit. They abandoned the program after a month when data
produced an interesting result - the backups created by having a car
at 65 created more accidents BEHIND the car than if the car hadn't
been there.

Another reason not to pull cars over at 75 is that is creates a
situation where people slow down to look which creates one of those
"phantom" traffic jams you see every once in a while on the
interstates.

A third issue is time management - you want to save your efforts for
the serious violations - not something that potentially impeds the
flow of traffic.


Yes, well, I am sure there are a millions ways to justify speeding.
I drive no faster than the posted speed limit when conditions are
appropriate, and slower when I tow. I doubt any trooper is going to
ticket me for obeying the law.


And sometimes on long trips I drive slower than the posted speed limit
even if I am not towing. At a certain highway speed, my 4Runner produces
a bit more than 24 mpg. That pleases me.

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On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:40:17 -0400, HK wrote:

Yes, well, I am sure there are a millions ways to justify speeding.
I drive no faster than the posted speed limit when conditions are
appropriate, and slower when I tow. I doubt any trooper is going to
ticket me for obeying the law.

You are never wrong are you Harry?

Must be nice.

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Tom Francis wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:40:17 -0400, HK wrote:

Yes, well, I am sure there are a millions ways to justify speeding.
I drive no faster than the posted speed limit when conditions are
appropriate, and slower when I tow. I doubt any trooper is going to
ticket me for obeying the law.

You are never wrong are you Harry?

Must be nice.


What? When did I claim to be Chuck or Wayne? Hey, if you drive
differently, that's your business. And when you get pulled over for
speeding, that's also your business. I don't get speeding tickets, and
am not likely to. Do you think my claim that a trooper is not likely to
pull me over for not speeding is incorrect?

If the sign says 70, then that is as fast as I will drive, maybe a mile
an hour over that. No faster. When you go faster, you're breaking the law.

And if you don't like the fact that I am towing my boat no faster than
60 mph, why, you are perfectly free to pull into the passing lane and go
around me...so you can fall in behind the RV a mile down the road going
61 mph.

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On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:40:17 -0400, HK wrote:



Yes, well, I am sure there are a millions ways to justify speeding.
I drive no faster than the posted speed limit when conditions are
appropriate, and slower when I tow. I doubt any trooper is going to
ticket me for obeying the law.

That a cop would ticket somebody for doing the limit and "impeding
trafiic" is laughable.
OTOH there was cop on I-88 around here that ticketed a couple cars for
going 56 in a 55! That stopped right quick.
I relax when driving, all my habits geared to staying safe and staying
out of the packs of speeding tailgaters.
I can't count the times I've seen 3-5 cars on the shoulder waiting for
the cops to file the accident report about them hitting each other.
That's 3-5 dip****s, plain and simple.
On the interstate I usually tuck in about 50 yards behind a steady
truck, sometimes for 100 miles or more.
There's a lot to learn about traffic flow dynamics, but experience
tells me the most important thing to know is that most speeders and
*all* tailgaters are just plain dumbasses. Fortunately, they are
entirely predictable if not drunk, and easily avoided.
The "behind the truck" works because the bulk of drivers can't resist
passing it, I suppose "because it's a truck." The truck may be doing
80. Don't matter. It's a truck. Speeders/tailgaters aren't known
for deep thought, or even knowing how fast they are actually moving.
Of course mountains, congestion, on/off ramps, etc all dictate
different tactics.
My bottom line is no tickets, no endangering other cars, and keep them
from endangering me.
I've given up waving the brick I used to keep under my seat at
tailgaters, and I no longer have to waste car cups on the windshields
of tailgaters. It's much easier and safer to understand their simple
ratlike mentality and guide them away. Mellow is better.
BTW, I'm often speeding, usually about 7-10 over because that's what
is often the safest speed to keep the most cars away from me.
If somebody isn't going faster than you, you are a radar target.
The fastest traffic I ever see is going through Atlanta, where a
couple times the flow in the left 2 lanes was 90mph, me in it.
That felt safer than the other lanes, and had the added benefit of
getting me out of there quick.
It's the height of arrogance to tell somebody who is within the law
they are going "too slow." And I'll leave it to the cops and
darwinism to take care of the speeders.

--Vic

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Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:40:17 -0400, HK wrote:


Yes, well, I am sure there are a millions ways to justify speeding.
I drive no faster than the posted speed limit when conditions are
appropriate, and slower when I tow. I doubt any trooper is going to
ticket me for obeying the law.

That a cop would ticket somebody for doing the limit and "impeding
trafiic" is laughable.
OTOH there was cop on I-88 around here that ticketed a couple cars for
going 56 in a 55! That stopped right quick.
I relax when driving, all my habits geared to staying safe and staying
out of the packs of speeding tailgaters.
I can't count the times I've seen 3-5 cars on the shoulder waiting for
the cops to file the accident report about them hitting each other.
That's 3-5 dip****s, plain and simple.
On the interstate I usually tuck in about 50 yards behind a steady
truck, sometimes for 100 miles or more.
There's a lot to learn about traffic flow dynamics, but experience
tells me the most important thing to know is that most speeders and
*all* tailgaters are just plain dumbasses. Fortunately, they are
entirely predictable if not drunk, and easily avoided.
The "behind the truck" works because the bulk of drivers can't resist
passing it, I suppose "because it's a truck." The truck may be doing
80. Don't matter. It's a truck. Speeders/tailgaters aren't known
for deep thought, or even knowing how fast they are actually moving.
Of course mountains, congestion, on/off ramps, etc all dictate
different tactics.
My bottom line is no tickets, no endangering other cars, and keep them
from endangering me.
I've given up waving the brick I used to keep under my seat at
tailgaters, and I no longer have to waste car cups on the windshields
of tailgaters. It's much easier and safer to understand their simple
ratlike mentality and guide them away. Mellow is better.
BTW, I'm often speeding, usually about 7-10 over because that's what
is often the safest speed to keep the most cars away from me.
If somebody isn't going faster than you, you are a radar target.
The fastest traffic I ever see is going through Atlanta, where a
couple times the flow in the left 2 lanes was 90mph, me in it.
That felt safer than the other lanes, and had the added benefit of
getting me out of there quick.
It's the height of arrogance to tell somebody who is within the law
they are going "too slow." And I'll leave it to the cops and
darwinism to take care of the speeders.

--Vic

If you are driving the speed limit on I95 or I75, the police will think
you are a drug dealer and look for a reason to pull you over. ;)

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On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:59:16 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:



If you are driving the speed limit on I95 or I75, the police will think
you are a drug dealer and look for a reason to pull you over. ;)

heh heh. That's why it's best to drive Impalas and Crown Vics with a
spot, and try to look like a cop on vacation with the wife.
But really, I've read and seen videos of plenty of speeders being
radared, pulled over, and found with a driver's seat and the trunk
full of dope.
Next time I haul a couple hundred keys of smack to Chicago,
I'll try not to speed. I just hope the slowpokes doing 7 over don't
activate my rat instincts forcing me to pass them - just because I
can.

--Vic

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On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:34:51 GMT, Tom Francis
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:31:41 -0400, HK wrote:

Really? I visit Florida several times a year and almost always rent a
car and drive on the interstates there. I rarely drive faster than 65mph
- 67 no matter what the speed limit allows that is higher, and I've
noticed that many other drivers don't, either. Why waste the gas?

I do enjoy seeing the 75 mph and over boys being pulled over for
tickets. What could be nicer?

I'd say you need new glasses - or have your vision and/or spedometer
checked. :)

If the general traffic is traveling 75, troopers aren't going to
bother picking anybody out to pull over. 80/85 yes - 75, no way.

Hey, it's okay with me if you kill yourself with high-speed driving, but
you're also putting others at risk. That is not ok.

When I did a ride-along with my son's FTO, I learned a lot about
traffic and traffic stops.

In general, troopers will pay more attention to a car moving 65 when
the general traffic is moving 75. The reason is that the car moving
65 is actually impeding traffic creating a potential problem. Mass
tried a "rolling traffic control" experiment about 10 years ago. The
program involved putting a patrol car on the road traveling at the
speed limit. They abandoned the program after a month when data
produced an interesting result - the backups created by having a car
at 65 created more accidents BEHIND the car than if the car hadn't
been there.

Another reason not to pull cars over at 75 is that is creates a
situation where people slow down to look which creates one of those
"phantom" traffic jams you see every once in a while on the
interstates.

A third issue is time management - you want to save your efforts for
the serious violations - not something that potentially impeds the
flow of traffic.

==================================

Absolutely right on all counts, and well stated.

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On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:25:00 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

That's why it's best to drive Impalas and Crown Vics with a
spot, and try to look like a cop on vacation with the wife.

The troopers have caught on to that trick and are now targeting the
wannabees for special treatment in drug transit areas.

I agree with your strategy of blending in with the traffic flow. In
my experience that's the best way to fly under the radar. I also
agree with the trooper strategy of targeting people driving under the
speed limit when everyone else is at the limit or slightly over.
There's a good chance they are impaired, unlicensed, hiding something
or in an unsafe vehicle.

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On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:34:07 -0400, HK wrote:

The world was not created for you and yours. If you can't drive safely,
at a reasonable speed, and accommodate other drivers on the road who
might be driving a bit slower, well, your driver's license ought to be
revoked.


Slow drivers are a menace and cause a lot of accidents and traffic jam
ups.

Aren't you retired? What's your hurry? Can't wait to get back to your
slow-moving floating RV?

I like fast boats as much as anyone, it's just not practical or energy
efficient when you get to a size suitable for living aboard and doing
serious long range cruising, not on my budget anyway. The good news
is that we don't slow down anyone else like the real RVs do. On I-75,
west coast of Florida, the annual north/south migration of RVs causes
traffic backups that are miles long.

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On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:11:38 -0400, HK wrote:

we had a bit of fog on the fields this morning.

Same here but we had no problem boating across Long Island Sound, just
a little extra attention to the radar. Running in fog is really not
that different from running at night.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:11:38 -0400, HK wrote:

we had a bit of fog on the fields this morning.

Same here but we had no problem boating across Long Island Sound, just
a little extra attention to the radar. Running in fog is really not
that different from running at night.


Depends on where you are. Last time I really had to depend on radar, it
was entering Baltimore Harbor at 11 pm. It was pretty scary. Not every
target showed up on the radar...

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:11:38 -0400, HK wrote:

we had a bit of fog on the fields this morning.

Same here but we had no problem boating across Long Island Sound, just
a little extra attention to the radar. Running in fog is really not
that different from running at night.

I guess it's a matter of how much experience you have with radar to feel
comfortable. I don't mind running at night, but try to avoid heavy fog.
At night you still have the visual inputs of shoreline landmarks, boat/ship
lights, stars, moonshine, etc. For me, heavy fog (meaning less than a
quarter mile visibility) deletes all lights and distorts the origin of
sound. Although the radar works, I still get a bit uncomfortable in it.
I know other people aren't bothered at all, but it's still something I can't
get used to and feel 100 percent confident in.

Eisboch

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HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 05:13:45 -0000, thunder
wrote:

However, some states set a maximum towing speed that is sometimes
below the posted limit. 55 max isn't uncommon.

http://www.towingworld.com/articles/TowingLaws.htm

Agreed that there are a few but not too many. Looking at your site I
was surprised at how many allow 75.

In Florida we regard 75 mph as the "run over" speed on the
interstates, i.e., if you are not going at least that fast you will be
run over, posted speed limit notwithstanding.

Really? I visit Florida several times a year and almost always rent a
car and drive on the interstates there. I rarely drive faster than 65mph
- 67 no matter what the speed limit allows that is higher, and I've
noticed that many other drivers don't, either. Why waste the gas?

I do enjoy seeing the 75 mph and over boys being pulled over for
tickets. What could be nicer?

Hey, it's okay with me if you kill yourself with high-speed driving, but
you're also putting others at risk. That is not ok.



What part of Florida is that? Not where I drive.

Driving too slow can be equally as hazardous as driving too fast. Some
states have minimum highway speeds for that reason.

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On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:20:05 -0400, Dan intrceptor@gmaildotcom
wrote:

HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 05:13:45 -0000, thunder
wrote:

However, some states set a maximum towing speed that is sometimes
below the posted limit. 55 max isn't uncommon.

http://www.towingworld.com/articles/TowingLaws.htm

Agreed that there are a few but not too many. Looking at your site I
was surprised at how many allow 75.

In Florida we regard 75 mph as the "run over" speed on the
interstates, i.e., if you are not going at least that fast you will be
run over, posted speed limit notwithstanding.

Really? I visit Florida several times a year and almost always rent a
car and drive on the interstates there. I rarely drive faster than 65mph
- 67 no matter what the speed limit allows that is higher, and I've
noticed that many other drivers don't, either. Why waste the gas?

I do enjoy seeing the 75 mph and over boys being pulled over for
tickets. What could be nicer?

Hey, it's okay with me if you kill yourself with high-speed driving, but
you're also putting others at risk. That is not ok.



What part of Florida is that? Not where I drive.

Driving too slow can be equally as hazardous as driving too fast. Some
states have minimum highway speeds for that reason.

I drive down I-75 from Chattanooga to Punta Gorda every year,
and see plenty of cars/trucks doing about 65 all the way.
Sometimes I'm behind them, sometimes passing them. Depends.
(he he, I said Depends)
The low limit I recall seeing is 45. Oh oh. Not good.

--Vic

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HK wrote:
HK wrote:
Tom Francis wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:31:41 -0400, HK wrote:

Really? I visit Florida several times a year and almost always rent
a car and drive on the interstates there. I rarely drive faster than
65mph - 67 no matter what the speed limit allows that is higher, and
I've noticed that many other drivers don't, either. Why waste the gas?

I do enjoy seeing the 75 mph and over boys being pulled over for
tickets. What could be nicer?

I'd say you need new glasses - or have your vision and/or spedometer
checked. :)

If the general traffic is traveling 75, troopers aren't going to
bother picking anybody out to pull over. 80/85 yes - 75, no way.

Hey, it's okay with me if you kill yourself with high-speed driving,
but you're also putting others at risk. That is not ok.

When I did a ride-along with my son's FTO, I learned a lot about
traffic and traffic stops.

In general, troopers will pay more attention to a car moving 65 when
the general traffic is moving 75. The reason is that the car moving
65 is actually impeding traffic creating a potential problem. Mass
tried a "rolling traffic control" experiment about 10 years ago. The
program involved putting a patrol car on the road traveling at the
speed limit. They abandoned the program after a month when data
produced an interesting result - the backups created by having a car
at 65 created more accidents BEHIND the car than if the car hadn't
been there.

Another reason not to pull cars over at 75 is that is creates a
situation where people slow down to look which creates one of those
"phantom" traffic jams you see every once in a while on the
interstates.

A third issue is time management - you want to save your efforts for
the serious violations - not something that potentially impeds the
flow of traffic.


Yes, well, I am sure there are a millions ways to justify speeding.
I drive no faster than the posted speed limit when conditions are
appropriate, and slower when I tow. I doubt any trooper is going to
ticket me for obeying the law.


And sometimes on long trips I drive slower than the posted speed limit
even if I am not towing. At a certain highway speed, my 4Runner produces
a bit more than 24 mpg. That pleases me.

Good for you.

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HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:11:38 -0400, HK wrote:

we had a bit of fog on the fields this morning.

Same here but we had no problem boating across Long Island Sound, just
a little extra attention to the radar. Running in fog is really not
that different from running at night.


Depends on where you are. Last time I really had to depend on radar, it
was entering Baltimore Harbor at 11 pm. It was pretty scary. Not every
target showed up on the radar...

Keep telling yourself that, Harry.

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Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:20:05 -0400, Dan intrceptor@gmaildotcom
wrote:

HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 05:13:45 -0000, thunder
wrote:

However, some states set a maximum towing speed that is sometimes
below the posted limit. 55 max isn't uncommon.

http://www.towingworld.com/articles/TowingLaws.htm
Agreed that there are a few but not too many. Looking at your site I
was surprised at how many allow 75.

In Florida we regard 75 mph as the "run over" speed on the
interstates, i.e., if you are not going at least that fast you will be
run over, posted speed limit notwithstanding.
Really? I visit Florida several times a year and almost always rent a
car and drive on the interstates there. I rarely drive faster than 65mph
- 67 no matter what the speed limit allows that is higher, and I've
noticed that many other drivers don't, either. Why waste the gas?

I do enjoy seeing the 75 mph and over boys being pulled over for
tickets. What could be nicer?

Hey, it's okay with me if you kill yourself with high-speed driving, but
you're also putting others at risk. That is not ok.


What part of Florida is that? Not where I drive.

Driving too slow can be equally as hazardous as driving too fast. Some
states have minimum highway speeds for that reason.

I drive down I-75 from Chattanooga to Punta Gorda every year,
and see plenty of cars/trucks doing about 65 all the way.
Sometimes I'm behind them, sometimes passing them. Depends.
(he he, I said Depends)
The low limit I recall seeing is 45. Oh oh. Not good.

--Vic




I posted this question on an actual boating forum. The majority of
responders tow at 60-65 mph. A few tow a *lot* faster. Exactly as I
specified here, and for about the same reasons.

Frankly, it warms my heart to see speeders pulled over on the side of
the ride and being written up for a nice, expen$ive ticket. It means for
that moment, and perhaps for the rest of the day, *that* speeder will be
obeying the law and therefore less likely to cause some horrific
accident because of his or her arrogance.

"Traffic laws don't apply to me," is what I heard here from some of the
usual suspects.

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On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:49:14 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:11:38 -0400, HK wrote:

we had a bit of fog on the fields this morning.

Same here but we had no problem boating across Long Island Sound, just
a little extra attention to the radar. Running in fog is really not
that different from running at night.

I guess it's a matter of how much experience you have with radar to feel
comfortable. I don't mind running at night, but try to avoid heavy fog.
At night you still have the visual inputs of shoreline landmarks, boat/ship
lights, stars, moonshine, etc. For me, heavy fog (meaning less than a
quarter mile visibility) deletes all lights and distorts the origin of
sound. Although the radar works, I still get a bit uncomfortable in it.
I know other people aren't bothered at all, but it's still something I can't
get used to and feel 100 percent confident in.

I'm not nervous in fog, but I have had a close call at night and in
heavy fog.

Some dumbass thought I was a bouy and he couldn't figure out why I was
moving around.

It's a long story and not worth repeating. :)

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Tom Francis wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:49:14 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:11:38 -0400, HK wrote:

we had a bit of fog on the fields this morning.
Same here but we had no problem boating across Long Island Sound, just
a little extra attention to the radar. Running in fog is really not
that different from running at night.
I guess it's a matter of how much experience you have with radar to feel
comfortable. I don't mind running at night, but try to avoid heavy fog.
At night you still have the visual inputs of shoreline landmarks, boat/ship
lights, stars, moonshine, etc. For me, heavy fog (meaning less than a
quarter mile visibility) deletes all lights and distorts the origin of
sound. Although the radar works, I still get a bit uncomfortable in it.
I know other people aren't bothered at all, but it's still something I can't
get used to and feel 100 percent confident in.

I'm not nervous in fog, but I have had a close call at night and in
heavy fog.

Some dumbass thought I was a bouy and he couldn't figure out why I was
moving around.



We wouldn't make that mistake. We know you're a gull. :}

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On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:59:38 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:25:00 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

That's why it's best to drive Impalas and Crown Vics with a
spot, and try to look like a cop on vacation with the wife.

The troopers have caught on to that trick and are now targeting the
wannabees for special treatment in drug transit areas.

That was tongue in cheek, of course, but I did once buy a repainted
big Impala with a spot that was once an "official" car. It was a real
good buy. Unfortunately it was repainted in what might be described as
"undercover blue."
Cops never hassled me except I once got jokingly spotlighted by a
similar car, probably narcs. They were laughing as they pulled
alongside, but looked duly embarrassed when they saw the kids.
I used the car a few years before a fifth kid dictated I get a van.
I wouldn't buy such a car again, but it did ok by me. Might have
gotten a few longer looks, but that's all.

I agree with your strategy of blending in with the traffic flow. In
my experience that's the best way to fly under the radar. I also
agree with the trooper strategy of targeting people driving under the
speed limit when everyone else is at the limit or slightly over.
There's a good chance they are impaired, unlicensed, hiding something
or in an unsafe vehicle.

Those are few and far between. Might as well wait for a farm tractor
to lumber by.
No trooper is going to ignore ticketing a guy blowing by at 90 in the
hopes that if he waits a couple days he can nab an old lady or a drunk
he targets doing 55. In a normal 65 mph scenario, he'll find 10 guys
pushing 90 and 100 tailgaters for every car doing 63.
Not to say he shouldn't examine the slow oddities, but I just don't
see many.
I'm on the highway often enough, and in most places I travel I can set
the cruise at 72 and not pass another car for 50 miles.
I don't know where you find all these slowpokes.
Oh wait! It's me! Doing 72 in a 65! Shame on me! (-:

--Vic

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On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:31:47 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

I agree with your strategy of blending in with the traffic flow. In
my experience that's the best way to fly under the radar. I also
agree with the trooper strategy of targeting people driving under the
speed limit when everyone else is at the limit or slightly over.
There's a good chance they are impaired, unlicensed, hiding something
or in an unsafe vehicle.

Those are few and far between.

You would think so, but it seems the opposite from what I've been
told.

Admittedly, you won't be stopped just for driving lower speeds than
the general traffic, but if the LEO has an excuse - like a busted tail
light/head light/windshield or no seat belt in those states where it's
a primary stop, it's almost guarenteed.

And, again from what I've been told, the number of impaired drivers,
drugs, guns, etc., found when doing this is pretty high.

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On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:26:00 -0400, HK wrote:

We wouldn't make that mistake. We know you're a gull. :}

Heh...

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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:14:06 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:



Admittedly, you won't be stopped just for driving lower speeds than
the general traffic, but if the LEO has an excuse - like a busted tail
light/head light/windshield or no seat belt in those states where it's
a primary stop, it's almost guarenteed.

Wish you hadn't reminded me of this, since I almost forgot it.
Dropping a buddy off after a day's fishing.
Cop pulls me over for "inoperative brake light."
I pop the trunk, see that the cooler has knocked the left bulb
assembly from its socket, stick it back in, put the small cooler in
the back seat. Ask my buddy to look while I apply brakes.
"You're good," he says.
The cop watched all this, it only took about 10 seconds, *then* went
ahead and wrote the ticket.
Of course it was thrown out, but I had to go to court.
Asshole.
Using my Mendel readings I devised a simple ticket matrix to teach my
kids how ticket issuance is influenced by known tendencies.
All you have to know is that "asshole" is dominant.
Normal Driver + Normal Cop = maybe ticket, maybe not
Asshole Driver + Normal Cop = Ticket
Normal Driver + Asshole Cop = Ticket
Asshole Driver + Asshole Cop = Tickets (Twins, maybe triplets)

--Vic

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On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:49:14 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

I guess it's a matter of how much experience you have with radar to feel
comfortable. I don't mind running at night, but try to avoid heavy fog.

It does take some getting used to for all the reasons you mention.
Practive makes perfect of course, as does a really good radar with all
the electronic bells and whistles like target tracking and chart
overlay. Slow speed is your friend, along with sounding the horn when
near radar targets, and keeping a really sharp lookout.

At night you still have the visual inputs of shoreline landmarks, boat/ship
lights, stars, moonshine, etc. For me, heavy fog (meaning less than a
quarter mile visibility) deletes all lights and distorts the origin of
sound. Although the radar works, I still get a bit uncomfortable in it.
I know other people aren't bothered at all, but it's still something I can't
get used to and feel 100 percent confident in.

What truck?
 

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Tom Francis wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:40:17 -0400, HK wrote:

Yes, well, I am sure there are a millions ways to justify speeding.
I drive no faster than the posted speed limit when conditions are
appropriate, and slower when I tow. I doubt any trooper is going to
ticket me for obeying the law.

You are never wrong are you Harry?

Must be nice.


What? When did I claim to be Chuck or Wayne? Hey, if you drive
differently, that's your business. And when you get pulled over for
speeding, that's also your business. I don't get speeding tickets, and am
not likely to. Do you think my claim that a trooper is not likely to pull
me over for not speeding is incorrect?

If the sign says 70, then that is as fast as I will drive, maybe a mile an
hour over that. No faster. When you go faster, you're breaking the law.

And if you don't like the fact that I am towing my boat no faster than 60
mph, why, you are perfectly free to pull into the passing lane and go
around me...so you can fall in behind the RV a mile down the road going 61
mph.



And if you are driving less than the speed limit, and not in the right lane,
the cops can also tag you. And there is a minimum speed limit on the
freeway also.