Yo Tim!
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 07:30:50 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Tom, put on your boat knowledge hat for a minute. I'm being offered a Key
West, 18', CC, with the Yamaha 4stroke 150 HP and aluminum trailer for
about $28K.

A Scout, with the same engine, etc, would run about $4-5K more. Are they
worth it?

I prefer the Scout over the Key West in that size boat. Very similar
to my Ranger in terms of fit and finish, it's fairly well thought out
for a smallish CC and the general build quality is better. Which is
not to say that Key West boats are junk - they aren't. In my opinion,
Scout pays a little more attention to little things. And I'll be the
first person to admit that I can be very picky.

In terms of specs, they are almost identical. Minor changes in
deadrise and draft, weights are similar and performance figures per
Yamaha are identical. Nice wide beam on both boats. Layout is
similar with a slight advantage to the Key West in storage and access
to storage.

Styling, I like the Key West over the Scout. Performance, I'd have to
give it to the Scout if only because of the bracket system they use
for the outboard which effectively adds 6 inches in length which
improves performance given the same engines.

My personal experience with Scout is a friends 205 CC which is a very
nice boat. Personal experience with a Key West was 196 Bay boat which
had some features I liked, but I was turned off by some things that
others would consider minor or non-issues. Like I said, I can be
picky.

So, given that, it's your decision. If you want similar performance,
proven quality and pay less, it's Key West. Not a bad choice.

On the other hand, pay more, a slightly better quality boat (in my
opinion), similar performance and pay more, it's Scout. Also not a
bad choice.

For the record, I still think, dollar-for-dollar, Polar is the best
boat out there in this size center console.

And now, I'm going to detail my Ranger and maybe fit in the
Princecraft in between mowing/trimming three lawns.

WHOO HOO!!

Good idea... I'd love to see that Princecraft shiny as a new toonie!

Yo Tim!
 

On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:47:21 -0700, Tim wrote:


Vic, you still have plans to move to FL? Did you decide on a boat
yet?

In early Oct the wife and I are going down to Punta Gorda to stay with
my Dad for a week, then a week on the beach at St. Pete.
I'm hoping to make a little progress. As much as I've worked the
bait, so far my wife has shown no inclination to stick her head out
from under the ledge and take it. The "ledge" is our house, garden,
and our kids nearby.
My Dad is looking smarter all the time, and without suggesting his
purpose, has been pushing us to spend a day or two with a step-sister
and her husband in their home a bit north of Tampa on the way down.
They're close to a river which goes to the gulf, and gulf itself is
about an hour drive. They live in a "traditional" house like ours,
in a non-tourist type setting, unlike what we usually see when we
visit Florida. I'm going to try to work that out, and I'm also going
to put some horticultural type visits on our agenda to satisfy
her green thumb appetite. In other words, I'm going to use all my
fishing skills to select structure, bait and tackle to get her hooked.
But she may not bite.
An alternate I might look into is renting out my home here and renting
a home in Florida for a year as a sort of trial. Luckily I'm in a
good location here, and that should be a net gainer for us, but I
haven't looked into it closely, so I'm not sure.
Anyway it's all a bit complicated, aggravated by the fact my wife is
17 years younger than me and her job provides our health insurance.
I'm not wealthy, seven kids, some not yet established , blah, blah.
Maybe too much info, but there it is.
Boats. After months of web research, the only boats that interest me
are the Carolina Skiff and Mac 26X/M. I want shallow draft and
economy. New, a 24' CS fairly tricked out and with a 115hp is around
25k. The 26X/M new or a few years old decently equipped and with a
50hp is 25-30k.
I've been haunting the CS and Mac forums for a year now.
Both boats have shallow draft and good gas economy.
The CS is the better fishing boat and the 115hp pushes it to 40mph if
you need that speed. It'll float in a foot of water.
The Mac sits a little deeper, maybe 18", has sails and you can live in
it for short periods of time, allowing wider excursions than the
skiff.
As others have said, and Chuck said it quite well, it doesn't sail as
well as a sailboat, or power as well as a powerboat, but it powers
better than any sailboat, and sails better than any powerboat.
And despite it's reputation as a light duty sailer, if I got caught in
big waves, better the Mac than a skiff. A pounding is better than a
dunking any day.
Given what I want a boat for, it might work.
Now this is all just talk, and I have so little experience in boat
handling you might as well call it "none."
There are a number of guys where I'm going in Florida running fishing
charters on CS 24's and I'm going to take one (or more (-:) when I get
down there, and also look at some new and old sailboats.
Of course I'll do some brain-picking down there.
So it's all baby-stepping for now.
Hope I didn't bore you with all this crap, but I find it helps me
formulate plans when I write it out. One thing for sure, getting my
butt near where I want to boat is going to be a lot harder than
selecting a boat.

--Vic

Yo Tim!
 

On Sep 1, 10:30 am, Vic Smith wrote:

As others have said, and Chuck said it quite well, it doesn't sail as
well as a sailboat, or power as well as a powerboat, but it powers
better than any sailboat, and sails better than any powerboat.

Thats what I always thought of the Chevy El Camino and the Ford
Ranchero.. They're both cool in their own way, but neither was a good
ar, nor a good truck.

And despite it's reputation as a light duty sailer, if I got caught in
big waves, better the Mac than a skiff. A pounding is better than a
dunking any day.

True. a skiff is wide open territory for storms and waves. at least a
sail, or semi-sail boat can slice its way though and you can lock it
down if need be.



Given what I want a boat for, it might work.
Now this is all just talk, and I have so little experience in boat
handling you might as well call it "none."

TOM, WAYN B, DON WHITE.. HEY! WE NEED SOME HELP HERE!!!!

There are a number of guys where I'm going in Florida running fishing
charters on CS 24's and I'm going to take one (or more (-:) when I get
down there, and also look at some new and old sailboats.
Of course I'll do some brain-picking down there.
So it's all baby-stepping for now.

Ask questions till they're sick of you. Great, up-front knowledge
there.


Hope I didn't bore you with all this crap, but I find it helps me
formulate plans when I write it out. One thing for sure, getting my
butt near where I want to boat is going to be a lot harder than
selecting a boat.

--Vic

Didn't bore me at all, Vic. Thanks for sharing. And eventually,I hope
all works out well between you and the mrs.

Yo Tim!
 

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 08:30:57 -0400, HK wrote:

Once you get the wax-on, wax-off down straight, pop on down here and
I'll let you wax a real quality boat with three piece construction

Well gee. If I had know you were interested in that sort of thing, I
would have allowed you to help me do a real quality boat of two piece
construction.

Yo Tim!
 

"Tim" wrote in message
ps.com...
On Sep 1, 10:30 am, Vic Smith wrote:

As others have said, and Chuck said it quite well, it doesn't sail as
well as a sailboat, or power as well as a powerboat, but it powers
better than any sailboat, and sails better than any powerboat.

Thats what I always thought of the Chevy El Camino and the Ford
Ranchero.. They're both cool in their own way, but neither was a good
ar, nor a good truck.

And despite it's reputation as a light duty sailer, if I got caught in
big waves, better the Mac than a skiff. A pounding is better than a
dunking any day.

True. a skiff is wide open territory for storms and waves. at least a
sail, or semi-sail boat can slice its way though and you can lock it
down if need be.



Given what I want a boat for, it might work.
Now this is all just talk, and I have so little experience in boat
handling you might as well call it "none."

TOM, WAYN B, DON WHITE.. HEY! WE NEED SOME HELP HERE!!!!

There are a number of guys where I'm going in Florida running fishing
charters on CS 24's and I'm going to take one (or more (-:) when I get
down there, and also look at some new and old sailboats.
Of course I'll do some brain-picking down there.
So it's all baby-stepping for now.

Ask questions till they're sick of you. Great, up-front knowledge
there.


Hope I didn't bore you with all this crap, but I find it helps me
formulate plans when I write it out. One thing for sure, getting my
butt near where I want to boat is going to be a lot harder than
selecting a boat.

--Vic

Didn't bore me at all, Vic. Thanks for sharing. And eventually,I hope
all works out well between you and the mrs.


I've never sailed on a Mac...and I don't see very many around here so
anything I know is the usual stuff you hear on newsgroups.
Like a lot of 'sailors', I would have turned my nose up at them...but look
at me now.. sailboat sold and getting ready to purchase a small boat with an
infernal combustion engine. I guess if I felt interested I'd have to
spend some serious time on the boat and get a feel for how it is under sail.

Yo Tim!
 

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 10:28:41 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:37:01 -0700, Tim wrote:

No Vic, I've never boated in the winter, even though I know some real
die-hards who feesh out of a boat as long as the water isn''t frozen
over.
Like me. I've been known to go fishing on Webster Lake with skim ice
the day before Christmas.

This summer I chartered with a guide on Lake Murray and he told me he
had a charter once in late January. Temperature was 17 or so and
winds were upwards of 20. He called the client and kinda gave a hint
that it might be better to wait a couple of days before until the
weather got warmer and the client said "What the hell kind of guide
are you?".

ROTFL!!

Turns out the two guys were from Alaska.

Tom, put on your boat knowledge hat for a minute. I'm being offered a Key
West, 18', CC, with the Yamaha 4stroke 150 HP and aluminum trailer for
about $28K.

A Scout, with the same engine, etc, would run about $4-5K more. Are they
worth it?
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

John H

Check the price with the 115 before you buy.

Dan

Yo Tim!
 

HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 07:30:50 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Tom, put on your boat knowledge hat for a minute. I'm being offered a
Key
West, 18', CC, with the Yamaha 4stroke 150 HP and aluminum trailer for
about $28K.
A Scout, with the same engine, etc, would run about $4-5K more. Are they
worth it?

I prefer the Scout over the Key West in that size boat. Very similar
to my Ranger in terms of fit and finish, it's fairly well thought out
for a smallish CC an

And now, I'm going to detail my Ranger and maybe fit in the
Princecraft in between mowing/trimming three lawns.

WHOO HOO!!


Once you get the wax-on, wax-off down straight, pop on down here and
I'll let you wax a real quality boat with three piece construction, and
a quiet, fuel-efficient outdoor motor. I don't know or care where
Herring is going to use his new boat, but I do wonder why he needs 150
hp on a 1500-pound boat. Seems to me a 115 hp Yamaha would be a better bet.

My boat project for this morning is getting the damned Maryland
temporary registration stickers off the boat so I can affix the
permanent ones. These temp stickers must have some sort of superglue on
the back, because, unlike all the other stickers I have encountered,
they have resisted the storebrand un-stick-um goop. My heatgun burned
itself up three years ago. Grrrrrrrrrr.

*Then* I get to mows the lawn.



Thanks for your post, Harry. I'm sure that the people who read it
wouldn't have enjoyed their 3-day weekend as much without your amazing
insight.

Dan

Yo Tim!
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 08:30:57 -0400, HK wrote:

Once you get the wax-on, wax-off down straight, pop on down here and
I'll let you wax a real quality boat with three piece construction

Well gee. If I had know you were interested in that sort of thing, I
would have allowed you to help me do a real quality boat of two piece
construction.


You wouldn't want one...there's nothing but foam between those thin
layers of fiberglass. :}

Yo Tim!
 

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 19:37:05 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 08:30:57 -0400, HK wrote:

Once you get the wax-on, wax-off down straight, pop on down here and
I'll let you wax a real quality boat with three piece construction

Well gee. If I had know you were interested in that sort of thing, I
would have allowed you to help me do a real quality boat of two piece
construction.

You wouldn't want one...there's nothing but foam between those thin
layers of fiberglass. :}

I'll bet dollars to donuts that I have more fiberglass on my boat than
you do.

Yo Tim!
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 19:37:05 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 08:30:57 -0400, HK wrote:

Once you get the wax-on, wax-off down straight, pop on down here and
I'll let you wax a real quality boat with three piece construction
Well gee. If I had know you were interested in that sort of thing, I
would have allowed you to help me do a real quality boat of two piece
construction.
You wouldn't want one...there's nothing but foam between those thin
layers of fiberglass. :}

I'll bet dollars to donuts that I have more fiberglass on my boat than
you do.


Maybe more *thin* fiberglass :| Keep in mind that my three piece hull
is linerless. There's the hull, there's a small front deck and gunnels
that are through-bolted to the hull, and there's a deck glassed to the
stringers and the hull.

My 21' Parker weighs about 3000 pounds, sans engine, and most of that is
glass and glass resin. I forgot what you had, other than it is a Ranger
salt water bay boat. What does it weigh, sans engine, batteries and
gear? I'd bet maybe 1000 pounds less.