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On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:42:41 -0400, HK wrote:

Don White wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
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How's your mom, Don? Haven't heard much about her lately.
--
John H

John.. this is a boating newsgroup.
People don't come here to hear about my mother.
She is doing fine by the way...still waiting for her nursing home bed.

You want Herring to talk about the last time he was out fishing on his
boat?

This past spring, Harry.
--
John H

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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 05:54:24 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 23:49:38 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:03:36 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

LOL, Harry you sure seem to be hung up on this transom thing.

You noticed that also. Methinks he is a mite sensitive perhaps.

You might think that. I tend to think that Harry just enjoys kicking
ass. Pretty funny seeing him tossing around a ten-man tag team
by his lonesome.

Do not confuse name calling and dancing around an important issue with
"kicking butt".

Harry's boating with Cleopatra: Right in d' Nile.

Whenever you see clouds of smoke there's fire somewhere.

Oh, I'm learning a bit about transom cutouts, following seas, ocean
drift fishing, crab pot entanglement, etc. That's good, but I've read
about many sinkings in countless accident reports.
Transom cutouts were never raised as the root cause of any accident
to the best of my recollection.
But some here decided to climb into the ring with Harry, wearing
transom cutout jock straps.
All I see is Harry tossing them over the ropes. Too funny.
Now I'm open-minded about it. When I first saw how close to the water
that Parker cutout is, it raised my inexperienced eyebrows.
I have almost swamped low transom boats when backing in lakes, but
have zilch experience with small boats in "heavy" seas.
I thought Harry's answers about it were well-reasoned, and Tom didn't
see it as a safety issue either. My impression is that Tom and Harry
have extensive experience with and knowledge about this type of boat,
and the waters it's suitable for.
You posted a link to where some kids got in trouble and sank grand
dad's boat. I didn't see anything in that article about the transom,
the real cause of the sinking, or what model boat it was. From the
story, the kid might have just failed to put in the drain plug.
I did see that the kid attempted to get it moving to self-bail.
Just guessing here, but from what Harry has said deep transom cutouts
may have made that attempt successful if the boat had one.
So who's blowing smoke?
Did the boat-sinking you posted a link to have anything to do with a
deep transom cutout?
Me, I'm just a curious spectator. Pass the popcorn.

--Vic

You are absolutely correct to believe everything Harry has to say. His
integrity is unquestionable. Ask him about his lobster boat.
--
John H

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Around 8/17/2007 3:54 AM, Vic Smith wrote:

Oh, I'm learning a bit about transom cutouts, following seas, ocean
drift fishing, crab pot entanglement, etc. That's good, but I've read
about many sinkings in countless accident reports.
Transom cutouts were never raised as the root cause of any accident
to the best of my recollection.
But some here decided to climb into the ring with Harry, wearing
transom cutout jock straps.
All I see is Harry tossing them over the ropes. Too funny.

Hmm... It is all rather entertaining, and at the very least it's on
topic. :)

Now I'm open-minded about it. When I first saw how close to the water
that Parker cutout is, it raised my inexperienced eyebrows.
I have almost swamped low transom boats when backing in lakes, but
have zilch experience with small boats in "heavy" seas.

It is NOT something to be done lightly or without experience, but it IS
possible to run in heavy seas with very little freeboard, a low transom,
and an inadequate splashwell. I do NOT recommend it unless you know
_exactly_ what you're doing, and have lots of luck.

Been there, unintentionally done that, didn't have fun (when they say
small craft warning, they mean something a *little* larger than
Blue-Boat!), and now unless it's an emergency I will stay in port if the
winds are even hinting that they might be higher than the length of my boat.

Me, I'm just a curious spectator. Pass the popcorn.

Seconded! Do we have any salt or melted butter to go with that? :)

--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats." -- Kenneth Grahame
~~ Ventis secundis, tene cursum ~~

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:14:17 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

LOL, Harry you sure seem to be hung up on this transom thing.

You noticed that also. Methinks he is a mite sensitive perhaps.

Not to worry though, Harry has told us many times how experienced he
is and there's no reason to doubt it that I know of.

http://www.newsargus.com/news/archiv...escued_at_sea/

My comments on this transom thing is based on personal experience. I
swamped a small boat once, back in my teenaged years and it was on a
fresh water pond, flat as a pancake with no other influences on the boat
other than my stupid operation of it.

I was pulling a skier and she fell, but didn't immediately let go of the
tow line. I immediately made a hard turn, while pulling the throttle
back. The resultant wake wave hit the boat on the stern quarter and
filled the boat with well over a foot of water in a nanosecond. There was
no way I could move it with the engine without more water pouring over the
open transom.
The engine then quit, the boat became extremely unstable, in danger of
flipping so I slid into the water. The skier and I then swam back to the
nearby shore, slowly pulling the swamped boat with us with the tow line.

When it happens on a small boat, it happens fast.

Eisboch

This is a story that dates back to the early 60's I'd guess.

My father had a pal with a wooden lapstrake boat of around 15' to 16'. This
was a very small and tender boat by today's standards but they fished it in
the open ocean many times without incident. Returning from a fishing trip
outside of Boston Harbor they were in the Charles River about 50 feet from
shore in the vicinity of where the Hyatt Regency Hotel currently stands when
the outboard konked out. They carried tools with them and set about working
on the engine. In a chain reaction of events someone dropped a tool
overboard, someone else made a quick move to grab it, and the sudden shift
in trim caused everyone to lose their balance and fall towards the transom.
Water poured into the boat and it quickly capsized.

They swam for the river bank, pulling the capsized hull with them and found
themselves standing in waist deep water with various flotsam and jetsam from
the sinking surrounding them. At least that's how the photo that appeared in
the next day's Boston Record-American newspaper immortalized them.

Boy, would I love to have a copy of that photo today. Even if that image
were archived somewhere I wouldn't know how to begin to search for it
considering that for some strange reason they all gave the reporter false
names!

Steve P.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 04:59:31 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

When it happens on a small boat, it happens fast.

In my opinion, some of these "events' all relate to boat design. Open
transom work ok, but I'd rather have something more back there than a
hole.

I've often wondered why none of the majors in the small CC fishing
market have gone back to the tried and true center well outboards. In
my opinion, those are the safest for variety of reasons including
placing stern way on the boat for any number of reasons.

Inshore lobster men used these types of boats for years - most based
on the Swampscott Dory and/or Amesbury Dory designs. It's a clean
design, efficient, actually adds interior room and is the safest.

That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. :)

Transom design seems to be a regional item also. Rarely is a low transom /
open transom boat seen on the West Coast. We get lots of nasty wind waves
on top of 8'+ swells. Florida and the Gulf regions are a lot calmer than
the Pacific. When the
Atlantic gets nasty is mostly winter when very few boat.

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"CalifBill" wrote:
Rarely is a low transom /
open transom boat seen on the West Coast.

I'll take your word on this part.

Florida and the Gulf regions are a lot calmer than
the Pacific.

But I'll respectfully disagree with this part ;-)

Rick

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wrote in message
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"CalifBill" wrote:
Rarely is a low transom /
open transom boat seen on the West Coast.

I'll take your word on this part.

Florida and the Gulf regions are a lot calmer than
the Pacific.

But I'll respectfully disagree with this part ;-)

Rick

We have a couple of thousand miles of open ocean for the winds to come
across before they hit our coast. Plus if you get a South wind, it beats
against a current from the north.

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"CalifBill" wrote:
Florida and the Gulf regions are a lot calmer than
the Pacific.

Phantman:
But I'll respectfully disagree with this part ;-)

"CalifBill" wrote:
We have a couple of thousand miles of open ocean for the winds to come
across before they hit our coast. Plus if you get a South wind, it beats
against a current from the north.

I'm not saying the "Pacific" is as peaceful as its name implies.
Simply saying the Gulf or Atlantic can be just as challenging for a
small boat. Experienced seamen, not to mention novices, are regularly
lost on all three.

Rick

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HK wrote:
Small boats
with brackets tend to be stern heavy.

And perform better.