*Another* GOP Pol 'Outed'
 

Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:30:36 -0400, HK wrote:
In a statement issued today, Craig sys he was not involved in any
inappropriate conduct.

Craig, who is up for re-election next year, says at the time of the
incident he complained to police that - quote - "they were misconstruing
my actions."

Sorry Harry. Turns out when you learn what really happened, Craig is
right.
1. Peering into the crack between the door and jamb of the stall.
(Maybe some stall doors swing shut in that bathroom, and have no locks
or inoperative locks. You have to either look in the crack or barge
in to see if it's occupied. Or bend down and look under the door for
feet. Been in similar situations myself.)
2. Foot touching the foot of the person in the adjacent stall.
(Craig said he has a wide stance when squatting. Sounds perfectly
reasonable. Remember Johnny Bench?)
3. Reaching under the divider and into the adjacent stall.
(Craig said he dropped a piece of paper. Can happen to anybody.)

So there you are. The man is innocent and probably the victim of a
smear campaign, or an overly aggressive cop wanting to pad his stats.
BTW, did you know that in 1421 the Chinese circumnavigated the world
in huge ships, mapped the Americas and established the Apache tribe in
Arizona? Happened right after the Vikings went home.
Anyway, I hope you show proper contrition about what you said
concerning Craig.

--Vic


Hey...I don't don't care who the guy wants to entertain. The only point
of interest is that it is yet another example of "conservative
republican family values."

*Another* GOP Pol 'Outed'
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:21:03 -0400, HK wrote:


It's interesting when a Republican is outed because Republicans make
such an issue of what they believe to be "morality."

True - and they are held accountable for their lapses.


Nothing to do with gays or "morality", but my daughter-in-law emailed this
to me this morning. Makes you realize where we are headed as a society as
we allow more and more government regulation of our lives:

----------------------------------------------------------

TO ALL THE KIDS WHO SURVIVED the 1930's, 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's!!

First, we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank while they
were pregnant.



They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a can, and didn't get
tested for diabetes.

Then after that trauma, we were put to sleep on our tummies in baby cribs
covered with bright colored lead-based paints.

We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets and when we
rode our bikes, we had no helmets, not to mention, the risks we took
hitchhiking .

As infants & children, we would ride in cars with no car seats, booster
seats, seat belts or air bags.

Riding in the back of a pick up on a warm day was always a special treat.

We drank water from the garden hose and NOT from a bottle.

We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and NO ONE
actually died from this.

We ate cupcakes, white bread and real butter and drank Kool-aid made with
sugar, but we weren't overweight because, WE WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAYING!


We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back
when the streetlights came on.

No one was able to reach us all day. And we were O.K.

We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then ride down
the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. After running into the
bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem.

We did not have Playstations, Nintendo's, X-boxes, no video games at all, no
150 channels on cable, no video movies or DVD's, no surround-sound or CD's,
no cell phones, no personal computers, no Internet or chat rooms.......
WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them!

We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there were no
lawsuits from these accidents.

We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did not live in us
forever.

We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays, made up games with sticks and
tennis balls and, although we were told it would happen, we did not put out
very many eyes.

We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door or rang
the bell, or just walked in and talked to the m!

Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those who didn't
had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!!

The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of.
They actually sided with the law!

These generations have produced some of the best risk-takers, problem
solvers and inventors ever!

The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas. We
had freedom, failure, success and responsibility , and we learned HOW TO
DEAL WITH IT ALL!

If YOU are one of them...CONGRATULATIONS!

You might want to share this with others who have had the luck to grow up as
kids, before the lawyers and the government regulated so much of our lives
for our own good.
While you are at it, forward it to your kids so they will know how brave
(and lucky) their parents were.



------------------------------------------------------------



Eisboch

*Another* GOP Pol 'Outed'
 

On Aug 28, 6:27 am, HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:30:36 -0400, HK wrote:
In a statement issued today, Craig sys he was not involved in any
inappropriate conduct.

Craig, who is up for re-election next year, says at the time of the
incident he complained to police that - quote - "they were misconstruing
my actions."

Sorry Harry. Turns out when you learn what really happened, Craig is
right.
1. Peering into the crack between the door and jamb of the stall.
(Maybe some stall doors swing shut in that bathroom, and have no locks
or inoperative locks. You have to either look in the crack or barge
in to see if it's occupied. Or bend down and look under the door for
feet. Been in similar situations myself.)
2. Foot touching the foot of the person in the adjacent stall.
(Craig said he has a wide stance when squatting. Sounds perfectly
reasonable. Remember Johnny Bench?)
3. Reaching under the divider and into the adjacent stall.
(Craig said he dropped a piece of paper. Can happen to anybody.)

So there you are. The man is innocent and probably the victim of a
smear campaign, or an overly aggressive cop wanting to pad his stats.
BTW, did you know that in 1421 the Chinese circumnavigated the world
in huge ships, mapped the Americas and established the Apache tribe in
Arizona? Happened right after the Vikings went home.
Anyway, I hope you show proper contrition about what you said
concerning Craig.

--Vic

Hey...I don't don't care who the guy wants to entertain. The only point
of interest is that it is yet another example of "conservative
republican family values."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That is just your lie. We talk no more of family values than Hillary
or Obama. Of course maybe you mean, we mean it, dems just use it as an
election tool depending on which special interest they are addressing.
I just don't see how anyone can watch Hillary with her adjusted
accents and views and not even question. That is what we call bought
and paid for. I for instance am probably much more accepting of
different lifestyles, "because" I am a christian and a libretarian,
mostly though of as being right of center, not in spite of my core.

*Another* GOP Pol 'Outed'
 

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 06:27:12 -0400, HK wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:30:36 -0400, HK wrote:
In a statement issued today, Craig sys he was not involved in any
inappropriate conduct.

Craig, who is up for re-election next year, says at the time of the
incident he complained to police that - quote - "they were misconstruing
my actions."

Sorry Harry. Turns out when you learn what really happened, Craig is
right.
1. Peering into the crack between the door and jamb of the stall.
(Maybe some stall doors swing shut in that bathroom, and have no locks
or inoperative locks. You have to either look in the crack or barge
in to see if it's occupied. Or bend down and look under the door for
feet. Been in similar situations myself.)
2. Foot touching the foot of the person in the adjacent stall.
(Craig said he has a wide stance when squatting. Sounds perfectly
reasonable. Remember Johnny Bench?)
3. Reaching under the divider and into the adjacent stall.
(Craig said he dropped a piece of paper. Can happen to anybody.)

So there you are. The man is innocent and probably the victim of a
smear campaign, or an overly aggressive cop wanting to pad his stats.
BTW, did you know that in 1421 the Chinese circumnavigated the world
in huge ships, mapped the Americas and established the Apache tribe in
Arizona? Happened right after the Vikings went home.
Anyway, I hope you show proper contrition about what you said
concerning Craig.

--Vic


Hey...I don't don't care who the guy wants to entertain. The only point
of interest is that it is yet another example of "conservative
republican family values."

Looks like I spoke too soon. Everybody else is saying the guy is
"gay."
Well, I tried to defend him. Even invoked Johnny Bench.
It's just not working.

--Vic

*Another* GOP Pol 'Outed'
 

*Another* GOP Pol 'Outed'
 

On Aug 28, 9:11 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Aug 28, 6:27 am, HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:30:36 -0400, HK wrote:
In a statement issued today, Craig sys he was not involved in any
inappropriate conduct.
Craig, who is up for re-election next year, says at the time of the
incident he complained to police that - quote - "they were misconstruing
my actions."
Sorry Harry. Turns out when you learn what really happened, Craig is
right.
1. Peering into the crack between the door and jamb of the stall.
(Maybe some stall doors swing shut in that bathroom, and have no locks
or inoperative locks. You have to either look in the crack or barge
in to see if it's occupied. Or bend down and look under the door for
feet. Been in similar situations myself.)
2. Foot touching the foot of the person in the adjacent stall.
(Craig said he has a wide stance when squatting. Sounds perfectly
reasonable. Remember Johnny Bench?)
3. Reaching under the divider and into the adjacent stall.
(Craig said he dropped a piece of paper. Can happen to anybody.)
So there you are. The man is innocent and probably the victim of a
smear campaign, or an overly aggressive cop wanting to pad his stats.
BTW, did you know that in 1421 the Chinese circumnavigated the world
in huge ships, mapped the Americas and established the Apache tribe in
Arizona? Happened right after the Vikings went home.
Anyway, I hope you show proper contrition about what you said
concerning Craig.
--Vic
Hey...I don't don't care who the guy wants to entertain. The only point
of interest is that it is yet another example of "conservative
republican family values."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That is just your lie. We talk no more of family values than Hillary
or Obama. Of course maybe you mean, we mean it, dems just use it as an
election tool depending on which special interest they are addressing.
I just don't see how anyone can watch Hillary with her adjusted
accents and views and not even question. That is what we call bought
and paid for. I for instance am probably much more accepting of
different lifestyles, "because" I am a christian and a libretarian,
mostly though of as being right of center, not in spite of my core.

Larry Craig has been outspoken in opposition to gay rights issues, and
he is a "favorite" of crazy right-wing organizations, such as the
"Family Research Council."



Now it starts coming together, the guy was set up and handled it
wrong. The problem with democratic activists and paid operatives, (and
some parker captains) is they have no problem lying or cheating to get
to where they need to be, so which one was the cop, activist, or
bought and paid for? Of course, there is also the blackmail option, I
would like to know if Hillary had his FBI files in her office.

*Another* GOP Pol 'Outed'
 

*Another* GOP Pol 'Outed'
 

The problem with the Dead Kennedys is there ain't enough of 'em.

Yeesh, you can't drive, ski or even fly with them without risking bodily
harm.

They can't cremate Teddy, his body would keep burning for too long from
being gin-soaked all these decades.

*Another* GOP Pol 'Outed'
 

On Aug 28, 9:41 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
Larry Craig has been outspoken in opposition to gay rights issues, and
he is a "favorite" of crazy right-wing organizations, such as the
"Family Research Council."

Now it starts coming together, the guy was set up and handled it
wrong. The problem with democratic activists and paid operatives, (and
some parker captains) is they have no problem lying or cheating to get
to where they need to be, so which one was the cop, activist, or
bought and paid for? Of course, there is also the blackmail option, I
would like to know if Hillary had his FBI files in her office.

Set up? Apparently Senator Craig entered a men's room known to be
frequented by those looking for gay encounters, and "signaled" a cop in
the next stall. He admitted this, and entered a plea. Are you saying
that everyone knew Craig was going to that men's room for a "date," and
they were waiting for him? :}

Man, you need to cut back on whatever psychotropics you are taking.

Oh, and once again, I don't care who Senator Craig diddles. It's only of
interest to me because he is yet another example of a
right-wing-extremist sexual hypocrite.

Apparently he plead to lewd conduct, not the events as you describe
them, in fact he has stated his side of the story and it's nothing
like you said. But you just keep making up facts as you go along, your
comrades don't mind a little dishonesty when it comes to politics.
Again, no moral core, just power. Like I said in another post. I have
heard two top dems (Schumer and Lannie Davis) both in the last 24
hours admit Gonzales was a good AG, they just did not like his
politics, period. That is not democracy, that is not American.

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