Yo Tim!
 

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 21:04:43 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 12:15:36 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 07:30:50 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Tom, put on your boat knowledge hat for a minute. I'm being offered a Key
West, 18', CC, with the Yamaha 4stroke 150 HP and aluminum trailer for
about $28K.

A Scout, with the same engine, etc, would run about $4-5K more. Are they
worth it?

I prefer the Scout over the Key West in that size boat. Very similar
to my Ranger in terms of fit and finish, it's fairly well thought out
for a smallish CC and the general build quality is better. Which is
not to say that Key West boats are junk - they aren't. In my opinion,
Scout pays a little more attention to little things. And I'll be the
first person to admit that I can be very picky.

In terms of specs, they are almost identical. Minor changes in
deadrise and draft, weights are similar and performance figures per
Yamaha are identical. Nice wide beam on both boats. Layout is
similar with a slight advantage to the Key West in storage and access
to storage.

Styling, I like the Key West over the Scout. Performance, I'd have to
give it to the Scout if only because of the bracket system they use
for the outboard which effectively adds 6 inches in length which
improves performance given the same engines.

My personal experience with Scout is a friends 205 CC which is a very
nice boat. Personal experience with a Key West was 196 Bay boat which
had some features I liked, but I was turned off by some things that
others would consider minor or non-issues. Like I said, I can be
picky.

So, given that, it's your decision. If you want similar performance,
proven quality and pay less, it's Key West. Not a bad choice.

On the other hand, pay more, a slightly better quality boat (in my
opinion), similar performance and pay more, it's Scout. Also not a
bad choice.

For the record, I still think, dollar-for-dollar, Polar is the best
boat out there in this size center console.

And now, I'm going to detail my Ranger and maybe fit in the
Princecraft in between mowing/trimming three lawns.

WHOO HOO!!

Wow. Thanks much. You've given me a lot to consider. The Scout guy is
working up the numbers over the next couple days, but he hasn't seen the
Proline yet. Also, I've not seen the Key West, other than in pictures.
Within the next couple weeks I'll know more. I sure appreciate your
thoughts. Thanks again.

What ever you do, don't buy a Proline in this class CC. No space,
zero storage and no room to speak of.

Major league mistake.

Yo Tim!
 

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 12:15:36 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 07:30:50 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Tom, put on your boat knowledge hat for a minute. I'm being offered a Key
West, 18', CC, with the Yamaha 4stroke 150 HP and aluminum trailer for
about $28K.

A Scout, with the same engine, etc, would run about $4-5K more. Are they
worth it?

I prefer the Scout over the Key West in that size boat. Very similar
to my Ranger in terms of fit and finish, it's fairly well thought out
for a smallish CC and the general build quality is better. Which is
not to say that Key West boats are junk - they aren't. In my opinion,
Scout pays a little more attention to little things. And I'll be the
first person to admit that I can be very picky.

In terms of specs, they are almost identical. Minor changes in
deadrise and draft, weights are similar and performance figures per
Yamaha are identical. Nice wide beam on both boats. Layout is
similar with a slight advantage to the Key West in storage and access
to storage.

Styling, I like the Key West over the Scout. Performance, I'd have to
give it to the Scout if only because of the bracket system they use
for the outboard which effectively adds 6 inches in length which
improves performance given the same engines.

My personal experience with Scout is a friends 205 CC which is a very
nice boat. Personal experience with a Key West was 196 Bay boat which
had some features I liked, but I was turned off by some things that
others would consider minor or non-issues. Like I said, I can be
picky.

So, given that, it's your decision. If you want similar performance,
proven quality and pay less, it's Key West. Not a bad choice.

On the other hand, pay more, a slightly better quality boat (in my
opinion), similar performance and pay more, it's Scout. Also not a
bad choice.

For the record, I still think, dollar-for-dollar, Polar is the best
boat out there in this size center console.

And now, I'm going to detail my Ranger and maybe fit in the
Princecraft in between mowing/trimming three lawns.

WHOO HOO!!

Wow. Thanks much. You've given me a lot to consider. The Scout guy is
working up the numbers over the next couple days, but he hasn't seen the
Proline yet. Also, I've not seen the Key West, other than in pictures.
Within the next couple weeks I'll know more. I sure appreciate your
thoughts. Thanks again.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

John H

Scouts are nice boats. Almost bought an Abaco a 262 few years ago. Then
decided it did not really fit my boat style at the time.

Yo Tim!
 

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 12:15:36 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 07:30:50 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Tom, put on your boat knowledge hat for a minute. I'm being offered a Key
West, 18', CC, with the Yamaha 4stroke 150 HP and aluminum trailer for
about $28K.

A Scout, with the same engine, etc, would run about $4-5K more. Are they
worth it?

I prefer the Scout over the Key West in that size boat. Very similar
to my Ranger in terms of fit and finish, it's fairly well thought out
for a smallish CC and the general build quality is better. Which is
not to say that Key West boats are junk - they aren't. In my opinion,
Scout pays a little more attention to little things. And I'll be the
first person to admit that I can be very picky.

In terms of specs, they are almost identical. Minor changes in
deadrise and draft, weights are similar and performance figures per
Yamaha are identical. Nice wide beam on both boats. Layout is
similar with a slight advantage to the Key West in storage and access
to storage.

Styling, I like the Key West over the Scout. Performance, I'd have to
give it to the Scout if only because of the bracket system they use
for the outboard which effectively adds 6 inches in length which
improves performance given the same engines.

My personal experience with Scout is a friends 205 CC which is a very
nice boat. Personal experience with a Key West was 196 Bay boat which
had some features I liked, but I was turned off by some things that
others would consider minor or non-issues. Like I said, I can be
picky.

So, given that, it's your decision. If you want similar performance,
proven quality and pay less, it's Key West. Not a bad choice.

On the other hand, pay more, a slightly better quality boat (in my
opinion), similar performance and pay more, it's Scout. Also not a
bad choice.

For the record, I still think, dollar-for-dollar, Polar is the best
boat out there in this size center console.

And now, I'm going to detail my Ranger and maybe fit in the
Princecraft in between mowing/trimming three lawns.

WHOO HOO!!

Wow. Thanks much. You've given me a lot to consider. The Scout guy is
working up the numbers over the next couple days, but he hasn't seen the
Proline yet. Also, I've not seen the Key West, other than in pictures.
Within the next couple weeks I'll know more. I sure appreciate your
thoughts. Thanks again.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

John H

Yo Tim!
 

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 08:30:57 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 07:30:50 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Tom, put on your boat knowledge hat for a minute. I'm being offered a Key
West, 18', CC, with the Yamaha 4stroke 150 HP and aluminum trailer for
about $28K.

A Scout, with the same engine, etc, would run about $4-5K more. Are they
worth it?

I prefer the Scout over the Key West in that size boat. Very similar
to my Ranger in terms of fit and finish, it's fairly well thought out
for a smallish CC an

And now, I'm going to detail my Ranger and maybe fit in the
Princecraft in between mowing/trimming three lawns.

WHOO HOO!!


Once you get the wax-on, wax-off down straight, pop on down here and
I'll let you wax a real quality boat with three piece construction, and
a quiet, fuel-efficient outdoor motor. I don't know or care where
Herring is going to use his new boat, but I do wonder why he needs 150
hp on a 1500-pound boat. Seems to me a 115 hp Yamaha would be a better bet.

My boat project for this morning is getting the damned Maryland
temporary registration stickers off the boat so I can affix the
permanent ones. These temp stickers must have some sort of superglue on
the back, because, unlike all the other stickers I have encountered,
they have resisted the storebrand un-stick-um goop. My heatgun burned
itself up three years ago. Grrrrrrrrrr.

*Then* I get to mows the lawn.


Harry, you have *me* filtered so you don't have to read my posts, remember?

Now, I *don't* have you filtered.

What that means is that you can respond *directly* to me, without all the
third party pretense bull****.

Does that make sense to you?

Borrow your wife's hair dryer. It will work wonders.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

John H

Yo Tim!
 

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 08:30:57 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 07:30:50 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Tom, put on your boat knowledge hat for a minute. I'm being offered a Key
West, 18', CC, with the Yamaha 4stroke 150 HP and aluminum trailer for
about $28K.

A Scout, with the same engine, etc, would run about $4-5K more. Are they
worth it?

I prefer the Scout over the Key West in that size boat. Very similar
to my Ranger in terms of fit and finish, it's fairly well thought out
for a smallish CC an

And now, I'm going to detail my Ranger and maybe fit in the
Princecraft in between mowing/trimming three lawns.

WHOO HOO!!


Once you get the wax-on, wax-off down straight, pop on down here and
I'll let you wax a real quality boat with three piece construction, and
a quiet, fuel-efficient outdoor motor. I don't know or care where
Herring is going to use his new boat, but I do wonder why he needs 150
hp on a 1500-pound boat. Seems to me a 115 hp Yamaha would be a better bet.

My boat project for this morning is getting the damned Maryland
temporary registration stickers off the boat so I can affix the
permanent ones. These temp stickers must have some sort of superglue on
the back, because, unlike all the other stickers I have encountered,
they have resisted the storebrand un-stick-um goop. My heatgun burned
itself up three years ago. Grrrrrrrrrr.

*Then* I get to mows the lawn.


PS. Grandkids and so on will be on the boat. They like to be pulled on skis
or what have you. 115 hp may do well for your needs. I'd rather have the
capability offered by the 150.

And, I can afford it.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

John H

Yo Tim!
 

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 12:48:44 -0700, Tim wrote:

On Sep 1, 10:30 am, Vic Smith wrote:

As others have said, and Chuck said it quite well, it doesn't sail as
well as a sailboat, or power as well as a powerboat, but it powers
better than any sailboat, and sails better than any powerboat.

Thats what I always thought of the Chevy El Camino and the Ford
Ranchero.. They're both cool in their own way, but neither was a good
ar, nor a good truck.

Yeah. Never cared for them, but my brother-in-law loved his El
Camino, and got a lot of light duty hauling from it. 'Course he had
some real garbage trucks to haul the big stuff.
I'd probably compare the 24' skiff and the Mac with an empty bed
pickup and a pickup with a slide in camper in the bed.
Sort of.

--Vic

Yo Tim!
 

On Sat, 1 Sep 2007 18:58:25 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


I've never sailed on a Mac...and I don't see very many around here so
anything I know is the usual stuff you hear on newsgroups.
Like a lot of 'sailors', I would have turned my nose up at them...but look
at me now.. sailboat sold and getting ready to purchase a small boat with an
infernal combustion engine. I guess if I felt interested I'd have to
spend some serious time on the boat and get a feel for how it is under sail.

My advantage is I'm not a sailor, so I can let my brain lead me around
instead of my nose (-:
There are plenty of experienced sailors on the Mac forum, some of them
even former racers. They all say it ain't much of a sailor, so if
that's what drives you, don't even waste your time.
But they knew that up front and bought it for the "all-around"
reasons. A few couldn't tolerate its poor sailing qualities and
dumped it. Most enjoy it for what it is.
I'm more interested in it as a shallow water fishing/short excursion
combo than anything else.
There's one guy on the forum who leaves the mast/sails at home and is
always taking off on two-week trips with his wife, a couple teen kids,
a dog, and maybe a few hamsters. Can't quite remember. He loves it.
There's others out in 30 knots of wind trying to make it sail fast.
They seem a mite frustrated. Tsk tsk. "Sailors."
Others do excursions, and sail only when conditions suit the boat
best. They're generally quite satisfied with the boat.
Go figure.
Anyway, I ain't buying nothing until I try it out for a while, even if
costs some steep charter/rental cash.

--Vic

Yo Tim!
 

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 18:48:43 -0400, Dan intrceptor@gmaildotcom wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 10:28:41 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:37:01 -0700, Tim wrote:

No Vic, I've never boated in the winter, even though I know some real
die-hards who feesh out of a boat as long as the water isn''t frozen
over.
Like me. I've been known to go fishing on Webster Lake with skim ice
the day before Christmas.

This summer I chartered with a guide on Lake Murray and he told me he
had a charter once in late January. Temperature was 17 or so and
winds were upwards of 20. He called the client and kinda gave a hint
that it might be better to wait a couple of days before until the
weather got warmer and the client said "What the hell kind of guide
are you?".

ROTFL!!

Turns out the two guys were from Alaska.
Tom, put on your boat knowledge hat for a minute. I'm being offered a Key
West, 18', CC, with the Yamaha 4stroke 150 HP and aluminum trailer for
about $28K.

A Scout, with the same engine, etc, would run about $4-5K more. Are they
worth it?
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

John H
Check the price with the 115 before you buy.

Dan

With the 115 it's about $3500 cheaper according to the salesman.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

John H

Damn, I wouldn't have guessed that much of a difference. See if you can
sea trial one with the 115. I'm happy with the performance on my 19'6" CC.

Dan

Yo Tim!
 

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 18:48:43 -0400, Dan intrceptor@gmaildotcom wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 10:28:41 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:37:01 -0700, Tim wrote:

No Vic, I've never boated in the winter, even though I know some real
die-hards who feesh out of a boat as long as the water isn''t frozen
over.
Like me. I've been known to go fishing on Webster Lake with skim ice
the day before Christmas.

This summer I chartered with a guide on Lake Murray and he told me he
had a charter once in late January. Temperature was 17 or so and
winds were upwards of 20. He called the client and kinda gave a hint
that it might be better to wait a couple of days before until the
weather got warmer and the client said "What the hell kind of guide
are you?".

ROTFL!!

Turns out the two guys were from Alaska.

Tom, put on your boat knowledge hat for a minute. I'm being offered a Key
West, 18', CC, with the Yamaha 4stroke 150 HP and aluminum trailer for
about $28K.

A Scout, with the same engine, etc, would run about $4-5K more. Are they
worth it?
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

John H

Check the price with the 115 before you buy.

Dan

With the 115 it's about $3500 cheaper according to the salesman.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

John H

Yo Tim!
 

On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 01:24:40 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 21:04:43 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 12:15:36 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 07:30:50 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Tom, put on your boat knowledge hat for a minute. I'm being offered a Key
West, 18', CC, with the Yamaha 4stroke 150 HP and aluminum trailer for
about $28K.

A Scout, with the same engine, etc, would run about $4-5K more. Are they
worth it?

I prefer the Scout over the Key West in that size boat. Very similar
to my Ranger in terms of fit and finish, it's fairly well thought out
for a smallish CC and the general build quality is better. Which is
not to say that Key West boats are junk - they aren't. In my opinion,
Scout pays a little more attention to little things. And I'll be the
first person to admit that I can be very picky.

In terms of specs, they are almost identical. Minor changes in
deadrise and draft, weights are similar and performance figures per
Yamaha are identical. Nice wide beam on both boats. Layout is
similar with a slight advantage to the Key West in storage and access
to storage.

Styling, I like the Key West over the Scout. Performance, I'd have to
give it to the Scout if only because of the bracket system they use
for the outboard which effectively adds 6 inches in length which
improves performance given the same engines.

My personal experience with Scout is a friends 205 CC which is a very
nice boat. Personal experience with a Key West was 196 Bay boat which
had some features I liked, but I was turned off by some things that
others would consider minor or non-issues. Like I said, I can be
picky.

So, given that, it's your decision. If you want similar performance,
proven quality and pay less, it's Key West. Not a bad choice.

On the other hand, pay more, a slightly better quality boat (in my
opinion), similar performance and pay more, it's Scout. Also not a
bad choice.

For the record, I still think, dollar-for-dollar, Polar is the best
boat out there in this size center console.

And now, I'm going to detail my Ranger and maybe fit in the
Princecraft in between mowing/trimming three lawns.

WHOO HOO!!

Wow. Thanks much. You've given me a lot to consider. The Scout guy is
working up the numbers over the next couple days, but he hasn't seen the
Proline yet. Also, I've not seen the Key West, other than in pictures.
Within the next couple weeks I'll know more. I sure appreciate your
thoughts. Thanks again.

What ever you do, don't buy a Proline in this class CC. No space,
zero storage and no room to speak of.

Major league mistake.

No, I've got a Proline, and it's been a fine boat, but there are some
design things I don't like. Of course, they've probably changed some over
the past ten years.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

John H