"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Nice boat...have you seen the zodiac projet 350?

I just looked at them ... but I am not a big inflatable fan. Plus, I really
like the idea of a quiet, 4 stroke rather than an oil burning, noisy 2
stroke. I've been acoustically observing all the different outboards this
summer when I am docked at the slip from my vantage point on the bow of the
GB. The new, big 2 stroke Mercs and ETECs are certainly quieter than their
older technology predecessors, but nothing beats the 4 stroke Yamahas, Mercs
and Suzuki's in terms of being quiet. The 2 stroke Mercs and ETECs sound
..... weird. I think the Yamaha 4 strokes are the quietest.

I am curious as to the manufacturer of the little Merc 40, four stroke. It
must be a rebadged something.

Eisboch

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Nice boat...have you seen the zodiac projet 350?

I just looked at them ... but I am not a big inflatable fan. Plus, I
really like the idea of a quiet, 4 stroke rather than an oil burning,
noisy 2 stroke. I've been acoustically observing all the different
outboards this summer when I am docked at the slip from my vantage point
on the bow of the GB. The new, big 2 stroke Mercs and ETECs are
certainly quieter than their older technology predecessors, but nothing
beats the 4 stroke Yamahas, Mercs and Suzuki's in terms of being quiet.
The 2 stroke Mercs and ETECs sound .... weird. I think the Yamaha 4
strokes are the quietest.

I am curious as to the manufacturer of the little Merc 40, four stroke.
It must be a rebadged something.

Eisboch

I seem to recall hearing that 40 ~ 60 HP four strokes were co-developed with
Yamaha and manufactured by Merc. Also, they are going to the new Merc
factory in China!

"D.Duck" wrote in message
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I seem to recall hearing that 40 ~ 60 HP four strokes were co-developed
with Yamaha and manufactured by Merc. Also, they are going to the new
Merc factory in China!


Oh no!

Lead in the paint.

Harry Krause wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message
...

I seem to recall hearing that 40 ~ 60 HP four strokes were
co-developed with Yamaha and manufactured by Merc. Also, they are
going to the new Merc factory in China!


Oh no!

Lead in the paint.




Ah, corporate think. Fire 1000 American workers making a semi-decent
living so you can give the work to 10000 Chinese workers making five
cents an hour.

And, the union pension funds will still invest in that US company
because it return will increase the union guys retirement.

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:38:41 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

I've seen several of the new Boston Whaler 13' "Sport" boats around
with the Merc 40 hp 4 stroke and it kinda has caught my attention for
limited, harbor only use. And, oh-my-god, it has an *open* transom!

That's to let the water out... :-)

The magic of level flotation at work.

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:30:13 -0400, trainfan1
wrote:

Steve wrote:
On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 06:53:22 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"FishWisher" wrote in message
oups.com...
I think 20 years of producing the same model of my 22' C-Dory must
rank up there pretty high. Just wondering... anyone know of a longer
production run for a recreational power boat?

Dale
www.FishWisher.com

How about 37 years (or thereabouts)?

I know they're not powerboats but ... The Hobie Cat 14 started
production in 1968 and the Hobie Cat 16 in 1969. Both models are
still in production today, though the 14 only by Hobie Europe. Over
108,000 Hobie 16's have been built.

Steve

That pales in comparison to the Sunfish (1952 to current), if you're
throwing sailboats into the mix.

They eclipsed the 500,000 number several years ago.

Ugh, I guess I blocked the Sunfish from my mind after a horrible
experience sailing one. If you're going to go the cheap, small
sailing dingy route I'd much rather have something like a Laser, even
though there's only about 190,000 of them around.

I did look up Sunfish on wiki and it said they had a major change in
the design (changed the rudder attachment) in 1973. So the current
Sunfish design is not as old as the Hobie 14 or 16.

Steve

Steve wrote:
a major change in
the design (changed the rudder attachment) in 1973. So the current
Sunfish design is not as old as the Hobie 14 or 16.

I'm not so sure improving one piece of hardware should be considered
"major". The hull is the same, the rudder is the same, as well as the
sail, centerboard, and rigging. The Class Association still lets them
all race against each other no matter the age. The change just
prevents the rudder from kicking up so easily, IIRC. Hobie has made a
number of improvements on their boats as well. Nothing major, just
minor little changes. I think practically all boats have done that.

Rick

Steve wrote:


...I did look up Sunfish on wiki and it said they had a major change in
the design (changed the rudder attachment) in 1973. So the current
Sunfish design is not as old as the Hobie 14 or 16.

Steve

Changing the brass escutcheons & hardware on the rudder to stainless
hardware is hardly a major difference. The part that touches the water
is the same. The hull drain plugs were changed from brass to plated at
that time too.

A more significant change I would say was the addition of the cockpit
storage and the change from a cast bailer venturi to plastic. It still
didn't change the boat at all.

The hull now has a rolled sealed edge instead of the old chrome lip trim
at the seam. Still the same boat.

Rob

D.Duck wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


Nice boat...have you seen the zodiac projet 350?

I just looked at them ... but I am not a big inflatable fan. Plus, I
really like the idea of a quiet, 4 stroke rather than an oil burning,
noisy 2 stroke. I've been acoustically observing all the different
outboards this summer when I am docked at the slip from my vantage point
on the bow of the GB. The new, big 2 stroke Mercs and ETECs are
certainly quieter than their older technology predecessors, but nothing
beats the 4 stroke Yamahas, Mercs and Suzuki's in terms of being quiet.
The 2 stroke Mercs and ETECs sound .... weird. I think the Yamaha 4
strokes are the quietest.

I am curious as to the manufacturer of the little Merc 40, four stroke.
It must be a rebadged something.

Eisboch


I seem to recall hearing that 40 ~ 60 HP four strokes were co-developed with
Yamaha and manufactured by Merc. Also, they are going to the new Merc
factory in China!



I have a 60 four stroke merc thats two years old on a pontoon boat. I do
not beleive it was co-developed. I beleive merc had a contract with
Yamaha to supply powerheads that they installed on merc legs. At one
time Yamaha tried to get out of it. But the courts said they had to
honor their agreement.

But that time was up either this or last year.

Capt Jack R..